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:''For the Australian artist, see [[David Henry Souter]].''


== Your words ==
'''David Hackett Souter''' ({{pronEng|ˈsutɚ}}; born [[September 17]], [[1939]]) has been an [[Associate Justice of the Supreme Court of the United States|Associate Justice]] of the [[Supreme Court of the United States|Supreme Court]] of the [[United States]] since 1990. He filled the seat vacated by [[William J. Brennan]].


I know you don't want to post in ArbCom, yet [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Piotrus_2/Evidence&diff=prev&oldid=237796040 Boody continues to cite you], claiming that you agree with him. A short statement whether and to what extent you agree with him would be appreciated.--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 21:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Appointed to the Court by [[Republican Party (United States)|Republican]] President [[George H. W. Bush]], he usually votes with the liberal wing, though not as consistently as his predecessor. He currently ranks fourth in seniority among the Associate Justices.


:(Sorry for bursting in Malik). Yet again mischaracterizing, Piotrus, and in this case, falsely describing my post in order to pressure Malik. Do you have a quote where I "claim that Malik agrees with me? If not, then please cease these endless self serving twistings of facts. [[User:Boodlesthecat|Boodlesthecat]] <sup>''[[User talk:Boodlesthecat|Meow?]]''</sup> 21:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
==Early life and education==
Souter was born in [[Melrose, Massachusetts]]. He is the only child of Joseph Alexander Souter and Helen Hackett Souter.<ref name="biography">{{cite news
| title = David Hackett Souter: Traditional Republican on the Rehnquist Court
| author = Tinsley E. Yarbrough
| publisher = Oxford University Press
| date = 2005
| url = http://books.google.com/books?id=mvV0cVeWVmUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=david+souter+%22home+run%22&source=gbs_summary_s&cad=0
| accessdate = 2008-06-27 }}</ref> His father, a banker, died in 1976. After moving from Melrose at the age of 11, he spent most of his childhood and adolescence at his family's farm in [[Weare, New Hampshire]].<ref name="biography"/> He attended [[Concord High School (New Hampshire)|Concord High School]] in New Hampshire.


== Second intifada==
He went on to [[Harvard College]], from which he received his [[A.B.]], concentrating in [[philosophy]] and writing a senior thesis on the legal positivism of [[Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.]], the famous Supreme Court justice. In 1961 he graduated from Harvard [[magna cum laude]] as a member of [[Phi Beta Kappa]]. He was selected as a [[Rhodes Scholarship|Rhodes Scholar]] and earned an [[Master of Arts (postgraduate)|M.A.]] from Magdalen College, Oxford, in 1963. He then entered [[Harvard Law School]], graduating in 1966.


Your thinking on "sticking to what is in the article" is intrinsically flawed.
==Legal and judicial career==
It seems to indicate that Wiki should parrot secondary sources rather than explain, clarify or condense etc.
After graduating from [[Harvard Law School]], Souter worked as an associate at Orr & Reno in [[Concord, New Hampshire]] from 1966 to 1968; he disliked private practice.<ref name="biography"/> He accepted a position as an Assistant Attorney General of [[New Hampshire]] in 1968, beginning his lifelong career in public service. As Assistant Attorney General he worked in the criminal division, prosecuting cases in the courts. In 1971, [[Warren Rudman]], then the Attorney General of New Hampshire, selected him to be the Deputy Attorney General.
As second intifada is in the article it is quite permissible to explain IN THE ARTICLE that the second intifada was a Palestinian uprising. It also helps to explain where the JIDF are coming from. re adding that to JIDF.


second intifada IS mentioned in the source cited!!! but not explained!!!
Rudman resigned to enter private practice in 1976, and Souter succeeded him as the [[New Hampshire Attorney General|Attorney General of New Hampshire]]. In 1978, he was named an Associate Justice of the Superior Court of New Hampshire at the urging of his friend [[Warren Rudman]].<ref name="biography"/> As a judge on the Superior Court hearing cases in two counties, Souter was noted for the way he treated juries and defendants, for sometimes sketching witnesses from behind the bench, and for tough sentencing.<ref name="biography"/>
[[User:Opiumjones 23|Opiumjones 23]] ([[User talk:Opiumjones 23|talk]]) 09:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
:To lighten the load I am leaving you this youtube link [http://mooseinheadlights.com/] Good night[[User:Opiumjones 23|Opiumjones 23]] ([[User talk:Opiumjones 23|talk]]) 23:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)


== Thank you ==
He was appointed to the [[New Hampshire Supreme Court]] as an Associate Justice in 1983. Passed over for an appointment as Chief Justice by New Hampshire Governor [[John H. Sununu]] in favor of a longer-serving associate justice, Souter considered leaving the Court.<ref name="biography"/>


For your help in trying to maintain accuracy and clarity on the JIDF article. --[[User:Einsteindonut|Einsteindonut]] ([[User talk:Einsteindonut|talk]]) 21:21, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
David Souter became a Judge of the [[United States Court of Appeals for the First Circuit]] on May 25, 1990, having been nominated January 24, 1990.


