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'''Claudia Anne I. Winkleman'''<ref>Birth Index, General Register Office</ref> (born [[15 January]] [[1972]]) is a [[United Kingdom|British]] [[television presenter]] and [[journalist]]. She is the daughter of [[Eve Pollard]], former editor of the ''[[Daily Express#Sunday Express|Sunday Express]]'' and Barry Winkleman, a former publisher of [[Times Atlas of the World| The Times Atlas Of The World]]. Her stepfather is Sir Nicholas Lloyd, former editor of the [[Daily Express]] and her half sister, from her father's second marriage to children's author Cindy Black, is the actress [[Sophie Winkleman]]. |
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Brought up in the affluent [[Hampstead]] suburb of [[London]], Winkleman attended the [[Independent school| independent]] [[City of London School for Girls]]. From there she went on to the all-female college of [[New Hall, Cambridge| New Hall]] at [[University of Cambridge| Cambridge University]], graduating with an MA in [[Art History| History of Art]]. |
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== Enjoy your holiday == |
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==TV career== |
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Winkleman's first major Television job was in 1991 on the regional discussion programme ''[[Central Weekend]]''. In 1992, she began to frequently appear in the long-running [[BBC]] series ''[[Holiday (TV series)| Holiday]]'' and continued to do so throughout the mid-1990s. This culminated in a special [[Documentary film|documentary]] in which she travelled around the world for 34 days reporting from [[Japan]], [[India]], [[Costa Rica]] and [[Dubai]]. |
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Is there anyone taking your role while you're out? [[User:Miguel.mateo|Miguel.mateo]] ([[User talk:Miguel.mateo|talk]]) 09:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Through this period Winkleman also appeared as a reporter on several different shows, most notably ''[[This Morning (TV series)| This Morning]]'', on which she would interview various [[Celebrity| celebrities]], including [[Michelle Pfieffer]] and [[Harrison Ford]] (of whom she has often since referred to as "my least favourite interviewee... and only interested in [[Carpentry| carpentry]]"). |
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:What role Miguel? If you mean FL director then yes, that's already happened - [[User:Matthewedwards]]. [[User:The Rambling Man|The Rambling Man]] ([[User talk:The Rambling Man#top|talk]]) 09:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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==Re: Tennis date delinking== |
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During the late Nineties, Winkleman presented a number of programmes on smaller [[Digital television|digital channels]]. She had a stint on the now rather inauspicious cable channel [[L!VE TV]], run by [[Kelvin MacKenzie]] and [[Janet Street-Porter]], but soon left to pursue other things. One project made at this period was a short series called '''Toilets''' which drew upon her supposedly extensive knowledge and experience of [[Toilet|toilets]] and ironically attempted to examine the "...design, etiquette, psychology and hidden culture behind the humble loo". She also presented a number of [[Game show| Gameshows]], including the dating show [http://www.ukgameshows.com/page/index.php?title=Three%27s_a_Crowd Three's A Crowd] and [http://www.ukgameshows.com/page/index.php?title=Fanorama Fanorama], which featured a young [[David Mitchell (actor)|David Mitchell]] as a team captain, in his first television outing. She was also an occasional team captain herself on a gameshow called ''[[HeadJam]]'', hosted by [[Vernon Kay]] - she lost every time. |
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Hi Rambling Man, thank you for wishing me luck! However, I hope to not need luck, lol. I understand that there have been some issues in the past, some of them possibly with [[User:Tennis expert|Tennis expert]], but I also feel that it isn't anything which can't be resolved. The previous discussion which you linked to is very long and even descended into some personal grievances, and I hope that a fresh call for simple support and opposes can avoid that whole mess. Perhaps I am being naïve, but I intend to approach the issue with good faith all 'round, and with the right touches, reach consensus without too much conflict. Personally, I do not either agree or disagree with the delinking/linking of dates and common terms – I can see the benefits in both methods. What I do know is that the current state of edit warring over the debate is intensely counter-productive, and I only wish to faciliate a firm, WikiProject Tennis solution, and I think that Tennis expert is in favour of reaching a decision, too. Let's see how it goes and assume the best from everyone, :-) [[User:Maedin|<span style="color:#4B0082">'''Maedin'''</span>]]\<sup>[[User_talk:Maedin|<span style="color:#4B0082">talk</span>]]</sup> 10:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of universities in British Columbia]] == |
