Tara Brown

Welcome to my talk page. Please leave me a note by starting a new subject here and please don't forget to sign your post You may want to have a look at the subjects in the header of this talkpage before starting a new subject. The question you may have may already have been answered there Dirk Beetstra

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Hence, I will remove external links on pages where I think they do not add to the page (per WP:NOT#REPOSITORY and WP:EL), or when they are added in a way that wikipedia defines as spam (understand that wikipedia defines spam as: '... wide-scale external link spamming ...', even if the link is appropriate; also read this). This may mean that I remove links, while similar links are already there or which are there already for a long time. Still, the question is not whether your link should be there, the question may be whether those other links should be there (again, see the wording of the policies and guidelines). Please consider the alternatives before re-adding the link: If the link contains information, use the information to add content to the article, and use the link as a reference (content is not 'see here for more information'). Add an appropriate linkfarm like {{dmoz}} (you can consider to remove other links covered in the dmoz). Incorporate the information into one of the sister projects. Add the link to other mediawiki projects aimed at advertiseing (see e.g. this) If the linkspam of a certain link perseveres, I will not hesitate to report it to the wikiproject spam for blacklisting (even if the link would be appropriate for wikipedia). It may be wise to consider the alternatives before things get to that point. The answer in a nutshell Please consider if the link you want to add complies with the policies and guidelines. If you have other questions, or still have questions on my view of the external link policy, disagree with me, or think I made a mistake in removing a link you added, please poke me by starting a new subject on my talk-page. If you absolutely want an answer, you can try to poke the people at WT:EL or WT:WPSPAM on your specific case. Also, regarding link, I can be contacted on IRC, channel [1]. Reliable sources I convert inline URL's into references and convert referencing styles to a consistent format. My preferred style is the style provided by cite.php (<ref> and <references/>). When other mechanisms are mainly (but not consistently) used (e.g. {{ref}}/{{note}}/{{cite}}-templates) I will assess whether referencing would benefit from the cite.php-style. Feel free to revert these edits when I am wrong. Converting inline URLs in references may result in data being retrieved from unreliable sources. In these cases, the link may have been removed, and replaced by a {{cn}}. If you feel that the page should be used as a reference (complying with wp:rs!!), please discuss that on the talkpage of the page, or poke me by starting a new subject on my talk-page Note: I am working with some other developers on mediawiki to expand the possibilities of cite.php, our attempts can be followed here and here. If you like these features and want them enabled, please vote for these bugs. Stub/Importance/Notability/Expand/Expert I am in general against deletion, except when the page really gives misinformation, is clear spam or copyvio. Otherwise, these pages may need to be expanded or rewritten. For very short articles there are the different {{stub}} marks, which clearly state that the article is to be expanded. For articles that do not state why they are notable, I will add either {{importance}} or {{notability}}. In my view there is a distinct difference between these two templates, while articles carrying one of these templates may not be notable, the first template does say the article is probably notable enough, but the contents does not state that (yet). The latter provides a clear concern that the article is not notable, and should probably be {{prod}}ed or {{AfD}}ed. Removing importance-tags does not take away the backlog, it only hides from attention, deleting pages does not make the database smaller. If you contest the notability/importance of an article, please consider adding an {{expert-subject}} tag, or raise the subject on an appropriate wikiproject. Remember, there are many, many pages on the wikipedia, many need attention, so maybe we have to live with a backlog. Having said this, I generally delete the {{expand}}-template on sight. The template is in most cases superfluous, expansion is intrinsic to the wikipedia (for stubs, expansion is already mentioned in that template).

