Talk:Carl Freer

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I re-introduced some material about Freer's previous transgressions with law. It had a valid reference to a WIRED article and it has been reverted for no apparent reason by an anonymous user.

I'll reintroduce the text and if it's reverted again it may be an idea to protect this page so it can only be edited by registered users. Gravy 11:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

"This article must adhere to the policy on biographies of living persons. Controversial material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately, especially if potentially libelous. If such material is repeatedly inserted or if there are other concerns relative to this policy, report it on the living persons biographies noticeboard."

So following these stipulated conditions, i'm afraid that the insertion made by Gravy is incorrect as the story about Freer's alleged parent-signature forgery back in 1988 is false, according to a recent publication of the complete C Freer investigation. Apparently there will be alot more publications about the recent vindication of Freer in connection with the Gizmondo story. Furthermore, the reported incident in Germany is factually wrong so in order to avoid any libel, should also therefore not be included. The Wired article was based on hearsay and unconfirmed data. In the spirit of accuracy this should considered.

Having followed the postings and contributions made by the recent "authors", it seems that they are disgruntled former employees / associates of Gizmondo. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrblowfeldt (talk • contribs) 05:18, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

First of all can I say I am not a former Gizmondo employee, I just came to this page and was surprised that it currently held little information about Freer's past that any previous authors sourced contributions had been removed by an anonymous poster from the same IP address.

It's hard to take the above seriously, the reason for the removals dependant on a report that no link to has been supplied, no reference to who authored it or for what purpose. It's also hard to take MrBlowFeldt's claims that what I inserted is libelous. This is information from respected publications (WIRED, LA Times) the publication of which have not been met with any action from Freer or other parties for libel.

I'll reinclude the stuff with some clarification that this is what WIRED and the LA Times have alleged. If Mrblowfeldt has more specific information about the "Complete Carl Freer Investigation" exonerating him from any wrong doing then it should be included here. I STRONGLY suspect that this Freer editing his own wikipedia entry. Anyone know how this sort of thing is usually resolved?

Gravy 11:55, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

I am not Carl Freer. I am however privy to information that might not yet be public and i should have included a formal reference. For that i apologize. However, I'm sorry to say that it seems that you have some personal vendetta against Freer judging by how you formulated your reply. Ironically, i am acutely aware of a libel action filed against atleast three different publications in connection with articles published 2005 - 2006. I will include the reference. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrblowfeldt (talk • contribs) 17:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

Dubious

According to this article, Mr Freer's promised donation of 7 million kroner to Nordens Ark was lost in the collapse of Gizmondo. He did later make a smaller donation, but it does not seem enough to be notable, so I am removing the mention of Nordens Ark from this bio. Now that Mrblowfeldt has removed all the information surrounding Mr Freer's alleged criminal past and his links with known criminal Stefan Eriksson, there doesn't appear to be much left. --Fugu Alienking 01:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Any reason why this was reverted without adding supporting references Mrblowfeldt? Your contributions to this page and others read suspiciously like those of someone constructing a false personal history with which to commit fraud, something Mr Freer has been accused of in the past with claims made concerning VXtreme and the Kings Medical Research Trust. --Fugu Alienking 15:25, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

As referred to in Nordens Ark's annual report of 2005, http://www.nordensark.se the personal donation made by Carl Freer made him the largest ever private donator to the foundation. Freer was furthermore appointed as trustee of Kings Medical Research Trust. http://kingmedicalhistory.googlepages.com/home He did however resign following the slander campaign made against him for the association with Stefan Eriksson, concerned that it might taint the foundation. Tiger Telematics 10K filing of 2005 deals with the VXtreme misunderstanding made by a San Jose journalist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrblowfeldt (talk • contribs) 00:54, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi. I have no opinion on this person. All I'm saying is, if someone asks for a citation, and you can provide one, then do so. Read WP:CITE to learn how to add citations to articles. Do you understand what I am asking for now? If not, feel free to ask for help, either here or on my talk page. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 01:26, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

I removed this line: You CAN'T structure sentences based on "in part" references. Its a joke...its either true or its not.

