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Center for Disease Control / World of Warcraft

"In World of Warcraft, a programming glitch attracted the attention of psychologists and epidemiologists across North America, when the "Corrupted Blood" ability of a monster began to spread unintentionally into the wider game world. The Center for Disease Control used the incident as a research model to chart both the progression of a disease, and the potential human response to large-scale epidemic infection."

Much as this would have been amusing the article does not actually state that any research took place, it says that the CDC wanted to research it and Blizzard said no. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.3.122.176 (talk) 09:29, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Adding a link, and or mention of MMOABC.com in the External Links section

Hi I would like to add a link to MMOABC.com, as it is a free MMORPG social community website that allows MMORPG gamers to connect with each other and share gaming experiences. MMOABC.com also has free MMORPG game portal services and guild hosting services as well. The URL is http://www.mmoabc.com thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.171.47.192 (talk) 05:08, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Adding a link, and or mention of MMORPG Maker in the indie section

I'd like to add a link to MMORPG Maker, and or mention this site in the indie section of the discussion. MMORPG Maker is the most active site on the net for indie MMORPG developers. It has topics on modeling, scripting, hosting, using MMORPG making software, and a list of all current MMORPG development programs (many of which aren't mentioned in the indie section), as well as discussion sections for the most popular MMORPG development software. MMORPG Maker is hosted by the Vault Network, and has a large and active membership.

http://www.mmorpgmaker.com —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gillvane (talk • contribs) 19:24, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

This would require a reliable source saying how it was the most active indie developer site, rather than your word, and even then it should be a contextual reference in the "Non-corporate development" section rather than an external link. But without a source, it's just an ad, which is against WP:EL. --McGeddon 08:21, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Add an external link and/or mention regarding Massively

There is a new MMOG game news, review and discussion site called Massively. This site is part of the Weblogs, Inc. network that includes Joystiq and Engadget. It's similar to WoW Insider but is dedicated to coverage of all MMOG games rather than a specific one. The URL is http://www.massively.com.

Strider88 19:43, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

My COMM/INFO 320: New Media & Society team at Cornell University has created (and is currently developing) a wiki dedicated to studying social interactions in MMORPGs. Check it out... we want as much help as possible. Thus, if you have any comments, please leave them in the discussion section, or if you have anything to add (or any edits), feel free to help us out on the main page!

http://cornell.collegewikis.com/index.php?title=Sleepless_in_the_World_of_Warcraft

Subscriptions

which one has the most (so basicly the best) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.218.18.181 (talk) 22:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

I don't know, but their is a fallacy in your comment. Having the most subscriptions only means that the particular game is currently the most popular. The most popular game may not even be the favorite of its users, but simply the most commonly played. --Habap 13:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Adding a section on Free MMORPGs and adding Onrpg.com to the external links

I believe we should add a section describing the phenomenon of Free MMORPGs that is going on the net including runescape, maple story and many others. As well, I think we should add Onrpg.com as the place to get free mmorpgs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gabez123 (talk • contribs) 00:55, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Evemarketscreen.png

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BetacommandBot 20:26, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

unexplained removal of cited text by anon

Several days ago, 131.111.8.97 (talk · contribs) removed some cited text from the article. I wasn't sure if the edits were vandalism, so I reverted them. However, 131.111.8.104 (talk · contribs) (likely to be the same person as 131.111.8.97) removed the text again. I'm a bit reluctant to make another revert, as some of this user's other edits appear to be legitimate. Despite having been blocked several times, 131.111.8.97 and 131.111.8.97 do not seem to be pure vandals.

Can another editor please check if this user's edits were appropriate?