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Between 2002 and 2004 Winkleman began her first daily TV role when she hosted the [[BBC Three]] Entertainment update show ''[[Liquid News]]''. The show, originally hosted by the late [[Christopher Price (broadcaster)|Christopher Price]] on the now defunct [[BBC Choice]] was shown live, six times a week—a routine Claudia was destined to become very accustomed to—and she shared the presenting duties with Colin Paterson and later [[Paddy O'Connell]]. The show was irreverent and playful, and often caused a stir, the largest of which occurred when Claudia interviewed [[S Club|S Club 7]] in May 2003. She asked the band, who had just announced their split, about their financial situation. Despite the group themselves seeming happy to answer the question, a PR woman stormed onto the set to halt the interview. Although the altercation was not recorded live, the footage was still shown on that night's programme, typical of the show's cheeky nature. |
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The list is getting dangerously close to being archived as it's been up for nearly two weeks. Could you visit your oppose when you have the time? <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font> <font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]] ([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 16:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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In 2003, ''[[Fame Academy]]'' asked Winkleman to present a daily update show on [[BBC Three]], in conjunction with its second series. Reporting from behind the scenes of the show, Claudia would conduct daily interviews with contestants, experts and celebrity pundits. She repeated the show in 2005 for the much shorter celebrity version [[Comic Relief Does Fame Academy]]. She also began hosting ''[[Strictly Come Dancing: It Takes Two]]'', a supplementary programme to [[Strictly Come Dancing]]. |
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==Help== |
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Hi there. I'd really like some help with an issue that has plagued Wikipedia for quite some time. If you're too busy in real life, just let me know. |
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I'll go straight to the point. You may consider the incident rather trivial, but it's implications aren't. |
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With her rising popularity, Winkleman was afforded the opportunity to demonstrate her intellectual side - rare amongst her peers - by presenting several more upmarket [[Reality television| reality shows]] including [http://www.bbc.co.uk/endofstory End Of Story] in 2004, a literature based show, and [http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/08_august/10/art.shtml Art School] in 2005, a programme which saw five unlikely celebrities go through a two-week art course at the [[Chelsea College of Art and Design]]. The latter was especially suited to Winkleman, given her [[Art history|Art History]] background. |
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Do you believe that it is fair and effective for a group of 10 or so editors to effect a change in the way every single Wikipeia music articles are edited and constructed? Editors of [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Music]] feel that they have the right to discuss and change the way articles and templates under the project are set up, showing wanton disregard for the views of anyone else outside the project. They ignore the fact the changes they make to their templates affect all of Wikipedia, since we have to use these templates, and seem not to care that an increasing number of editors oppose the change. |
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More recently, Winkleman has presented a number of [[Prime time|prime time]] programmes. In 2007 she took over from [[Cat Deeley]] as the main host for the third series of [[Comic Relief Does Fame Academy]], co-hosting with [[Patrick Kielty]]. She also presented the [[Eurovision Song Contest]]. She co-hosted coverage of the inaugural [[Eurovision Dance Contest 2007]] alongside [[Graham Norton]] for [[BBC One]] in September of that year, and also co-presented the UK selection process for the [[Eurovision Song Contest 2008]] called [[Eurovision: Your Decision]], this time accompanied by Eurovision stalwart [[Sir Terry Wogan]]. In March 2008, Winkleman rekindled her partnership with [[Patrick Kielty]] when the pair hosted the final leg of [[Sport Relief|Sport Relief 2008]], announcing £19,640,321 as the final amount raised through viewer's donations. She has since spoken of how much she was moved by the experience. |
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A few days ago, the editors had a discussion amongst themselves (see [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#Out_of_hand]], [[Template_talk:Infobox_Musical_artist#Genre_field|Infobox_Musical_artist#Genre_field]] and [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music]]) and concluded that it was o.k to remove the genre field from all infoboxes in the music articles (artist and album articles). Their rationale: it reduces edit warring. However, the genre field is extremely useful to these articles, and even if they are removed, there is nothing barring editors from changing any genre related info in the body of the article. |
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In 2007 Winkleman also became the face of [[Sky Movies|Sky Movie Premiere's]] coverage of the [[79th Academy Awards]], repeating it for the [[80th Academy Awards]] in 2008. The show is recorded live in conjunction to the ceremony itself, running right through the night into the early hours of the morning. |
