User talk:Taharqa

protection

hey how do u go about getting a page protected. I want to get the Mali Empire page protected. There isn't that much in my opinion that can be done to make it any better (no bragging intended...just opinion) and the article seems more likely to go down than improve because of careless edits of uninformed ppl. If Wikipedia has a success story...this is it. I think it might need semi-protection. the article i read on wiki protection policy wasn't that helpful. holla back as soon as you can. i know ur busy. ONE.Scott Free 15:52, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Thnx bro for the quick reply. knew i could count on uScott Free 18:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Just put in the request. thnx for ur help. this is what I put below...

====Mali Empire (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)====

Semi-Protection or full if appropriate - this page has been vandalized over 12 times in the last 6 months. It has a history of being vandalized by unregistered IP addresses. As of late there are also many careless edits being made to the page seriously undermining the progress that has been made in the last year. The article is currently graded GA and it is at risk of going lower if something is not done. ThnkU 4 ur Time.Scott Free 18:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

hope that worksScott Free 18:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Race and ancient Egypt

Taharqa, I am proposing a discussion about Race and ancient Egypt. Please, participate! I believe we can reach a very good compromise if we want.--Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka 07:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Please Taharqa, react to my proposal of creating a new section as a way of resolving the actual conflit. We have to trust each other!--Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka 08:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Taharqa, I saw your messages. About the incriminated article, I tougth that it was enough showing to the man who edited it that his fraud is known to make him change his mind! Now, these people who are introducing non-specialist voices in the article are not realising that the article must quote only notable scholars. To say that the article is afrocentric is just a global criticism. They might find particular point to refute. Your responses are very clear about that. Anyway, ancient Egypt is an African civilisation.--Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka 19:03, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Taharqa! I will try to quote Cheikh Anta Diop and Basil Davidson from books in the section Alleged Eurocentrism in Egyptology. I hope that this time Zerida and others are not going to mix things in the section Ancient writers.--Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka 13:19, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

^Yep, I left a message on his page and concur, I feel that the first one was too rushed as more info has piled up after.Taharqa 22:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Taharqa, it is only now that I have noticed your message. Sorry! Yes, that man is very much confused! He ignores the directions of migrations inside Africa. He ignores the formation of the berber people who are a mix, and this is reflected in their languages, of indegenous Africans and invaders speaking Indo-European languages. At this time, the Egyptian civilisation was already in place. And this civilisation started in the south. Northen Egypt was under water at the beginning of the Egyptian Nation. Herodotus speaks of a king of Egypt who peformed deviation of waters to build a city in the north of Egypt. Waset (Thebes), the city of power, is in Upper Egypt. The first nome of Egypt is tA Set = Nubia! This are simple facts. Another thing: What Herodotus said about the Egyptians, "they have black skin and wooly hair", Diodorus of Sicily said it about the Ethiopians, "they have black skin, flat nose and wooly hair" (Bibliothèque historique, livre III, § VIII, 2). Herodotus spoke of the blackness of the Egyptians (Book II, 104). But the same Herodotus used the black to speak about the skin of the Southern Indians and the Ethiopians (Book III, 101). So what? Herodotus is right when he speaks about the Indians and the Ethiopians, and wrong when he speaks about the Egyptians?--Lusala lu ne Nkuka Luka 22:10, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you

For the intervention in my behalf and for your support. Very appreciated.--Ramdrake 22:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Kora and Kaabu

add away by all means, bruh! i've been lax on my west african pages and glad some1 is keepin an eye on em. still stompin thru the "heart of darkenss" over here. thnx for the contrib and ur vigilance. btw, how did those articles work out for u? holla back...Scott Free 18:40, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I was wondering what happened with that (protection of Mali empire). guess we'll just have to keep up our guardianship, lol. no prob tho. Scott Free 18:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

I was talking about the articles i sent you (the JSTOR joints). was wondering how those worked out for u.Scott Free 19:45, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

New Articles

yeah making new articles is pretty easy. u already know most of the edit stuff already. easiest way to start an article is to do a search for it. Assuming the article doesn't alreayd exist, you will be brought to a page with a list of similarly titled articles. At the top, above the list, you will see the subject you looked for in red. click it and you will be brought to a blank page.