Thanks. --Ixfd64 (talk) 20:49, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Just revert it again. If he was serious, he'd question you. If this escalates to edit war then report him(/her). _{WEBURIEDOURSECRETSINTHEGARDEN}^{we need to talk.}• 20:08, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

WoW Image

Considering it is the most popular MMORPG in the Western World, probably the whole world, I thought it only fitting to add an image depicting the game. —Preceding unsigned comment added by NLUT (talk • contribs) 06:37, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Sandbox/Linear Distinction

I think that this should be somewhere on the main MMO page, seeing as they are very different game-types. I may put this up if nobody is opposed, but I won't be able to manage it for a while. Otherwise, anybody want to handle this? 66.30.107.67 (talk) 03:36, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Gender-bait

Hi. Over at the Gender-bait article, we're wondering if there is a more common term for this behavior (somewhere it could be merged or renamed to), or if Gibson's coinage has achieved common recognition (particularly in reliable sources). Any comments would be welcome at the talkpage over there. Also, perhaps that article could be usefully linked to from the section here on Psychology. Thanks :) -- Quiddity (talk) 21:34, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Adding a link, and or mention of MMORPG-CENTER.com in the External Links/Resources section

Hello, i would like to add our mmorpg portal to mmorpg wiki resources. We have tons of content, unique and shared. News, MMORPG Lists, from Free to P2P, articles, events and other goodies. The url is http://www.mmorpg-center.com Thanks! --Mmorpgcenter (talk) 20:25, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

More Information

Could someone reply to my post at the bottom of Talk:Dofus#More Information & explain how a MMORPG is done in Flash? Erudecorp ? * 00:31, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

The Case of RuneScape

There was previously an extremely detailed and poorly written section in the Economics section about the MMORPG RuneScape. I have recently made many changes in the section, to delete useless information and make it legible. I'm still not toally happy with it - being a player of that game myself, I am not a totally unbiased source.

I would appreciate if someone else would look through that article and see if it is even relevant to the topic, or if some of the details it mentions are unnecessary.

Dirt Tyrant (talk) 02:21, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

10 million active MMO players worldwide?

Um, that doesnt make sense. World of Warcraft alone has over 9 million active subscribers. According to the statement on the opening page, "MMORPGs are very popular throughout the world, with combined global memberships in subscription and non-subscription games exceeding 10 million as of 2008". That would mean, that with all the popular MMOS out there (runescape, guildwars, everquest etc. etc. etc.) they all have a combined total of 1 million active subscribers... I'm pretty sure that number isn't even close to how high the real number is. So, I have deleted that comment, as I don't see how it could possibly be true.71.207.138.63 (talk) 18:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Reversed some Vandalism

User "JuJube" edited the page to say the following:

"GUILD WARS BABY BEST GAME EVER MADE YOU SHOULD ALL BY AND MAKE AN ACCOUNT IT IS THE BEST MMORPG AND RPG GAME EVER IT IS JUST LIKE WOW BUT WITH NO MONTHLY PAYMENT yeaaa!!!!! BUY IT =))))))"

I reverted it to an older (and better) looking format. Guse (talk) 00:13, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the revert! in the future, I recommend warning him on his talk page using the warnings at WP:UTM. I have now warned him with {{uw-vand1}}. Greeves ^{(talk • contribs)} 02:42, 17 March 2008 (UTC)

Addiction

I notice that there is no section on the addictive qualities of these games and players who become addicted and the impact it has on their social lives, etc. I'm planning on adding a section on that, not sure if any information on that phenomena has been ever introduced.Mysteryquest (talk) 07:20, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia already has an article on video game addiction, so little if anything needs to be added about the subject here - although short comment of a sentence or two mentioning the other article may be appropriate here. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:22, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Adding link (external links) or mention to massivemultiplayer.com

Massivemultiplayer's content provides a structured fingerprint of dozens mmorpg online communities, news portals and fanpages. The site has been updated regulary for over 3 years and is visited by many regular visitors who look for uncommon informational sources. Link: http://www.massivemultiplayer.com 87.162.66.249 (talk) 16:35, 24 March 2008 (UTC) drakewl

"massively"?

