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'''The Sten Chronicles''' are a series of eight [[military science fiction|military]] [[science fiction]] [[novel]]s by [[Chris Bunch]] and [[Allan Cole]]. The series was originally published by [[Del Rey Books|Del Rey]] and then re-released by [[Orbit Books|Orbit]]. Also called '''Sten Adventures'''. |
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==Plot overview== |
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The books follow Sten, a young man born and raised on a dangerous factory world and saved from life as an outlaw by the head of Imperial Intelligence, Ian Mahoney. Mahoney takes Sten from the terrible world of his birth and enlists him in the military. Sten is thrust into a world of espionage, covert military actions, and galactic politics. His original training is in the super-secret covert ops group known as Mantis. The missions and actions taken are usually known only to a select few. However, a series of crucial missions ensures that Sten rises swiftly in rank until he becomes a troubleshooter and friend to the Emperor himself. |
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== "Unsatisfying mythological element" == |
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The series of 8 books are set three thousand years in the future. A vast empire, limited only by the universe itself, is ruled by the Eternal Emperor, a man who appears to be in his thirties but is in fact thousands of years old. He has mastered death in a way no one has guessed since the beginning of his rule. The source of his power is a powerful fuel called Anti-Matter Two (AM2). It is what fuels everything from the star ships that link the Empire, to industrial factories, to camping heaters. Only he controls its supply and price. And only he knows where to find it. It is only for this reason that he is able to rule. |
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I'm not quite sure what the following line in the article means: ''In accordance with the script changes, the "unsatisfying mythological element" of Sam's story was removed.'' The portion that is in quotes does not in fact appear in the source cited. The source article is quite vague and contradictory, saying both that they removed the ambiguity as well as creating a deeper mystery. Perhaps the best way to summarize it is simply to state that the "mythology of Sam Tyler" is changed.--[[User:Trystan|Trystan]] ([[User talk:Trystan|talk]]) 21:50, 7 August 2008 (UTC) |
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==Series== |
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*''[[Sten Adventures Book 1: Sten|Sten]]'' (September 1982) |
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*''[[Sten Adventures Book 2: The Wolf Worlds|The Wolf Worlds]]'' (March 1984) |
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*''[[Sten Adventures Book 3: The Court of a Thousand Suns|The Court of a Thousand Suns]]'' (January 1985) |
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*''[[Sten Adventures Book 4: Fleet of the Damned|Fleet of the Damned]]'' (April 1988) |
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*''[[Sten Adventures Book 5: Revenge of the Damned|Revenge of the Damned]]'' (February 1989) |
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*''[[Sten Adventures Book 6: The Return of the Emperor|The Return of the Emperor]]'' (November 1990) |
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*''[[Sten Adventures Book 7: Vortex|Vortex]]'' (June 1992) |
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*''[[Sten Adventures Book 8: Empire's End|Empire's End ]]'' (March 1993) |
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I've got a bad feeling about this. Still, can't be as bad as the first US pilot - or can it? I'm more interested in series 2 of Ashes to Ashes.[[Special:Contributions/71.205.222.97|71.205.222.97]] ([[User talk:71.205.222.97|talk]]) 03:24, 20 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Alex Kilgour's Jokes == |
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Alex Kilgour is Sten's right-hand partner in serving the Eternal Enperor. Alex is from a high-gee world (and thus very strong) and has a distinctive Scottish accent as well as a propensity to tell truly horrendous jokes. |
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== Two very British things, and what will replace them? == |
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'''Marcus and Flavius''', ''The Court of a Thousand Suns'', pp. 132-135 (1985 publishing) |
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My Australian friend told me about the British show, and how one was being done based on it in the U.S.. As I told him, there are 2 big things that are different that couldn't be part of the series. I was curious as to what they would be replaced with, and thought this would make a good idea for expanding the show's article. |
