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{{dablink|This is about the Athenian leader during the Peloponnesian War. For the 1st century BC brigand-king, see [[Cleon of Gordiucome]]. <br />For the fictional Galactic Emperors in the writings of Isaac Asimov, see [[Cleon I]] and [[Cleon II]]. <br />For the township in Michigan, see [[Cleon Township, Michigan]].}} |
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'''Cleon''' (Greek: Κλέων) (d. 422 BC) was an [[Athens|Athenian]] [[Strategos]] during the [[Peloponnesian War]]. He was the first prominent representative of the commercial class in Athenian politics, although he was an [[aristocrat]] himself. |
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==Early life== |
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Or as most people know it, the game where the goalie broke his neck. Myself and [[User:Struway2|Struway2]] have been working on this article, to the point where it is now a GA. We're now looking for comments with a view to bringing it to [[WP:FAC|FAC]] in future. Comments from non-football fans particularly welcome. [[User:Oldelpaso|Oldelpaso]] ([[User talk:Oldelpaso|talk]]) 12:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Cleon was the son of Cleaenetus, a member of the Aristocracy from whom he inherited a lucrative [[tanning]] business. |
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;'''Comment''' from {{User|Jameboy}} |
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==Public Service== |
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Consider working in a link to [[FA Cup 1955-56]] (which is effectively a parent of this article, and I can't see a link to it). This could maybe fit in in the lead e.g. "...was the final match of the [[FA Cup 1955-56|1955–56 FA Cup]] competition", and/or in the "Route to the final" section (would be good as a ''see also'' section hatnote here). I have other wiki-stuff to catch up on but will try to have a thorough read-through of the article sometime in the next few days. --[[User:Jameboy|Jameboy]] ([[User talk:Jameboy|talk]]) 18:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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===Opposition to Pericles=== |
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:Added the hatnote for now, the lead needs expanding so it might well end up in there. Sorry didn't respond sooner, for some reason (incompetence, presumably :-) this PR wasn't on my watchlist. [[User:Struway2|Struway2]] ([[User talk:Struway2|talk]]) 13:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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He came into notice first as an opponent of [[Pericles]], and curiously found himself acting in concert with the aristocrats, who equally hated and feared Pericles. During the dark days of 430, after the unsuccessful expedition of Pericles to [[Peloponnesus]], and when the city was devastated by the [[Plague of Athens|plague]], Cleon headed the opposition to the Periclean régime. Pericles was accused by Cleon of maladministration of public money, with the result that he was actually found guilty (see [[George Grote|Grote]]'s ''History of Greece'', abridged ed., 1907, p. 406, note 1). |
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A reversal of feeling, however, soon took place. Pericles was reinstated, and Cleon now for a time fell into the background. |
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'''Comments''' from {{User|Ealdgyth}} |
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===Rise in popularity=== |
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* You said you wanted to know what to work on before taking to FAC, so I looked at the sourcing and referencing with that in mind. I reviewed the article's sources as I would at FAC. The sourcing looks good. |
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The death of Pericles (429) left the field clear for new leadership in Athens. Hitherto Cleon had only been a vigorous opposition speaker, a trenchant critic and accuser of state officials but he now came forward as the professed champion and leader of the [[democracy]], and, owing to the moderate abilities of his rivals and opponents, he was for some years undoubtedly the foremost man in Athens. Although rough and unpolished, he was gifted with natural eloquence and a powerful voice, and knew exactly how to work upon the feelings of the people. He strengthened his hold on the poorer classes by his measure for trebling the pay of the jurymen, which provided the poorer Athenians with an easy means of livelihood. |
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: Hope this helps. Please note that I don't watchlist Peer Reviews I've done. If you have a question about something, you'll have to drop a note on my talk page to get my attention. (My watchlist is already WAY too long, adding peer reviews would make things much worse.) 14:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC) |
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'''Ruhrfisch comments''': Very briefly, here are some suggestions for improvement - it looks very good to me, so these are nit picks. If you want more comments, please ask here. |
