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== Repeating phrase ==

I count 13 times "9/11", maybe that is a bit off topic? [[User:83.254.213.190|83.254.213.190]] 00:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe this is due to 9/11 being a major event for Mr. MacFarlane? He almost was on the plane which hit the Twin Towers. The influence from that incident can be seen with examples from the show. [[User:Miranda|Miranda]] 10:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe it should be tested in the living persons biography guidelines? This isn't blogspot.[[User:Coloneldoctor|Coloneldoctor]] ([[User talk:Coloneldoctor|talk]]) 21:20, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
:::It does fit the guidelines of [[WP:BLP|BLP]]. '''[[User:Miranda|<font face="verdana"><font color="#007BA7">miranda</font></font>]]''' 23:48, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Don't see how its relevant. Almost *one third* of the article is about 9/11 in Family Guy, not Seth MacFarlane himself. In his own words, the experience "hasn't really affected me as maybe it could have," so I don't think it was a major occurrence for him, or at least not as major as the article seems to make out - something taking up a third of his entire entry! Also, is almost getting on a plane really a bigger life influence than actually being near Ground Zero at the time of the collapse of the towers, as tens of thousands were? While its an interesting anecdote, I think it's worth a sentence at most. {{unsigned|66.65.124.250}}

I agree with the two anonymous users: the long list of examples of 9/11 references to Family Guy are better suited for the Family Guy article, not on a biographical article that is only tangentially related. McFarlane isn't the sole writer of the show (I'm pretty sure), and even if he solely wrote the show, the controversy is again for the Family GUy article. [[User:Hbdragon88|hbdragon88]] ([[User talk:Hbdragon88|talk]]) 08:21, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, I agree with you Hbdragon. I think it should focus on Mr. MacFarlane's experience with 9/11, not FG's influence. Make it short and sweet. '''<font color="green" face="georgia">[[User:Miranda|Miranda]]</font>''' 10:20, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
The section is below. '''<font color="green" face="georgia">[[User talk:Miranda|Miranda]]</font>''' 16:57, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

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===Examples in ''Family Guy''===
[[Osama bin Laden]] was featured in [[Road to Rhode Island|an episode]] of ''Family Guy'', which aired more than a year before the 9/11 attacks. In a later interview for [[Maxim (magazine)|''Maxim'']] magazine, MacFarlane said that 9/11 would never be used as material for humor on ''Family Guy'' due to the experience. However, in the episode ''[[PTV (Family Guy)|PTV]]'', the episode begins with a mock of [[Osama bin Laden]] making a video message to America. In the episode, bin Laden does not mention 9/11, but instead a threat to America which is then mocked with "bloopers" and bin Laden making light of the situation, before being attacked by Stewie. However, the first gag to blatantly reference 9/11 was in the episode ''[[Airport '07]]''; Quagmire crash lands a plane and then Mayor West is informed while reading ''[[The Pet Goat|My Pet Goat]]'' to school children, an obvious reference to when [[U.S. President]] [[George W. Bush]] was informed of the 9/11 attacks. Two episodes later, in "[[No Meals on Wheels]]", 9/11 was mentioned again when Peter's restaurant couldn't air its "Sixth Sense"-themed commercial because the director was involved with 9/11. Then in the season 5 episode ''[[It Takes a Village Idiot, and I Married One]]'', Lois responds to all the questions she receives on her mayoral campaign by saying, "9/11".

In the ''Family Guy'' episode ''[[Boys Do Cry]]'', Brian and Stewie (both played by MacFarlane) leave a rural gas station while chuckling and mimicking a Middle-Eastern clerk; Stewie then remarks "If it weren't for 9/11, those guys would be adorable."

In an even more recent episode, ''[[Meet The Quagmires]]'', Brian travels back in time to the 1980s. A man challenges Brian to a fight, and 9/11 is mentioned once more when Brian tells the man to meet him for a fight in the [[World Trade Center]] at the exact time the attacks occurred (this scene is only shown on the Cartoon Network/Adult Swim airings, not on Fox).