Shouldn't the word be "massive" ? Dexter_prog (talk • contribs • count) @ 23:06, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it should. How do you change the title of an article and is there an easy way to change all the strings 'Massively Multiplayer' into 'Massive Multiplayer'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by OVRKLL (talk • contribs) 15:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Massive is grammatically correct, however Massively is the more common usage. The article title should remain as-is. - MrOllie (talk) 16:00, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

Wow, I was wondering about "massively" too. It's gramatically incorrect as "massively" is an adverb which means it modifies a verb but MMPORG is a noun and not a verb so the first M should be "massive" and not "massively". Poor hacker command of Engish grammar? Perhaps.71.146.7.143 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 19:29, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

"Massively" is not the common usage. Massive is. It should be changed back. http://runescape.com/ Behold, one of the most popular MMORPG website... Look at the heading, "Runescape, the massive online adventure game by Jagex ltd." --Ghost109 (talk) 17:40, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

And World of Warcraft, the most popular MMO uses "Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game". Example 1Example 2. As far as common usage goes, Google shows 801,000 hits for "Massively" and 403,000 hits for "Massive". And if we look at it grammatically, "massively" is indeed an adverb, one that modifies the adjective "multiplayer". Wyatt Riot (talk) 18:10, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

World of Warcraft is not the most popular; while it does have the most subscribers to their game Runescape has more players due to the F2P option. And in response to the google search... Here's some AOL search results: [1] 186,000 results for massive compared to the [2] 170,000 for massively. And as the anonymous user a few replies above said: "It's gramatically incorrect as "massively" is an adverb which means it modifies a verb but MMPORG is a noun and not a verb so the first M should be "massive" and not "massively"." Ghost109 (talk) 23:29, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Even MrOllie up there who believes it should be "massively" said that "massive" was gramatically correct. That's 1-0 in favor of "massive," the question is which is used more often? I believe it's "massive." Ghost109 (talk) 23:31, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Actually, MrOllie is incorrect. In this instance, "massively" is modifying the word "multiplayer", not "game" or "role-playing game" or "online role-playing game". Adverbs do not only modify verbs, but other adjectives as well. Trust me, I have a degree in English. Wyatt Riot (talk) 00:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Isn't "multiplayer" an absolute adjective? Why would you modify an adjective that has no degree? That's like saying "very complete," or "very dead." There's also one thing, the links you listed to prove "massively" correct do just the opposite. While the first indeed shows about 800,000 hits for "massively" the seconds shows over 1,000,000 hits for "massive." Ghost109 (talk) 01:22, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

"Multiplayer" can indeed be modified; for example, consider "minutely multiplayer" (more than 1 but less than a dozen, depending on your definition of "minute") or even "infinitely multiplayer" (no limit). (Notice the "-ly" forms in these adverbs as well.) And something funny is going on with the links. Google is now showing me 893,000 results for "massively" and 430,000 for "massive" while AOL (which you linked) shows me 184,000 for "massively" and 168,000 for "massive". Unusual because we're getting different results and (at least in my case) the results are changing from search to search. Wyatt Riot (talk) 02:42, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

"Minutely multiplayer?" Honestly I've never heard of that before. But "massive/ly" refers to the size of something, not the number of something. And yeah, seems like Google is messing up. The same search that produced 1,300,000 sometimes only produces 1,100,000. 24.184.206.83 (talk) 19:37, 23 June 2008 (UTC) (forgot to log in) Ghost109 (talk) 19:41, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Hey! I realized what you did! In the two results you showed me, you purposely used quotation marks in the google search for "massive," to make it look like "massively" returned more results. Without the quotes, Massive Online role-playing game returns over 2.3 million results, compared to the 980,000 results for "Massively." Should I believe you or the 1 million+ people that disagree? Result for "massive" Results for "massively" Ghost109 (talk) 23:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

I put quotes around the entire phrase in both searches so that it looks for that entire string of words and not, say, an article about role-playing games that happens to contain the words "massively" or "massive" and "online". I tried removing the quotes and I still get 3,020,000 results for "massively" and 1,160,000 results for "massive". Clearly something is awry in Search World if we're getting such drastically different results. Wyatt Riot (talk) 01:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