start your article from there. Scott Free 19:49, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit summary

This edit summary is inappropriate, Taharqa, as I'm sure you know. Please do not accuse other users of being supportive of websites like Stormfront without very good proof. I hope you'll consider apologizing. Picaroon (t) 20:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. My guiding principle on such controversial articles is to just write about what other people have already said with as few adjectives as possible. Picaroon (t) 21:53, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Cataracts in Jenne

"How credible would you say this assertion is, is it verifiable, and should I feel confident in incorporating the information into the article (on Djenne)? It is cited here (Link) and also claimed in Ivan Van Sertima's book, "Afrikans in Science". Let me know if you have heard anything about this. Peace.."

Whazup, T. I would never use playahata.com as a source, because it rarely says where it's info is coming from. That doesn't mean they are wrong. Most of their info from what I can tell is legit if only a bit sensational. Van Sertima is not a bad source (he's not the best either). I found an excert from another one of his books where he talks about cataract surgery being done in Jenne. I've provided the link to it on googlebooks below...

• http://books.google.com/books?id=ea-dgkryq7AC&pg=PA8&lpg=PA8&dq=jenne+cataract+surgery&source=web&ots=GQRjzdwPIU&sig=lbHECCBv_npdvnuE3p0wifbmjHI#PPA8,M1

If and when you include this bit of info (the cataract surgery), you can footnote it as follows

I checked out the website for transaction publishers to see if they were flaky or serious. They are, in my opinion, a publisher of repute and specialize in scholarly work. Eurocentrist are gonna bitch for using Van Sertima as a source, but its better than nothing. It's common knowledge that ancient greeks, egyptians and parts of sub-saharan africa (http://www.healthpages.co.nz/index.php?option=com_mtree&task=viewlink&link_id=70684&Itemid=4) did these kind of procedures. The procedure was called "couching" (http://www.healthline.com/galecontent/extracapsular-cataract-extraction).

Hope that's helped. I strongly urge you to include that data. Just make sure to put it into context. Holla.Scott Free 21:32, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Not a problem, cousin. Peace..Scott Free 21:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Gotta be startin somethin

What's happenin, kinfolk. I just finished to a mini-makeover of the Ashanti Empire page. I'd appreciate it if you could take a quick scan over it when u get the time. Spent a couple hours on it last night moving stuff from my Asanteman article (which is now a redirect to Ashanti Empire) into it. I also took a good bit of stuff from the Ashanti Empire page and moved it the Ashanti page. I think that'll satisfy every 1 for the time being. Thnx for having my back on the discussion board. Holla back after u take a swing thru the page. Holla.Scott Free 16:51, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

No problem..Taharqa 17:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Empires

Whassup, bruh. Hope u remembered to where black yesterday. Yo I know u don't wanna be bugged everytime I start a new article, but I got one that I know u wanted to add to ur "Watch" list. I just started a new article called African Empires. And it is exactly what it sounds like. There is a page for list of largest empires, and that kind of served as the inspiration for the article. I can't organize the list by size just yet cuz I only know the sizes of about a handful of states (Fatimid Empire seems to be the largest ever). I've confined the list only to actual empires. That means that the people who ran the state controlled 2 or more peoples distinct from themselves. They also had to be formed by indigenous or permanent residents of the continent. Plus their capital had to be on the contient as well. Despite how advanced or well known some kingdoms were (Dahomey, Ndongo, etc) they don't make the list cuz they were too localized. Just wanted to hip you to the page. Get back at me when u can and keep up all the good work ur doin. Let me know or simply post on the page any empires I forgot. I cut off the list at 1900. Holla.Scott Free 23:09, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Hey, bro. won't make that mistake again :) thnks for catchin the kushite empire. can't believe i forgot that. take care...Scott Free 23:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

Black people

I inserted Arab World because you do not mention the Arab gulf's involvement which was more extreme. I think a lot is pseculation and unwarranted, such as the following- "generally Arabs are fonder of black females." This doesn't sound good to me at all. It degrades black men and the black slaves that were violated against their will by Arab men, as occured in the USA and Europe. However, I left it for your sake. Blair76 02:32, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

You should also mention in the article the Blacks in places like Dubai and the Gulf states. There are many black people there and I have yet to see any mention of this. Blair76 02:37, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

whats up?

