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There is a crack, a crack, in everything,
That's how the light gets in.
The way I do things:
  • I don't delete other people's comments, no matter how irrelevant or insulting they might be.
  • I do reserve the right to annotate and title them in any manner I might find appropriate.
  • I've decided to be different and archive by topic rather than by sequence.
  • If I've started a discussion on your talk page, it's on my watchlist, and I will check up on it.

Anus language

This is a real language spoken by a small tribal group in Irian Jaya see Ethnologue [1]. I have turned it into a stub about the actual language not schoolboy humour about same. I would be grateful if you could have a look. Capitalistroadster 17:58, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The roadster earns a barnstar for this one. [2]. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 14:21, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User 82.3.49.1

I've just searched this person's entire history; since September of 2004, virtually every edit made by this person was vandalism of some sort. I believe the time for warnings is past, and a block is warranted. RadioKirk 14:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'd gladly oblige but I lack the authority (I'm not an admin). — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 14:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ah... okay, I'll redirect, thanks. RadioKirk 17:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

AfD comments

May I ask why you moved User:Ed Poor's comments to the talk page? Just curious. Thanks! — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:20, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If it was because Ed's text was outside the don't modify block, that's not Ed's fault. The block was added in the wrong spot. I'll move it back, but to the right spot. Regards, Ben Aveling 07:31, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You're right. As Ben mentioned (thanks!), the editor placing the closing templates accidentally excluded Ed's comments, but Ben fixed it before I had a chance. Thanks for being on top of this. — Knowledge Seeker দ 07:46, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Myg0t

Rather than trying to out-revert the vandal, I suggest that we should contact the admin (Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism) if the vandalism continues... --Hurricane111 20:57, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Very true. I was hoping at least somebody would notice it on RC and take some kind of action. I see that this has not happened yet. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 20:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I have set test3 on the vandals page. I will monitor this guy and report the vandal next time he/she is in action. --Hurricane111 21:00, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Just want to let you know that vandal 172.216.200.31 has repeated his act and is now banned. --Hurricane111 21:09, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Renovation Rescue

John Siegenthaler would be the only example I could think of. This vandal seems to be a different one. Another method would be to save the proper version somewhere else then speedy deleting the vandalised version and getting rid of its history before restoring the proper version. If it was to be merged into the Sarmi languages article, you'd have the vandals going there. Perhaps it might be worthwhile posting something on the Administrators noticeboard.

Capitalistroadster 22:14, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Firefox can search within the textarea

You need to install an extension. See here for more information about the bug number and extension. Wikipedia:Tools/Browser_Integration#Search_within_Textarea_Extension. Hope it helps. :) Gflores Talk 22:44, 7 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Favor

Done. In the future, you can report this at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism (indeed, I refreshed my watchlist with the intention of logging out afterword. Wasn't a problem, though.). In any case, thanks for letting me know, and the vandal is indeed blocked.--Sean|Black 08:09, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Damn, he's changing IP's. I'll protect it straight away.--Sean|Black 08:11, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Los Wages

LOL, sure thing. Johnleemk | Talk 13:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bunghole

Be Bold and go ahead; I didn't catch the thing with his username (did now, little slow on the uptake, as English isn't my native language), but thanks anyway. Happy editing. Lectonar 14:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Really sorry about that above; I didn't look at your userpage and thought you were an admin already (Isn't he already one?) I blocked him permanently now. Lectonar 14:19, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

hi

i just a kid and i have the real story how he became the man he was in 1646 i so stupie so call me back man

Reverted edits by 209.158.191.252 to User:Dlyons493

Thanks for that. Dlyons493 Talk 20:09, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You're quite welcome. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 20:11, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for reverting my user page

Booya! Reyk 22:28, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Freakofnurture

Sorry for the mix-up. I've written a note on the page on your behalf; if I was an admin I'd do it myself, of course... Shawnc 22:38, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I asked User:BDAbramson to delete it for you. Hope that doesn't happen again. Shawnc 22:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Lol. ok. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 22:50, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Semi-protection

I saw you just reverted vandalism on George W. Bush, and wondered what you thought about the proposals to curb what's going on there. If you have time, check out Wikipedia:Semi-protection policy, and weigh in (there's something of a large discussion page, so be prepared. For a quick run-through of what's been said and done, see #rehashing) Hope to see you there. -Mysekurity(have you seen this?) 23:32, 9 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{wrongtitle}} → {{lowercase}}

Thanks. I was going to change it but the template, at that time, was still being discussed or disputed or something, so I decided against it. Anyway, thanks! x42bn6 Talk 01:04, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for adminship

I've nominated you for adminship. Here's your subpage. Good luck! ---TantalumTelluride 02:02, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Geez. Thank you. I hadn't expected this. I'll try to compose myself and respond in a few minutes. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 02:05, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I assumed your were a he. Your combatant attitude towards vandalism gives you a masculine wiki-personality. If I'm wrong in my assumption, I believe it would be acceptable for you to change the pronouns in my nomination. --TantalumTelluride 02:19, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Lol. Yes I am of the male gender, thank you. I'm working on the tough questions at the bottom right now. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 02:31, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I have voted support in your nomination. Best of luck in the process! --Hurricane111 05:07, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My mistake

Wasn't sure whose turn it was. I just had to get that knight outta there :-D And your very welcome looks most deserving. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 06:40, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Godmode-light script

