Talk:Citroën

Electric cars

The electric versions of Saxo and Berlingo should be mentioned.

Citroën Revolte

New electric hybrid just announced. No sources except the web.

There is a DS5 hybrid available. Go sit in a DS5. Not a pleasant place to be. Very confining and hard to see out. I have a 2008 C5 which I love, but the DS5 is horrible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.101.238.14 (talk) 15:43, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Citroën C-Elysée WTCC section

This section seems entirely duplicative of the Citroën World Touring Car Team page. There is a Citroën Racing section immediately above. Propose removing. Also, for a company with a race history dating back to at least 1956, the Citroen Racing section seems breathlessly focused on very recent events - not encyclopedic. PLawrence99cx (talk) 17:57, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

I have folded this section into 'Racing,' as a subsection on 'Touring.' PLawrence99cx (talk) 09:41, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Article modifications: proposals

As I know some of this proposals will generate a strong opposition, I'm open to discuss them separately:

• Debolding Traction Avant. Traction Avant is a car model. Although influential, it isn't the name of the company.

• Remove cursives from subsection's titles, following Wikipedia conventions.

• Trim the list of awards following other articles and reducing promotional materials. Urbanoc (talk) 06:43, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

/////// Hello to good faith people.

• Why reducing the information about the Traction Avant in Citroën, whereas Urbanoc does not ask to "debold" the numerous lines and photos about the Beetle in Volkswagen ? Why such a difference of treatment between two brands ?
• Awards are not promotion, but some reliable facts to assess the value of the products scoring all the criteria by some numerous journalists.

• the 'Car of the year' award in Italy is voted by the Italian Union of Automotive Journalists (UIGA), so many professionals from many different magazines
• the 'Car of the year' award in Spain is voted by 35 different magazines [1] so most of the Spanish automotive journalists
• Citroën is not Spanish or Italian, so no promotion
• the 'Car of the year' award in Ireland is voted by the Irish Motoring Writers Association (IMWA), so many professionals from many different magazines
• the 'Car of the year' award in Eurasia 'Autobest' is voted by 15 countries (but not France) and is equivalent to the 'Car of the year' award in Europe

Why removing some real national and international awards in Citroën or Renault (and soon Peugeot probably, but not VW or Ford that Urbanoc likes), whereas citing an award from Green Car Journal in the Volkswagen article is "allowed" ? Look here : only one magazine award

Notice that Urbanoc, Vrac, Mr.Choppers have already attacked the Renault article, organised a "vote", but they had no argument and finally taking the excuse of being "bold", one of them removed some precious informations without waiting for the vote result, only the positive ones, obviously.

These people organised a dispute against me because I dared to prove that there is no reason to removes some awards in Renault, but strangely enough it has disappeared now from the Administrator page [2]... Fortunately, I saved it.

Notice that Vrac erased here [3] "Until the late 1980s, the company had a reputation for approaching automobile design in a unique and innovative way.", what is true, you can see it yourself and thousands of articles mention it. But instead of searching one of the numerous references, what would do a good wikipedian, or to "tag" to ask a source, Vrac erased this obvious true statement, what does not respect the Wikipedia rules. Do you call that a malevolent action and to vandalize ?

This request to remove some real awards targets Citroën after Renault, but not Volkswagen, Ford etc, and it has no sense. Anyway they got very few awards, so one could ask to "remove" the awards that they have not, what would bring no change. Crafty trick.

I will bring more proofs about unequal treatments and actions against the rules later. Have a nice day, good faith people. 83.157.24.224 (talk) 14:59, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

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You are misrepresenting my words, but maybe you didn't understand me. With "debolding" I mean removing the bolding from the first mention ( retirer le gras à la première mention) of Traction Avant, I don't intend to remove any info about the car. It is a pretty relevant one, I agree with that, but is not an alternative name of Citroën, in general the article's lead must only have bolded the name of the article's subject and/or alternative names of it. That's a wiki convention.

As for the awards lists, I already explained it to you. However, this a separated discussion so I'll say it again : your awards' lists are very promotional in nature and give a lot of relevance to minor national awards without giving third-party sources to prove their notability. Besides, awards are mostly for cars, not for marques. Finally, WP:OTHERSTUFF isn't a valid argument. Urbanoc (talk) 22:56, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

I already started to go ahead with the changes. I removed the bolding from Traction Avant and also from DS, removed cursives and made modifications to the awards section. Urbanoc (talk) 11:14, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

The Citroen article is allegedly vandalized

Always the same people Urbanoc, Warren Whyte, Vrac and some of their friends, vandalize the articles of some brands like Renault, Citroen, Peugeot, but not Volkswagen, Ford, GM, so they are arbitrary and use Wikipedia as a mean to denigrate some companies or to lower their real value and history, by adding only some negative information or negative "interpretations", but never the 10 times more numerous historical facts that are positive and by removing the most significant neutral and positive information.

• Urbanoc take the excuse to "unbold" the 'Traction Avant' words, but what he does really is erasing one thousands of words.
• Urbanoc announces some little modifications like reducing the lead, it seems nice, except that what he does really is removing this whole paragraph without any fair reasons, as these informations are neutral facts. Urbanoc even removed a precious reference to the Union of the Italian journalists that proves the awards : see here for example http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Citro%C3%ABn&diff=prev&oldid=641710842 It is normal to cite the awards, because it is meaningful and the aim of the abstract is to sum up in one sentence the details given in some further paragraphs. No relevant reasons to remove these information.
• Notice that these people act as a team : Urbanoc, Vrac, Warren Whyte systematically, with the help of some other malevolent people. They make successive attacks, removing 2 paragraphs, then 3, then 3 again etc., and at the and several thousands of characters, 'only the true and positive information are removed from the articles of the brands that they want to lower and denigrate.

This is not acceptable. These people behave arbitrarily. These people accept some awards in the VW article for example, but erase the same awards in the Citroen article saying 'single magazine awards are not important enough'. It is an unequal treatment and a total bad faith obviously. These people don't respect the neutrality, behave as if they were chiefs on Wikipedia and remove some neutral and relevant information. These people behaves as a lobby that harasses some brands and support some others. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.157.24.224 (talk) 15:16, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

It's quite appalling the statements being made here by an anonymous editor. S/he seems to be completely ignoring suggestions, comments and hints and tips on WP etiquette. I really do suggest that User talk:83.157.24.224 keeps calm, and to try and enter into a proper discussion without throwing around claims of vandalism and what not. Perhaps you should take notice that several editors are trying to engage with you. Warren (talk) 15:31, 15 January 2015 (UTC)