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No reliable sources cited, no hits on Google News, no real claim of notability (being the 79th largest Wiki isn't much of a claim, neither is being the biggest Wiki on Christianity). I'm amazed this hasn't been deleted yet. J Milburn (talk) 16:55, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Delete as nn. Special K(KoЯn flakes) 17:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Delete nonotable and doesn't meet WP:WEB Themfromspace (talk) 17:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Delete. Fails notability, doesn't even make it onto this list. Bsimmons666 (talk) 19:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Delete: It was indeed number 79 in July 2008, but has since reduced massively in size due to bulk deletion of uploaded pages, ~~mainly book chapters including public domain translations of the Bible.~~ As a Christian editor here, having read the previous AFDs, I agree that there is no longer a sufficient justification for retention. - Fayenatic (talk) 20:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

The deleted articles were mainly Bible verses -- these have been moved into a separate name space, so no longer appear in the article count. One could conclude that it hasn't really reduced in size since July. However, it's probably fairer not to count Bible verses as articles; this wiki is therefore revealed as smaller than the raw statistics previously indicated. Given its small number of articles, and lack of independent citations, it doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability requirements (even though I do like it). Delete. - Fayenatic (talk) 12:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. —Fayenatic (talk) 20:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
~~Merge~~ anything useful to its entry in List of wikis. I've done ProQuest, EBSCOHost, and Google News searches and come up with ZERO hits. Jclemens (talk) 20:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- That list rightly only contains Wikis which are notable enough to have their own articles in Wikipedia, therefore nothing should be merged there if the nominated article is deleted. - Fayenatic (talk) 12:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
  - Hmm. Well, then I'm going to have to reluctantly vote Delete because of my failed search for independent reliable sources. Jclemens (talk) 17:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Keep -- seems a harmless article to me. Peterkingiron (talk) 21:44, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- See WP:NOHARM. MuZemike (talk) 22:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Keep - But I have a vested interest because I'm from WikiChristian - If you decide to delete the article on WikiChristian, that's cool. By all means you need to follow the policies of Wikipedia regarding notability. I'll give you a list of a few websites that reference to WikiChristian and you guys I guess need to decide whether or not this makes WikiChristian notable enough. Perhaps they don't. (1) reonline.org.uk (a large site for religious education information in the United Kingdom) recommends reading WikiChristian's information for a number of its topics (for example, Christology - http://post16.reonline.org.uk/tt_alinks.php?222) (2) 123-exp-law.com (a dictionary site for legal information) recommends reading a number of WikiChristian articles (for example death of Jesus - http://www.123exp-law.com/t/03784348455/). (3) The Student Union of the Divinity School of Chung Chi College and The Chinese University of Hong Kong Library recommends searching WikiChristian among other encyclopedias when searching for religious information (http://www.sudsccc.org/download/thesis_writing_workshop_koonting.pdf). Cheers, Graham —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.45.48.186 (talk) 12:44, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

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+No reliable sources cited, no hits on [http://news.google.co.uk/archivesearch?q=WikiChristian&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&client=firefox-a&um=1&tab=wn Google News], no real claim of notability (being the 79th largest Wiki isn't much of a claim, neither is being the biggest Wiki on Christianity). I'm amazed this hasn't been deleted yet. [[User:J Milburn|J Milburn]] ([[User talk:J Milburn|talk]]) 16:55, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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+*'''Delete''' as nn. <font style="font:12px Harlow Solid Italic">[[User:Universal Cereal Bus|<font color=#00ffff>Special</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Universal Cereal Bus|<big><font color=#ff0000>K</font></big>]]([[User talk:Universal Cereal Bus|KoЯn flakes]])</small> 17:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
-| author        = [[Richard Connell]]