As well as in season five, episode ''[[No Chris Left Behind]]'', 9/11 is brought up when Chris Griffin is kidnapped by his grandfather to join the ''[[Skull and Bones Society]]'' in order to make Chris more popular in his new school. After offering Chris to become a member, his grandfather remarks, “You’ll get your own stock portfolio, a percentage of the 9/11 victims fund and the best medical care on the planet..”

In a season 6 episode, [[Padre de Familia]], Brian and Peter argue about [[9/11]] and how it changed everything because of ''9/11 paranoia''. Brian also says that Peter didn't even know what 9/11 was until 2004.

== Cleanup and improvement ==

I cleaned up the article a bit. Sections 2 (2.1-2.3), 3, and 4 need [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] per [[WP:BLP]]. '''<font color="green" face="georgia">[[User talk:Miranda|Miranda]]</font>''' 20:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, I cleaned the whole article up. '''<font color="green" face="georgia">[[User talk:Miranda|Miranda]]</font>''' 18:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
::Great job. the article looks great. --[[User:Danlev|<font color="#339966">'''Dan Leveille'''</font>]][[User talk:Danlev|<sup><font color="#77BB99">'''TALK'''</font></sup>]] 09:00, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Thanks. [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 12:38, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

==Extraneous Information==
<i>".[3] He said his views were influenced by his gay cousin.[3] A family member had mentioned, "maybe there is a way [his cousin] can be cured". Angered, MacFarlane stated about the situation, "[that it is] fucking horrifying to hear [that] from someone [he] love[s]".[3]<i> This is Wikiganda. Statement about MacFarlane's pro-gay beliefs is enough. Possible acceptance of his cousin's influence, but the rest is either a political or personal statement.

Amended.[[User:Coloneldoctor|Coloneldoctor]] ([[User talk:Coloneldoctor|talk]]) 17:43, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

== GA Review ==

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Excellent article! Just a few small concerns and this can earn its GA status.
#The lead needs to conform to [[WP:LEAD]]. Specifically, it much touch upon all major points/headings in the article, which I do not feel that it does adequate justice to for an article of this size. A reader should be able to walk away from the lead with a basic idea of the article, without the specific details and formal flow of an actual article. The lead sort of touches on everything, but not enough for a read who only reads the lead to explain to someone else who Seth MacFarlane is. Obviously this sounds a little silly, since it's not too likely that someone is just going to read the lead, but it does need to be beefed up a bit.
#:{{done}} I think we have a proper lede now. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 08:53, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
#The first paragraph of "Science fiction and political donations" is very choppy, perhaps because it reads like a list of unassociated facts with little flow, or perhaps because his last name is used three times in as many sentences without a pronoun. In any case, the flow of that paragraph needs a little improvement.
#:{{done}} [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 03:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
#Because the last paragraph of "Speaking engagements" is only two sentences long, I can't tell if the end is too sudden or if the two sentence paragraph chops it up. I don't feel that it connects well with anything; it's rather stranded there in its current state and reads very awkwardly... I'm not sure if I could even tell you what to do with it though, so I won't hold it against you, but it's something to think about if you're going for FA.
#:This can make featured? Hmm...[[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 08:18, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
#::Well eventually if enough work was put into it. What I meant is that the subject of the article has the potential to make it. Cheers, [[User:Canadian Paul|CP]] 19:09, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
#Ref #9 and #56 are broken
#:{{done}} [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 03:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
#I'm not certain that Ref #29 can be used as a reference, not because it's not reliable, but more because of copyright issues with the video per [[WP:YOUTUBE]]? Same with Ref #31.
#:{{done}} I replaced the refs. [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 07:30, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
#Ref #43 doesn't appear to be formatted correctly
#:{{done}} [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 03:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Otherwise, this is one of the best articles I've reviewed! I am putting the article on hold for a period of up to seven days, after which it may be failed without further notice. Thank you for your work thus far. Cheers, [[User:Canadian Paul|CP]] 02:25, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seth_MacFarlane&diff=181316046&oldid=181308596 Fixed] concerns #2, #4, #6. Someone should test the audiolinks from archived Planet Family Guy.[http://web.archive.org/web/20060208051127/http://annieawards.com/33rdannieawardwinners.htm] I'm on dialup and can only confirm stuff starts downloading. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 03:12, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::The Annie Award link works. [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 03:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Oops, my mistake. The Planet Family Guy archive link is this one.[http://web.archive.org/web/20061111072115/http://www.planet-familyguy.com/pfg/features/407/SethMacFarlane/] / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 03:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it works. [http://www.planet-familyguy.com/pfg/files/features/seth2001/interviewl.rm Use this for the interview (Real Player)]. [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 03:32, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::For #3, I merged the sentences (one to the early life and the other to the personal life). Also, I fixed the lead a little, for #1. [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 04:31, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