I know it's been a while, I just wanted to see what's up with you. I happen to be reading some stuff about the African influence on African-American culture. This is my planned reading list:

• Leroi Jones - Blues People: Negro Music in White America
• Herskovits - The Myth of the Negro Past
• Joseph E. Holloway - Africanisms in American Culture
• Sidney W. Mintz - The Birth of African-American Culture: An Anthropological Perspective

Any comments/suggestions? Peace, --Urthogie 00:19, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm actually reading Blues People right now and it's really good, but I think he makes some serious errors in his history of slavery and the colonial period in general. Here's an example of one I just found:

"First of all, we know that of all the peoples who form the heterogenous yet almost completely homogenous mass that makes up the United States population, Negroes are the only descendants of people who were not happy to come here."

What about the indentured servants like huge amounts of Irish, right? I guess the good parts of this book are the unique contributions he offers in regards to the history of black music, even if he does make mistakes on the broader historical context at times... Did you notice errors like this when you read him?--Urthogie 03:03, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

heh, I guess that's giving him the benefit of the doubt big time. Then again, I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt by reading him despite a lot of his "controversial" comments about Jews. (check out his article :)). Aside from stuff related to black culture, what other fields are you interested in learning about?--Urthogie 04:58, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

Blaming Jews for their involvement in the slave trade is merely an expression of anti-semitism, not the source of it. I happen to have a book open right now that makes the following statement:

"During the antebellum era, Jews owned fewer slaves than free blacks owned and fewer even than American Indians owned. Most Jewish immigrants arrived in the United States years after slavery had been abolished, and most arrived without enough money to buy a single slave, even had slavery still existed."

The footnotes for this statement are immense:

"See, for example, Saul S. Friedman,/ Jews and the American Slave Trade (New Brunswick, N.J. transaction Publishers, 1998), p. 217; David Brion Davis, In the Image of God: Religion, Moral Values, and Our Heritage of Slavery (New Haven:Yale University Press, 2001), p. 71; Larry Koger, Slaveowners: Free Black Masters in South Carolina, 1790-1860 (Columbia, S.C.: University of South Carolina Press, 1995); David C. Rankin, "The Impact of the Civil War on the Free Colored Community of New Orleans,' Perspectives in American History,Vol. XI (1977-78), pp. 380, 385;Willard B. Gatewood, Aristocrats of Color: The Black Elite, 1880-1920 (Bloomington: Indiana University Press, 1990), p. 83; Ira Berlin, Slaves without Masters (New York: Pantheon Books, 1974), pp. 124, 386; Eugene D. Genovese,"The Slave States of North America," Neither Slave Nor Free: The Freedmen of African Descent in the Slave Societies of the New World (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 1972), edited by David W. Cohen and Jack P. Greene, pp. 270; Philip D. Morgan, "Black Life in Eighteenth-Century Charleston," Perspectives in American History, New Series,Vol. I (1984), p. 212; Bernard E. Powers,Jr.,Black Charlestonians.A Social History, 1822-1885 (Fayetteville: University of Arkansas Press, 1994), pp. 48-50,72."

If the slave-trade were the issue, then why isn't prejudice directed against Arabs or American-Indians? I think the real source of the anti-semitism in the black community is the fact that, like the Korean shop owners, they have succeeded despite being different from the majority. It's basically a way of saying "we're the true victims", etc...

Anyways, I took this book by Baraka out of the library knowing already that this guy hates white people and Jews...(For more info on his comments, check out the ADL page on him)

I think that it is a great book despite that, because it is regarded as one of the best histories of blues music, and on a larger level, the influence of African culture on African-Americans. So, basically, this guy is pretty racist and an anti-semite to boot, but he's a great writer.

You still didn't answer my question though... aside from black culture what are your main scholarly interests or pursuits?--Urthogie

The word anti-Semitic is used not because it refers to Semitic peoples or languages, but because of plain history. The word was invented by Germans who hated Jews, and weren't thinking about Arabs or Ethiopians. Only in modern times has the confusion arisen where people think it has anything to do with the language group called Semites. If Jews could think up their own word for hatred of Jews we might use something like Anti-Jewish, but it's not our fault that another word has been popularized by other people who hate us. (For more info on the word see its article's etymology section). Like I said, minor reasons like this have nothing to do with Nation of Islam's antisemitism... it goes deeper than that I think.