== Motzei Sheim Rah ==
==Supreme Court appointment==
Souter's old friend [[Warren Rudman]] (who had since been elected a Senator) and former New Hampshire governor [[John H. Sununu]] — then chief of staff to President [[George H. W. Bush]] — were instrumental in both his nomination and his confirmation to the Supreme Court. Prior to Sununu's recommendation, few observers outside of New Hampshire knew who Souter was,<ref name="nytimes">{{cite news
| title = Souter Anchoring the Court's New Center
| publisher = ''New York Times''
| date = [[1992-07-03]]
| url = http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE2DE1F3AF930A35754C0A964958260
| accessdate = 2008-06-27 }}</ref> although he had been mentioned by ''The New York Times'' as one of Reagan's four top nominees for the Supreme Court slot that eventually went to [[Anthony Kennedy]]. Rudman had recommended Souter to Reagan's chief of staff Howard Baker for both a federal judgeship and the Supreme Court.<ref name="biography"/>


Hey, you owe me an an apology. Chodesh elul is no time to be hating. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Saxophonemn|Saxophonemn]] ([[User talk:Saxophonemn|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Saxophonemn|contribs]]) 10:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
President Bush nominated Souter as an Associate Justice of the Supreme Court on [[July 25]], [[1990]],<ref>[http://uspolitics.about.com/od/usgovernment/a/supreme_court_3.htm US Supreme Court : Page Three<!-- Bot generated title -->]</ref> and Souter took his seat on [[October 9]], [[1990]], shortly after the [[United States Senate]] confirmed him by a vote of 90-9 after the [[Senate Judiciary Committee]] reported out the nomination by a vote of 14-3.


Glad everything is cool now. Thanks for the help, my archive worked pretty well until I copied something else in between.
The nine senators voting against Souter included [[Ted Kennedy]] and [[John Kerry]] from Souter's neighboring state of [[Massachusetts]]. These senators, along with seven others, painted Souter as a right-winger in the mold of [[Robert Bork]]. They based their claim on the fact that Souter had friendships with many conservative politicians in New Hampshire. Their allegations failed to influence the other 90 senators due to the fact that the press called him the "stealth justice" and showed that his professional record provoked little real controversy and provided very little paper trail. Lack of a paper trail was seen by President Bush as a positive for Souter, because one of [[Ronald Reagan|President Reagan]]'s nominees, Bork, had recently been rejected by the Senate due in part to the availability of his extensive written opinions on issues.<ref name="national review">{{cite news
| title = Empty Souter - Supreme Court Justice David Souter
| publisher = ''National Review''
| date = [[1995-09-11]]
| url = http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1282/is_n17_v47/ai_17374429
| accessdate = 2008-06-27 }}</ref> Bush claimed that he didn't know Souter's stances on abortion, affirmative action, or other issues.<ref name="biography"/> The [[National Organization for Women]] opposed Souter's nomination and held a rally outside the hearings to oppose his selection.<ref name="biography"/> The then-president of NOW, Molly Yard, testified that Souter would "end... freedom for women in this country."<ref name="washpost">{{cite news
| title = For Liberals, Easy Does It With Roberts
| author = Al Kamen
| publisher = ''[[Washington Post]]''
| date = 2005=09-19
| url = http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/09/18/AR2005091801188.html
| accessdate = 2008-06-28 }}</ref> Souter was also opposed by the [[NAACP]], which urged its 500,000 members to write letters to their Senators asking for Souter's defeat.<ref name="nytimes naacp">{{cite news
| title = N.A.A.C.P. Urges Souter's Defeat, Citing Earlier Statements on Race
| author = Irvin Molotsky
| publisher = ''New York Times''
| date = 1990-09-22
| url = http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE5DD1E39F931A1575AC0A966958260
| accessdate = 2008-06-28 }}</ref>


Shana Tova --[[User:Saxophonemn|Saxophonemn]] ([[User talk:Saxophonemn|talk]]) 17:28, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Souter spoke of his admiration for the conservative Justice [[John Marshall Harlan II]] of the Warren Court during his confirmation hearings.<ref name="nytimes"/> ''[[The Wall Street Journal]]'' described the events leading up to the appointment of the "liberal jurist" in a 2000 editorial, saying Rudman in his "Yankee Republican liberalism" took "pride in recounting how he sold Mr. Souter to gullible White House chief of staff John Sununu as a confirmable conservative. Then they both sold the judge to President Bush, who wanted above all else to avoid a confirmation battle."<ref name="wallstjournal">{{cite news
| title = Chief Justice Souter?
| publisher = ''[[Wall Street Journal]]''
| date = 2000-02-29
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| accessdate = 2008-06-27 }}</ref> Rudman wrote in his [[memoir]] that he had "suspected all along" that Souter would not "overturn activist liberal precedents."<ref name="biography"/> Sununu later said that he had "a lot of disappointment" about Souter's positions on the Court and would have preferred him to be more similar to Justice [[Antonin Scalia]].<ref name="biography"/>


== [[Template:African American ethnicity]] ==
After Souter was sworn in, he said: "The first lesson, simple as it is, is that whatever court we're in, whatever we are doing, at the end of our task some human being is going to be affected. Some human life is going to be changed by what we do. And so we had better use every power of our minds and our hearts and our beings to get those rulings right."


