Talk:Hulk

Re: For over forty years, the Hulk would rampage across the face of Marvel Comics, engaging in titanic slugfests and leaving total destruction in his wake. He became the ultimate personification of "brute strength" in comic books, something that not even Superman would be able to match in terms of sheer, raw power. Furthermore, since the Hulk's power can increase further as his anger escalates, he can only be defeated if he isn't given the chance to get agitated. It's for this reason alone why the Hulk is considered to be the heavyweight champion of comic book characters.

Not Neutral point of view. -- SoM 14:22, 9 Feb 2005 (UTC)

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Banner's Mind Hulk, some points in time Banner's mind was able to usurp control of the Hulk's physical body.
Savage Banner, at various points in time the Savage Hulk persona became unstable and inhibit control of Banner's physical body.

The reason I removed these before is that they're best mentioned under Banner and Savage Hulk respectively. They're not seperate incarnations, just stuff that happened to Banner and the Savage Hulk - SoM 18:33, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Could someone please seperate out the character's publishing history from the fictional biography, please? -- SoM 20:50, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

(Description of the Peter David era is needed, please!)

What he said. I was a heavy-duty DC comics groupie in the 1980s and gave up collecting almost entirely in the 90s, so my knowledge of Marvel is limited in many respects. There are enough "Marvel Zombies" out there that I'm certain someone can fill in the missing details. :) Modemac

Why isn't my external link working right? The really-long address should be invisible... Tuf-Kat

It works fine for me...i am using IE 6.0. Kingturtle 06:52 15 Jun 2003 (UTC)

Powers and Abilities

This is getting ridiculous.

IP expands out this section. Maestro25 restores it. IP expands out the section. SoM restores it. IP expands out this section. Maestro25 restores it. Wax on. Wax off. Wax on. Wax off.

Stop the insanity!

While the anonymous user has certainly written an overlong and somewhat conjectural text, they obviously feel that the current section is not expansive enough. Upon reading both sections, I think that some valid additions were included in the expanded text.

It seems to me that one of the core values of Wikipedia is the ability to compromise on a text that at least somewhat satisfies everyone, but in this case each party seems interested in maintaining either the status quo their own unaltered text without bothering to even attempt to meet in the middle.

I've written a version of this text that I'm hoping will meet in the middle, and I ask that if anyone has any strong arguments as to why the text should be made longer or shorter, please post them here to explain why so we (hopefully) don't have to deal with all of this nonsense of reverting back and forth with minimal explanation.

The first two paragraphs rely heavily on Maestro25's text, while adding a few key components from the expanded text that had not previously been mentioned. The third paragraph is my own, as I didn't notice any mention of this information in the existing article. (Please feel free to remove it if I have overlooked this information elsewhere in the article.)

Hopefully, this will make everyone reasonably content, if not completely happy. Roger McCoy 20:12, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

I'm mostly fine with the text as it stands now (I would rather remove the numeric reference, dial down "almost unmatched" a couple of notches to something less comparative, and change "almost limitless" to "potentially limitless").

My main problem is that I *did* compromise on Wolverine (comics)'s powers section. And the same wax-on, wax-off situation persists there, even with the revised text (which is actually longer than your version here). That's why I didn't bother doing so in this case. - SoM 21:03, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Looking at the Wolverine page, I see what you mean... Based on your experience with Wolverine, my above comments are probably a little overly optimistic about the value of compromise in this case, but I still think that the middle ground here was an improvement (IMHO).

That said, I do agree with the changes you suggest. I've changed "almost limitless" to "potentially limitless" (How is something "almost limitless" anyway? That's like a number being "almost infinity"), but I haven't thought of a wording to replace "almost unmatched" that I'm really happy with. I do have mixed feelings about the numeric reference: While I understand the reluctance to attach numbers to these things, "in excess of 100 tons" may be a quite conservative estimate: If the dubious statement on the cover of Marvel Super Heroes Secret Wars #4 is to be believed, the Hulk can lift (or at least support) 150 billion tons. Of course, a potentially misleading conservative estimate can be a problem in itself... I'm not going to touch that one for now. -- Roger McCoy 09:08, 25 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Hulks

Don't you think that having three Hulks is too many? I think it kind of ruins the Hulk's individuality and his monstrosity. It's like having three Godzillas or three King Kongs. Scorpionman 15:08, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Well, technically there's quite a bit more than three Hulks, even if you discount Jenkins' dubious "cave of Hulks". There's just three particularly distinguishable/well known Hulks.

If you're talking about it in terms of the character (as I think you are), rather than in terms of the article, well, the Savage Hulk was badly played out, which is why (occasional half-hearted attempts aside) he's barely been seen for 20 years in the comics, and the Savage Hulk characteristics didn't appear until years after IH (v1) #1, and the Hulk changed as early as IH (v1) #3 or #4. There's never been "one Hulk", so... - SoM 16:25, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

So there's more than three Hulks? I wouldn't be a bit surprised if the comics weren't very popular! The kind of comic I would prefer would have just one Hulk, and this Hulk would be the same way he is in the movie. I also think that the stuff about time travelling, the Maestro, and all the other incarnations are stupid and they ruin the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde kind of storyline. Also it's dumb how the Hulk runs into other Marvel Comics characters from the other comics. Scorpionman 02:01, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the comic sold most during the Merged Hulk period, IIRC, where he wasn't even changing back & forth. And Future Imperfect (the Maestro/time travelling story), is one of the most critically acclaimed Hulk comics ever (as opposed to the movie, which I don't remember seeing a single good review for). If you can get a copy of FI, read it.

And characters in the MU run into each other. Live with it. - SoM 10:58, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Three Hulks and Three Godzillas?!?!

IIRC, There have been more than three Godzillas and At least that many (three) King Kongs... The original from 1933, Son of Kong, King Kong Vs. Godzilla, and King Kong Escapes. I am also counting Dino De Laurentiis's King Kong (1976) despite the number of bad reviews it received over the years. Incidentally, I liked it, but lots of other viewers didn't...