Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs about Oklahoma

List of songs about Oklahoma

Contentless WP:TRIVIA, WP:LISTCRUFT. Not a directory WP:NOT. Bulldog123 (talk) 22:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I could've sworn I AfD'ed this before. This is just a list of trivia. None of the other states have a similar list, why should OK? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 00:57, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Ah, the "it's cruft" argument. Yeah, it could definitely be better. But that doesn't mean it's useless. As to User:TenPoundHammer's argument, there are similar lists for California and Alabama, so Oklahoma is not the only state with such a list, and on top of that, Wikipedia is incomplete, so just because only a few states have such a list doesn't mean that the lists that exist are useless. With all of that, I don't see a reason to delete this list. - Algorerhythms (talk) 01:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about a loose criterion for inclusion? For instance, is Jeff Wood's "Long Way from OK" really about Oklahoma, when the storyline denotes a former Oklahoman living in California and missing his hometown, and doesn't really mention Oklahoma outside the hook? Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells • Otter chirps • HELP)} 01:55, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How about the argument that most of these songs aren't even about Oklahoma? Bulldog123 (talk) 06:58, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Under the current scope stated in the article, "This is a list of songs about the U.S. state of Oklahoma, Oklahomans and Oklahoma locations", the example of the Jeff Wood song would seem to fit, as I assume it is about how he misses Oklahoma (I've never actually heard the song, though). The scope can be limited, though, and I wouldn't be opposed to that. Perhaps it should be limited to songs that are specifically about the state of Oklahoma, leaving out songs such as Jeff Wood's song. - Algorerhythms (talk) 16:27, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - looks like a completely trivial list to me. - fchd (talk) 16:33, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep First, this list is clearly an extension of the Music of Oklahoma article and could easily and legitimately be part of that article. However, its length probably demands a standalone instead of embedded list. The criteria for inclusion is a legitimate matter of debate for the talk page but not any reason for deletion. The argument for deletion that I find the weakest is the Trivia claim. WP in WP:HTRIVIA states the following in its first sentence: Trivia is broadly defined as information that is not important. However, since Wikipedia consists of articles, we can be more specific — trivia is information that is not important to the subject it is being presented in relation to. Whose to say this information isn't important to someone interested in music or Oklahoma. The content is clearly relevant to Songs and Music of Oklahoma. Finally, even the Triva article in WP states: Trivia (singular: trivium) are unimportant (or "trivial") items, especially of information. Again, whose to say these songs are unimportant to to someone interested in music or Oklahoma?. I personally think Using the Trivia argument in a deletion debate is pure and unadulterated POV with no basis in fact. There are 1000s of articles in WP that are absolutedly unimportant to me and the knowledge I am interested in, but I would never argue they were TRIVAL.--Mike Cline (talk) 17:13, 14 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]