Regarding this template, the long-running edit war between you and [[User:Therock40756]] has come to my attention. As there has been no discussion of whatever the disagreement is, I have protected the template against all editors for 5 days. Although it is presently on your preferred version, this is not an endorsement of that version. I would ask you to leave a note on the template's talk page explaining your position and inviting comment from the other party. If on the expiry of the protection the edit war resumes, I will block both of you without further warning since such a long-term edit war without any effort at resolution is not acceptable. I will also ask [[User:Therock40756]] to leave a note on the template's talk page, so please keep an eye out for that and engage with the discussion when it appears. Regards, [[User:Splash|Splash]] - [[User talk:Splash|tk]] 15:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
==US Supreme Court career==
:Well, that's useful information. However, it does take two to tango, as they say, and you have been reverting his ever edit rather than looking for a compromise. This is despite the fact that it's not really all ''that'' important who's in the picture. One way of demonstrating a consensus is if multiple people agree with you and there is a 'lone warrior' who is thereby easier to block. But a one-on-one war will only result in both parties getting burned before long. [[User:Splash|Splash]] - [[User talk:Splash|tk]] 16:07, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
Souter, along with former Chief Justice [[William H. Rehnquist]] and Justice [[Stephen Breyer]], has a reputation for being a strong guardian of the Court's institutional integrity.{{Fact|date=June 2008}} A traditionalist in this regard, he stated in response to proposals to videotape oral arguments before the Supreme Court: "I can tell you the day you see a camera come into our courtroom, it's going to roll over my dead body."<ref name="AP">{{cite news
| title = On Cameras in Supreme Court, Souter Says, 'Over My Dead Body'
| publisher = ''New York Times''
| date = [[1996-03-30]]
| url = http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A00E6D71539F933A05750C0A960958260
| accessdate = 2008-06-30 }}</ref>


== Hey, No Problem ==
He has also served as the Court's designated representative to Congress on at least one occasion, testifying before committees of that body about the Court's needs for additional funding to refurbish its building and for other projects. Souter is said to work 12-hour days, seven days a week when the Supreme Court is in session.<ref name="biography"/>


And, again, congratulations on [[Malcolm X|your new GA]] :-) [[User:Xavexgoem|Xavexgoem]] ([[User talk:Xavexgoem|talk]]) 02:35, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
====Expected conservatism====
At the time of Souter's appointment, John Sununu assured President Bush and conservatives that Souter would be a "home run" for conservatism.<ref name="national review"/> In his testimony before the Senate, Souter espoused the concepts of [[originalism]] (as Bork had) and was thus thought by conservatives to be a [[strict constructionism|strict constructionist]] on Constitutional matters.<ref name="national review"/>


== I have every right ==
Initially, from 1990 to 1993, Souter tended to be a conservative-leaning Justice, although more in the mold of the way [[Sam Alito]] is today and [[Anthony Kennedy]] was then rather than [[Antonin Scalia]], [[Clarence Thomas]], or even [[William Rehnquist]].{{Or|date=October 2008}} In Souter's first year, Souter and Scalia voted alike close to 85 percent of the time; Souter voted with Kennedy and O'Connor about 97 percent of the time. The symbolic turning point came in two cases in 1992, ''[[Planned Parenthood v. Casey]],''<ref name="national review"/> in which the Court reaffirmed the essential holding in ''[[Roe v. Wade]],'' and ''[[Lee v. Weisman]]'', in which Souter voted against allowing [[prayer]] at a high school graduation ceremony. In ''Planned Parenthood v. Casey'', Anthony Kennedy considered overturning ''Roe'' and upholding all the restrictions at issue in ''Casey.'' Souter considered upholding all the restrictions but still was uneasy about overturning ''Roe''. After consulting with O'Connor, however, the three (who came to be known as the "troika") developed a joint opinion that upheld all the restrictions in the ''Casey'' case except for the mandatory notification of a husband while asserting the essential holding of ''Roe,'' that a right to an abortion is protected by the Constitution. ''Casey'' was decided by a 5 to 4 vote.


To edit articles on Wikipedia. My edits make sense. Perhaps you should review them and discuss them before with me you threaten to support a block. This doesn't have to be a society of people "telling" or threatening to "tell" on each other for every little thing. I personally can discuss things like an adult. If you want to support a block, that is fine by me, spare me the warning and just go ahead and do it, because I'm going to edit the way I think I need to edit something in order to strive toward NPOV, accuracy, and factual, cited information. If these are things in which you do not strive toward, then go ahead and recommend a block. --[[User:Einsteindonut|Einsteindonut]] ([[User talk:Einsteindonut|talk]]) 01:02, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
After Bush left office and [[Bill Clinton]] became president, Souter moved to the middle.<ref name="nytimes"/> By the late 1990s, Souter began to align himself more with [[Stephen Breyer]] and [[Ruth Bader Ginsburg]] on rulings, although as of 1995, he sided on more occasions with the most liberal justice, [[John Paul Stevens]], than either Breyer and Ginsburg, both Clinton appointees.<ref name="national review"/> O'Connor began to move to the center. On the [[abortion]] issue, Souter began to vote to override restrictions he believed in back in 1992. On [[death penalty]] cases, worker rights cases, criminal rights cases, and other issues, Souter began voting with the liberals in the court. So while appointed by a [[United States Republican Party|Republican]] president and thus expected to be conservative,<ref>(see [[Segal-Cover score]])</ref> Souter is now considered part of the liberal wing of the Court.


