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The edit of 21:01 6 Nov 2005 removed the claim that Hero proved his formula,
citing Funk and Wagnall. This is bizarre; Hero's proof is well known.
As mentioned on [[Heron's formula]], it appears in his ''Metrica''.
(This according to Heath, who is about as authoritative an individual
as one can imagine on this matter, and, for that matter, who gives the proof
in detail.) Accordingly I now restore that claim.
--[[User:198.166.55.98|198.166.55.98]] 23:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC)


*''Hercules shoots arrow at hissing dragon when apple is lifted''
I've moved this here from the Projects section as it doesn't seem to make any sense or have any context. If anyone can expand on it and tidy it up (assuming it refers to an actual project) then I guess it can be returned. --[[User:Myfanwy|Myfanwy]] 17:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

::Not sure who originally wrote the sentence, but it is ambiguous. I believe this is an actualy project of Hero's - "Hercules" is just a little model of Hercules and the "hissing dragon" is a model of a dragon. It's just one of the little mechanical inventions of Hero's. [[User:FranksValli|FranksValli]] 20:56, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

== History Channel ==

I just watched an episode of Ancient Marvels on the History Channel that largely dealt with Hero's works. The program showed a self-refilling vessel that would refill a basin with water to a certain level after water had been removed; however, the program did not say this was one of Hero's works. I am assuming someone saw the program and added the device incorrectly, so I am taking it out. The program also discussed the Hercules contraption mentioned above, I'll add something about that is more clear.--[[User:Bkwillwm|Bkwillwm]] 23:26, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

==Is Heron Really Greek?==

Wikipedia should be different and not like other encyclopedia that contradict themselves. How do we know heron was a greek? Alexandria was in Africa (Egypt) not Greece. It was ruled (or under the colony) of Greece as at that time. That does not make him Greek. USA was once colonized by Great Britain before the independence.That does not make americans British or all other countries colonized by britain, British. One error that has plagued many encyclopaedia today is the designation of a Greek nationality to some early philosophers that not much is known of. Wikipedia is not like those encyclopedia. How does it seem to read about hero of Alexandria(Egypt) and read that he is greek and then click on the alexandria link only to discover that Alexandria is actually in egypt? Avoid Contradiction. We have a clue to his nationality. That clue is his name. "heron of alexandria". In those days people were surnamed after there place of origin/birth. I am considering changing the greek nationality to egyptian nationality or at least removing the word "greek".
[[User:io_anthony|io_anthony]] 20:37 Sep 23, 2006 (UTC)

EDIT
Anonymous Greek has a question.
If Heron of Alexandria was an Egyptian, why did the titles of his writings were in Greek:

'''Works known to be of Hero's hand:'''

*''' P'''neumatica'''''', a description of machines working on air, steam or water pressure, including the hydraulis or water organ.[1]
*''' Automata''', a description of machines which enable wonders in temples by mechanical or pneumatical means (e.g. automatic opening or closing of temple doors, statues that pour wine, etc.). See Automata.
* '''Mechanica''', written for architects, containing means to lift heavy objects.
* '''Metrica,''' a description of how to calculate surfaces and volumes of diverse objects.
* On the '''Dioptra''', a collection of methods to measure lengths. In this work the odometer is described, and also an apparatus which resembles a theodolite.
* '''Belopoeica''', a description of war machines.
* '''Catoptrica''', about the progression of light, reflection and the use of mirro

== Lecture notes ==

It is also believed that Hero taught at the Museum in Alexandria because most of his writings appear as lecture notes for courses in mathematics, mechanics, physics and pneumatics.


== Should the "digital counter" invention be removed? ==
Is this for real? As in, one of the main reasons we know about his stuff is the lecture notes students were making in this guy's classes?
[[User:ManicParroT|ManicParroT]] 19:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


I can't find a source on it ANYWHERE and being that he died in 70 A.D. and this is reported to be made 30 years after he died is puzzling. [[User:JungleEntity|JungleEntity]] ([[User talk:JungleEntity|talk]]) 02:33, 16 March 2019 (UTC)
:No, "lecture notes" means notes that Hero would have made as notes for himself when delivering lectures.--[[User:Mathew5000|Mathew5000]] 00:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


== How complete is the biblioigraphy? ==
== Add book content links? ==


At least one of the referenced books is freely available at the Library of Congress - https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbctos.2017gen16478/?st=gallery. What would be a good place to link to it?
The Eleventh Edition Encyclopaedia Britannica [http://en.wikisource.org/w/index.php?title=User:Tim_Starling/ScanSet_TIFF_demo&vol=13&page=EC3A420] lists some other works not currently mentioned in this Wikipedia article, unless I am misunderstanding something. It says: "The geometrical treatises which have survived (though not interpolated) in Greek are entitled respectively ''Definitiones, Geometria, Geodaesia, Stereometrica'' (i. and ii.), ''Mensurae, Liber Geoponicus'', to which must now be added the ''Metrica'' recently discovered by R. Schöne in a MS. at Constantinople. These books, except the ''Definitiones'', mostly consist of directions for obtaining, from given parts, the areas or volumes, and other parts, of plane or solid figures. A remarkable feature is the bare statement of a number of very close approximations to the square roots of numbers which are not complete squares." --[[User:Mathew5000|Mathew5000]] 19:03, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


[[User:Faught|Faught]] ([[User talk:Faught|talk]]) 22:56, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
== Can we add a link to a small invention of Heron of Alexandria? ==


:I wouldn't link it, as the book linked is in Italian. If you find a English translation however, it might be useful to link it by editing the citation's name to link to the book, much like citation 6 :) [[User:JungleEntity|JungleEntity]] ([[User talk:JungleEntity|talk]]) 02:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
When I was young, my brother made a long chain out of key chain loops where when you
drop one and it looks like it drops down the chain. It is either called the Magic Chain or
the Chain of Heron. I had trouble (as an adult) finding this on the web and it took
months of going to the library and looking online to find it. Does the Wikipedia
include small but very old inventions and how to build them? I finally found it
(a couple of years ago) and saved the web pages.