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The notorious fondness of the Athenians for litigation increased his power; and the practice of "[[sycophant|sycophancy]]" (raking up material for false charges), enabled him to remove those who were likely to endanger his ascendancy. In 426 Cleon brought an unsuccessful prosecution against [[Laches (person)|Laches]] based on the [[Strategos|generalship]] in the unsuccessful first Sicily expedition. This is one of the very few times that an Athenian general escaped civil punishment for a defeat. Having no further use for his former aristocratic associates, he broke off all connection with them, and thus felt at liberty to attack the secret combinations for political purposes, the oligarchical clubs to which they mostly belonged. Whether he also introduced a property-tax for military purposes, and even held a high position in connexion with the treasury, is uncertain. |
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*The lead seems a bit short to me, I think it could be expanded a bit. |
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*Not everyone knows what the FA stands for, perhaps spell it out. |
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===War against Sparta and Death=== |
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*Nowadays seems a bit folksy in ''The match is best remembered nowadays for the heroics of Manchester City's goalkeeper, Bert Trautmann...'' |
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Cleon's ruling principles were an inveterate hatred of the nobility, and an equal hatred of Sparta. It was mainly through him that the opportunity of concluding an honourable peace (in 425) was lost, and in his determination to see [[Sparta]] humbled he misled the people as to the extent of the resources of the state, and dazzled them by promises of future benefits. |
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*Explain why these somgs had resonance and which for which team in ''As the teams prepared in the dressing rooms, the crowd was led in communal singing, including songs with resonance for each of the two teams, "She's a lassie from Lancashire" and "Keep right on to the end of the road",[25] and the traditional hymn "Abide with Me".'' |
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*Any chance of a fair use photo of the match or team(s)? |
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In 427 Cleon gained an evil notoriety by his proposal to put to death the whole male population of [[Mytilene]], which had put itself at the head of a revolt. His proposal, though at first accepted, was soon rescinded, though about 1000 chief leaders and prominent men of Mytilene were executed. In 425, he reached the summit of his fame by capturing and transporting to Athens the Spartans who had been blockaded at the [[Battle of Sphacteria]]. Much of the credit was probably due to the military skill of his colleague [[Demosthenes (general)|Demosthenes]] (not the orator); but it must be admitted that it was due to Cleon's determination that the [[ecclesia (ancient Athens)|Ecclesia]] sent out the additional force which was needed. |
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Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at [[Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog]] (which is how I found this article). Yours, [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub><font color="green">><></font></sub><small>°</small><sup><small>°</small></sup>]]''' 03:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC) |
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It was almost certainly due to Cleon that the tribute of the "allies" was doubled in 425. In 422 he was sent to recapture [[Amphipolis]], but was out-generalled by the Spartan [[Brasidas]]. However, both Brasidas and Cleon were killed at Amphipolis and their deaths removed the chief obstacle to peace. Thus, in 421 the [[peace of Nicias]] was concluded. |
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==Aristophanes and Thucydides on Cleon== |
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The character of Cleon is represented by [[Aristophanes]] and [[Thucydides]] in a very unfavourable light. But neither can be considered an unprejudiced witness. The poet had a grudge against Cleon, who may have accused him before the senate of having ridiculed (in his lost play ''Babylonians'') the policy and institutions of his country in the presence of foreigners and at the time of a great national war. Thucydides, a man of strong [[oligarchy|oligarchical]] prejudices, had also been prosecuted for military incapacity and exiled by a decree proposed by Cleon. It is therefore possible that Cleon has had injustice done to him in the portraits handed down by these two writers.<ref>"Cleon" ''Encyclopædia Britannica Eleventh Edition'' vol IV, p. 495;</ref> |
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===Authorities=== |
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For the literature on Cleon see [[Karl Friedrich Hermann]], ''Lehrbuch der griechischen Antiquilaten'', i. pt. 2 (6th ed. by V. Thumser, 1892), p. 709, and [[Georg Busolt]], ''Griechische Geschichte'', iii. pt. 2 (1904), p. 988, note 3. |
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The following are the chief authorities: |
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*Favourable to Cleon |
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**[[C. F. Ranke]], ''Commentatio de Vita Aristoprianis'' (Leipzig, 1845) |