== African diaspora ==
====Constitution====
Brazil has the largest black population outside the continent of Africa, not the United States. You are wrong in your deletion. [[User:Fclass|Fclass]] ([[User talk:Fclass|talk]]) 02:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
According to ''[[The New York Times]]'', Souter has "put himself in the camp of jurists who view the [[United States Constitution|Constitution]] as a flexible set of principles that can evolve."<ref name="nytimes"/> However, Souter often employs originalist analysis in his opinions; though he often reaches very different conclusions than the Court's conservative wing.
:What the hell are you talking about? Brazil has the largest black population. Just because most of them say they are brown doesn't mean they're not of African descent. You're not smarter than me. [[User:Fclass|Fclass]] ([[User talk:Fclass|talk]]) 02:20, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
::Mr. Smartypants, huh? Ha ha. Very funny. [[User:Fclass|Fclass]] ([[User talk:Fclass|talk]]) 02:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


I noticed your userboxes. Are you mixed? P.S. You don't have to answer the question if you don't want to. [[User:Fclass|Fclass]] ([[User talk:Fclass|talk]]) 02:53, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
===Decisions===
:I was just curious. That's all. [[User:Fclass|Fclass]] ([[User talk:Fclass|talk]]) 14:17, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
====''Planned Parenthood v. Casey''====
In 1992's ''Planned Parenthood v. Casey'', Souter wrote that ''Roe v. Wade'' should not be overturned because it would be "a surrender to political pressure... So to overrule under fire in the absence of the most compelling reason to re-examine a watershed decision would subvert the Court's legitimacy beyond any serious question."<ref name="national review"/> Justice Scalia dissented, writing that "The Imperial Judiciary lives."<ref name="nytimes"/>


==Question==
====''Bush v. Gore''====
How did you make your contributions appear alongside your talk page when posting a message? [[User:Fclass|Fclass]] ([[User talk:Fclass|talk]]) 14:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
In 2000, Souter voted and dissented along with the three other liberals in ''[[Bush vs. Gore]]'' to allow the presidential election recount to continue while the conservatives voted to end the recount, making [[George W. Bush|Bush]] the president.
:How would I be able to link it? Give me the steps on what you did. Don't be vague. [[User:Fclass|Fclass]] ([[User talk:Fclass|talk]]) 01:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::How do you make the dot go in the middle? How many spaces must there be? Do I type in the box above "raw signature"? [[User:Fclass|Fclass]] ([[User talk:Fclass|talk]]) 02:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Forget it. Sorry I bothered you. [[User:Fclass|Fclass]] ([[User talk:Fclass|talk]]) 02:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)


== Explanation ==
[[Jeffrey Toobin]] wrote in his 2007 book ''The Nine'' of Souter's reaction following ''Bush v. Gore'': <blockquote>"Toughened, or coarsened, by the their worldly lives, the other dissenters could shrug and move on, but Souter couldn’t. His whole life was being a judge. He came from a tradition where the independence of the judiciary was the foundation of the rule of law. And Souter believed ''Bush v. Gore'' mocked that tradition. His colleagues’ actions were so transparently, so crudely partisan that Souter thought he might not be able to serve with them anymore.


I guess I was just trying to make a few explanations on why people don't know their full heritage. I have no plans on adding anything else at all. I felt that's all it needed so a person that's oblivious understands the issue. I was trying not to get off track because the subject gets complicated because then you can go into African American and Chinese mix which occurred during the railroads being built. But I hope I'm not getting off the topic my mind can be complex just trying to get one point across. :) [[User:Mcelite|Mcelite]] ([[User talk:Mcelite|talk]]) 20:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Souter seriously considered resigning. For many months, it was not at all clear whether he would remain as a justice. That the Court met in a city he loathed made the decision even harder. At the urging of a handful of close friends, he decided to stay on, but his attitude toward the Court was never the same. There were times when David Souter thought of ''Bush v. Gore'' and wept."<ref name="wsjlawblog">{{cite news
| title = Did Bush v. Gore Make Justice Souter Weep?
| publisher = ''Wall Street Journal'' Law Blog
| date = [[2007-09-06]]
| url = http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/09/06/did-bush-v-gore-make-justice-souter-weep/
| accessdate = 2008-06-27 }}</ref></blockquote>


==Ceramics classes for seniors aside ==
===Relationship with other justices===
User:Einsteindonut's important new source also states re the groups political and Zionist position "It’s political views place it on the Zionist right." see [http://www.cjnews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=15425&Itemid=86] Malik can you work that in too? [[User:Opiumjones 23|Opiumjones 23]] ([[User talk:Opiumjones 23|talk]]) 22:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Souter worked well with [[Sandra Day O'Connor]] and was close to both her and her husband during her days on the court.<ref name="biography"/> He generally has a good working relationship with each justice on the court, but he is particularly fond of [[Ruth Bader Ginsburg]], and he considers [[John Paul Stevens]] to be the "smartest" Justice.<ref name="biography"/>


== Paul M. Fleiss ==
==Personal life==
Souter enjoys mountain climbing in [[New Hampshire]] during the judicial off-season; he waits until only a few days before the Supreme Court's session begins to return to Washington, where he lived for years in a spartan apartment.<ref name="biography"/> Souter was attacked by two youths in what appeared to be a random incident when jogging home at night in 2004.<ref name="biography"/>


I was in an edit conflict with you and may have deleted something in error. I called Paul and Mike is his cousin. I thought brother since Jesse calls him "Uncle Mike". I will be seeing Paul at a meeting of [[Hollywood Hill]] and at [[CFI West]] tonight, if any sources seem quesitonable. Regarding age, you are correct about Mike, but interrestingly, Paul's father entered colledge at about age 15 ,and med school at about age 18, but I have to source this before adding it, as it is just from memory. [[User:Tautologist|Tautologist]] ([[User talk:Tautologist|talk]]) 18:52, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
He is co-chair of the We the People National Advisory Committee.