== Rephrasing of sentence? ==
Can we add this somehow? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:LarryAGrossman|LarryAGrossman]] ([[User talk:LarryAGrossman|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/LarryAGrossman|contribs]]) 17:39, 29 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned -->
Thanks for your time and efforts regarding this page.
Under Inventions, the sentence reads:
"Some historians have conflated the two inventions to assert that the aeolipile was capable of useful work, which is not entirely false, air containing a trace of water vapor."
To simplify the sentence, let's read it as,
"The aeolipile was capable of useful work, air containing a trace of water vapor."
Is there perhaps a better way to clarify the intent of this sentence?
[[User:Taostlt|Taostlt]] ([[User talk:Taostlt|talk]]) 02:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)


== Controversy over dates ==
==History Channel part 2==


It seems there is some controversy about when Hero(n) lived, with various authors speculating dates anywhere between 200 BCE and 300 CE. The ~60 CE date comes from Neugebauer, based on a description of a partial eclipse which Heron is assumed to have witnessed, with the description only matching an eclipse from March of 62 CE. And there are also a couple of inventions which are presumed to be from Heron which seem to be from around the mid 1st century. But all of this is still somewhat speculative, and this Wikipedia article (a) doesn’t describe any of the controversy, and (b) makes far too certain an implication of the birth and death dates. As far as I can tell nothing is known about how old Heron was at his death. Here are a few sources discussing this topic: [https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.212283/page/n315/ Heath 1921], [https://scholar.archive.org/work/wgnmmtujg5hbhc6b5o3ewwywre/access/wayback/http://www.ams.org/journals/bull/1948-54-11/S0002-9904-1948-09089-9/S0002-9904-1948-09089-9.pdf Neugebauer 1948 p. 1033], [https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Paul-Keyser/publication/240549228_Suetonius_Nero_41_2_and_the_Date_of_Heron_Mechanicus_of_Alexandria/links/0deec53bb6d853ef61000000/Suetonius-Nero-41-2-and-the-Date-of-Heron-Mechanicus-of-Alexandria.pdf Keyser 1988]. Are there other recent sources that have settled these questions? –[[user:jacobolus|jacobolus]] [[User_talk:jacobolus|(t)]] 19:52, 2 December 2022 (UTC)
I watched a fascinating show last night on the History Channel called "Machines of the Gods" which is a part of the "Ancient Discoveries" series. A good deal of the show was dedicated to Heron, specifically the many devices he invented that were used by the temples to help instill faith, awe and new members and such. It appears he made the very first weeping statue where the eyes of a statue/icon would bleed. I've looked at some of the links on this article and found a few devices he made for the temples but I'm mostly interested in the bleeding statue(s). Does anyone have a link or an idea where I could find out more on the subject? I'm planning to work some on the [[weeping statue]] article and this would be a great historical piece to add to it. Cheers! [[User:Mr Christopher|Mr Christopher]] 15:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 18:52, 15 January 2024

Should the "digital counter" invention be removed?[edit]

I can't find a source on it ANYWHERE and being that he died in 70 A.D. and this is reported to be made 30 years after he died is puzzling. JungleEntity (talk) 02:33, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Add book content links?[edit]

At least one of the referenced books is freely available at the Library of Congress - https://www.loc.gov/resource/rbctos.2017gen16478/?st=gallery. What would be a good place to link to it?

Faught (talk) 22:56, 24 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't link it, as the book linked is in Italian. If you find a English translation however, it might be useful to link it by editing the citation's name to link to the book, much like citation 6 :) JungleEntity (talk) 02:30, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rephrasing of sentence?[edit]

Thanks for your time and efforts regarding this page. Under Inventions, the sentence reads: "Some historians have conflated the two inventions to assert that the aeolipile was capable of useful work, which is not entirely false, air containing a trace of water vapor." To simplify the sentence, let's read it as, "The aeolipile was capable of useful work, air containing a trace of water vapor." Is there perhaps a better way to clarify the intent of this sentence?

Taostlt (talk) 02:04, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Controversy over dates[edit]

It seems there is some controversy about when Hero(n) lived, with various authors speculating dates anywhere between 200 BCE and 300 CE. The ~60 CE date comes from Neugebauer, based on a description of a partial eclipse which Heron is assumed to have witnessed, with the description only matching an eclipse from March of 62 CE. And there are also a couple of inventions which are presumed to be from Heron which seem to be from around the mid 1st century. But all of this is still somewhat speculative, and this Wikipedia article (a) doesn’t describe any of the controversy, and (b) makes far too certain an implication of the birth and death dates. As far as I can tell nothing is known about how old Heron was at his death. Here are a few sources discussing this topic: Heath 1921, Neugebauer 1948 p. 1033, Keyser 1988. Are there other recent sources that have settled these questions? –jacobolus (t) 19:52, 2 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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