Ooh.. OOOH! I've been thinking about doing this very thing to the godmode-light script: adding customizable edit summaries. And you went ahead and did it - and did a bang up job too! You wonderful, wonderful man. Consider your hard work duly stolen! :) Cheers. --PeruvianLlama(spit) 07:45, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, you're too late - I had already taken the hint, before it was even given! And I thought the first few edit summaries I saw might have been (laboriously) hand-typed. But then I saw your contributions, and thought otherwise. Nothing short of masochism would make a person type out all that [[Special:Contributions/Blah|Blah]] ([[User talk.... stuff for every revert. Cheers, and good luck with the RfA! --PeruvianLlama(spit) 08:04, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies :(

Sorry, I seem to be causing you a fair bit of work... I'll try to be more careful in the future!

Tom Prankerd 07:30, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

faux-rollback, again

No, it didn't - perhaps I didn't shift-refresh properly, but it broke my other custom monobook-script-based tabs. And I was in the middle of trying to revert some wild vandalism at the time, so I just removed it instead of trying to fix it. I take it that it works for you? If so, maybe I just copied some extra punctuation or something by accident. I'll have another look at it. --PeruvianLlama(spit) 08:01, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

And as to the "P.S.", well, I don't know about "more qualified" - but I'm certainly not giving up on the idea of adminship. I just want to give myself a little more time. Thanks again, though, for your support; hopefully I will still merit it in another month or so. :) Cheers. --PeruvianLlama(spit) 08:06, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
An update - I got the "open talk page" thing working, and I also added the ability to have an "on-the-fly" customized edit summary. Typing "c <whatever>" will now give an edit summary of "Reverted <whatever> by ..." ("c" for "c"ustomized). It can all be found in here, although it might be most useful to have a look at this diff [3], since there was alot of (confusing) code-tweaking in between. :) Cheers! --PeruvianLlama(spit) 21:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your sig

You should probably avoid using a template for your sig - at the very least, make it so you use {{subst:sig}} over {{sig}}. Templates cause database load. Phil Sandifer 18:13, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Unsigned, at least, strikes me as a template that is really made for substituting as well, though. But as you will. Phil Sandifer 19:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Please read Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages#Transclusion/template and change how you're performing your signatures. While I can understand and respect your independent spirit, I think some consideration for our shared environment would be more respected. Please use simple text formatting or even a simpler form of {{subst:User:Freakofnurture/sig}}, but don't use {{unsigned}} as that is confusing and leads to extra work whenever a bot runs to subst that template. -- Netoholic @ 21:03, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Trust me, you are not being singled-out. I've confronted many other users on this point before. What your (perhaps intentionally) failing to understand is that I am not endorsing you to subst your huge signature, I am saying you need to come up with something smaller and simpler AND avoid using translusion. I'm getting the feeling, though, that you're doing all this simply to make a point. If that's true, than I'll ask that you not disrupt Wikipedia to do it. I am sure a creative person like you can come up with a non-disruptive way to have a unique signature without impacting Wikipedia's performance. -- Netoholic @ 21:40, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I'll even go a step further... if you come up with a less-HTML-saturated version of User:Freakofnurture/sig, I'll even run a bot to do the subst for you across all the various pages. You can also copy the simpler code into your user preferences, and we can get rid of the /sig altogether. Let me know if you want any help. -- Netoholic @ 21:52, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Just ignore Netoholic. Waging war against templates is almost a religion for him. Firebug 03:52, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My offer to subst your signature is open only if you simplify and greatly shorten the html code, and avoiding oddities like linking to User:Freakofnurture/ (slash) and section=new. -- Netoholic @ 15:25, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I shall resume manually substing, then. I would encourage you not to again characterize this as disruptive behavior. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 08:21, Dec. 14, 2005

Your subst:'ed signature is still too long by any reasonable standards. The overabundance of HTML code for vanity purposes is annoying, because it makes the source text of a page huge and confusing to the eyes (see Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages#Length). Often, your signature is larger than your comment.

— <b><i>[[User:Freakofnurture/|<font color="#006000" title="User:Freakofnurture">F<small>REAK OF</small> N<small>UR<sub>x</sub>TURE</small></font>]]</i> <small>(<span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User talk:Freakofnurture|action=edit&section=new}} <font color="#006000" title="User talk:Freakofnurture">TALK</font>]</span>)</small></b><small> 08:21, Dec. 14, 2005</small>

Please make it smaller by about 1/2 the character count. -- Netoholic @ 20:39, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

grrrrr

i talking abount the frost man so stop i have a book from 1500 all has infor of all the poets and how they are for real call me back p.s i bad speller

its me the kid

i talking abount the frost man so stop i have a book from 1500 all has infor of all the poets and how they are for real call me back p.s i bad speller.

its me thekid

i talking abount the frost man so stop i have a book from 1500 all has infor of all the poets and how they are for real call me back p.s i bad speller.if my teacher would have seen the word he would have don something bad to you.

hey totally new here thanks for cleaning that up lajos koltai, asc, hsc american society of cinematographers hungarian society of cinematographers

BDAbramson's RfA

Thanks for supporting my RfA (and good luck in yours!). I swear, I wasn't already an admin - but now I'll do my best as an admin to help the reality of Wikipedia live up to the dream! BDAbramson T 16:01, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Request for RfC Comment