+*'''Delete''' nonotable and doesn't meet [[WP:WEB]] [[User:Themfromspace|Themfromspace]] ([[User talk:Themfromspace|talk]]) 17:38, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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+*'''Delete'''. Fails notability, doesn't even make it onto [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_wikis this list]. [[User:Bsimmons666|Bsimmons666]] ([[User talk:Bsimmons666|talk]]) 19:03, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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+*'''Delete''': It was indeed number 79 [http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_largest_wikis&oldid=1082014 in July 2008], but has since reduced massively in size due to [http://www.wikichristian.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=delete&limit=500 bulk deletion] of uploaded pages, <s>mainly book chapters including public domain translations of the Bible.</s> As a Christian editor here, having read the previous AFDs, I agree that there is no longer a sufficient justification for retention. - [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User_talk:Fayenatic_london|(talk)]] 20:21, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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+:The deleted articles were mainly Bible verses -- these have been moved into a separate [[WP:namespace|name space]], so no longer appear in the article count.  One could conclude that it hasn't really reduced in size since July. However, it's probably fairer '''not''' to count Bible verses as articles; this wiki is therefore revealed as smaller than the raw statistics previously indicated.  Given its small number of articles, and lack of independent citations, it doesn't meet Wikipedia's notability requirements (even though [[WP:ILIKEIT|I do like it]]). Delete. - [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User_talk:Fayenatic_london|(talk)]] 12:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
-| genre         = [[Short Story]]
+*<small>'''Note''':  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Christianity|list of Christianity-related deletion discussions]].  </small><small>—[[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User_talk:Fayenatic_london|(talk)]] 20:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)</small>
-| published_in   = ''Collier's Weekly''
+*'''<s>Merge</s>''' anything useful to its entry in [[List of wikis]].  I've done ProQuest, EBSCOHost, and Google News searches and come up with ZERO hits. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 20:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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+**That list rightly only contains Wikis which are notable enough to have their own articles in Wikipedia, therefore nothing should be merged there if the nominated article is deleted. - [[User:Fayenatic london|Fayenatic]] [[User_talk:Fayenatic_london|(talk)]] 12:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
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+***Hmm.  Well, then I'm going to have to reluctantly vote '''Delete''' because of my failed search for independent reliable sources. [[User:Jclemens|Jclemens]] ([[User talk:Jclemens|talk]]) 17:19, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
-| pub_date  = [[January 19]], [[1924]]
+*'''Keep''' -- seems a harmless article to me.  [[User:Peterkingiron|Peterkingiron]] ([[User talk:Peterkingiron|talk]]) 21:44, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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+**See [[WP:NOHARM]]. <font color="#063">[[User:MuZemike|MuZemike]]</font> (<font color="#063">[[User talk:MuZemike|talk]]</font>) 22:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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+*'''Keep''' - But I have a vested interest because I'm from WikiChristian - If you decide to delete the article on WikiChristian, that's cool. By all means you need to follow the policies of Wikipedia regarding notability. I'll give you a list of a few websites that reference to WikiChristian and you guys I guess need to decide whether or not this makes WikiChristian notable enough. Perhaps they don't. (1) reonline.org.uk (a large site for religious education information in the United Kingdom) recommends reading WikiChristian's information for a number of its topics (for example, Christology - http://post16.reonline.org.uk/tt_alinks.php?222) (2) 123-exp-law.com (a dictionary site for legal information) recommends reading a number of WikiChristian articles (for example death of Jesus - http://www.123exp-law.com/t/03784348455/). (3) The Student Union of the Divinity School of Chung Chi College and The Chinese University of Hong Kong Library recommends searching WikiChristian among other encyclopedias when searching for religious information (http://www.sudsccc.org/download/thesis_writing_workshop_koonting.pdf). Cheers, [http://www.wikichristian.org/index.php/User:Graham_grove Graham]  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/121.45.48.186|121.45.48.186]] ([[User talk:121.45.48.186|talk]]) 12:44, 11 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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-'''"The Most Dangerous Game"''' or '''"The Hounds of Zaroff"''' is a [[short story]] by [[Richard Connell]]. It was published in ''Collier's Weekly'' on [[January 19]], [[1924]].
-Widely anthologized, and the author's best-known work, "The Most Dangerous Game" features as its main character a [[big-game hunter]] from [[New York]], who becomes shipwrecked on an isolated [[island]] in the [[Caribbean]], and is hunted by a [[Russia]]n aristocrat. The story is an inversion of the big-game hunting [[safari]]s in [[Africa]] and [[South America]] that were fashionable among wealthy Americans in the 1920s.
-<!--spacing -- please don't remove-->
-*'''Sanger Rainsford''', an accomplished and experienced hunter from New York.
-*'''General Zaroff''', a man of pre-Revolutionary Russian aristocratic background. Above middle-age. Utterly fixated on hunting.