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The point I'm trying to make is that it goes against everything Wikipedia stands for, to have a group of editors — and such a small number at that— decide what goes and what stays in every music article. What we have is them saying is this: |
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Claudia has made many guest appearances on various panel and talk shows including: ''[[Never Mind the Buzzcocks]]'', ''[[Would I Lie To You? (TV series)|Would I Lie To You?]]'' (in which she appeared on [[David Mitchell (actor)| David Mitchell's]] team, thus reprising their earlier gameshow collaboration), ''[[Have I Got News for You]]'' and ''[[Lily Allen and Friends]]''. In February 2008, she appeared on the British version of the comedy improvisational show ''[[Thank God You're Here (UK TV series)|Thank God You're Here]]'', hosted by [[Paul Merton]]. In it she had to [[Improvisation|improvise]] a scene in which she played a [[Boarding school|boarding school]] girl who had been called to the Headmistress's office. It signalled her first foray into televised acting. |
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:"It is compulsory that you use our infobox in every music article. And since it is our infobox, a contingent of 15 editors have decided to control the way every article is set up. We get to decide what goes and what doesn't go in all of the articles regarding music on Wikipedia." |
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Claudia also narrates the [[BBC Three]] show [http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00b2913 Glamour Girls], a documentary series focusing on Britain's glamour industry<ref>[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1219967/ IMDb]</ref>. |
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I really can not see the logic in this. Wikipedia should not be governed by these people. Is there any way you can help? [[User:Journalist|<font color="navy" face="Garamond">'''O'''ran</font><font color ="green" face="Garamond">'''''e'''''</font>]] [[User talk:Journalist|<font face="Garamond">(talk)</font>]] 18:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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It is reported that Winkleman is filming a new gameshow with [[Fiona Bruce]] rumoured to be entitled '''What Are You Like?'''.<ref>[http://www.ukgameshows.com/page/index.php?title=What_Are_You_Like%3F What Are You Like?]</ref> It is due to be aired later in 2008. |
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== List question == |
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As part of the celebration for London's win for hosting the 2012 Olympics, Claudia Winkleman co-hosted the London 2012 party alongside [[Matt Baker]] on August 24th, on the [[BBC]]. |
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Hi TRM, before you go circumnavigating, would you be able to answer a list question for me please. I am working on articles for the seven covered bridges in [[Covered Bridges of Bradford, Sullivan and Lycoming Counties]] with an eye to a Featured Topic. Three of the individual bridge articles are FAs, and I am pretty sure I can get three more there, while the last bridge has so little material on it that I think it will be a GA. Anyway, my question is: is there a lower limit on the number of items in a list for FL? There are only seven bridges on this list [[Covered Bridges of Bradford, Sullivan and Lycoming Counties]], but it seems like the ideal lead article for a future FT. I hope my question is clear. Thanks in advance for any advice, and have a blast on your trip! [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub><font color="green">><></font></sub><small>°</small><sup><small>°</small></sup>]]''' 02:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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==Writing== |
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Winkleman started her written journalism as a [[Travel literature|travel writer]], with informative and entertaining columns about her various worldwide excursions. She did so in ''[[The Sunday Times]]'' and ''[[The Independent]]'', but also contributed to the free daily London paper ''[[Metro (Associated Metro Limited)|Metro]]'' in a similar capacity. As her Television career - and family - evolved, she travelled less and began to write more general work, opinion-led Lifestyle journalism about womanhood, sex and relationships. She wrote for ''[[Cosmopolitan (magazine)|Cosmopolitan]]'' and ''[[Tatler]]'' amongst others. |
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== Tennis articles == |
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Since 2005 she has written a regular Wednesday column for ''The Independent'' called [http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/claudia-winkleman Take It From Me] collating her various musings on the lighter sides of current affairs, celebrity news and anecdotes concerning her own life. These mostly comprise of tongue-in-cheek diatribes on the shortcomings of men and the pitfalls of juggling a professional life with that of being a mother. Her column often angles towards the more irritating aspects of life, with her husband regularly the subject of loving scorn. In 2007, this resulted in her husband writing her column instead, as something of a retaliation, though he has done this only the once. |