===Ending===
One way to make the ending less choppy would be to move ''Speaking engagements'' to above ''Personal life''. This might mean crowding the images, since the ''Star Wars'' convention pic looks too weirdly somber to hang next to the 9/11 story. Bad idea or okay idea? Are there other plans for this section? / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 09:02, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:I kind of like the article's layout right now. Because, I like the pics not crowding each other (this would be an issue if the section were moved). Also, the "Personal Life" section opens the doors to what MacFarlane does when he's not at work. Plus, CP said that this was not an issue. [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 09:08, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
::Okay. I think I'm done. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 09:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Nice and fast work - and I even liked the ending more than I did the first time around. Anyhow, I shall now pass this as a Good Article. Congratulations, and thank you for your hard work! Cheers, [[User:Canadian Paul|CP]] 19:09, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
:What a nice start to the New Year! [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 20:13, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

== Automatic Bot Review and evaluation ==

===[[Seth MacFarlane]]===
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*<s>Please expand the lead to conform with guidelines at [[Wikipedia:Lead]]. The article should have an appropriate number of paragraphs as is shown on [[WP:LEAD]], and should adequately summarize the article.<sup>[[User:AndyZ/G#lead|[?]]]</sup></s> I think 2 paragraphs are enough.</s> The lead is ~32k. So, the lead fits 2-3 para. requirement. {{done}} [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 02:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

*Consider removing links that add little to the article or that have been repeated in close proximity to other links to the same article, as per [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (links)]] and [[WP:CONTEXT]]. Guides recommend having greater than 3% words in links, but be sure not to overlink words just to add more links.<sup>[[User:AndyZ/G#overlink|[?]]]</sup>

*<s>If this article is about a person, please add <code><nowiki>{{persondata|PLEASE SEE [[WP:PDATA]]!}}</nowiki></code> along with the required parameters to the article - see [[Wikipedia:Persondata]] for more information.<sup>[[User:AndyZ/G#persondata|[?]]]</sup></s>{{done}}

*<s>Per [[Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Units of measurement|Wikipedia:Manual of Style (numbers)]], there should be a non-breaking space - <code>&amp;nbsp;</code> between a number and the unit of measurement. For example, instead of ''3MM'', use ''3&nbsp;MM'', which when you are editing the page, should look like: <tt>3&amp;nbsp;MM</tt>.<sup>[[User:AndyZ/G#nbsp|[?]]]</sup></s>
:I don't see a unit of measurement? [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 02:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
*<s>Per [[Wikipedia:Only make links that are relevant to the context|Wikipedia:Context]] and [[Wikipedia:Build the web]], years with full dates should be linked; for example, if January 15, 2006 appeared in the article, link it as [[January 15]], [[2006]].<sup>[[User:AndyZ/G#linkdate|[?]]]</sup></s>
:Already {{done}} [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 02:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
*<s>The script has spotted the following contractions: ''isn't'', if these are outside of quotations, they should be expanded.</s>
:Not an issue. This is in the references section. [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 02:51, 5 January 2008 (UTC)
*Please ensure that the article has gone through a thorough copyediting so that it exemplifies some of [[WP:WIAFA|Wikipedia's best work]]. See also [[User:Tony1/How to satisfy Criterion 1a]].<sup>[[User:AndyZ/G#copyedit|[?]]]</sup>
You may wish to browse through [[User:AndyZ/Suggestions]] for further ideas. Thanks, [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub><font color="green">&gt;&lt;&gt;</font></sub><small>°</small><sup><small>°</small></sup>]]''' 01:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