-*'''Ivan''', Zaroff's large Cossack slave and bodyguard. He is deaf and has no tongue. Ivan is also dumb. This makes him ideal to Zaroff as it is impossible for Ivan to tell anyone of General Zaroff's murders if he somehow escapes the island.
-*'''Whitney''', Rainsford's friend who appears briefly in the introduction, wondering what it would be like if he was the hunted instead of hunter.
-==Summary==
-Sanger Rainsford, a hunter in the time, and his hunting companion, Whitney, are traveling to the [[Amazon Rainforest]] to hunt the fabled big cat of that region, the [[Jaguar]].  After a discussion about how they were the hunters instead of the hunted, Rainsford hears shots, drops his pipe, and falls off of their boat while trying to retrieve it.  He washes up on an island, Ship-Trap Island, that is the subject of local superstition.
-He finds a Palatial Chateau owned by a [[Cossack]] hunter named General Zaroff and his Cossack servant Ivan.  General Zaroff had heard of Rainsford as he is a big game hunter. Zaroff has read Rainsford's book.  Over dinner, General Zaroff explains to Rainsford how he became so good at hunting that he became bored and unchallenged with it.  He then decided to live on an island where he captured shipwrecked sailors and sent them, with only food, a knife, and moccassins, into the jungle.  Three hours later, he followed them to [[human hunting|hunt them]].  If they eluded him for three days, he let them go, but he had so far managed to kill them all.
-Zaroff tells Rainsford that he would be the next person he hunted.  Rainsford runs into the forest and climbs a tree.  Zaroff finds him easily, but decides to play with him like a cat with a mouse. Next he sets a tiger trap, which kills one of Zaroff's hounds.  Finally, he set a trap with his knife that kills Ivan , but not Zaroff. As the hounds approach, Rainsford jumps off a cliff into the ocean.  Zaroff assumes he has killed himself and returns home.  Rainsford is there, having swam around the island.  Zaroff congratulates him and offers to send him home, but Rainsford decides to fight him, and says "I'm still a beast at bay,".
-The last sentence of the book depicts the General accepting the fight, and saying that the loser should be fed to the dogs and the victor would sleep in the master bedroom's bed. Although it has not been stated in the story, it is believed that the General was fed to his hounds because of Rainsford's last words- he had never slept in a better bed.
-==Adaptations==
-The story has been adapted for [[film]] numerous times. The most significant of these adaptations (and apparently the only one to use the original characters) was [[RKO]]'s ''[[The Most Dangerous Game (film)|The Most Dangerous Game]]'', released in [[1932 in film|1932]], having been shot (mostly at night) on sets used during the day for the "Skull Island" sequences of ''[[King Kong]]''. The movie starred [[Joel McCrea]] as Rainsford (renamed "Robert" instead of "Sanger") and [[Leslie Banks]] as Zaroff, and added two other principal characters: Eve Trowbridge ([[Fay Wray]]) and Martin Trowbridge ([[Robert Armstrong (actor)|Robert Armstrong]]), who are brother and sister (Wray and Armstrong were also starring in ''King Kong'' on the same sets during the day).
-The story was also twice produced as a [[radio play]] for the series ''[[Suspense]]'', on [[23 September]] [[1943]] with [[Orson Welles]] as Zaroff and [[Keenan Wynn]] as Rainsford, and on [[1 February]] [[1945]] with frequent Welles collaborator [[Joseph Cotten]] playing Rainsford. In these productions, Rainsford narrates the story in [[retrospect]] as he waits in Zaroff's bedroom for the final confrontation.
-A second movie adaptation, a remake of the 1932 movie, also produced by [[RKO]] was ''A Game of Death'', released in 1945. Directed by [[Robert Wise]] at the very beginning of his long and distinguished directing career, the movie was regarded poorly. Footage from the original was recycled, and one actor from the original, [[Noble Johnson]], was cast in the remake. In keeping with events of the time, ''A Game of Death'' changed Zaroff into "Erich Kreiger", a German Nazi, and was set in the aftermath of WWII. In 1956 a second official remake was made, ''[[Run for the Sun]]'', starring [[Richard Widmark]] and [[Jane Greer]].