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“Ah’m tellin’t a story aboot Old Earth. Before e’en the Emperor. Back when we Scots ran free an’ bare-leggit on a wee green island. But e’en then, afore the Emperor, there was an Empire. Romans, they were call’t. An because they were sore afrait a’ the wee Scots, they built this braw great wall across the island. Wi’ us on one side, an’ them on the other.Hadrian’s Wall, it was namit. But e’en then, bus’ness was bus’ness. So a’ course, tha’ were gates in th’ wall, for folks to go backit an’ forth. A’ course there were guard on th’ gate. On th’ evenin’ in question, there wa’ two guards on th’ wall, Marcus and Flavius … |
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… Now here’s Marcus, who’s been on the wee isle for years an’ years. But puir Flavius, he’s only been there for a month or so. An’ the puir lad’s scarit solid. He dinna like th’ food, he dinna like ht’ weather, an’ most a’ all, he’s messin’ his tunic aboot th’ Scots. ‘Dinna Fash,’ Marcus tells him. ‘Aboot nine a’ th’ evenin’t, y’ll be hearin’t a braw whoopin’t an’ hollerin’t an’ carryin’t on. ‘Tha’ll just be the Scots comin’t oot a’ th’ grogshops. But y’ll noo have to worry.’ But Flavius is worrin’t … |
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… So noo it’s nigh nine, and sure enow, there’s whoopin’t an hollerin’t an’ carryin’t on. And aye, doon the street toward our wee Romans comit this braw great cluster a’ Scots. An’ they’re hairy an’ dirty an’ wearin’t bearskins and carryin’t great axes a’ claymores. And Flavius knows he’s gone to die, here on this barren isle light-years from his own’t beautiful Rome. So he’s shakin’t an’ shiverin’t. But Marcus, he’s got this braw smile on his face a’ this horrible horde comit staggerin’t up. ‘Evenin’,’ he says. ‘Clottin’ Romans,’ comit th’ growl, an’ somebody unlimbers a sword. ‘You’re lookin’t good a’ this night,’ Marcus goes on. ‘Clottin’ Romans,’ is the solo thing he gets back, an’ th’ Scots are e’en closer, an’ Flavius can smell their stinki’t breath, an’ he’s a dead mon. ‘Nice night tonight,’ Marcus keeps goin’t. ‘Clottin’ Romans,’ comes again. Flavius hae his wee eyes shut, not wantin’ t’ see the blade tha’ rips his guts out an’ all. But nae happen’t. All th’ braw hairy killer monskers pass through the gate. An Flavius is still alive. He relaxes then. Takit twa deep breaths, grins a’ Marcus, an’ says, ‘Y’re right. Tha Scots na be so bad.’ ‘Aye, lad. You’re learnin,’ Marcus comes back. ‘But in another hour, when their men get done drinkin’t, p’raps there’ll be a wee spot a’ trouble.’ As usual when Alex finished one of his stories, there was uncomprehending silence.” |
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1. The Test Card Girl - I, at least, have never seen her in the U.S., I know our test patterns are quite different, so American audiences would be very confused if she was there; I presume Annie Cartwright is the answer to this one, since she's the only one he tells he's from the future, etc.? |
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== External links == |
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* [http://www.acole.com/novels/sten/sten.html Allan Cole: The Sten Chronicles]—the co-author's official page, including sample chapters and "The Sten Cookbook". |
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* [http://www.acole.com/bib.html#sten The Sten Chronicles]—from Allan Cole's bibliography. |
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2. The biggest (perhaps why ABC demanded a rewrite?) - my friend told me that British police shows were all about mishandled evidence, illegal confessions, and the like - clearly, if he goes back to 1973, it's still the time when you hve the Miranda warnings, even our police dramas were much, much cleaner than the British and the police more competent, and so on. So, will it be, as we discussed, "[[Starsky and Hutch]]/[[Columbo]] instead of (whatever British show he mentioned)." Because, as my friend said, a lot of what happened seemed to come from British 1970s shows. |
