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This character does not establish notability. Without coverage in reliable third party sources, it is just made up of unnecessary plot summary and original research. TTN (talk) 17:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

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Delete - no indication of notability and no reliable sources. Karanacs (talk) 15:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Keep the most reliable sources about the character's life and history would be primary, which is fair enough. Now whether this character has enough coverage in reliable third party sources is the key point. I think they do, per these two searches [1] and [2]. RMHED (talk) 01:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Keep per the searches above, which are sufficient for this. DGG (talk) 17:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Can you point out which ones can be used? I don't really see any that provide anything non-trivial to help establish real world context. TTN (talk) 20:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

About half way down this article there is quite a bit of discussion [3], but mainly the character is often referenced in books about Hollywood movies and sometimes in works of fiction as a kind of Hollywood actress archetype. RMHED (talk) 22:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

So we currently have one reference that amounts to trivial coverage, maybe two if the book below actually focuses on the character rather than the film. Quick mentions in fiction can't really be used besides using one or two as examples to back up the initial point. This need enough coverage to warrant being a separate topic from the main works. Nothing has been shown that it is remotely possible yet. TTN (talk) 12:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Keep Neely is cited in The Fifty Worst Films of All Time -- the book is out of print, sadly, but there is a long chapter on "Valley of the Dolls" and the character. Ecoleetage (talk) 01:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
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-[[Image:SCAD Sidewalk Arts 02.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Street painting at 2004 Sidewalk Arts Festival.]]
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-[[Image:Street artist.jpg|right|thumbnail|250px|A street painter working in New York City.]]
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-[[Image:Street artist Centre Pompidou.jpg|right|thumbnail|250px|A street painter working outside [[Centre Pompidou]]. The painting being copied is [[Vermeer]]'s ''[[Girl with a Pearl Earring|Het meisje met de parel]]''.]]
+:({{find sources|Neely O'Hara}})
+This character does not establish [[WP:N|notability]]. Without coverage in [[WP:RS|reliable third party sources]], it is just made up of unnecessary [[WP:NOT#PLOT|plot summary]] and [[WP:OR|original research]]. [[User:TTN|TTN]] ([[User talk:TTN|talk]]) 17:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
+*<small>'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Fictional characters|list of Fictional characters-related deletion discussions]].  </small> <small>-- [[User:Fabrictramp|<font color="#960018" face="comic sans ms">Fabrictramp</font>]] | [[User talk:Fabrictramp|<font color="#960018" face="Papyrus">talk to me</font>]] 22:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)</small>
+*'''Delete''' - no indication of notability and no reliable sources. [[User:Karanacs|Karanacs]] ([[User talk:Karanacs|talk]]) 15:36, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
-'''Street painting''' is the activity of rendering artistic designs on pavement such as streets, sidewalks, and town squares with impermanent materials.
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-==Origin==
+*'''Keep''' the most reliable sources about the character's life and history would be primary, which is fair enough. Now whether this character has enough coverage in reliable third party sources is the key point. I think they do, per these two searches [http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Neely%20O'Hara&um=1&sa=N&tab=ns] and [http://books.google.com/books?tab=sp&sa=N&q=%22Neely+O%27Hara&um=1&sa=N]. [[User:RMHED|RMHED]] ([[User talk:RMHED|talk]]) 01:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' per the searches above, which are sufficient for this. '''[[User:DGG|DGG]]''' ([[User talk:DGG|talk]]) 17:56, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
-Street painting has been recorded throughout Europe since the [[16th century]]. Street painters in [[Italy]] are called ''madonnari'' (pronounced: mah-doan-are-ee with ''madonnaro'' being the singular form) because they often created pictures representing [[the Madonna]].
+:*Can you point out which ones can be used? I don't really see any that provide anything non-trivial to help establish real world context. [[User:TTN|TTN]] ([[User talk:TTN|talk]]) 20:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
+::*About half way down this article there is quite a bit of discussion [http://www.ejumpcut.org/archive/onlinessays/JC39folder/imitationLife.html], but mainly the character is often referenced in books about Hollywood movies and sometimes in works of fiction as a kind of Hollywood actress archetype. [[User:RMHED|RMHED]] ([[User talk:RMHED|talk]]) 22:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
-Historically, madonnari were itinerant artists who lived a life of travel and freedom. Aware of the festival and holy days (holidays) in each province and town, they traveled to join in the festivities. They created images in public squares and in front of the local church using bits of broken roof tiles, charcoal, and some white [[chalk]]. Passersby would often leave a bit of bread or olive oil for the artist along with an occasional coin. The artists were often commissioned to create votos and ex-votos, and after the festivities or with the first rain, both the painting and the painter would vanish.
+:::*So we currently have one reference that amounts to trivial coverage, maybe two if the book below actually focuses on the character rather than the film. Quick mentions in fiction can't really be used  besides using one or two as examples to back up the initial point. This need enough coverage to warrant being a separate topic from the main works. Nothing has been shown that it is remotely possible yet. [[User:TTN|TTN]] ([[User talk:TTN|talk]]) 12:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