Having been a past participant in the User:Braaad / User:68.112.201.90 "incident", I was hoping you could take a second and add any input you might have to an RfC I've written at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Braaad. Thanks. McNeight 05:47, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

WikiProject Jewish culture

Hi Freakofnurture, I was wondering whether you were interested in joining and developing a new WikiProject. While the more-established WikiProject Judaism focuses on relgious aspects of Judaism, this project intends to look at Jewish literature, music, theater, language and history, among other aspects of culture. If you are interested in helping to edit and review these articles, please join! jnothman talk 06:05, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

David Miller (musician)

Ah, yes, thanks. I sometimes forget that looking at Special:Undelete pages, even as a non-admin, means I can still see when pages are deleted. Cheers, Deathphoenix 20:56, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. I see, {{I thought you already were one}}. --Deathphoenix 21:06, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Now that you are one, congratulations. :-) --Deathphoenix 07:24, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Leeroy

Your contributions are more then welcome though I am going to remove the Notability Established part as its likely to incite problems — Falerin<talk>,<contrib> 20:50, 15 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hee! Thanks for the userpage rescue!

Heh. I got a call from my girlfriend telling me that she vandalized my userpage, so I gave a hearty groan and checked my page. Turns out that it was reverted before I could even see it! Thanks for the awesome save, mate... it was worth a good five minute's laugh at my girlfriend's expense! Now, off I go to console her. ;-) -T-Boy 17:33, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Because You Exist

Watch Out For Ayn Rand In There!

I have higher standards than our friend, and you've met them. Congrats on your rfa, I look forward to your new admin contributions. karmafist 04:34, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Congratulations!

Congratulations! It's my pleasure to let you know that, consensus being reached, you are now an administrator. You should read the relevant policies and other pages linked to from the administrators' reading list before carrying out tasks like deletion, protection, banning users, and editing protected pages such as the Main Page. Most of what you do is easily reversible by other sysops, apart from page history merges and image deletion, so please be especially careful with those. You might find the new administrators' how-to guide helpful. Cheers! -- Cecropia 05:37, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My RFA

Hi Freakofnurture, it's SWD316. Please try to here my side of the story. User:Mcfly85 has been annoying me for what seems likes weeks now. The previous RFA was so frustrating that I snapped. Mcfly85 voted 3 times oppose the last RFA. He created sockpuppets and voted twice. Now he is having to deal with his RFAr. Being bipolar doesn't seem to help the situation when I got mad. I never ment anything put on my user page that day. I was just mad at myself for allowing Mcfly85 to get to head like that. Please reconsider, at least neutral, and take what I said to heart. I edit in nothing but good faith. I which people knew that before Mcfly85 ran around Wikipedia spreading lies. Thank you for listening -- SWD316 05:45, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that Mcfly is guilty of gross disruption and might be best handled with an indefinite block. But, cursing and swearing about the situation does absolutely nothing to help your cause. An admin candidate should demonstrate a higher standard of behavior than that. I will consider supporting you in a few months if all goes well. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 05:55, Dec. 17, 2005

Congratulations!

Let me offer the first non-bureaucrat congrats. KnowledgeOfSelf | talk 06:22, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

You are l33t cabal1st! :) Seriously, though, congrats. You earned it.--Sean|Black 06:31, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Congratulations, and you're quite welcome. --King of All the Franks 06:40, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Congratulations! You'll be a terrific sysop. I've been meaning to get around to creating a user page, and I finally have done so. —Lifeisunfair 11:36, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Congrats! --Syrthiss 12:37, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Congrats on adminship. You'll make a great admin. --a.n.o.n.y.m t 15:15, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Somewhat belated congrats! HGB 15:59, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you!

Thanks for voting on my RfA! The final result was (36/1/2), so I'm now an administrator! Your RfA's getting even more votes than mine! You're more qualified than me! *pouts sarcastically* Mo0[talk] 06:29, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your Rfa

Congratulations on your new mop! Sango123 (talk) 16:19, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Congrats and you are quite welcome! Banes 07:04, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

same here. And no probs with support - you'll be a fine admin. Grutness...wha? 07:45, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • Congrats and all the best for your new role as an administrator. And, a very happy New Year. --Bhadani 11:07, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • You're welcome and congrats. See you in AFD. PJM 13:24, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • I guess I had a good idea. Congratulations on your adminship. And thanks for all your hard work on Wikipedia. --TantalumTelluride 02:33, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No Problem On The Barn

Hey, i'm making a new signature, I'm thinking of having the "karm" all in blue(each letter in different kinds of blue) and "fist" all in red(each letter in different kinds of red) and the "a" in green or maybe having the kar-maf-ist with blue-green-red(different on each). What do you think? karmafist 07:31, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Impressive work!