OK, so the problem you're having here is that you don't actually know where the term "massive" or "massively" came from. Very few people do, in fact, but luckily for you I'm one of them. Contrary to popular belief, it wasn't Richard Garriott's idea; rather, it was Clement Chambers'. Here's the story. So, Clement Chambers ran a company called "on-line" which was the UK operator of a number of online games including Air Warrior. He was talking to the EA marketing people about one of these games (I think it was Air Warrior II, but I could be mistaken), and at the end of the call they asked him if he had a good way of describing the kind of game that UO was going to be. They figured it was a multi-player game, but so were games like Doom. Was there a better way of describing UO that differentiated it from other multi-player games? What kind of multi-player game was it? Clem, who has something of a gift for marketing, described it as a "massively multi-player" game. UO liked it and used it. Somehow along the line it became attached to Richard Garriott. The reason I know this is because Clem used the phrase on me about 3 weeks later and I said I liked it; he then described where it came from. Other people in his office, who had heard the phone call, confirmed the story without prompting. Everyone thought it was a good turn of phrase. So the answer is that it's "massively" multi-player, not "massive" mutliplayer, because it's an adverb applying to the way in which the games are multi-player, not an adjective describing their size. RichardBartle (talk) 23:14, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

"Massively multiplayer" does not sound right. Is Runescape a Massively Multiplayer online role-playing game, or a Massive Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game? Which one sounds better? Is a MORPG massive or massively? Massive MORPG, or massively MORPG. Runescape starts out with two users, it is a MORPG. Then Runescape gets 100000 users in some time, it becomes bigger, it becomes massive, it is not a Regular MORPG, it is a Massive MORPG. Massive Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Game. Androo123 (talk) 03:07, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Sounding right really has nothing to do with it. Plenty of sentences sound strange yet are grammatically correct. Wyatt Riot (talk) 11:10, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

I've never heard it as "massively", that sounds wrong coming from common usage since it's too much to type. Source it or change it back please.169.237.214.145 (talk) 16:21, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Refs?

There are many places in the article where references have not been added, some of which have not even been tagged with ^{[citation needed]} as needed. I have begun to tag them, and have added a reference, and plan to add more. The rest need to be fixed. --Shruti14 ^{t c s} 17:09, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

also, this ref 'Indystar on game addiction' (number 9) no longer points to a webpage Lovefist233 (talk) 07:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Media Section

Should this page have a media section to reflect the mainstream coverage mmos now get such as Age of Conan?

Is there a wiki resource for external mmo sites such as mmorpg.com, thirteen1.com, etc etc? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gamernut (talk • contribs) 20:15, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Adding a link, and or mention of MMORPG-X.COM in the External Links section

Dear Editors,

May I mention to put www.mmorpg-x.com link to the external links category, since it is one of the most informative mmorpg news portal, community and free mmorpgs toplist.

Thanks, Admin —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ggot (talk • contribs) 13:26, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

MMORPG's in Popular culture?

Should we include this section? I can at least think of one - NCIS episode The Immortals —Preceding unsigned comment added by Munchman (talk • contribs) 16:05, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

absolutely. very good idea. --Steve, Sm8900 (talk) 16:07, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Added section. It needs expanding though. munchman | talk; 16:37, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

It seems to have been deleted. munchman | talk; 12:19, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Player-created content

I'd like to see more content and discussion on Player-created content (buildings, landscape, etc) and Crafting (Items, etc) for MMORPGs such as ATITD, Eve, Asheron's Call, Ultima Online and others.

Part of it is discussed under: /Massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_game#Trends_as_of_2008

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.223.6.93 (talk) 22:31, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Unfair lack of runescape

It's smaller, but not so much smaller that others can be said (and linked so often, isn't there supposed to be a link on the first one only?

And at one point, it mentions Runescape RWT (gone btw), and a further bit of that has been removed. 86.150.226.157 (talk) 13:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

The article isn't intended as an exhaustive list of MMORPGs, but a summary of what an MMORPG is. I'm not against bringing up Runescape in the article, but what in particular do you think is missing? Tarinth (talk) 16:34, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Currently active MMORPG lists?

Any thoughts of adding a list of currently active MMORPG to this article that have been running for at least 5 years since the public release? 71.163.118.65 (talk) 23:50, 24 August 2008 (UTC)