== Arbcom ==
Once named by ''[[The Washington Post]]'' as one of DC's 10 Most Eligible Bachelors,<ref name="biography"/> Justice Souter has never married, though he was once engaged.


Thanks, I fixed it up. The whole thing is rather Byzantine. [[User:Boodlesthecat|Boodlesthecat]] <sup>''[[User talk:Boodlesthecat|Meow?]]''</sup> 20:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
Because he joined the Court's decision in ''[[Kelo v. New London]],'' some New Hampshire residents, backed primarily by the [[Free State Project]], attempted to secure an [[eminent domain]] seizure of Souter's personal residence for the [[Lost Liberty Hotel]] with a dining room called the ''Just Desserts Cafe.''<ref>[http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,161051,00.html Turn Souter's House Into Hotel]</ref> Souter is one of the Supreme Court's millionaires.<ref name="biography"/>


== The City Sun ==
According to [[Jeffrey Toobin]]'s book ''The Nine,'' Souter has a decidedly low-tech lifestyle. He writes with a fountain pen and does not use [[email]]. According to Toobin, Souter has no [[cell phone]], no [[answering machine]], and no [[television]]. He prefers to drive back to New Hampshire for the summer.<ref name="biography"/>


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== Need some help ==
==External links==
*[http://www.supremecourtus.gov/about/biographiescurrent.pdf Supreme court official bio (PDF)]
*[http://www.vote-smart.org/bio.php?can_id=MZZ15173 Project Vote Smart - Associate Justice David Hackett Souter] profile


I wanted to slightly refactor your comments [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Piotrus_2/Workshop#Greg_is_not_an_antisemite here]. Do you mind if I "number" your comments? If you want to do it, that would be better (so I don't get reverted by someone thinking I'm doing something wrong). It would make it easier for me to discuss each of your points. [[User:Orangemarlin|<font color="orange">'''Orange'''</font><font color="teal">'''Marlin'''</font>]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Orangemarlin|Talk•]] [[Special:Contributions/Orangemarlin|Contributions]]</sup></small> 16:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
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== Need some help, too ==
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Sorry to bother you, but could you archive [[Talk:List of electronic music genres]]? Thanks for your time. [[User:Fclass|Fclass]] ([[User talk:Fclass|talk]]) 19:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
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:It's a bit too hard and advanced for me. Maybe you should do it. [[User:Fclass|Fclass]] ([[User talk:Fclass|talk]]) 19:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)


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I do not want to get into an edit war with Putty again, but again, he's [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jewish_Internet_Defense_Force&curid=19441853&diff=241869254&oldid=241748733 trying to take out cited information] from the JIDF article. I made this edit after you urged me to add info. from the CJN in the "talk" area. It's clearly taken directly from that RS and Putty, again, is clearly trying to take key points out. Any help would be appreciated. --[[User:Einsteindonut|Einsteindonut]] ([[User talk:Einsteindonut|talk]]) 22:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
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:Thank you very much. --[[User:Einsteindonut|Einsteindonut]] ([[User talk:Einsteindonut|talk]]) 04:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
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== Re: African American topics sidebar ==
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[[it:David Souter]]
Good points. How about I make it semi-protected...it'll keep out most potential vandalism, yet allow for normal editing. <span style="white-space:nowrap">— [[User:Huntster|Huntster]] <small>([[User talk:Huntster|t]] • [[Special:Emailuser/Huntster|@]] • [[Special:Contributions/Huntster|c]])</small></span> 02:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
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== [[Oliver Cromwell (disambiguation)]] ==
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[[no:David Souter]]
Hello. I've reverted your addition to this page because it didn't meet the criteria at [[WP:MOSDAB]] red links - basically, he doesn't have an article and he doesn't have a red link and information in several existing articles. I felt bad to do so, though, because he sounds interesting, so if you start an article on him in the future, please add him back on to the dab. Thanks, [[User:Boleyn|Boleyn]] ([[User talk:Boleyn|talk]]) 07:24, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
[[pl:David Souter]]

[[simple:David Souter]]
==Happy New Year==
Hi Malik. I did an edit to the holiday page, based on your enquiry. The [[Union for Reform Judaism]] lists the holiday as being two days, not one, but the fact on the ground is that about half of Reform Jews (in North America, at least) only observe one day - congregations included - and this was the ''classical'' nineteenth century Reform way. Have a year of health & happiness. Best, [[User:A Sniper|A Sniper]] ([[User talk:A Sniper|talk]]) 06:59, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

== L'shanah tovah... ==

Thank you, my friend, and ''Vchayn L'mar''. (Although, there's still only one of me, my diet success or failure notwithstanding [[image:face-wink.svg|25px]], unless you mean my doppelganger accounts too [[image:face-grin.svg|25px]]. -- [[User:Avraham|Avi]] ([[User talk:Avraham|talk]]) 20:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== African-American pioneers ==