Congratulations on getting the mop. I see you're doing some great work with it already, doing tricky history repairs and hacking at backlogs. - Haukur 16:17, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vandals

Wiktionary page: when reverting a vandal, please always check his edit history, if you want to find more work for yourself :-). mikka (t) 18:31, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Your input on AfD is requested

I have entered an AfD for the article Chair force. I feel this is an inherently POV article that is degrading to the United States Air Force and besides, there is already an entry in military slang for this topic. I would appreciate it if you would review the article, other comments and if you are so disposed, please add your opinion/comment. Thanks. --rogerd 19:37, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Corbin, Kentucky:Temp

Thanks for going through the proper steps to substitute the new article for the old one. I wasn't sure how to go about it. Could you walk me through the steps, so that I will know how to do it next time? You can reply on my talk page, if you wish. Thanks! --Tom Allen 00:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Plx

Your message on my talk page is driving me crazy! What does plx mean?! --TantalumTelluride 04:41, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Closing afds

Please slow down and follow the full deletion process when closing afds. I had to clean up four articles today where you neither removed the afd notice from the article nor placed an {{oldafdfull}} notice on the talk page. —Cryptic (talk) 16:26, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

re: Merged your talk page back together

Great, thanks! Blackcap (talk) (vandalfighters, take a look) 16:28, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My username

I'm originally from Anchorage, now I live in the Copper River Basin. Are you from Alaska? —akghetto talk 17:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Nice! I went on a trip to Healy this past summer (not to visit the park, to visit Healy) and ended up going on a raft (and swim!) trip down the Nenana. I love that canyon, although they recenly opened a Subway which kind of spoils the place IMHO. —akghetto talk 17:31, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

SWD316 RFA

I want you to see the comment under the "comments" section I left at My RFA. It partially involves you. I am glad you commented. SWD316 22:55, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Choad/Chode

You wrote on Wikipedia:Redirects for deletion that redirecting choad and chode to penis would be a bad idea, because those words have multiple meanings (diff). I now closed the discussion. I agree that a disamb page would be better, but unfortunately I have no idea what these meanings are, so I did redirect the articles to penis. Please do feel free to write a disamb page. Cheers, Jitse Niesen (talk) 13:36, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bogdanov Affair bans

Hello. Just letting you know that when you block users for contributing to Bogdanov Affair, you need to add them to this list. I added the 3 you've done today onto the list. it's basically as a guide for us admins since the users often try variations on the names that have been blocked already. Thanks. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 18:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That sounds great to me. I'm glad you got those ones. I was starting to think I was the only one still blocking them. :) I can understand though. The whole thing is a pain in the neck. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 18:44, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Just blocked another one. it's like a fungus. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 19:16, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Test4 linebreaking

Oops, forgot about the sig! Sorry about that. However, placing the linebreak at the beginning breaks any warning lists they're placed in. I've removed the line break, since neither case is desireable. // Pathoschild 19:08, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To prevent the confusion that results from the lack of any organisational standard (such as on 152.163.100.200's talk page), many talk pages are organised in lists grouped by month (such as 166.66.202.80's talk page). However, adding a linebreak at the start of the template seperates it from the list item, causing an unsightly jump and resetting the numbering scheme. // Pathoschild 19:24, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Aspergian Wikipedians

Yeah, there's no problem there. It's who I am, I fuck up social interactions on a regular basis apparently. Just ask Bishonen. karmafist 21:06, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

It has its strengths and weaknesses, but i'd give it up in a second if I could. Take for example, Isaac Newton. You're right, it was theorized that he was an "Aspie", and rightly so because even though he was one of the most intelligent human beings ever to live, in many ways he was a total dumbass. I mean, who the jabs the corners of their eyeballs with needles to "see what happens"[4]?

If you saw somebody doing that, what would you think? Be honest, don't go PC on me here, I'd think he's ,as we say up here in New England,"retahded".

Throughout my life, I have been scorned for less severe, but nonetheless just as taboo minor social eccentricities. For example, right now I am wearing the hood of a jacket indoors even though I am not cold. Others might be staring at me saying "Why does he look like that?" I say "Why the fuck can't I wear my hood indoors?" Fortunately, right now I don't need anything from anyone else who isn't indebted to my needs in some way and people in general are as self-absorbed in their own endeavors anyhow, so I have no need to succor anyone else at the present moment.

I should just take Wikipedia the same way as well. karmafist 21:31, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

George W. Bush

Good catch~of vandalism, you beat me to it... - JVG 11:58, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Thanks for reverting vandalism on my userpage!
FireFox 15:17, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimeister

I second the block, and have just kicked out some of his socks. After responding to his spurious claim I checked his contribs and would have blocked him myself except for the fact that he already was. HAND. Radiant_>|< 20:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Proposed changes to WP:RFD

Yo Freak:

Since you're one of the folks who has been closing RFD nominations lately, I wanted to get your input on my proposal to change RFD.

You can find the proposal at the bottom of Wikipedia talk:Redirects for deletion. The important bits at this point are under the "Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair" heading. There's some other discussion that I, of course, find endlessly fascinating, but you may not.

Anyhow, if you could chip in with a "Yay" or a "Nay" or a "Needs work" on the talk page, that would be swell. I kinda wanna be able to point at "These guys said it was okay" before I make any big changes.