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As an aside, I wonder if there will be a Very Special TV Moment when Sam Tyler first sees the Twin Towers standing. I told my friend that scene would be something awesome to see, if done right, though I don't watch TV myself anymore; too busy with other stuff. [[User:DTF955|Somebody or his brother]] ([[User talk:DTF955|talk]]) 21:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Definitely things which the article should address when we can find sources on them, but so far I haven't heard anything. I would guess that the Test Card Girl would be replaced with a suitable American 70s iconic figure, or perhaps not, depending on how they've changed the mythology of the show. I think there is a sufficient tradition of [[Dirty Harry]]-like depictions of 70s policing for an American Gene Hunt archetype to resonate, but it will be interesting as you say to see how the style changes.--[[User:Trystan|Trystan]] ([[User talk:Trystan|talk]]) 00:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:New York City (NYC) had test patterns (still do, I think on broadcast TV) after broadcast tranmissions terminated but no human figure...it will be interesting. They did play the national anthem as I recall. As far as police procedures, the early 1970's was a brutal time in NYC as well as Manchester UK. Muggings, rape. Crime was a HUGE issue. Charles Bronson (actor) had a huge hit with his movie "Death Wish" series in 1974. Puerto Ricans and African Americans were the majority minority groups of the time. Dominicans, Arabs, Russians, Mexicans, and Africans, Indians, Pakistanis were not in significant populations at the time And as mentioned above, Dirty Harry, althogh based in San Francisco California, wasn't at all concerned with evidentary rules and Miranda rights. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.119.194.71|69.119.194.71]] ([[User talk:69.119.194.71|talk]]) 02:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Please remember, [[WP:NOTFORUM|Wikipedia is not a forum]]! '''''<font color="#dc5f02" >ChimpanzeeUK</font>''''' - <small>[[User:ChimpanzeeUK|User]] | [[User talk:ChimpanzeeUK|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/ChimpanzeeUK|Contribs]]</small> 07:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC) |
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Who said it was a forum? Arrest them now! Jesus, lighten up mate! [[::User:Police,Mad,Jack|Police,Mad,Jack]] ([[::User talk:Police,Mad,Jack|talk]] '''·''' [[::Special:Contributions/Police,Mad,Jack|contribs]])<font size="4">☺</font> 16:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Premise? == |
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What's the premise of the show? Unless I missed it, I don't see anywhere in the article where it describes what the show's about. Can someone add a summary of the premise? [[User:Kman543210|Kman543210]] ([[User talk:Kman543210|talk]]) 10:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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: Problem is we don't know 100% yet. We know the story is well-based in that of the UK series, but some things are going to change. This will probably be filled in quickly after tonight's premiere. I'd suggest just reading the original's article and go into it expecting "something like that". [[User:Lambertman|Lambertman]] ([[User talk:Lambertman|talk]]) 15:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC) |
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==Removed "upcoming TV series" tag == |
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Since this show has now aired, at least on the east coast of America. [[User:Trecord|trecord]] ([[User talk:Trecord|talk]]) 04:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC) |
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==Badge details== |
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Too trivial for article on its current merits but may be important later in the show's "mystery". —[[User:MJBurrage|MJBurrage]]<sup>([[User talk:MJBurrage|T]]•[[Special:Contributions/MJBurrage|C]])</sup> 07:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC) |
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* | '''Rank:''' Det. | '''Name:''' Sam Tyler | '''Shield No.:''' 8847 | Expires December, 1974 | '''Tax Registry:''' 746574 | |
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"Unsatisfying mythological element"
I'm not quite sure what the following line in the article means: In accordance with the script changes, the "unsatisfying mythological element" of Sam's story was removed. The portion that is in quotes does not in fact appear in the source cited. The source article is quite vague and contradictory, saying both that they removed the ambiguity as well as creating a deeper mystery. Perhaps the best way to summarize it is simply to state that the "mythology of Sam Tyler" is changed.--Trystan (talk) 21:50, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
I've got a bad feeling about this. Still, can't be as bad as the first US pilot - or can it? I'm more interested in series 2 of Ashes to Ashes.71.205.222.97 (talk) 03:24, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
Two very British things, and what will replace them?