== Athiesm ==

While MacFarlane may or may not be an atheist, we need a [[WP:RS|reliable source]], not a "gossip magazine" claiming that he is an atheist. [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#960018">m</font><font color="#E75480">ir</font><font color="#F6ADC6">a</font><font color="#E75480">nd</font><font color="#960018">a</font></font>''']] 18:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:{{done}} Provided source. [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 17:27, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Here, I don't really know what to do, but I have a reference. http://www.afterelton.com/blog/brianjuergens/family-guy-creator-seth-macfarlane-not-gay-stewie-almost-certainly-is?&comment=32841 Just search for the word atheist. [[Special:Contributions/71.59.187.238|71.59.187.238]] ([[User talk:71.59.187.238|talk]]) 11:17, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== Political donations? ==

What does the strike have to do with the Political Donations heading?! [[Special:Contributions/68.84.224.36|68.84.224.36]] ([[User talk:68.84.224.36|talk]]) 23:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
:{{done}} Changed to political beliefs. [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#960018">m</font><font color="#E75480">ir</font><font color="#F6ADC6">a</font><font color="#E75480">nd</font><font color="#960018">a</font></font>''']] 23:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
::Er, it's a contract dispute, not a political question at all. [[Special:Contributions/68.84.224.36|68.84.224.36]] ([[User talk:68.84.224.36|talk]]) 01:01, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Politics play a good role in disputes. [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#960018">m</font><font color="#E75480">ir</font><font color="#F6ADC6">a</font><font color="#E75480">nd</font><font color="#960018">a</font></font>''']] 01:12, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
::::In contract negotiations, politics may indeed play a part. One might not contract with someone who can bring a great deal of profit because one disagrees with that man's politics. In the "Writers' Strike" mess, politics was really not a major factor across the board. Some people were unhappy with the terms of their then-existing contract. They decided to take drastic measures to force the other party to agree to a more favorable contract. Life goes on. [[Special:Contributions/68.84.224.36|68.84.224.36]] ([[User talk:68.84.224.36|talk]]) 07:40, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

== Name? ==

The article says his name is Seth Woodbury McFarlane, but the caption under his name says Seth Dinglebury McFarlane. Am I missing something? [[User:SexyIrishLeprechaun|SexyIrishLeprechaun]] ([[User talk:SexyIrishLeprechaun|talk]]) 10:59, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:Vandalism happens. [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 05:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

== Dating [[Eliza Dushku]] ==

[http://www.9wsyr.com/entertainment/story.aspx?content_id=768459be-a059-4478-ab7d-2aaa7c40b16e&rss=118 wondering if we should put this in the article], per [[WP:BLP]]? [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 02:36, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
: I say go ahead, why not, it adds to his love life <font face="papyrus">[[User:Ctjf83|'''<font color="#ff0000">C</font><font color="#ff6600">t</font><font color="#ffff00">j</font><font color="#009900">f</font><font color="#0000ff">8</font><font color="#6600cc">3</font>''']][[User Talk:Ctjf83|Talk]]</font> 02:45, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

== Natural Voice ==

Does anybody know what his natural voice is? I know that he sounded like his character Brian on the Family Guy 100th Anniversary Special. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Art10|Art10]] ([[User talk:Art10|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Art10|contribs]]) 03:29, 25 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:He sounds like Brian, IRL. You can find videos on YouTube confirming this. [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 03:41, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