All the best.
→ Ξxtreme Unction|yakkity yak 00:45, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

malo's RfA

Thank you!
Thank you!
Freakofnurture, thanks for your support on my RFA. I was rather suprised at the overwhelming support I received. Thank you for your confidence in me. I hope that I'll live up to your expectations in the future as well. -- malo (tlk) (cntrbtns) 05:08, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

New pages race

Aagh, you moved Steal before I did! Oh, the ignominy! I must go commit ritual suicide now. Cheers, Melchoir 09:22, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No it's ok

I had moved the article because it had quotation marks in it. I accidentally only removed one of the quotation marks. It's ok to kill the redirects. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 11:31, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Meh. We all make mistakes. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 11:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Musilanguage

Is it just me or is this OR? I asked for refs, but the only cite is from the book itself. - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 23:38, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Madhuri Guin

You have closed the above as no consensus and remarked as "all talk, no consensus." There was a clear consensus that it should not be in the article space and that it must be userfied. If you find it difficult to wade through long discussions, you should probably not close such afd discussions. Please review the discussion at above and review your closure. Thanks, --Gurubrahma 18:28, 23 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thanks for userfying the same and honouring the consensus that it should not remain in user space. Also, thanks for your precise and to-the-point reply on my talkpage. --Gurubrahma 05:47, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kicking horse of scope creep

Thanks for the note - it is customary for admins to sign their AfD closes, but no harm done. BDAbramson T 20:57, 24 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

DrKinsey

Well, feel free to use your own judgment. -- Curps 08:35, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Izehar's RfA

Hi Freakofnurture,

I would like to thank you for your kind support on my RfA. I'll do my best to be a good administrator. If you need anything or if I ever do something I shouldn't have, please, don't hesitate to drop me a line. Izehar 16:48, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wishes

I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a happy New Year. --Bhadani 17:24, 25 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Irregular vote count

Please explain your tallying of votes in the extraordilarily prolonged poll on deleting the articles for Larvatus. While the results registered within the standard five day period tally up in favor of keeping this article. Herewith a tabulation of time/date stamps on the votes presently accounted for:

Keep 1. FeloniousMonk 08:27, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 2. Jim62sch 10:07, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 3. Autarch 17 December 2005 (UTC) 4. Guettarda 16:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 5. JJay 18:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC) 6. Cberlet 23:49, 15 December 2005 (UTC) 7. Plumbago (with qualifiers) 18:04, 16 December 2005 (UTC) 8. RoyBoy 04:47, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Delete 1. Jeffrey O. Gustafson 08:01, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 2. jni 09:34, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 3. Reyk 09:39, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 4. Proto 15:32, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 5. Twp Tim Pierce 19:49, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 6. rodii 22:22, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 7. Dschor (userfy) 22:46, 14 December 2005 (UTC) 8. Eusebeus 10:46, 16 December 2005 (UTC) 9. Daycd (David D.) 19 December 2005 (UTC) 10. Karmafist 07:07, 23 December 2005 (UTC) 11. Locke Cole 10:18, 23 December 2005 (UTC) 12. Pierremenard (not signed in) 10:38, 23 December 2005 (UTC) 13. Squibix 14:52, 23 December 2005 (UTC) 14. Agnte 21:28, 23 December 2005 (UTC) 15. Just zis Guy, you know? 22:32, 23 December 2005 (UTC) 16. Gamaliel 02:20, 24 December 2005 (UTC) 17. Zoe 03:04, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Please note that all but the first nine "Delete" votes were logged in outside of the five day discussion period mandated by the Wikipedia protocol. Whereas all eight votes counted as "Keep" fit within this period. Accordingly, the existing tabulation falls short of establishing the Wikipedia-mandated 2:1 consensus in favor of deletion. Additionally, the vote tally disregarded a timely "Keep" vote properly logged in by user Tristes tigres at 22:40, 15 December 2005 (UTC). Since the user in question is a Wikipedian in good standing, the correct vote tally should count 9 Keeps against 9 Deletes. Larvatus 02:06, 27 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus[reply]

Larvatus, please note that unlike WP:RFA, items on AfD stay there for a minimum of five days. We often leave entries that haven't reached a clear consensus for much longer than five days; all votes cast before the entry is closed are valid. Owen× ☎ 02:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your explanation. Is this policy documented anywhere on Wikipedia? Larvatus 03:00, 27 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus[reply]
The two relevant pages are Wikipedia:Deletion policy and Wikipedia:Deletion process. You may also be interested in reading Wikipedia:Deletion guidelines for administrators. Hope this helps! Owen× ☎ 03:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks again. Larvatus 03:14, 27 December 2005 (UTC)larvatus[reply]

{{user democrat}}

The edit war is currently being resolved, and the donkey is a copyvio: fair use is not for templates. I already handled this for the counterpart (republican) template. Please consider unlocking this soon. Thanks.--HereToHelp (talk) 04:09, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. It's unlocked again.--HereToHelp (talk) 13:06, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John D'Agostino

Not that much turns on the matter, but shouldn't you have closed this discussion as a straight keep? I count 3 delete votes and 4 keep votes, with the argument being more reasoned on the keep side. --- Charles Stewart 13:52, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that the "delete" side in this discussion was rather vague, but I think it would have needed two additional keep votes (or at least one good one) to be a "straight keep", hence no consensus. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 14:01, Dec. 27, 2005
Thanks for your explanation. I have the idea that you need a rough consensus for a delete outcome, buit only a simple majority for a keep outcome, but now I come to look for that rule, I don't see it. --- Charles Stewart 14:52, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Brandt

Good work concluding the US v Daniel Brandt page, but you made a minor error in the summing up: The result was actually keep not no consensus, as 56% of the votes were keep. You are right that to delete a consensus needs to be a super-majority, but not for keep. Keep is a default if there is no consensus (i.e. 50-c.70%), that is when there is no consensus - default to keep, but a majority for keep = keep.

