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== The Beatles and Elvis ==

I've been a bit bold and added a bit about the time they met. It was a unique meeting and it gives some perspective to their story, particularly regarding Presley's Nixon meeting (what pills he'd been popping is anyone's guess. I mean Presley - not Nixon...). I think the anecdote about "I Feel Fine" is a good example of Paul's - and The Beatles' - humour. More could be added, but this is the Beatles article, not Presley's. [[User:Rikstar|Rikstar]] ([[User talk:Rikstar|talk]]) 10:33, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

:I think it's a little too much in this article as it is, especially the long quote from McCartney.--[[User:Andreasegde|andreasegde]] ([[User talk:Andreasegde|talk]]) 11:42, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

::I agree, and have edited it.[[User:Rikstar|Rikstar]] ([[User talk:Rikstar|talk]]) 08:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Former members ==

I listing all members as 'former members' in teh [sic] infox. Please refer to this and see that I am right in doing so: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Infobox_Musical_artist#Past_members [[User:TomGreen|Tom Green]] ([[User talk:TomGreen|talk]]) 15:07, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
:Regardless of the '''''advice''''' in the template, there is longstanding consensus here that we continue to list the four main members as current. It has been discussed on at least three occasions, and I invite you to discuss the matter again here before making that change. --[[User:Rodhullandemu|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000FF">Rodhull</span>]][[User_talk:Rodhullandemu|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#FF0000">andemu</span>]] 15:11, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
::One of those old discussions is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Infobox_Musical_artist/Archive_3#Defunct_musical_groups [[User:Steelbeard1|Steelbeard1]] ([[User talk:Steelbeard1|talk]]) 15:26, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
::And, for completeness, the others are [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Beatles/Archive_14#.22Active_Members.22 here] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:The_Beatles/Archive_17#former.2F_current_members here], the last one no more than four months ago. --[[User:Rodhullandemu|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#0000FF">Rodhull</span>]][[User_talk:Rodhullandemu|<span style="font-family:Verdana;color:#FF0000">andemu</span>]] 15:35, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
So to sum it all up, in the history of the group since they began calling themselves The Beatles in 1960, there have been six members total. The group was originally John Lennon, Paul McCartney, George Harrison, Stuart Sutcliffe and Pete Best. Sutcliffe left in 1961 and Best was sacked in 1962 in favour of Ringo Starr before the group recorded their first record for Parlophone, "Love Me Do." The group's lineup from their first record in 1962 to the formal breakup in 1970 was stable and consisting of John, Paul, George and Ringo. That's why they are listed as "Members" and why Stu and Pete are listed as "Former members." [[User:Steelbeard1|Steelbeard1]] ([[User talk:Steelbeard1|talk]]) 15:46, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::No individual is currently a member of The Beatles, as the band is defunct. The infobox is aimed at the casual reader for at-a-glance FACTS. [[User:TomGreen|Tom Green]] ([[User talk:TomGreen|talk]]) 09:04, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

::::::::I think that we should follow the general consensus, and change the guidelines if necessary. Otherwise this argument will just go on and on and on. [[Special:Contributions/81.157.70.54|81.157.70.54]] ([[User talk:81.157.70.54|talk]]) 10:40, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Actually we ''have'' been following the general consensus for a long time, and the consensus has not changed. But a few editors occasionally feel the need to stir things up again. [[User:Ward3001|Ward3001]] ([[User talk:Ward3001|talk]]) 16:27, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

"Former members" relates to ''a group that still work together''. If you could communicate with Lennon and tell him that he is a "former member", he would say, "Up yours! I ''was'' The Beatles!". :))--[[User:Andreasegde|andreasegde]] ([[User talk:Andreasegde|talk]]) 21:21, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:If you want to communicate with Lennon, become a Lennonist like me. It's the best religion ever - John comes to you in your dreams! [[User: Densock|'''<em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:#999FFF">Den</em><em style="font-family:Bradley Hand ITC;color:Gainsboro">sock</em>''']]|<small>[[User talk:Dendodge|Dendodge]]</small><sup>in public</sup> 11:48, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

== One billion records ==

I highly doubt that this is an accurate figure. Is there a more reliable source that we can reference to back-up this claim? If not, I think this figure should be removed. If this figure is indeed accurate, it should be easy to find another, more reliable source. [[User:Littlealien182|<font size="+1">''Ł''</font>ittle<font size="+1">''Ä''</font>lien¹<sup>8</sup>²]] (<sub>[[User talk:Littlealien182|talk]]</sub>\<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Littlealien182|contribs]]</sup>) 08:41, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

:A google search on '+"Beatles"+"billion records"' turns up many references, some of which credit EMI as the source, although I haven't found EMI itself saying so. I think the source used is as good as any, but it can always be replaced with another one.