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**[[Johann Gustav Droysen|JG Droysen]], ''Aristophanes'', ii., ''Introd. to the Knights'' (Berlin, 1837) |
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**[[G. Grote]], ''History of Greece''. chs. 50, 54 |
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**[[W. Oncken]], ''Athen und Hellas'', ii. p. 204 (Leipzig, 1866) |
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**[[H. Muller Strubing]], ''Aristophanes und die historisehe Kritik'' (Leipzig, 1873) |
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**[[J. B. Bury]], ''Hist, of Greece'', i. (1902) |
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*Unfavourable |
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**[[J. F. Kortüm]], ''Geschichtliche Forschungen'' (Leipzig, 1863), and ''Zur Geschichte hellenichen Statsverfassungen'' (Heidelberg, 1821) |
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**[[F. Passow]], ''Vermischte Schriften'' (Leipzig, 1843) |
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**[[Connop Thirlwall|C Thirlwall]], ''History of Greece'', ch. 21 |
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**[[Ernst Curtius|E Curtius]], ''History of Greece'' (Eng. tr. iii. p. 112) |
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**[[J. Schwartz]], ''Die Demokratie'' (Leipzig, 1882) |
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**[[Hans Delbrück|H Delbrück]], ''Die Strategie des Perikles'' (Berlin, 1890) |
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**[[E. Meyer]], ''Forschungen zur alten Geschichte'', ii. p. 333 (Halle, 1899) |
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*Balance between the two extreme views: |
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**[[Karl Julius Beloch]], ''Die attische Politik seit Perikles'' (Leipzig, 1884), and ''Griechische Geschichte'', i. p. 537 |
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**[[A. Holm]], ''History of Greece'', ii. (Eng. tr.), ch. 23, with the notes. |
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**[[H. Bengston]], ''History of Greece: From the Beginnings to the Byzantine Era'', Cleon p. 140 |
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==References== |
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* [http://www.livius.org/cg-cm/cleon/cleon.html Livius.org: Cleon] |
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Revision as of 03:28, 11 October 2008
1956 FA Cup Final
- A script has been used to generate a semi-automated review of the article for issues relating to grammar and house style; it can be found on the automated peer review page for October 2008.
Or as most people know it, the game where the goalie broke his neck. Myself and Struway2 have been working on this article, to the point where it is now a GA. We're now looking for comments with a view to bringing it to FAC in future. Comments from non-football fans particularly welcome. Oldelpaso (talk) 12:15, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
Consider working in a link to FA Cup 1955-56 (which is effectively a parent of this article, and I can't see a link to it). This could maybe fit in in the lead e.g. "...was the final match of the 1955–56 FA Cup competition", and/or in the "Route to the final" section (would be good as a see also section hatnote here). I have other wiki-stuff to catch up on but will try to have a thorough read-through of the article sometime in the next few days. --Jameboy (talk) 18:22, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
- Added the hatnote for now, the lead needs expanding so it might well end up in there. Sorry didn't respond sooner, for some reason (incompetence, presumably :-) this PR wasn't on my watchlist. Struway2 (talk) 13:28, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Comments from Ealdgyth (talk · contribs)
- You said you wanted to know what to work on before taking to FAC, so I looked at the sourcing and referencing with that in mind. I reviewed the article's sources as I would at FAC. The sourcing looks good.
- Hope this helps. Please note that I don't watchlist Peer Reviews I've done. If you have a question about something, you'll have to drop a note on my talk page to get my attention. (My watchlist is already WAY too long, adding peer reviews would make things much worse.) 14:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Ruhrfisch comments: Very briefly, here are some suggestions for improvement - it looks very good to me, so these are nit picks. If you want more comments, please ask here.
- The lead seems a bit short to me, I think it could be expanded a bit.
- Not everyone knows what the FA stands for, perhaps spell it out.
- Nowadays seems a bit folksy in The match is best remembered nowadays for the heroics of Manchester City's goalkeeper, Bert Trautmann...
- Explain why these somgs had resonance and which for which team in As the teams prepared in the dressing rooms, the crowd was led in communal singing, including songs with resonance for each of the two teams, "She's a lassie from Lancashire" and "Keep right on to the end of the road",[25] and the traditional hymn "Abide with Me".
- Any chance of a fair use photo of the match or team(s)?
Hope this helps. If my comments are useful, please consider peer reviewing an article, especially one at Wikipedia:Peer review/backlog (which is how I found this article). Yours, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)