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I'm willing to help, let me know any particular article you are working on. Although, I'm a bit wary of Sharapova article since I'd be entering into the middle of long standing debate. <sup>''[[Special:Contributions/LeaveSleaves|Leave]]''</sup>'''[[User:LeaveSleaves|Sleaves]]''' <sub>''[[User talk:LeaveSleaves|talk]]''</sub> 12:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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On [[9 April]] [[2008]], Claudia wrote in ''The Independent'' about her having read this very entry on herself when scouring the [[internet]] looking for something to write about. In the column she denied recent speculation (mentioned on this [[Wikipedia|site]]) that she was to have a third baby - she put her perceived new bulge down to the fact that she had not "...banned [[pasta]] from my world." She wrote of typing her name into [[Google]] and looking at this entry on [[Wikipedia]]. She then stated that this entry had read, "Since her recent appearance on [[Sport Relief]] it is ''obvious'' that Claudia is expecting her third baby. There has been no confirmation as yet". This is in fact untrue, as it actually read, "There are ''rumours'', following her appearance presenting [[Sport Relief]] 2008, that she is expecting a third child, but this has yet to be confirmed." Either way, Claudia was immensely perturbed by the knowledge that there was any speculation that she was pregnant, when she wasn't, and - having rejected ideas from her friend Lucy that it was "...to do with the dress" or that "...they'd got her mixed up with [[Kate Thornton]]" - decided that the best course of action was to "have a slice of cake and a cup of tea".<ref>[http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/claudia-winkleman/claudia-winkleman-take-it-from-me-806271.html Take It From Me, The Independent, 09/04/2008]</ref> |
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From [[19 April]] [[2008]], Claudia began hosting the first in a six part comedy quiz series taking a humorous look into the week's celebrity gossip, called, aptly enough, [http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00b7rl5 Hot Gossip]. The show takes place on a Saturday afternoon on [[BBC Radio 2]] and sees Claudia dishing out points for those who dish out dirt.<ref>[http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/comedy/ BBC Radio 2]</ref> The show has featured many famous pundits, including [[Will Smith (comedian)| Will Smith]], [[Phil Nichol]], [[Jo Caulfield]], [[Rufus Hound]] and [[Jonathan Ross| Jonathan Ross']] brother, [[Paul Ross| Paul]]. |
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Sorry to bother you with this, but {{user|Be Black Hole Sun}} has been indef blocked without the ability to edit his own talkpage after a vandalism spree. Despite the behavioural problems, he has contributed more quality content than the vast majority of editors, and I hope, however naively, that this is not the end of his editorial tenure. You probably understand his psychology best, could you take a look at his latest contribs? Is this beyond redeemable i.e. ban territory? <font color="404040">[[User talk:Skomorokh|<font face="Garamond" color="black">the skomorokh</font>]]</font> 16:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Claudia hosts her own weekly show also on [[BBC Radio 2]] called '''Claudia Winkleman's Arts Show'''. The show is aired every Friday night between 10pm and midnight and consists of interviews with people from the arts world as well as reviews and debate <ref>[http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/claudia/index.shtml Claudia Winkleman on BBC Radio 2]</ref>. |
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==Charity and other work== |
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Claudia uses her influence to participate in a lot of charity work. In 2007, she travelled to [[Uganda]] for [[Comic Relief]] where the harsh realities of the [[AIDS]] situation there affected her greatly (she made a video diary which can be viewed here: [http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/sundaymag/sunday_04m_comic_relief.shtml Claudia's Ugandan Video Diary]). Following this she manned the phones at the [[BT Tower]] for the [[Disasters Emergency Committee]] in response to the problems in [[Darfur]].<ref>[http://www.tearfund.org/News/Latest+news/DEC+Darfur+and+Chad+Crisis+Appeal+raises+£2m+on+first+night.htm DEC work, 24/05/2007]</ref> She also relaunched [http://www.missingpeople.org.uk/news-and-events/press/detail.asp?dsid=23 The National Missing Person's Campaign] and supported [http://www.refuge.org.uk Refuge] charity's [http://www.refugechristmas.co.uk/messages.htm Raise Your Hand] Christmas Campaign for women and children against [[domestic violence]]. |
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In April 2008, she became a guest photographer for [[Barnardo's]] children's hospice, photographing the plight of homeless children in the London borough of [[London Borough of Camden|Camden]] for an exhibition to be held at [http://www.gettyimagesgallery.com The Getty Images Gallery] in [[Mayfair]], London. She is also an outspoken advocate for [http://www.whiteribboncampaign.co.uk The White Ribbon Campaign], as well as many other charities. |