:But why do you doubt it? [[User:Cfortunato|Carlo]] ([[User talk:Cfortunato|talk]]) 13:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

::I guess after doing some more research, this claim becomes slightly more believable. I found, on [http://classicrock.about.com/od/bandsandartists/p/beatles.htm About.com], the following explanation: "When you add up all of the Beatles albums, singles, CDs, and videos that have ever been sold, the total surpasses 1-billion." This seems to be more plausible than the "one-billion-record-sales" claim, since the Beatles had dozens of singles and videos, and this new explanation takes into account singles and video sales. What do you think? Should we add this explanation to the article and replace the old reference with the About.com article? [[User:Littlealien182|<font size="+1">''Ł''</font>ittle<font size="+1">''Ä''</font>lien¹<sup>8</sup>²]] (<sub>[[User talk:Littlealien182|talk]]</sub>\<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Littlealien182|contribs]]</sup>) 19:09, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

:::"Records" includes albums and singles, so there is nothing ambiguous in the article. Videos likely are a small proportion of the sales, as the video age came long after The Beatles broke up. [[User:Ward3001|Ward3001]] ([[User talk:Ward3001|talk]]) 19:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Recreational drug use ==

I think The Beatles' drug use is grossly understated here. Drugs played a rather large part in their story. They were all pill poppers in the early years. Following the time that they were introduced to marijuana, all were complete stoners, and they've admitted as much in many interviews, including for The Beatles Anthology. The "occasionally in the car during the filming of Help!" is better described as "every day potsmokers." Except for Ringo, they were all arrested at least once for marijuana (Paul as late as 1980). As for harder drugs, in the middle 60s, John and George, at least, took acid frequently, John virtually every day. John also dabbled with cocaine and heroin. So, I would say this section is not really accurate.

[[Special:Contributions/67.214.17.208|67.214.17.208]] ([[User talk:67.214.17.208|talk]]) 05:52, 18 September 2008 (UTC) Rob

== Beatles on Ed Sullivan ==

Regarding The Beatles appearance on the Ed Sullivan Show, The Beatles Wiki page says Brian Epstein "persuaded" Sullivan to have the band on the show. According to a quote from Ringo Starr in the book Anthology, Sullivan booked the band on the spot when he and The Beatles arrived at Heathrow Airport at the same time. Sullivan saw the pandemonium The Beatles created and invited them on the show.[[User:Ohara1988|Ohara1988]] ([[User talk:Ohara1988|talk]]) 17:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

:No, I think maybe you misinterpreted something. They arrived Feb. 7, rehearsed Feb. 8, and appeared on the show Feb. 9. Things just don't happen that fast. I remember people talking about their upcoming appearance on Sullivan before Feb. 7. Can you post the quote from Ringo here so that we can see what he said? Thanks. [[User:Ward3001|Ward3001]] ([[User talk:Ward3001|talk]]) 20:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

If nobody here has noticed, the Ed Sullivan picture is in danger of being deleted due to NFCC 8 concerns. It seems to me that this portion of the article could be expanded a bit to add why the physical appearance of the Beatles on the show was so important, such that the image became visually required in order to understand the point. Anyone up to the task? <span style="font-family:Verdana; ">'''[[User:Howcheng|<span style="color:#33C;">howcheng</span>]]''' <small>{[[User talk:Howcheng|chat]]}</small></span> 04:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Let it Be ==

I read in the article [[The Beatles' line-ups]] that John Lennon left the band in 1969. Does this mean that when they recorded the [[Let it Be (song)|song]] and the album titled [[Let it Be]], that John was not with them?
--<font face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:Nick4404|Nick4404]] [[User talk:Nick4404|yada yada yada]] [[Special:Contributions/Nick4404|What have I done?]]</font> 17:38, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

:Please read the article [[The Beatles]] (associated with this talk page) for the answer. [[User:Ward3001|Ward3001]] ([[User talk:Ward3001|talk]]) 19:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

If for some reason you can't tell me the answer yourself, at least tell me what the subheading is. I don't feel like reading this entire article just for that bit of info. <font face="Comic Sans MS">[[User:Nick4404|Nick4404]] [[User talk:Nick4404|yada yada yada]] [[Special:Contributions/Nick4404|What have I done?]]</font> 18:30, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