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brazilian footballers

I would like to know why all the contributions I have made to Wikipedia have been removed? They all related to members of the 1970 Brazilian football team, a subject which - I think I can modestly say - I know more about than anyone else in the English speaking world. I am the author of the best-selling book The Beautiful Team In Search of the 1970 Brazilians and have met, interviewed and written about these footballers for the past ten years. I have a website www.beautifulteam.net to which I linked my contributions but cannot see that this falls foul of your rules. Essentially I have more unique, copyrighted, biographical information on my site than can be fitted on to Wikipedia. By visiting my site your readers will be able to get more information as well as view videos of the players in their pomp. I was intending to build biographies of each of the members of the team on Wikipedia. None of the current ones - apart from Pele - are any good at all. (I thought I had added something new to Pele's page on the derivation of his name, but that was taken down too.) I see little point in doing so now. Thanks Garry Jenkins Garryjenkins (talk) 18:10, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, we are writing an encyclopedia here, not a linkfarm (also see the external links guideline and, since you were only adding links, our spam guideline). Also, as you now say, I should point you to our conflict of interest guideline, which also strongly discourages to add links to organisations or data you are affiliated with yourself. As you (modestly) say you are an expert on the subjects, I would suggest you search contact with a wikiproject (see Wikipedia:WikiProject, that should guide you to an appropriate one, or have a look at banners on talkpages of pages where you are interested in, that might also guide you there), and discuss with them how you can contribute to our encyclopedia. I hope this explains, and if you have further questions, don't hesitate to ask me. Hope to see you around. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 09:46, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Vitruvian Man

Ik ben totaal geschokt door het verwijderen van mijn laatste bijdrage aan wikipedia. Dat ook mijn gebruikerspagina totaal gewist is slaat alle fatsoensnormen. Ik heb naast een druk leven als beeldend kunstenaar en zanger weinig tijd over. De bedoeling is mijn werk gratis te verspreiden. Ook heb ik hopelijk voldoende getracht de licentie-regels in acht te nemen. Ook heeft het me als nieuwkomer op wikipedia nogal veel moeite en tijd gekost om aan al die regels te voldoen.

Ik zit nog inwendig te trillen. 't Is net alsof iemand je kunstwerken kapotslaat. Voor mij is het eigenlijk niet net alsof...

Nogmaals, ik heb zo nauwkeurig mogelijk getracht aan alle regels te voldoen.

Zou graag mijn gebruikerspagina terugkrijgen.

Rob ten Berge--Rob ten Berge (talk) 16:31, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

I'll answer in English. I am sorry, you are violating quite a number of policies and guidelines here (WP:NOT#REPOSITORY, WP:NOT#DIRECTORY, WP:COI, WP:EL, WP:SPAM, WP:Userpage to name a few). I'd suggest you read the policies and guidelines that are linked in the welcome template at the top of your talkpage, and then discuss with established editors here before recreating any material. Wikipedia is not a place to promote your work. Thanks. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 16:35, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

A bit strange to communicate with a Dutchman in English

I've understood that a userpage is not the same as a talkpage or a homepage. I've also understood, that it's perhaps better to upload GFDL-licensed pictures on WikimediaCommons before placing them elsewhere on Wikipedia. However I am an artist is your more "neutral" or scientific viewpoint for me also comprehensible. It's NOT for the sake of promoting my work that I pay contributions to wikipedia. Therefore I've got my homepage that I almost don't dare to name here. I am still shocked because you erased my userpage as well. I can't believe that you investiged my contributions longer than a minute. I should be pleased if you want to replace the contents of my userpage and as well the picture I made about Vitruvian Man (2). It's my own logo. I can understand that you don't want a link to my homepage next to the logo.(image). Perhaps you change your mind. First have a look to my former contributions which are accepted by other moderators. Best regards Rob ten Berge--Rob ten Berge (talk) 16:57, 3 October 2008 (UTC) Investiged = investigated. --Rob ten Berge (talk) 17:00, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Did you remove some external links in the Vitruvian Man article which were accepted for over a year?

How should you react if someone erased your userpage.

Golden Rule = Don't do to others....etc.

This * was accepted for over a year. You erased it.

• [[2]]

--Rob ten Berge (talk) 17:24, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

If no-one noticed it before, then that is quite clear. Other links have been erased a couple of times, and you added them over and over. The same goes for the pictures you uploaded, which have also been erased a couple of times. Yes, I saw what you did, and what you link to. You do have a conflict of interest, and you are only linking to you own work and images, which do not improve the encyclopedia. You are not providing content, you only add links and images, can you explain me why your image tells more about the Vitruvian Man then any of the other images on the page, or tells things about the Vitruvian Man that other images do not tell about it? --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 08:30, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

--Rob ten Berge (talk) 00:42, 5 October 2008 (UTC) Assume good faith. Best regards. For reconsiderating my contribution you could perhaps search for my work elsewhere on internet. I think you're clever enough to find it. In Dutch: "Eerst de plaatjes, dan de praatjes". In English: "First the pictures, than the text". By the way; Leonardo's "Vitruvian Man" and my versions of it are far from being my only field of interest. There's a difference between opinionated and obstinate. And still I hope on help from other users instead of being erased before contact. Or even without contact. "With a little help of my friends". Rob--Rob ten Berge (talk) 01:14, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