I'm studying biochemistry, but earlier in college was I was studying journalism. I worked at an internship at the Village Voice this past summer, which was pretty cool. We made some investigations which revealed some criticizing info about Giuliani.

Also, I forgot to mention that I happen to be taking a class on pre-Colonial Africa in college right now, and so far we've learned about the empire of Mali and read the Sundiata epic. Our teacher actually briefly mentioned the Black Africa controversy and he appears to be ambivalent about the whole thing, while leaning a bit towards your point of view. He says it doesn't really matter though that much because they're all on the same continent, and that the "true negro" thing is a false dichotomy.--Urthogie 14:43, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Franco-Dahomean Wars

What's good, bruh. I just finished two articles on the Franco-Dahomean Wars. As I'm sure u already know, these articles are about the conflict between the French Third Republic and the Kingdom of Dahomey. Very interesting reading. Peep the articles when u get a second (First Franco-Dahomean War and Second Franco-Dahomean War). i'm pretty proud of these joints. Oh and thnx for ur for on the African Empires page. I still haven't got all the nuances of inline citations down just yet. Take care and keep up the good work!  :) Scott Free 13:15, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Black people

Hello! AS you may know I had protected Black people for a maximum of 2 weeks but since the protection, I have seen no further discussion. Was there a consensus reach or simply it was a brief dispute? If there is no continuation of the debate, I will unprotect the article tomorrow night as it has been protected for another issue just last week. Thanks!--JForget 22:30, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Sounds reasonable. Could you in the meantime restore the second Keita study in the Black people article so we don't have to go through the same ordeal in two articles at the same time? The article could certainly use a break from the debate when there's a separate article about it. — Zerida 07:12, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Yes, my frustration is probably showing because it's been going on for a while, but Jeeny's constant disruption is not helping either. I've left a response for you on the main article's talk page, and will continue this later. Cheers, — Zerida 08:01, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Taharqa, I hope you realize it's quite obvious that this edit [1] was yours. I haven't responded to your comments about that study yet, so I left a message for Egyegy as well. I will respond to you later as I mentioned. — Zerida 09:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

So I've restored Keita (1992) to the Black people article since you restored Davidson. We need to keep things evenly balanced like we did with Snowden earlier. I've tried to make different changes to that section, and you reverted most of them. I hope we've gone past that now. — Zerida 06:54, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

What? Jeeny's disruption? How come you do not talk to me on MY page, but behind my back? You have an agenda, and I can see it very well. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and had no predudice towards you one bit. But, your behavior is really troubling and your "buddies" too. I know it when I see it. I am a fair person, believe it or not. I can see both sides. But, I will not be on the side of abusers, such as yourself and Energy, lantermix, et. al.Jeeny 07:08, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Taharqa, I changed it to "which was predominant in Abydos until the First dynasty of Egypt." That's more in line with the findings. But I think we should delete "black" in "black or Africoid", since as you know Keita doesn't make such distinctions. I'm glad this is working out otherwise. — Zerida 07:24, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

what would reflect more accurately, grammar-wise is "by first dynasty times". I just saw the change and that works for me too. Thanks, — Zerida 14:20, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Taharqa, on second thought, I looked at it again, and it actually gives the impression that it became predominant by the First Dyansty. Do you see where the confusion lies? This suggests that the Africoid pattern progressively increased from a non-Africoid one, reaching predominance by Dyn. 1. I therefore changed it to "in" to avoid elaborating further, since the rest of the quote is in the footnote. I hope this works. Also, I re-added some of the material back into the main article, but didn't bother with those parts that were not restored since they don't seem to be important to anyone. — Zerida 02:05, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm disappointed that you are still reverting despite our previous consensus. Here is the version of the article that we agreed to [2]. This part was only deleted after the "Stormfront" edit war, which had nothing to do with it. I guess I should've anticipated that much. — Zerida 04:59, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Please engage in discussion at Talk:Race and ancient Egypt