-Other versions include ''[[Bloodlust!]]'' (1961), ''[[The Woman Hunt]]'' (1973), ''[[Turkey Shoot]]'' (1982) and ''[[Surviving the Game]]'' (1994).<ref>Stafford, Jeff [http://www.tcm.com/tcmdb/title.jsp?stid=84006&category=Articles "The Most Dangerous Game" (TCM article)]</ref>
-The concept of ''The Most Dangerous Game'' has been reused in numerous works of fiction, including:
-'''Films:'''
-*''[[Surviving the Game]]''
-*''[[Hard Target (movie)|Hard Target]]''
-*''[[Slave Girls from Beyond Infinity]]''
-*''[[Gymkata]]'',
-*''[[The Beast Must Die (film)|The Beast Must Die]]''.  A deadly game to reveal and destroy a Werewolf hidden amongst trapped mansion guests
-*''[[The Pest]]''
-*''[[Zodiac (film)|Zodiac]]''
-'''Television:'''
-*the ''[[Star Trek: The Original Series|Star Trek]]'' episode "[[The Squire of Gothos]]"
-*the ''[[Star Trek: Voyager]]'' enemies [[Hirogen]], particularly the episode ''[[The Killing Game]]''
-*the ''[[Star Trek: Deep Space Nine]]'' episode "[[Captive Pursuit]]"
-*the ''[[Buffy the Vampire Slayer (TV series)|Buffy the Vampire Slayer]]'' episode "[[Homecoming (Buffy episode)|Homecoming]]"
-*the ''[[The Simpsons (TV series)|The Simpsons]]'' episode "[[Treehouse of Horror XVI]]"
-*the ''[[American Dad!]]'' episode "[[The Vacation Goo]]".
-*the ''[[Gilligan's Island]]'' episode "The Hunter"
-*the ''[[Fantasy Island]]'' original pilot episode
-*the ''[[Johnny Quest]]'' episode "Shadow of the Condor"
-*the ''[[Get Smart]]'' episode "Island of the Darned"
-*the ''[[Johnny Bravo]]'' episode "Hunted!"
-*the ''[[Dexter's Laboratory]]'' episode "[[List of Dexter's Laboratory episodes|Dial M for Monkey: Huntor]]"
-*the ''[[Kids Next Door]]'' episode "[[List Of Codename: Kids Next Door Episodes#Operation S.A.F.A.R.I|S.A.F.A.R.I]]"
-*the ''[[The Incredible Hulk (TV series)|Incredible Hulk]]'' 3rd season episode "The Snare"
-*the ''[[Criminal Minds]]'' episode "Open Season"
-*the ''[[Supernatural (TV Series)|Supernatural]]'' episode "The Benders"
-*the ''[[Relic Hunter]]'' episode "Run Sydney Run"
-*the ''[[Lost in Space]]'' episode "Hunter's Moon"
-*the ''[[Dark Angel (TV series)|Dark Angel]]'' episode "Pollo Loco"
-*''[[Bet Your Life (TV movie)]]''
-'''Comics:'''
-*The ''[[Spider-Man]]'' villain [[Kraven the Hunter]] (Sergi Kravenoff) was inspired by Zaroff.{{Fact|date=August 2008}}
-*The tagline of [[DC Comics]]' ''[[Manhunter (comics)|Manhunter]]'' title was "He hunts the world's most dangerous game".
-Yeha.
-==Influences==
-The character of General Zaroff may have been influenced by the character of [[Prospero]] in [[William Shakespeare]]'s ''[[The Tempest]]''. Both characters live on isolated islands, and cause shipwrecks in order to bring unsuspecting sailors there, where they manipulate them to their own ends.
-==Zodiac Killer==
-"The Most Dangerous Game" is also said to have possibly been an inspiration to the [[Zodiac Killer]]. [[Arthur Leigh Allen]], the one time primary suspect of the notorious murders since cleared by DNA evidence, told police that he had read the story, which many thought had been referenced in one of the killer's letters.
-==References==
-{{Reflist}}
-==External links==
-*[http://www.classicshorts.com/stories/danger.html Full text at Classic Shorts]
-*[http://eserver.org/fiction/the_most_dangerous_game.html Full text at E-Server]
-*[http://tesla.liketelevision.com/liketelevision/tuner.php?channel=238&format=movie&theme=guide Watch 1932 film Most Dangerous Game]
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