I have been looking around on the links you are adding, and my question stays the same, what content can you add about Vitruvian Man, what more knowledge can you give? And my mentioning of Vetruvian Man was not excluding that you could add things to other pages. But the information that you have added until now is certainly not suitable for an encyclopedia. We convey knowledge, not links, images or original research. You are still free to contribute content to whichever subject you feel appropriate, but I was asking you not to continue in adding your external links or your images in this way. Please read the documents linked in the welcome message on what we are trying to achieve here. I hope this explains. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 10:41, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Your remark about Vetruvian Man could possibly have to do with Vitruvian Man. :-)

I placed my external links on the place where they belonged. I still don't understand why you deleted eg the link about "mirror writing" which was accepted long before you deleted it. Yes, I saw what you did. You deleted all my contributions you could find. And how can I react via a talk-page or user-page since you deleted it?

It's problaby an idea to make a |||simple start-schedule ||| for new wikipedians. That would withold less people to contribute to wikipedia. Or even to stop because their contributions were deleted too often without discussion. I'm not the only one. Perhaps you can find me in the sandbox. --Rob ten Berge (talk) 17:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Dirk,

I hope to get my user-page back. Means the possibility to start it again (without explaining external links). It's understood that I've to read a lot more guidelines. But a basic place to start is welcome. Thanx --Rob ten Berge (talk) 18:05, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

The Carter

Hello again, Beetstra ...

I'd like a second opinion about The Carter (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) before I tag it for deletion ... I'm not up to speed on the current consensus about WP:CRYSTAL and "just announced" films.

Happy Editing! — 72.75.82.202 (talk · contribs) _{02:13, 6 October 2008 (UTC)}

"Individual scheduled or expected future events should only be included if the event is notable and almost certain to take place." -> so if the 'event' is surely going to take place, then it has its place there. There is a reference on the article, the question now is, is that a proper source (to me it looks like a blog, it also says "The BoomBox Music Blog"). I think a post at a Film WikiProject about this would be good, and a tag for better sources on the article as well. If that combination does not give an answer within a couple of days (week?), then either prod or afd it, I think. Hope this helps. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 10:38, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, the only "source" is a blog ... I'll keep an eye on it for a few days. — 72.75.82.202 (talk) 15:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done ... Well, they do have an IMDb entry (The Carter at IMDb), so I put some lipstick on it, and now I'll just MOVE ON. :-) — 72.75.82.202 (talk) 21:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Chemical data revisited

I decided to try and generate the tables myself; the result is at User:Itub/Chembox property count. It doesn't take that long because you can download 50 articles at a time using the API, aand you can selectively download section=0 - which almost always is the one with the infobox - to save bandwidth. So in fact it takes less than an hour doing one operation every 30 seconds! One good use of these tables is that it allows us to spot chemboxes using the wrong parameters. --Itub (talk) 09:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Wow, this looks good. Nice work, and this should give us a starting point for further work. Thanks! One question: could you also make a list of tables where you only count the parameters in the main part of the box (so not in the 'modules'). Some fields moved in a rewrite of the chembox over 1 year ago. E.g. I think that the molecular formula was in the main part of the box, and that moved to the properties ones. Are there still boxes around where they are 'misplaced'? IMHO, only the images and IUPACNAME and othernames should be in the main. Let me check:

{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{IUPACName|}}}|IUPACName }}        |par_value={{#if:{{{IUPACName|}}}|{{{IUPACName}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{SystematicName|}}}|SystematicName }}        |par_value={{#if:{{{SystematicName|}}}|{{{SystematicName}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{OtherNames|}}}|OtherNames }}      |par_value={{#if:{{{OtherNames|}}}|{{{OtherNames}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{Abbreviations|}}}|Abbreviations }}|par_value={{#if:{{{Abbreviations|}}}|{{{Abbreviations}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{Formula|}}}|Formula }}            |par_value={{#if:{{{Formula|}}}|{{{Formula}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{MolarMass|}}}|MolarMass }}        |par_value={{#if:{{{MolarMass|}}}|{{{MolarMass}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{CASNo|}}}|CASNo }}                |par_value={{#if:{{{CASNo|}}}|{{{CASNo}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{Density|}}}|Density }}            |par_value={{#if:{{{Density|}}}|{{{Density}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{Solubility|}}}|Solubility }}      |par_value={{#if:{{{Solubility|}}}|{{{Solubility}}} }}|par_var_label={{#if:{{{Solvent|}}}|{{{Solvent}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{MeltingPt|}}}|MeltingPt }}        |par_value={{#if:{{{MeltingPt|}}}|{{{MeltingPt}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{BoilingPt|}}}|BoilingPt }}        |par_value={{#if:{{{BoilingPt|}}}|{{{BoilingPt}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{LogP|}}}|LogP }}                 |par_value={{#if:{{{LogP|}}}|{{{LogP}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{VaporPressure|}}}|VaporPressure }}|par_value={{#if:{{{VaporPressure|}}}|{{{VaporPressure}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{HenryConstant|}}}|HenryConstant }}|par_value={{#if:{{{HenryConstant|}}}|{{{HenryConstant}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{AtmosphericOHRateConstant|}}}|AtmosphericOHRateConstant }}|par_value={{#if:{{{AtmosphericOHRateConstant|}}}|{{{AtmosphericOHRateConstant}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{pKa|}}}|pKa }}                    |par_value={{#if:{{{pKa|}}}|{{{pKa}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{pKb|}}}|pKb }}                    |par_value={{#if:{{{pKb|}}}|{{{pKb}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{IsoelectricPt|}}}|IsoelectricPt }}|par_value={{#if:{{{IsoelectricPt|}}}|{{{IsoelectricPt}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{DeltaHf|}}}|DeltaHf }}            |par_value={{#if:{{{DeltaHf|}}}|{{{DeltaHf}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{DeltaHc|}}}|DeltaHc }}            |par_value={{#if:{{{DeltaHc|}}}|{{{DeltaHc}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{EINECS|}}}|EINECS }}              |par_value={{#if:{{{EINECS|}}}|{{{EINECS}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{EINECSCASNO|}}}|EINECSCASNO }}    |par_value={{#if:{{{EINECSCASNO|}}}|{{{EINECSCASNO}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{PubChem|}}}|PubChem }}            |par_value={{#if:{{{PubChem|}}}|{{{PubChem}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{SMILES|}}}|SMILES }}              |par_value={{#if:{{{SMILES|}}}|{{{SMILES}}} }} }}
{{Chembox entry|par_name={{#if:{{{InChI|}}}|InChI }}                |par_value={{#if:{{{InChI|}}}|{{{InChI}}} }} }}

These are the parameters that the main part of the box can handle (excluding the image part), most of them are now in the subboxes, but they are still handled here for old reasons. The transfer run that chem_awb did may have moved them to the right position (it was capable of doing that), but I don't know how complete it was for those. From this list, I think only the first 4 would have a place in the main part of the box (though they might also be in the identifiers subbox), the others should not be there. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 10:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Done (available at the same page). For the last table, I excluded IUPACName, OtherNames, Name, Abbreviations, Reference, and anything starting with "image" (the test for "image" was case-insensitive). --Itub (talk) 11:58, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Eww. Quite a list, that should be cleaned at some point. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 16:50, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Vitruvian Man

Dirk,

Gaarne zou ik mijn door U "talk-page" weer in 't blauw zien opdoemen. Zonder basis-communicatie dreig ik hier in een vicieuze cirkel te geraken.

Persoonlijk voel ik me van hier het kastje naar de muur gestuurd, terwijl ik hoop dat het duidelijk moge zijn, dat aan mijn positieve intenties niet getwijfeld mag worden.

't Lijkt me verstandig eerst hier een antwoord af te wachten vooraleerst weer een "talk-page" in te richten.

Vriendelijke groeten Rob ten BergeRob ten Berge (talk) 02:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

You can create a new one, but preferably not with anything that may even seem self-promotional; Some guidelines are here on Wikipedia:User page, specifically Wikipedia:User page#What may I have on my user page? and Wikipedia:User page#What may I not have on my user page?. I hope this helps. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 09:43, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Humanoid Robots

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Luis Beck —Preceding unsigned comment added by LuisBeck007 (talk • contribs) 13:57, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, not sure though why I get this, though. --Dirk Beetstra ^{T C} 14:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)