== link ==

Why TF does Griffin Family link to pornography? Vandalism!--[[Special:Contributions/69.112.229.71|69.112.229.71]] ([[User talk:69.112.229.71|talk]]) 22:46, 25 March 2008 (UTC)Greenday21

:No idea what link you are referring to, or why you are reporting it here. / [[User:Edgarde|edg]]<small> [[User_talk:Edgarde|☺]] [[Special:Contributions/Edgarde|☭]]</small> 23:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

== Down Syndrome ==

There is a mention of MacFarlane having Down Syndrome. Looks like vandalism, but the edit window doesn't have the text. Is this hacking? Can it be removed? [[Special:Contributions/68.188.82.251|68.188.82.251]] ([[User talk:68.188.82.251|talk]]) 01:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, it's vandalism. No, it's not hacking. IPs can edit wikipedia. I removed the vandalism quickly because it is a violation of [[WP:BLP|BLP]]. If you see such unsourced material in the future, I suggest you remove the text. [[User:Miranda|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="green">m</font><font color="#4CBB17">ir</font><font color="#ADFF2F">a</font><font color="#4CBB17">nd</font><font color="green">a</font></font>''']] 01:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

== Featured Article/Expansion of ''FG'' section ==

I am working on getting this to be featured. All needed is for the ''FG'' section to be expanded. (i.e. ''Family Guy'' Live, criticsm, etc.). More can be found in my [[User:Miranda/Seth McFarlane|sandbox]]. '''[[User:Miranda|<font face="verdana"><font color="#007BA7">miranda</font></font>]]''' 05:15, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
:{{done}} '''[[User:Miranda|<font face="verdana"><font color="#007BA7">miranda</font></font>]]''' 17:28, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== FAC candadiacy ==


This article has been been withdrawn as a featured article candidacy at the nominator's request. Please leave the {{tl|FAC}} template in place as it needed by the FAC bot to close the process properly. --[[User:Roger Davies|<font color="maroon">'''R<small>OGER</small>&nbsp;D<small>AVIES'''</small></font>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Roger Davies|'''talk''']]</sup> 19:22, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

==Objectivity==
I cleaned up some gratuitous parts:
:<i>'''Being a popular college speaker'''....</i>
:<i>At Hanna-Barbera, '''MacFarlane a "self-proclaimed genius"'''..."</i>
:<i>MacFarlane '''is a popular guest''' to college campuses.</i>
:<i>Politically, MacFarlane is a '''devoted''' Democrat.</i>
[[User:Coloneldoctor|Coloneldoctor]] ([[User talk:Coloneldoctor|talk]]) 21:13, 22 June 2008 (UTC)ColonelDoctor

=="Two-time Emmy Award Winning..."==
Reduced it to "Emmy Award winning..." in opening paragraph due to clumsiness of front-loaded information which is picked up in awards section. [[User:Coloneldoctor|Coloneldoctor]] ([[User talk:Coloneldoctor|talk]]) 21:18, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

==Redundancy==
Listing every character he voices in opening frontloads an already bulky article. I had amended this, but it was reverted.[[User:Coloneldoctor|Coloneldoctor]] ([[User talk:Coloneldoctor|talk]]) 02:17, 23 June 2008 (UTC)ColonelDoctor

I reamended it.[[User:Coloneldoctor|Coloneldoctor]] ([[User talk:Coloneldoctor|talk]]) 02:41, 23 June 2008 (UTC)ColonelDoctor

== Personal Info Cleaned Up ==

Split the second paragraph between the two items relating to dating and MacFarlane's unmarried status, and his atheism, which was stuck between them.[[User:Coloneldoctor|Coloneldoctor]] ([[User talk:Coloneldoctor|talk]]) 17:53, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
:Appreciate your work, however, I don't agree with your positioning of his atheism as a one sentence paragraph, which goes against [[WP:MOS|MOS]]. '''[[User:Miranda|<font face="verdana"><font color="#007BA7">miranda</font></font>]]''' 17:57, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