My Australian friend told me about the British show, and how one was being done based on it in the U.S.. As I told him, there are 2 big things that are different that couldn't be part of the series. I was curious as to what they would be replaced with, and thought this would make a good idea for expanding the show's article.
1. The Test Card Girl - I, at least, have never seen her in the U.S., I know our test patterns are quite different, so American audiences would be very confused if she was there; I presume Annie Cartwright is the answer to this one, since she's the only one he tells he's from the future, etc.?
2. The biggest (perhaps why ABC demanded a rewrite?) - my friend told me that British police shows were all about mishandled evidence, illegal confessions, and the like - clearly, if he goes back to 1973, it's still the time when you hve the Miranda warnings, even our police dramas were much, much cleaner than the British and the police more competent, and so on. So, will it be, as we discussed, "Starsky and Hutch/Columbo instead of (whatever British show he mentioned)." Because, as my friend said, a lot of what happened seemed to come from British 1970s shows.
As an aside, I wonder if there will be a Very Special TV Moment when Sam Tyler first sees the Twin Towers standing. I told my friend that scene would be something awesome to see, if done right, though I don't watch TV myself anymore; too busy with other stuff. Somebody or his brother (talk) 21:58, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
- Definitely things which the article should address when we can find sources on them, but so far I haven't heard anything. I would guess that the Test Card Girl would be replaced with a suitable American 70s iconic figure, or perhaps not, depending on how they've changed the mythology of the show. I think there is a sufficient tradition of Dirty Harry-like depictions of 70s policing for an American Gene Hunt archetype to resonate, but it will be interesting as you say to see how the style changes.--Trystan (talk) 00:21, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
- New York City (NYC) had test patterns (still do, I think on broadcast TV) after broadcast tranmissions terminated but no human figure...it will be interesting. They did play the national anthem as I recall. As far as police procedures, the early 1970's was a brutal time in NYC as well as Manchester UK. Muggings, rape. Crime was a HUGE issue. Charles Bronson (actor) had a huge hit with his movie "Death Wish" series in 1974. Puerto Ricans and African Americans were the majority minority groups of the time. Dominicans, Arabs, Russians, Mexicans, and Africans, Indians, Pakistanis were not in significant populations at the time And as mentioned above, Dirty Harry, althogh based in San Francisco California, wasn't at all concerned with evidentary rules and Miranda rights. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.119.194.71 (talk) 02:02, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Please remember, Wikipedia is not a forum! ChimpanzeeUK - User | Talk | Contribs 07:14, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Who said it was a forum? Arrest them now! Jesus, lighten up mate! [[::User:Police,Mad,Jack|Police,Mad,Jack]] ([[::User talk:Police,Mad,Jack|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Police,Mad,Jack|contribs]])☺ 16:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
Premise?
What's the premise of the show? Unless I missed it, I don't see anywhere in the article where it describes what the show's about. Can someone add a summary of the premise? Kman543210 (talk) 10:41, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
- Problem is we don't know 100% yet. We know the story is well-based in that of the UK series, but some things are going to change. This will probably be filled in quickly after tonight's premiere. I'd suggest just reading the original's article and go into it expecting "something like that". Lambertman (talk) 15:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Removed "upcoming TV series" tag
Since this show has now aired, at least on the east coast of America. trecord (talk) 04:29, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Badge details
Too trivial for article on its current merits but may be important later in the show's "mystery". —MJBurrage(T•C) 07:49, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
- | Rank: Det. | Name: Sam Tyler | Shield No.: 8847 | Expires December, 1974 | Tax Registry: 746574 |