I am trying to further discussions on Talk:Race and ancient Egypt and it would be very helpful if you would respond and add input. Wikidudeman ^(talk) 23:09, 29 September 2007 (UTC)

Re: IP

IP has been reblocked. nat^tang 07:54, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

We need you

Please see [3] and sign your name so we can get this article to FA. Can you help a bit? I know you're busy and working on other articles, which is great, but we need you. Jeeny ^(talk) 05:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Oyo Empire

Had to show some love to my Yoruba brothas and sistas (I know so many of them in Texas) and rework this article. I had no idea how great the Oyo Empire was. Truly a bada$$ African empire if there ever was one. I'd like u to add it to your watchlist as i've put a hell of a lot of effort into it. Maybe as much as i did with the Mali Empire page. I'm talking 136 references from my personal library using five different books. I also got permission from Brown University to use a map of the Oyo Empire that had online. I just wish I knew where to get some more images to compliment this baby. Check it out when u can and keep up the good work. Btw, need any new PDFS? I'll be at the library later today. Holla.Scott Free 18:58, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

You helped choose African American culture as this week's WP:ACID winner

CJ 10:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Cheers!!Taharqa 16:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Spelling

Hi,

Thanks for all your good editing work! Please do be careful with spellings, though. On 27th August you edited Marcus Garvey with the edit comment 'spelling'. You altered 'Penetentiary' to 'Penitentiary', which was indeed a spelling error; however, you also changed 'Councillor' (a member of a council) to 'Counselor' (a person who gives advice), and 'reinterred' (buried again) to 'reentered' (entered again). In both cases the original spelling was what was meant.

I notice when I'm typing this that Firefox is indeed telling me that "Councillor" and "reinterred" are misspelled (they should perhaps in US English be 'Councilor' and 're-interred'); but when you correct spellings please make sure that the word you're changing it to has the same meaning as the one you're changing it from!

Thanks, TSP 12:12, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Hawass comment

Can you E-mail me the full text of the article where Hawass is commenting on King Tut? Thanks. Wikidudeman ^(talk) 13:28, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

3RR on dab

Greetings,

I have struck my comments as the report now is correctly formatted and shows the violation. The admins are really backlogged on this sort of thing and reports that are frivolous (which yours appeared to be initially) only make things worse. My initial comments were not ambiguous as they clearly stated what your report showed. I did a quick check and while there were reverts, there were also other changes. Your modified report clearly shows the issue now. That is what they are looking for. Spryde 16:13, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Almost blocked

See my messages on Jeeny and Egyegy's pages. You didn't revert as much as those two, so this is only a (hopefully) stern warning instead of a block, but be aware that every time there is an edit war, the number of reverts per participant matters less and less and the number of times they've done it before matters more and more. I've also protected the article. Picaroon (t) 03:31, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Blocked for edit warring. Please refer to this incident report at the ANI. Thanks. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 04:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Edit warring? In the past 24 hours, I've made 2 (not even 3, let alone 4) reverts, and one edit that had nothing to do with them. Then you decide to implement some 1RR after the fact, when we've been begging for intervention from the start, not to mention the overt bias in letting your fellow admins get away with much worse with out as much as even a warning.[4].. Either this is a joke, or merely irresponsible, power hungry administrating. Either way, I do not care and am glad that the page is protected. Undermining Picaroon's discretion in not blocking me (since obviously it was the most sensible action, or non-action given this circumstance) in my opinion indicates that you simply needed to flex some muscle, which is understandable since having such power with merely one mouse click is kind of exhilarating I'd suppose. Though in this case it seems like an overcompensation for the simple fact that this block is ridiculous and baseless. But I'm not going to whine and moan about it, it's just kind of funny.. Thanx anyways Picaroon, and I promise in the future to heed your advice about 3rr not applying in the midst of an edit war. I hope that the 1RR is a rule applicable to that page as I do agree that it would be better than a protect.Taharqa Taharqa 04:36, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

No 'power hungry' and no 'flexing any muscle' Taharqa. I am glad you agree w/ 1RR. -- FayssalF - ^{Wiki me up®} 23:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)