Yours, jucifer 14:51, 27 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

whatlinkshere

Hi FoN - you wrote: It's a relief that SFD is aware of this issue, though it further illustrates the disparity between SFD and the outside world. Regardless of otherwise clashing opinions on the topic, I'd like to thank you for making that point clear. You should venture out more often.

s'alright. The problem was discussed for a while on VP(tech), so I assumed that anyone dealing with templates would know about it. Perhaps its the people at TFD who need to venture out :). Grutness...wha? 05:45, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

My RfA

Gratz teh adminship. Now back-stab them all by changing your name back, lol. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 05:53, Dec. 28, 2005

LOL, indeed! Your joke vote also was hilarious, incidentally. Thanks very much for your support! David Levy 06:37, 28 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Subst

Do you mean when I warned User:68.103.206.56? OK, I did not know. Which templates do I add subst: to, and why? *confused* --Gary Kirk (talk) 17:31, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

OK, thank you for explaining this :) --Gary Kirk (talk) 17:48, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vanispamcruftisement

I liked it so much I made Wikipedia:Vanispamcruftisement; what a great word, and so useful! - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 18:16, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

RE: David Duke

Thanks, I do my best. Citizen Premier 01:15, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

How do I create disambiguation pages?

Dear Freakofnurture,

How can I create disambiguation pages? For that matter, how do I create any pages at all? In the past I've only edited existing ones. Regards, DrKinsey 15:28, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

NAMBLA

Would you trust a member of NAMBLA, to watch one of your kids? NAMBLA is a pedophile right or, and it has very little, if nothing, to contribute to gay rights. If anything NAMBLA hurts the gay community, as well documented by the gay community distancing itself from NAMBLA. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PSYact (talk • contribs)

PSYact, NAMBLA's trustworthiness, its reputation, your opinion of it -- all of these things might mean a lot to you, but they do not figure into the question of whether NAMBLA is a gay organization. Please address that question before making any more unilateral alterations to the article. Thanks Corax 16:55, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of a chess player are u if you dont know anything?

THE OFFICIAL DEATH CERTIFICATE

BY RUSSIAN GOVERNMENT SAYS DEC 21 1879 AND YOUR OTHER LANGUAGE WIKIPEDIAS SAY SAME, GROW UP, WILL YOU! STOP REMOVING KATYN, HISTORICAL PLACE, THIS IS VANDALISM! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Projects (talk • contribs)

OMG WTF I"VE BEEN TROLLLED — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 00:34, Dec. 31, 2005

Discussion on dab page reverts

Please see the MoS:DP talk page for a discussion I have started regarding your recent edits. --TreyHarris 07:09, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vanispamcruftisement continued...

I've been working on the Wikipedia:WikiProject Spam a bit and came up with this: Wikipedia:Spam Event Horizon - Just zis  Guy, you know? [T]/[C] AfD? 13:58, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

podcruft?

In you recent edit to WITF you had a summary of "rv. self to remove podcruft". Mind explaining what "podcruft" is and why you felt in neccessary to revert? Your version includes information such as frequency and station number which isn't really required on a dab page. Thanks/wangi 14:36, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ah right, makes sense now! Thanks/wangi 15:15, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Záluží

[ snip redirect story ]

Thanks for keeping eye on it. I am practically the only one creating stubs for Czech villages - there are several thousands of them and mere 200 had been covered so far. Pavel Vozenilek 17:35, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Re: ADD

Thanks! I didn't know such a category existed. I have no problem with positive edits to my user page (which has only been vandalized once). -- Hurricane Eric - my dropsonde - archive 21:53, 31 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Question re beta testing templates

Thank you for moving my test template to the correct location -- I had attempted to put it in my user space but hadn't done so correctly. I am wondering if you would be so kind as to explain to me how I can make my test template available for beta testing by the other editors who are also working on the page for which I have designed it? I developed it to address certain difficulties that we have had while working on the page in question. Could I, for example, set it up on a subpage of that page so that it would be available for those of us working on that page, but not for anyone else?

thanks!

Greetings Freakofnurture,
I wish to offer my gratitude for supporting me on my recent nomination for adminship, which passed with the final tally of 65/4/3. If you would ever desire my assistance in anything, or wish to give me feedback on any actions I take, feel free to let me know. Cheers! Elle vécut heureusement toujours dorénavant (Be eudaimonic!) 09:27, 1 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your vote on US-street-stub SFD

Your reasoning refered to "stub types that differ only in capitalization, spacing, or punctuation", however {{US-street-stub}} doesn't appear to differ from {{US-road-stub}} in any of those ways. Was that comment in fact what you intended? (not that I disagree with your conclusion, the reasoning just seems odd for that particular redirect) --Mairi 07:16, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

WikiMedal

A Barnstar! I award you this WikiMedal for Janitorial Services for your work clearing the Wikipedia:Cut and paste move repair holding pen. Thryduulf 15:22, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The whole Inclusive Democracy business

This is ulayiti's Gold Star. It's a good thing. Freakofnurture has been awarded ulayiti's Gold Star for extremely professional handling of the whole affair with Inclusive Democracy and related articles.