Hello. I have added some Wiki pages regarding the pioneers I have discussed. For the many pioneers I have already added to the "List of African-American firsts" to have been discarded simply because a vocal minority feel them to be irrelevant is not only insulting (and a waste of my valuable time), but a display of extreme arrogance (i.e. "because I haven't heard of it, it must not be notable"). It is my hope that these pioneers will be returned to the page, particularly given the large audience the page has received ever since I linked it to Barack Obama's page. Thank you. ---- <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Shotcallerballerballer|Shotcallerballerballer]] ([[User talk:Shotcallerballerballer|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Shotcallerballerballer|contribs]]) 23:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== sockpuppet/Checkuser thread ==

Thanks for the clarification. I think it's a bit rich who the request is coming from given [[User Talk:NoCal100#Edit warring at List of fictional ducks (oh, and your username, while I'm here)]]. [[User:MegaMom]] would be my guess at puppetmaster.--[[User:Peter cohen|Peter cohen]] ([[User talk:Peter cohen|talk]]) 11:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

== Assume good faith and no personal attacks ==
Dear Malik. I hoped we could avoid radicalization and edit cooperatively, with respect to one another. However your recent posts have repeatedly crossed the line, as you assume bad faith regarding my actions and continue to discuss and defame my person. I'd like you to refactor your incivil comments about me (ex. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3A%C5%BBydokomuna&diff=244203921&oldid=244197211 accusation of "Jew-baiting"], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard&diff=prev&oldid=243820450 accusation of "recruit(ing) edit warriors"], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:%C5%BBydokomuna&diff=prev&oldid=243029868 accusations of "vandalism and POINT"]) and refrain from making such uncivil accusations in the future.

Also, you have not apologized nor explained your inappropriate encouragement of disruptive behavior by Boody (you gave him a [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Boodlesthecat&diff=prev&oldid=229081607 Barnstar "For going to the mat against a cabal of POV-pushing Polish chauvinists"]) after he was blocked for 3RR and sendign me a "you are a dick emails"]. If you had moderated him, not encouraged, perhaps he would not be inching closer and closer to an indef.

Finally, please be mindful of [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Digwuren#Discretionary_sanctions|this past ArbCom ruling about incivility in Eastern European topics]].--<sub><span style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User_talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk </font>]]</span></sub> 20:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Social Security (United States) ==
Malik, I appreciate your efforts to improve the above article. However, the statement you reverted is factually untrue. "Return on investment" is a finance term with a specific meaning, and the way it is used in the article is clearly wrong. Saying that someone who gets, say, $9.50 for every $1 invested is getting a much lower return on investment compared to someone who gets $1 for every $1 invested, is factually inaccurate.

Thanks,

[[User:Dmclaurin|Dmclaurin]] ([[User talk:Dmclaurin|talk]]) 23:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

==Ruby McCollum==

Dear Mr. Shabazz:

Thank you for visiting my original article on Ruby McCollum listed with Wikipedia, and making me mindful of the need for references on the site. When I wrote the original article, it was contributed for others to augment. I will also have to admit that, at the time, I did not take Wikipedia seriously, considering it a passing fancy. Now, after reviewing numerous articles on Wikipedia, I have come to believe that it serves a useful purpose for those who are trying to conduct serious research.

What happened after I posted the article was that the granddaughter of Keith Black attacked it, as well as me, personally, by firing off articles to the Florida Historical Society and other forums where I have spoken. In a scathing personal letter, she made many erroneous statements, to which I responded with a civil letter, outlining various references (and photographs) that proved my points. Perhaps the most humorous of her misstatements was that her grandfather was bald, not "balding," and that I could not have possibly ever seen him. I cited not only my own memory of the man, but furnished her with a photo of him taken two years after the trial, showing him with a full side of hair and a bald spot in back. I also quoted Zora Hurston's description of him in her notes of the trial as having a bald spot on the back of his head "as clearly outlined as the tonsor of a monk."


Please take another look at the Ruby McCollum listing and see if the references that I have given are in keeping with both the extent and format of Wikipedia. I have a host of other newspaper articles, as well as Hurston's letters, that could add to the documentation, but it will be after the end of the year before I have the time to update the article with these.

While it is not necessary to post it on the site, many of the above-referenced newspaper articles, published when the feds cleaned up the Klan in north Florida, implicated Keith Black as a ring leader in bolita, not so much for his direct participation, but for his "protection" of Sam McCollum's operation in exchange for money. I did add the Ocala Star Banner to document one portion of Black's involvement.

If you will be so kind as to furnish your mailing address, I will send along a review copy of my latest novel, ''Zora Hurston and the Strange Case of Ruby McCollum'', to be released by Gadfly Publishing on 2/12/09. I am trying to coordinate with ''Ebony'' for a review of the novel in celebration of Black History Month in 2009.

While it is buried in history, the trial of Ruby McCollum was covered by the ''Pittsburgh Courier, Ebony/Jet'' magazine, the ''New York Times'', the ''London Times'', and every major newspaper in the southeastern United States. As Hurston noted, it was truly a major trial of its century, marking the first time that a "colored" woman was allowed to witness as to the paternity of a child that she was forced to bear by a white man.

Thanks again for your attention and kind assistance.