::Moved MacFarlane's statements about his '''personal beliefs''' on gay rights and gay marriage as they do not fit the model of '''political''' work (they are personal comments, and were not made as part of dedicated political activism). Plus, they harmonise much better with the difficult issue of his atheism, which was '''out of place''' in the preceding paragraph, which is essentially dedicated to '''dating information''' and '''marital status'''. This aids the fact flow immensely.
::In future please do not extend "appreciation," as this can be construed as sounding careerist, and defeats spirit of developing community-generated knowledge base vis a vis Khruschev's comments from memoirs. Thank you.[[User:Coloneldoctor|Coloneldoctor]] ([[User talk:Coloneldoctor|talk]]) 05:41, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
:::[[WP:OWN|No one owns this article]]. As long as the article fits with [[WP:BLP|BLP]], should be fine, regardless. '''[[User:Miranda|<font face="verdana"><font color="#007BA7">miranda</font></font>]]''' 18:37, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Look up "carreerist" vis a vis Khruchev before talking about ownership. Foundation in Divine Right of Kings might help. Google "megalomania" if still stuck, "narcissism" if none of this makes any sense.[[User:Coloneldoctor|Coloneldoctor]] ([[User talk:Coloneldoctor|talk]]) 14:34, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
:I don't know what you are talking about, but you are making changes which kind of go against [[WP:MOS|manual of style]]. '''[[User:Miranda|<font face="verdana"><font color="#007BA7">miranda</font></font>]]''' 14:41, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
::Academia should remain impersonal. Whenever someone extends appreciation in RT research projects, they get the same reaction--the integrity and success of a group project belongs to the parent project or movement it belongs to. Workers have no right to judge what is meritous, nor to extend "appreciation," which takes on executive authority. This causes fractious sentiments and undermines the integrity and success of the parent project. Vis a Vis (read it this time) Khruschev's expressed consternation in his memoirs about self-important workers undermining the integrity of the Soviet State. {{unsigned|Coloneldoctor}}
:::Seriously, I don't know what you are talking about, but on Wikipedia we have a set of rules and guidelines we have to abide. I think your attacks need to stop and concentrate on improving the article. Editing on Wikipedia isn't that serious, and If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed for profit by others, do not submit it. '''[[User:Miranda|<font face="verdana"><font color="#007BA7">miranda</font></font>]]''' 17:24, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
::::These are not personal attacks, and you can only take them as so if you are, in fact, guilty of the counterproductive, self-centred attitude of which I'm speaking, obviously to no avail. And if you're so adamant about spouting rules instead of merely considering the value of realising the world doesn't revolve around you, consider the idea of remaining IMPERSONAL in your comments. Both you and Avuncularosis shame we highly successful academicians with this pissy sort of behaviour.[[User:Coloneldoctor|Coloneldoctor]] ([[User talk:Coloneldoctor|talk]]) 18:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

== Activism and the Writers' Strike ==

Took elements of Writers' Strike not directly relevant to '''Family Guy''' and placed them in their own category in Personal Info. This prioritises the information and aids fact-flow about MacFarlane's personal life.[[User:Coloneldoctor|Coloneldoctor]] ([[User talk:Coloneldoctor|talk]]) 05:25, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

== "Bankable" ==

"Bankable" is a Hollywood term, but has no proper representation on Wikipedia. Therefore I changed it to "established." [[User:Coloneldoctor|Coloneldoctor]] ([[User talk:Coloneldoctor|talk]]) 14:09, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
:I think you put bankable. IMHO, I don't think it should matter. '''[[User:Miranda|<font face="verdana"><font color="#007BA7">miranda</font></font>]]''' 14:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

::It was included, by WHOEVER (we're a faceless group concerned with accuracy, remember?) and I changed it, because you removed the brackets around "bankable" while I was creating an entry for it. I realised the futility of attempting to clarify something when a hypervigilant, possessive fan is crowding around an article. The protocol sniping was great evidence of this, and I remind you that Wikipedia operates on GOOD FAITH, not acting out your little hurt fan feelings.