Hi, I thought all you did with the stuff relating to the Inclusive Democracy entry was really great, and I'd like to present you this award for it. Especially your detailed explanation of your actions and defence of policy at Wikipedia:Deletion review/The International Journal of Inclusive Democracy was something I've rarely, if ever, seen on Wikipedia. Keep up the good work! - ulayiti (talk) 16:34, 3 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Horses In The Sky

Yeah that was me, sorry, I'm trying to make a user box but finding it really hard to get one that's good.

Regarding my user page

Thanks for watching out for me, however, I was actually editing anonymously under 68.223.201.72! I must have accidentally logged out, and I did not know that I was not editing under Super-Magician until after I posted the edit. -- Super-Magician (talk • contribs • count) ★ 16:05, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

4 January 2005

Please don't bother threatening me when you are allowing your personal biases to get in the way of your administrative responsibilities. Thanks. --AaronS 16:08, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stop being lazy and look at the talk page yourself. I think that you have other users to worry about -- that is, if you can keep your bias in check. --AaronS 16:16, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you're going to make changes to the KM page, please make an improvement. The way you're changing the introductory definition makes it difficult to understand. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.103.223.3 (talk • contribs)

What are you talking about??? — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 16:15, Jan. 4, 2006

Hi Freak of Nurture

Yes, I have to figure out how to use the sandbox. Sorry about that, new to this. But the KM page before, it needed a lot of work. Many hours spent in rewriting it. All the references had to go.

Don


Sago Mine Disaster

Just wanted to say thanks for helping clear up the confusions on the Sago Mine Disaster page. Joe McCullough | (talk) 17:27, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Mines

Yeah, I saw that, and indicated at RM why I think adopting a titling scheme based on a single document is a bad idea. (Actaully, that's the reason. It adopts that document's POV, when we should just cite it in the article and choose a neutral title.) And yes, Disaster should be lowercase. -Splashtalk 17:29, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree with each of those points, and suggested "incident" on the talk page. I don't think RM should be discussing this at present (and I said so over there) because the article is too busy to use a relative backwater to effect a wide-ranging rename scheme. -Splashtalk 17:34, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
2005 Sago Mine incident? There might be one in the future... -Splashtalk 17:40, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Let's see how long that lasts...I get the feeling it will move back to "disaster" fairly soon. -Splashtalk 17:46, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My bad on the year. Sorry. -Splashtalk 17:56, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh who has moved it again? The history is really confusing and shows no sign of the move. And whoever it is (Daniel Case?) is repeatedly leaving the talk page behind. -Splashtalk 18:01, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I can't work out what's happening. Anyway, you moved it back to incident and got the talk page with it, which is good. -Splashtalk 18:02, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

So it's back at disaster. Oh well. At least it has a year and a lowercase 'd'. Yes, I use IRC from time to time. -Splashtalk 18:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sago Mine moves

I cut-and-pasted because the article with the title I wanted to use already existed as a redirect page. Would a regular move have handled this?

In any event, this would never have happened if there were some agreed-upon protocol for naming the page, thus preventing all the moves. I chose "January, 2, 2006 Sago mining disaster" to begin with because I thought that was the most appropriate name based on all the other current event articles I had seen (I chose the full date because the year is young and there could, of course, be yet another disaster later in the year. No one named last summer's London-bombings article "July 2005 London bombings" and it was a good thing because two weeks later there were some more attempted bombings). At the time I, and everyone else it seemed, was unaware that there is an industry standard for differentiating between "mining accidents" (>5 dead) and "mining disasters (<5 dead). This should be written on the category page for the latter, and we should create a "mining accidents" category as well.

But is there some standard for naming current-event articles? I realize it's a difficult task, but without it, it seems to me, you get situations like what we just got. Daniel Case 17:45, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh for Pete's sake? 2005 Sago mining incident? What are you thinking? First you forget what year it is, then you trivialize the deaths of twelve people.
Let's stick with "Sago Mine disaster". If in the event that the mine reopens and there is another disaster later this year, we can rename and move then. None of the other articles about mine disasters have the year in the title. Daniel Case 17:51, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You should not move pages that are move-protected. Please don't make any more moves until the discussion is finished. ed g2s • talk 18:13, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's not move protected. (And shouldn't be.) -Splashtalk 18:17, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, it wasn't, my mistake. I haven't used move protections before, and was confused by the greyed-out box. It is protected now. ed g2s • talk 18:25, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks from SylwiaS

Thanks for taking care of my User page. :) --SylwiaS | talk 19:46, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Approval from Jokermage

For your hard work and really nifty User page (I used parts of it as inspiration for my page), I give you approval!

Jokermage "Timor Mentum Occidit" 03:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

An assortment of insults from IP 68.63.113.44

Listen buddy, you and your little administrator friends really piss me off. I like to have a little fun and play around with stuff. If you want to change it back, that's fine, but at least save me the enjoyment of being able to view my edits within the systems distinguished under my IP address. Since you guys are all "so good" with computers, then why don't you try to fucking impress me and allow me to view my edits myself, so the rest of the world can view the correct revisions. I'm thinking about creating a page about one of you assholes and deliberately making you sound like a bunch of dirty fucks. So stop fucking with me, or I will fuck with you. Just because I'm not an administrator doesn't mean I don't have the power to get you back in the virtual world. Let me have my enjoyment please. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.63.113.44 (talk • contribs)

Vandalism by 168.99.197.187

The user 168.99.197.187 has vandalized History of the Kashmir conflict page. You have already given him last warning.User:Siddiqui 19:19, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, and query.