Warm Regards,

C. Arthur Ellis, Jr., Ph.D. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.187.24.122|72.187.24.122]] ([[User talk:72.187.24.122|talk]]) 01:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== [[Template:Racism topics]] ==

Please see the [[Template_talk:Racism_topics#Social_Darwinism_as_a_racist_ideology|talk page]]. Thanks, [[User:Agorist|'''<font color="black">Agorist</font>''']] ([[User talk:Agorist|''talk'']]) 04:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

==Poverty in the United States==
I see you keep erasing all my entries to the [[Poverty in the United States]] article. But you left intact all the stuff from liberal think tanks. The article is supposed to be balanced. Liberals are not supposed to have a monopoly on having their sources in articles. [[User:Grundle2600|Grundle2600]] ([[User talk:Grundle2600|talk]]) 17:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I just read your message.

The article has a section called "From Poverty to Prosperity" which supports the liberal stance on political issues, but you didn't erase that.

It says:

"In April 2007 The Center for American Progress, a think tank, released a report : "From Poverty to Prosperity: A National Strategy to Cut Poverty in Half". It recommended 12 steps to cut poverty in half by 2017, including raising the minimum wage, expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit, and promoting unionization by enacting the Employee Free Choice Act."

I actually wrote that, because prior to that, the section had quoted 12 entire paragraphs from the same source, which is too much to quote from one source. But I didn't erase the section - I made it better.

You didn't have any problem with that section promoting a liberal point of view, because you didn't erase it.

The reason I addded the stuff about out of wedlock births is because the article said:

"Limited job opportunities appear to exist for significant subgroups of some races and ethnic groups. This is reflected by the low-income nature of large sections of the economy, as divided along racial/ethnic lines: 21% of all children in the United States live in poverty, but 46% of African American children and 40% of Latino children live in poverty.[22]"

That wrongly implies that poverty is caused by racism. So I added information to show that among black and white children raised by married parents, the poverty rate is very low. So it's out of wedlock births, not racism, that is the biggest factor in poverty

You erased what I added, but you didn't erase the liberal stuff that wrongly blamed poverty on racism.

The article said:

"Tax levels Cross-country data shows a correlation between tax levels as a share of GDP and child poverty. [21]"

That's too vague - it doesn't say what the specific correlation is.

So I added specific information about taxes.

You erased my specific information, but you left the vague stuff in.

The reason I added the stuff about housing costs is because the article said housing in California was very expensive, but it didn't explain why. So I added stuff to explain why.

You have not erased any of the pro-liberal stuff in the article. You have only erased stuff that is pro-conservative and pro-libertarian.

If you want to erase stuff with a political bias, then why haven't you erased any of the pro-liberal stuff? [[User:Grundle2600|Grundle2600]] ([[User talk:Grundle2600|talk]]) 22:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

If you think it's wrong for the article to mention Wall St. Journal editorials that explain how unions drive away investment and jobs, then why do you simultaneously think it's OK for the article to mention a liberal think tank which favors more unionization to reduce poverty? I would prefer that the article has both of those things. But if you erase one because it's biased, then why didn't you erase the other one too? So the anti-union stuff is biased, but the pro-union stuff is neutral. Why is that? [[User:Grundle2600|Grundle2600]] ([[User talk:Grundle2600|talk]]) 22:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

It's interesting that you erased my stuff about the Wall St. Journal editorials that explain how pro-union policies drive away investment and jobs, but you didn't erase the stuff about "promoting unionization by enacting the Employee Free Choice Act." Why did you only erase the anti-union stuff, but leave the pro-union stuff in the article? [[User:Grundle2600|Grundle2600]] ([[User talk:Grundle2600|talk]]) 22:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

OK. I saw your message on the article's talk page. So I guesss if I cited one source instead of 3, and it specifically talked about poverty, I could include it. [[User:Grundle2600|Grundle2600]] ([[User talk:Grundle2600|talk]]) 22:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

== Velvet underground Songs. ==

I know this was a while ago but I'd like to know why you deleted the entries on "the ostrich" and "sneaky pete" from the article [[List of songs by The Velvet Underground]]. If recordings with Nico, Cale and Reed are included I don't see why ones with Reed, Cale, Sterling and their original drummer shouldn't be. I assure you these are real recordings, I have the album sitting on my desk at the moment. I will post about this in the talk page of that article and will re-add them if i don't see any dissent. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Loganrah|Loganrah]] ([[User talk:Loganrah|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Loganrah|contribs]]) 23:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Your words

I know you don't want to post in ArbCom, yet Boody continues to cite you, claiming that you agree with him. A short statement whether and to what extent you agree with him would be appreciated.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 21:28, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

(Sorry for bursting in Malik). Yet again mischaracterizing, Piotrus, and in this case, falsely describing my post in order to pressure Malik. Do you have a quote where I "claim that Malik agrees with me? If not, then please cease these endless self serving twistings of facts. Boodlesthecat Meow? 21:37, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Second intifada

Your thinking on "sticking to what is in the article" is intrinsically flawed. It seems to indicate that Wiki should parrot secondary sources rather than explain, clarify or condense etc. As second intifada is in the article it is quite permissible to explain IN THE ARTICLE that the second intifada was a Palestinian uprising. It also helps to explain where the JIDF are coming from. re adding that to JIDF.

second intifada IS mentioned in the source cited!!! but not explained!!! Opiumjones 23 (talk) 09:31, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

To lighten the load I am leaving you this youtube link [1] Good nightOpiumjones 23 (talk) 23:28, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

For your help in trying to maintain accuracy and clarity on the JIDF article. --Einsteindonut (talk) 21:21, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Motzei Sheim Rah

Hey, you owe me an an apology. Chodesh elul is no time to be hating. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Saxophonemn (talkcontribs) 10:36, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Glad everything is cool now. Thanks for the help, my archive worked pretty well until I copied something else in between.