::Plus I remind you that overall, this article was basically a slightly-amended, badly written fan rave before I gave it a more professional working over. I maintain, according to the GOOD FAITH part of the abovementioned guidelines, that it was detrimental to Wikipedia's integrity, as well as that of its subject, Mr. MacFarlane. Operating from the GOOD FAITH principle, the protocol sniping (you'll learn about that after high school) was unnecessary and easily amended. Based on these criteria, it is starting to appear as if someone resented their Grade 7-level prose being corrected, although I do not make that accusation, because I operate on GOOD FAITH. [[User:Coloneldoctor|Coloneldoctor]] ([[User talk:Coloneldoctor|talk]]) 17:04, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

:::Calm down, Coloneldoctor. Miranda is a longtime and productive contributor to Wikipedia, with a great deal of good article work, so I'm sure she is aware of the policies (including [[WP:MOS]]) and has Wikipedia's interests at heart. Discuss the content, not the contributor, please. <strong style="color:#000">[[User:Avruch|'''Avruch''']]</strong> 17:15, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
::::I also suggest you calm down and take a break. The article passed [[WP:GA|good article]] before you even edited the article. So, this article wasn't "badly" written. And, I also suggest you quit making [[WP:NPA|attacks on me or other editors]]. '''[[User:Miranda|<font face="verdana"><font color="#007BA7">miranda</font></font>]]''' 17:42, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
:::::Er, the suggestion I calm down is ridiculous. I made no personal attack, merely characterised the poor writing quality of the article when I encountered it. It was indeed something a Grade Seven ESL student would compose. If someone took offense, they are guilty of the exact self-centred attitude I mentioned in the first place, for the only way they could take offense would be to claim authorship/ownership of the article--which is the EXACT sentiment I detected and noted regarding the user Miranda and their misplaced, wholly inappropriate "appreciation". '''Avruch''', please keep your opinions to yourself.
:::::Your interdiction in this single issue, which I remind you both centres around GOOD FAITH (not Wiki buds), is wholly inappropriate and comes across like some prepubescent boy sticking up for the girl he has a crush on. It is merely the QUALITY of the article I care about, and both of you have, most unprofessionally, turned it into a personal squabble. I note Avruch's use of protocol sniping, and refer to my previous explanation, and add that instead of acting like a spoiled brat, actually working to edit the Wikipedia would serve a much better purpose.
:::::If instead some sort of wholly inappropriate rank-peddling power response is forthcoming from either of you, then might I suggest you both learn how COMMUNAL projects operate, get over yourselves, and quit bothering we highly successful academicians in our noble work to rid the world of Grade Seven fan bios.[[User:Coloneldoctor|Coloneldoctor]] ([[User talk:Coloneldoctor|talk]]) 18:49, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

* I responded to you, in part, on my talkpage. As a highly successful academic I'm sure you understand the value of a collegiate atmosphere, without personal insults or offensive insinuations. A calm and polite environment is vital to collaborative editing, which is why we have a number of policies on Wikipedia governing editing conduct. I would not want to see an accomplished individual such as yourself removed from the project because of a misunderstanding over conduct policies. <strong style="color:#000">[[User:Avruch|'''Avruch''']]</strong> 20:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Essential to a collegiate atmosphere is the noble humility scholarship demands. My only issue with the Miranda user was the blatant lack thereof. Your laughable threat of of having me removed from the project over the megalomania and unprofessionalism of self-centred editors would only serve to cement Wikipedia's critics' conviction that it is run by half-educated prima donas. I suggest you take your abusive heterophobic behaviour to the West Bank and club little kids over the head with it, as it is wholly inappropriate here.[[User:Coloneldoctor|Colonel Doctor]]21:21, 7 July 2008 (UTC) <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/209.47.31.6|209.47.31.6]] ([[User talk:209.47.31.6|talk]]) </small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Speculation on Lovelife ==