:Then why ask the question in the first place? Talk about laz-eee...--[[Special:Contributions/212.241.64.236|212.241.64.236]] ([[User talk:212.241.64.236|talk]]) 20:26, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:The song and album were recorded in January 1969, before John "left" later that year (there was no official announcement however, for business reasons). --[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 20:33, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== 1969-1970 Let It Be project ==

After the near-disastrous sessions for the proposed Get Back album (later retitled Let It Be), Paul McCartney suggested to producer George Martin that the group get together and make an album "the way we used to"[5], free of the conflict that began with the sessions for The White Album; Martin agreed. In their interviews for the Beatles Anthology series, the surviving band members stated they knew at the time this would very likely be the final Beatles' product, and therefore they agreed to set aside their differences and "go out on a high note."
That "high note" was "Abbey Road" and was actually the Beatles last recorded album. "Let It Be" was recorded before Abbey Road but was released after Abbey Road because it took so long for Phil Spector to compile all the material containing on the tapes into a coherent album.

This passage (from the "Abbey Road" article and my own comments) should be inserted and into the main "The Beatles" article in the above subject after:
Most of the performance was filmed and later included in the film Let It Be.

The total passage is important to Beatles history and helps the reader to understand that "Abbey Road" was actually the Beatles last recorded album. "Let It Be" was recorded before Abbey but was released later because Spector took so long to compile all the material included in the tapes. The way the section is, it makes Abbey Road an afterthought. --[[User:Dcrasno|Dcrasno]] ([[User talk:Dcrasno|talk]]) 00:09, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:I have a couple of concerns. First and foremost, what are your sources? Additionally, there is some redundancy with material already in the article (e.g., the article already identifies ''Abbey Road'' as the final album). And what do you mean by "near-disastrous sessions"? I also have a problem with lifting word for word information from another article; a few words may be OK, but not this much. Otherwise, if you clean this up with regard to some of my concerns, it might work. Thanks. [[User:Ward3001|Ward3001]] ([[User talk:Ward3001|talk]]) 00:20, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

My intention was to inform a reader new to the Beatles who might read the group's history without reading the details of every album. The point is that with "Let it Be" the Beatles wanted to get back to their rock 'n' roll roots. After the "near-disastrous sessions" (Wiki's own descriptipn as a source) the band wanted to end their career with one more album with George Martin in the studio and their current style; "Abbey Road." Like I said, the original article makes Abbey Road sound like an afterthought instead of not just one of the best albums they did, but their swan song and their true last album. A new reader might not read the Abbey Road article and not know about this very crucial point in their history. --[[User:Dcrasno|Dcrasno]] ([[User talk:Dcrasno|talk]]) 15:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

:Your statement, "the surviving band members stated they knew at the time this would very likely be the final Beatles' product" is not true AT ALL. Watch the ''Anthology'' DVD and hear Ringo say that "nobody thought it [Abbey Road] was the last song, the last session". This is POV that is fed by journalists wanting to put a full stop to their cleaned-up version of history.--[[Special:Contributions/212.241.64.236|212.241.64.236]] ([[User talk:212.241.64.236|talk]]) 20:24, 6


October 2008 (UTC)
::But on that very same ''Anthology'' DVD, George Martin (hardly a POV pushing journalist) says, "everyone knew it would be the last"! --[[User:Pawnkingthree|Pawnkingthree]] ([[User talk:Pawnkingthree|talk]]) 20:37, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

again, the part re "the surviving members..." is not my statement- it's yours- from the Wiki "Abbey Road" article. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Dcrasno|Dcrasno]] ([[User talk:Dcrasno|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Dcrasno|contribs]]) 23:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== U.S. '''and''' U.K albums? ==

Is it really necessary to have separate pages for both the UK and US albums? I mean, they are the pretty much the same albums. Why two pages? These pages are unnecessary and should be one page. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/219.89.93.15|219.89.93.15]] ([[User talk:219.89.93.15|talk]]) 00:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Separate pages??? There is one page for [[The Beatles discography]], and if you take a look at it, you'll see that prior to the ''Help!'' album, UK and US albums were different. [[User:Ward3001|Ward3001]] ([[User talk:Ward3001|talk]]) 01:15, 10 October 2008 (UTC)Theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee BEATLEs ROck!

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