+*'''Keep''' Neely is cited in [[The Fifty Worst Films of All Time]] -- the book is out of print, sadly, but there is a long chapter on "Valley of the Dolls" and the character. [[User:Ecoleetage|Ecoleetage]] ([[User talk:Ecoleetage|talk]]) 01:50, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
-For centuries madonnari were folk artists, reproducing simple images with crude materials. [[World War II]] disrupted their itinerant tradition and reduced their numbers. In 1972 the first International Street Painting Competition was held in Grazie di Curtatone, Italy.  The purpose of the competition was to record and publicize the work of those considered to be the last practitioners of this traditional art form. The oldest of the painters were already in their 90s. Over the years, the competition has drawn younger painters and larger crowds. The festival remains popular and street painting festivals around the world are modeled on the event. The 1972 festival resulted in national recognition of the validity of the art form by the Superintendent of Culture. This recognition caused a whole new generation of street painters to emerge. Within a decade these artists were using high quality commercial and handmade [[pastels]] to create copies of well known masterpieces.
+*<small>'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Film|list of Film-related deletion discussions]].  </small><small>—[[User:PC78|PC78]] ([[User talk:PC78|talk]]) 11:39, 11 October 2008 (UTC)</small>
-In 1982 [[Kurt Wenner]] an American artist, began street painting in [[Rome, Italy]] and by 1983 he had developed a new art form known as [[anamorphic]] or [[Three-dimensional space|3-dimensional]] street painting. In 1984 his unique invention was documented by [[National Geographic]] in their award winning [[film]] [["Masterpieces In Chalk"]]. In this same year he won the title of Master Street Painter at the Grazie festival and in 1985 he created the first 3-dimensional street painting in the US at the [[Santa Barbara Museum of Art]].
-In 1987, Master Street Painters Kurt Wenner and Manfred Stader introduced the art of street painting to the Old Mission Santa Barbara, California. This was the first of numerous events throughout the United States that are modeled on the Italian festival at [[Grazie di Curtatone]]. Since this early introduction both traditional and 3-dimensional street painting have spread throughout the world. The innovative appeal of 3-dimensional street art has inspired many artists such as [[Julian Beever]] and Gary Palmer.
-"A recent development in the street painting art form in the twenty first century is the use of user generated video, blogging, and podcasting of street painting artists at all levels of ability and their fans worldwide.  This new technological advance offers opportunity for all street painting, artists, festivals, and fans to allow a window not only to their latest image or festival appearance but a chance to let others know why they street paint and to encourage others – especially the younger generation of street painters to become known and grow in experience.  Reaching the public in this way allows the performance aspects of street painting to be shared with many who do not readily have the opportunity to see street painting in person" says [http://www.streetpainting.tv streetpainting.tv] and its blog [http://ispgstreetpainting.typepad.com/ 'Blog Now on streetpainting.tv] which initiated this positive direction for all street painting artists, festivals, and fans beginning in September of 2007.  An example of where you can find this new technology at work is on a new online community called the [http://www.streetpaintingsociety.com  Street Painting Society].
-One of the biggest street painting festivels in the country is the [[Youth in Arts]] [[Italian Street Painting Festival]].
-==References==
-* [http://www.kurtwenner.com/images/PDFs/BriefHistory.pdf History of street painting]
-==External links==
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-* [http://www.kurtwenner.com/street/ Kurt Wenner street painting]
-* [http://users.skynet.be/J.Beever/pave.htm Julian Beever's pavement drawings]
-* [http://www.european-street-painting.com/ Edgar Mueller and Manfred Stader - Master Streetpainter]
-* [http://www.melaniestimmell.com/ Melanie Stimmell's street painting]
-* [http://www.tracyleestum.com/portfolio/street-painting/3-d-anamorphic/ Tracy Lee Stum 3-d street painting]
-* [http://tomoteru.web.fc2.com/ Tomo's Street Painting Gallery - Tomoteru Saito]
-* [http://weburbanist.com/2007/09/21/3-amazing-3d-street-artists-urban-graffiti-from-around-the-world/ 3 Amazing 3D Graffiti Artists]
-* [http://www.thestreetpainter.com/ Lori Escalera's Street Painting]
-* [http://www.artforafterhours.com/ Rod Tryon - 3D/anamorphic street painting artist]
-* [http://www.chalkcircle.com.au/ Chalk Circle]
-* [http://www.chalkwalk.org/ Chalk Walk - in the Historic Northeast]
-* [http://www.chalkpainting.com/ Mark Cummings street painting]
-* [http://www.floridachalkartists.org/ Central Florida Chalk Artists Association]
-* [http://www.imadonnarifestival.com/ I Madonnari Festival]
-* [http://www.scottlondon.com/photo/imadonnari/ I Madonnari Festival - A Photo Essay by Scott London]
-* [http://www.ispf.nl/ International Streetpainting Festivals in The Netherlands]
-* [http://www.jayschwartz.com/ Jay Schwartz Street Painter]
-* [http://www.masseystreetpaintingfestival.com/ Massey Street Painting Festival]
-* [http://www.streetpainting.nl/ Streetpainting Concepts]
-* [http://www.streetpaintingsociety.com/ Street Painting Society]
-* [http://www.streetpainting.tv/ Streetpainting.tv - dedicated video channel and blog for all artists, festivals, & fans]
-* [http://www.tajime.com/mystreet.htm Erin Tajime Castelan street painting]
-* [http://www.kreidekunst.com/ Rudolf Jacobeit Madonnaro]
-* [http://www.muralsofbaltimore.com/ International Studio that creates various styled Streetpaintings]
-* [http://www.youthinarts.org/pages/italian.htm Youth in Arts Italian Street Painting Festival]
-* [http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/06/13/sunday/main558704.shtml Roadside Street Art]
-* [http://www.coloursofvalkenburg.nl/ Colours of Valkenburg]
-* [http://www.straattekenaar.nl/ Matthew May Streetpainting]
-* [http://www.chalklastrada.com/ Chalk La Strada - San Diego street painting festival]
-* [http://www.madonnaripugliesi.blogspot.com/ - Madonnari Pugliesi]
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-[[it:Madonnaro]]