Sorry about that vandalism, that was my irritating little brother who got on my account and vandalised some stuff.

Recently, I created an article called "Destructive revolution" about the band I am in. I wrote a long and informative piece, which took me a long while to write. However a week a so later I see that it no longer exists. Why?

Regards, - Mark (Mark simpsonsfan (talk · contribs))

AHAHHAHHH

Nice shortcut to the Communism vandal's page! 68.39.174.238 03:27, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The pics/templates are nice too. You might want to check out the North Carolina vandal aswell ;D! 68.39.174.238 04:03, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank's for the welcome!

Thanks, it's good to be here.

Unblocking 193.112.229.153

Thank you :-) --Gary Kirk (talk) 15:10, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I remember seeing on the user page of some IP address a template that listed who it was registered to, that it was a proxy and is usually used by {user}, do you know what this template is called/where to find it? Oh, and by the way, I remembered to subst: something the other day (can't remember what it was, but meh. Needed to be susbt'). --Gary Kirk (talk) 15:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the heads up on troll

We actually got hit with a wheels vandal yesterday with the name of Woohookitty sleeps with prostitutes. LOL Even more priceless is that JoanneB got OhNoTheyKilledJoanneB and JoanneB is a Wikipedia prostitute or some such. We're poopular. :) Anyway, the block you did was fine. And appreciated. Thanks. --Woohookitty(cat scratches) 15:28, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

Does the error look like this Image:WikiBrowser_bug.jpg? thanks Martin 16:18, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It is a scripting error in Internet Explorer, I dont know if there is anything I can do to fix that, sorry. Martin 16:38, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
AWB uses the IE core, make sure you have the newest version, maybe try disabling scripting errors. Martin 17:08, 6 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:NoSeptember/List of U.S. Presidents by time as former president

Per your comment at my user subpage. An article derived from it has already been created here: List of U.S. Presidents by time as former president. I admit that the title is not great, but I am also not thrilled with your suggestion either, though if you moved it, I wouldn't complain. In {{Potuslists}}, it is referred to as: Rank of post-presidency length. It is hard to come up with a short but easily understandable title for this article. Maybe you can add your suggestion to the article talk page and we can see if someone can come up with something that fits well. :) NoSeptember talk 12:27, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I don't delete my subpages, but almost all have already been turned into articles. NoSeptember talk 12:31, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

RFD

Dunno if you noticed, but I reversed the order the days were listed in earlier this week. The RFD you just closed was nominated less than 24 hours ago. =) Ξxtreme Unction|yakkity yak 13:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Question

It's been explained on the NAMBLA talk page that the group was originally founded by men seeking to end criminal sanctions on relationships between pederasts and their teenage male lovers. Why, then, do you still insist on calling the organization a pedophile one? A pedophile is somebody who likes prepubescent kids, generally without regard to the sex of the kid. Corax 22:34, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps that is true, but the now popular meaning of the word "pedophile" is scientifically invalid. I'd like to think wikipedians would adhere to the scientifically accurate usage, and not the Fox News usage, when discussing issues that hinge on such semantics. Corax 23:18, 7 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

pet peeve

One of my lesser known pet peeves is related to this revert you did. Specifically, that the ":" (colon symbol) at the start of the line translates into the HTML element <DD>, which makes it a "Definition description". It's supposed to be paired with <DT> (Definition term) and create a definition list. This is why use of it only to indent is not a good practice, and why I used the CSS class="notice" to perform that. Using the CSS class also allows readers to hide or modify how those lines work (turn it bright yellow, if they wanted). Of course, we do use : all the time as a shortcut on talk pages, but we should avoid it where we can on articles, and a template should avoid it completely since it's "hands-off". Editors don't need to type the text out, and readers won't notice any difference. A good example is Template:Disambig which uses a simple CSS class in a similar way, which then produces indent and the double-line effect. -- Netoholic @ 09:27, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Consistency would be good. Many of those are protected currently, but a lot are listed on Template talk:Otheruses1. -- Netoholic @ 09:39, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Pgk's RFA

Thanks for your support on my request for adminship.

The final outcome was (80/3/0), so I am now an administrator. I was flattered by the level of support and the comments, so I'm under real pressure not to disappoint, thus if you have any queries, suggestions or problems with any of my actions as an admin then please leave me a note --pgk(talk) 11:41, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Linkspam?

What do you think? Linkspam or not? [5] Joyous | Talk 19:05, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

cut paste fix

Thanks.—jiy (talk) 20:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Main template lost indentation

Hi, Main template needs to be indented. cf. new and old appearances. --Stbalbach 23:21, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Main pages: User talk:Freakofnurture § pet peeve, and User talk:Netoholic § indenting
Twenty-four hours I would have agreed with what you're trying to say. — FREAK OF NURxTURE (TALK) 23:27, Jan. 8, 2006
I don't understand. All I know is main is now no longer indented, decided on by private discussions between two people not involving anyone on the main template talk page changing its appearance which has been in place since the template was first created. --Stbalbach 23:40, 8 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok understood, better in the big picture. Can you weigh in on the "white space" discussion, what might be happening there? --Stbalbach 00:45, 9 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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