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Claudia has also presented several Award Ceremonies including the Purple Heart Awards, The [[HSBC]] Awards and The Campaign Digital Awards. In addition she has hosted promotional videos for companies such as [[John Lewis Partnership]], [[C&J Clark]] and the British airport consortium [[BAA Limited]]. |
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==Personal life== |
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Winkleman is of the Jewish faith and married to Kris Thykier<ref>[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml? |
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[http://www.somethingjewish.co.uk/jews_about_town/index.htm |
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xml=/arts/2005/08/31/bvwinkle31.xml&sSheet=/arts/2005/08/31/ixartleft.html Interview In The Telegraph, 2005]</ref> - once a partner of the [[Public relations| PR]] firm [[Freud Communications]] with [[Matthew Freud]], he has since joined forces with film director [[Matthew Vaughn]] (husband of [[Claudia Schiffer]]) in setting up a [[Filmmaking| film production]] company called '''Marv Films'''<ref>[http://www.variety.com/profiles/Company/main/2198603/Marv+Films.html?dataSet=1 variety.com]</ref>. They live in the Hyde Park area of London where she is a neighbour of [[Tony Blair]] and also own a home in [[Maida Vale]]. They have two children: Jake, born in March 2003, and Matilda, born in June 2006. In April 2008, Claudia denied speculation that she was due to have a third baby, see '''Writing''' for details. |
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On the 1st September 2008, [[Daily Mail| The Daily Mail]] reported on problems in Winkleman's marriage to Thykier citing busy work schedules driving a rift between the two with Winkleman preparing for the upcoming series of '''It Takes Two''' and Thykier in [[Los Angeles, California| LA]] preparing for his production company's new film '''Kick-Ass''' staring [[Nicholas Cage]]. The paper reported that Winkleman "looked drawn and stressed on the doorstep as she greeted (her father and stepmother), who took her son out for the morning. She was not wearing a wedding ring."<ref>[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1051138/Strictly-Come-Dancing-host-Claudia-Winkleman-fight-save-trouble-hit-marriage.html The Daily Mail, September 1st 2008]</ref> |
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Claudia is a popular figure in [[Blog]]s and on [[Message Board]]s. There is even a group, on the social networking site [[Facebook]], called [http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=7275237679 It May Take Two To Tango But There's Only One Claudia Winkleman], in which members divulge any dreams they may have had in which she features. Fans refer to such dreams as "Winklewinks". |
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==Other Miscellanea== |
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* In 2003, Claudia raised £7000 for [[Comic Relief]] by getting people to sponsor her for every hour she was in labour with her first son Jake. His birthday coincided with [[Comic Relief| Red Nose Day]]<ref>[http://www.mynottinghill.co.uk/nottinghilltv/celebs-claudia-winkleman.htm mynottinghill.com]</ref>. |
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* Claudia's husband was once engaged to [[It girl]] [[Tara Palmer-Tomkinson]] and is the shooting partner of [[Madonna (entertainer)| Madonna's]] husband, the film director [[Guy Ritchie]]<ref>[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2005/08/31/bvwinkle31.xml&sSheet=/arts/2005/08/31/ixartleft.html The Telegraph, 31/08/2005]</ref>. |
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* Claudia has a crush on the sixty year old British newsreader [[Jon Snow]]. She has said of him, "I fantasise about having sex with him. He is my dream boy, because he's fiercely intelligent and wears a jaunty tie."<ref>[http://arts.guardian.co.uk/art/visualart/story/0,,2274351,00.html The Guardian, April 20, 2008]</ref> |
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* In June 2008, Claudia was featured in [[Heat (magazine)| Heat Magazine]] with no make-up on, as part of a stand against the excessive [[Airbrush| airbrushing]] of female celebrities. She said it was "pretty terrifying"<ref>[http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/celebritynews/2144649/Celebrity-women-shun-make-up-in-stand-against-airbrushing.html The Telegraph, June 2008]</ref>. |
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==References== |
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==External links== |
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*[http://www.kbjmgt.co.uk/clients/claudia_winkleman/ Claudia Winkleman Official Agent's Web site] |
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*{{imdb|0935183|Claudia Winkleman}} |
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*[http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/claudia-winkleman/ Claudia Winkleman's Independent Column] |
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Enjoy your holiday