Unless it's coming from a '''[[WP:RS|reliable source]]''', blogs excluded, do not insert speculation, per [[WP:BLP|BLP]]. '''[[User:Miranda|<font face="verdana"><font color="#007BA7">miranda</font></font>]]''' 05:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

==Cartoon Calvlcade of Comedy==
Okay, I heard on the FOX News Channel, about a month ago, that Seth partnered up with Google to do a web-series for them and their sister website, YouTube, called "Seth MacFarlane's Cartoon Calvelcade of Comedy," and that the show would just basicly be like comic strips. Can anyone conform that? --[[User:BrianGriffin-FG|BrianGriffin-FG]] ([[User talk:BrianGriffin-FG|talk]]) 22:55, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I confirmed it myself. Here's a link to the article I use as proof: [http://www.tvsquad.com/2008/07/09/as-if-seth-mcfarlane-didnt-have-enough-to-do/ TV Squad/Jul 9th 2008] Now my question is, can we mention this on the article? --[[User:BrianGriffin-FG|BrianGriffin-FG]] ([[User talk:BrianGriffin-FG|talk]]) 23:04, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah I agree. Put the note in. However, also fix the "Loveline" appearance, too. '''[[User:Miranda|<font face="verdana"><font color="#007BA7">miranda</font></font>]]''' 04:13, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

== 'Canadian Ancestry'? ==

Last time I checked, 'Canadian' is neither a race nor an ethnic group. Just because his great-grandparents were from Canada shouldn't give liberty to label him as 'partly Canadian.' While Welsh, English and Scottish is perfectly acceptable, calling him an 'American of Canadian Descent' just doesn't make much sense. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/96.227.76.80|96.227.76.80]] ([[User talk:96.227.76.80|talk]]) 01:06, 11 August 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Unnecessary Paragraph ==
[Previous comments deleted]

:As I have tried to tell you previously, [[WP:RS|reliable sources]] are necessary to insert information into the article. [[Special:Contributions/Randomface123|You]], [[Special:Contributions/96.28.199.72|your IP]], and another IP, have been [[WP:DISRUPT|disrupting]] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Seth_MacFarlane&action=history the article] by taking the fact that "he is an atheist" out of the article. The gay magazine is a reliable, since it is published and a reliable third party source. [[Wikipedia:Reliable_source_examples#Are_IRC.2C_MySpace.2C_and_YouTube_reliable_sources.3F|You Tube is not a reliable source]], as I repeated to you before. Since we are dealing with a [[WP:BLP|living person]], which has very strict rules (as seen per policy as I have repeated to you above), '''reliable sources are necessary'''. You have continuously inserted information which is contra to Wikipedia's rules to the point of disruption, and I kindly suggest for you to stop doing so. Also, whenever you blankly delete sections on which you feel that aren't important is [[WP:OWN|ownership]]. I suggest for you in the future, since we are dealing with a BLP, to reach consensus on the talk page before deleting certain sections. If you continue to violate these policies, you will be most likely blocked. '''[[User:Miranda|<font face="verdana"><font color="#007BA7">miranda</font></font>]]''' 03:18, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

:Please don't let any editors bully you. It is not appropriate for casual threats of blocks to be thrown around. Go read over the relevant guidelines and policies, and then come back and make your edits in pursuit of improving the encyclopedia. Be especially aware of the guidelines involving [[WP:EW|edit wars]] and the [[WP:3RR|three-revert-rule]], as well as the special concerns given to [[WP:BLP|articles]] which deal with people. If you are blocked inappropriately, especially for simply disagreeing with another editor, please feel free to use the "email this user" link on my user page and I will take a look at the issue. Thank you for your attempts to contribute to the project and good luck. [[User:Kmccoy|kmccoy]] [[User_talk:Kmccoy|(talk)]] 03:38, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

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