In November 2007, Mr. Freer provided his recount of the Gizmondo events, in part confirming many of the peculiar details, including going by the false name Eric Jonsson. [4][5][6] (Note: Veckans Affärer's title "Svindlande Affärer" is ambiguous; it means both dizzying business and swindling business.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Truthmaker1 (talk • contribs) 17:35, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Rather than removing poorly worded sentences and their accompanying references, please try to improve them. --Fugu Alienking (talk) 13:57, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

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Slander

The facts about Mr. Freer and Gizmondo are true and indisputable. It is not slander, because slander requires a statements to be untrue. Mr. Freer even admits himself in the realtid.se interview that he has been convicted twice, once in Sweden and once in Germany. The fact that Gizmondo lost $382.5 million is relevant, even though Mr. Freer was not convicted of any crime. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Novelist (talk • contribs) 05:18, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Repeated Deletions

Extensive deletions by 75.47.237.75, 66.214.86.36, and Mrblowfeldt deletes nearly everything in this article except for Mr. Freers donations, whether they happened or not discussed below. The article, as-is, is factual, and the events are confirmed in the November 2007 interview by Mr. Freer in person, the same articles referred to as true by the deleting trio. These recent articles further provides recent pictures of Mr. Freer in a New York street setting. This article needs protection from editing by non-registered users.

After Mr. Freer was on the first page of Veckans Affärer, with the headline "Swindling business", he is well known in Sweden. It's like being on the front page of the Wall Street Journal, it's just not forgotten easily. There is plenty of fraud-related anecdotes around Mr. Freer but apparently no more than two convictions. I find it amazing how much disclosure was provided by the Swedish police in regards to their futile fraud investigations of Mr. Freer, conveniently absent. However, the most significant accomplishment beyond his family is how he spent $382.5 million of innocent investor's money. Convicted or not, these people lost their money, and that is a fact of public interest.

It is also interesting how MrBlowfelt claims to not be Carl Freer, whose latest venture apparently is called blowfishworks. Felt or Feldt is a not uncommon latter half of a Swedish surname. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Novelist (talk • contribs) 21:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I just noticed that is IS Mrblowfeldt using the most common Swedish spelling. For not being Mr. Freer, he sure has a remarkable insight into Carl Freer's actions 20 years ago —Preceding unsigned comment added by Novelist (talk • contribs) 21:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Speculation about the identities of Wikipedia editors has no place here, or in the edit summaries. However it appears that there are two very different points of view being pushed here, so I have requested that the page be reviewed for NPOV compliance. Hopefully an editor with no prior knowledge of Mr Freer's business dealings can read through the references provided (including those deleted by Mrblowfeldt and 66.214.86.36's most recent edits) and find a balance. Alternatively, they could reconsider my earlier suggestion of speedy deletion of this promotional bio for a non-notable living person. —Fugu Alienking (talk) 12:18, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the article is quite POV. However, I feel that the current version is much better than the one that Mrblowfeldt and the IP editors are using (which removes valid references, cited material, categories, e.t.c.).

I also agree that revealing personal information about editors (as in one of User:66.214.86.36's recent edit summaries) is one of the worst offences there is. I'm considering a request for oversight on the matter. I'm also considering a request for comment on the whole thing, as attempts at starting discussion on this talk page with Mrblowfeldt and co are not being met, and reverts are instead taking place without discussion. --Dreaded Walrus ^{t c} 15:28, 23 November 2007 (UTC)

alienking

Where is the proof Alienking.com is tied to Carl Freer??? This should be removed immediately.. 22:13, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Looks like the reference was updated recently, probably to remove his name. If noone can find a better one, perhaps an admin should delete that (the page seems to be uneditable by us mere mortals) --83.67.23.108 14:29, 30 November 2007 (UTC)