Is there anyone taking your role while you're out? Miguel.mateo (talk) 09:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- What role Miguel? If you mean FL director then yes, that's already happened - User:Matthewedwards. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:35, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Re: Tennis date delinking
Hi Rambling Man, thank you for wishing me luck! However, I hope to not need luck, lol. I understand that there have been some issues in the past, some of them possibly with Tennis expert, but I also feel that it isn't anything which can't be resolved. The previous discussion which you linked to is very long and even descended into some personal grievances, and I hope that a fresh call for simple support and opposes can avoid that whole mess. Perhaps I am being naïve, but I intend to approach the issue with good faith all 'round, and with the right touches, reach consensus without too much conflict. Personally, I do not either agree or disagree with the delinking/linking of dates and common terms – I can see the benefits in both methods. What I do know is that the current state of edit warring over the debate is intensely counter-productive, and I only wish to faciliate a firm, WikiProject Tennis solution, and I think that Tennis expert is in favour of reaching a decision, too. Let's see how it goes and assume the best from everyone, :-) Maedin\talk 10:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
The list is getting dangerously close to being archived as it's been up for nearly two weeks. Could you visit your oppose when you have the time? Gary King (talk) 16:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Help
Hi there. I'd really like some help with an issue that has plagued Wikipedia for quite some time. If you're too busy in real life, just let me know.
I'll go straight to the point. You may consider the incident rather trivial, but it's implications aren't.
Do you believe that it is fair and effective for a group of 10 or so editors to effect a change in the way every single Wikipeia music articles are edited and constructed? Editors of Wikipedia:WikiProject Music feel that they have the right to discuss and change the way articles and templates under the project are set up, showing wanton disregard for the views of anyone else outside the project. They ignore the fact the changes they make to their templates affect all of Wikipedia, since we have to use these templates, and seem not to care that an increasing number of editors oppose the change.
A few days ago, the editors had a discussion amongst themselves (see Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Music#Out_of_hand, Infobox_Musical_artist#Genre_field and Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Music) and concluded that it was o.k to remove the genre field from all infoboxes in the music articles (artist and album articles). Their rationale: it reduces edit warring. However, the genre field is extremely useful to these articles, and even if they are removed, there is nothing barring editors from changing any genre related info in the body of the article.
The point I'm trying to make is that it goes against everything Wikipedia stands for, to have a group of editors — and such a small number at that— decide what goes and what stays in every music article. What we have is them saying is this:
- "It is compulsory that you use our infobox in every music article. And since it is our infobox, a contingent of 15 editors have decided to control the way every article is set up. We get to decide what goes and what doesn't go in all of the articles regarding music on Wikipedia."
I really can not see the logic in this. Wikipedia should not be governed by these people. Is there any way you can help? Orane (talk) 18:02, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
List question
Hi TRM, before you go circumnavigating, would you be able to answer a list question for me please. I am working on articles for the seven covered bridges in Covered Bridges of Bradford, Sullivan and Lycoming Counties with an eye to a Featured Topic. Three of the individual bridge articles are FAs, and I am pretty sure I can get three more there, while the last bridge has so little material on it that I think it will be a GA. Anyway, my question is: is there a lower limit on the number of items in a list for FL? There are only seven bridges on this list Covered Bridges of Bradford, Sullivan and Lycoming Counties, but it seems like the ideal lead article for a future FT. I hope my question is clear. Thanks in advance for any advice, and have a blast on your trip! Ruhrfisch ><>°° 02:27, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Tennis articles
I'm willing to help, let me know any particular article you are working on. Although, I'm a bit wary of Sharapova article since I'd be entering into the middle of long standing debate. LeaveSleaves talk 12:37, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
BBHS
Sorry to bother you with this, but Be Black Hole Sun (talk · contribs) has been indef blocked without the ability to edit his own talkpage after a vandalism spree. Despite the behavioural problems, he has contributed more quality content than the vast majority of editors, and I hope, however naively, that this is not the end of his editorial tenure. You probably understand his psychology best, could you take a look at his latest contribs? Is this beyond redeemable i.e. ban territory? the skomorokh 16:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)