Shana Tova --Saxophonemn (talk) 17:28, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Regarding this template, the long-running edit war between you and User:Therock40756 has come to my attention. As there has been no discussion of whatever the disagreement is, I have protected the template against all editors for 5 days. Although it is presently on your preferred version, this is not an endorsement of that version. I would ask you to leave a note on the template's talk page explaining your position and inviting comment from the other party. If on the expiry of the protection the edit war resumes, I will block both of you without further warning since such a long-term edit war without any effort at resolution is not acceptable. I will also ask User:Therock40756 to leave a note on the template's talk page, so please keep an eye out for that and engage with the discussion when it appears. Regards, Splash - tk 15:57, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, that's useful information. However, it does take two to tango, as they say, and you have been reverting his ever edit rather than looking for a compromise. This is despite the fact that it's not really all that important who's in the picture. One way of demonstrating a consensus is if multiple people agree with you and there is a 'lone warrior' who is thereby easier to block. But a one-on-one war will only result in both parties getting burned before long. Splash - tk 16:07, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Hey, No Problem

And, again, congratulations on your new GA :-) Xavexgoem (talk) 02:35, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

I have every right

To edit articles on Wikipedia. My edits make sense. Perhaps you should review them and discuss them before with me you threaten to support a block. This doesn't have to be a society of people "telling" or threatening to "tell" on each other for every little thing. I personally can discuss things like an adult. If you want to support a block, that is fine by me, spare me the warning and just go ahead and do it, because I'm going to edit the way I think I need to edit something in order to strive toward NPOV, accuracy, and factual, cited information. If these are things in which you do not strive toward, then go ahead and recommend a block. --Einsteindonut (talk) 01:02, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

African diaspora

Brazil has the largest black population outside the continent of Africa, not the United States. You are wrong in your deletion. Fclass (talk) 02:15, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

What the hell are you talking about? Brazil has the largest black population. Just because most of them say they are brown doesn't mean they're not of African descent. You're not smarter than me. Fclass (talk) 02:20, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
Mr. Smartypants, huh? Ha ha. Very funny. Fclass (talk) 02:27, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I noticed your userboxes. Are you mixed? P.S. You don't have to answer the question if you don't want to. Fclass (talk) 02:53, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I was just curious. That's all. Fclass (talk) 14:17, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Question

How did you make your contributions appear alongside your talk page when posting a message? Fclass (talk) 14:21, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

How would I be able to link it? Give me the steps on what you did. Don't be vague. Fclass (talk) 01:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
How do you make the dot go in the middle? How many spaces must there be? Do I type in the box above "raw signature"? Fclass (talk) 02:07, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Forget it. Sorry I bothered you. Fclass (talk) 02:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Explanation

I guess I was just trying to make a few explanations on why people don't know their full heritage. I have no plans on adding anything else at all. I felt that's all it needed so a person that's oblivious understands the issue. I was trying not to get off track because the subject gets complicated because then you can go into African American and Chinese mix which occurred during the railroads being built. But I hope I'm not getting off the topic my mind can be complex just trying to get one point across. :) Mcelite (talk) 20:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Ceramics classes for seniors aside

User:Einsteindonut's important new source also states re the groups political and Zionist position "It’s political views place it on the Zionist right." see [2] Malik can you work that in too? Opiumjones 23 (talk) 22:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Paul M. Fleiss

I was in an edit conflict with you and may have deleted something in error. I called Paul and Mike is his cousin. I thought brother since Jesse calls him "Uncle Mike". I will be seeing Paul at a meeting of Hollywood Hill and at CFI West tonight, if any sources seem quesitonable. Regarding age, you are correct about Mike, but interrestingly, Paul's father entered colledge at about age 15 ,and med school at about age 18, but I have to source this before adding it, as it is just from memory. Tautologist (talk) 18:52, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Arbcom

Thanks, I fixed it up. The whole thing is rather Byzantine. Boodlesthecat Meow? 20:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

The City Sun

Updated DYK query On 27 September, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The City Sun, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--BorgQueen (talk) 05:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Need some help

I wanted to slightly refactor your comments here. Do you mind if I "number" your comments? If you want to do it, that would be better (so I don't get reverted by someone thinking I'm doing something wrong). It would make it easier for me to discuss each of your points. OrangeMarlin Talk• Contributions 16:33, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Need some help, too

Sorry to bother you, but could you archive Talk:List of electronic music genres? Thanks for your time. Fclass (talk) 19:19, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

It's a bit too hard and advanced for me. Maybe you should do it. Fclass (talk) 19:03, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

can you help

I do not want to get into an edit war with Putty again, but again, he's trying to take out cited information from the JIDF article. I made this edit after you urged me to add info. from the CJN in the "talk" area. It's clearly taken directly from that RS and Putty, again, is clearly trying to take key points out. Any help would be appreciated. --Einsteindonut (talk) 22:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much. --Einsteindonut (talk) 04:02, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Re: African American topics sidebar

Good points. How about I make it semi-protected...it'll keep out most potential vandalism, yet allow for normal editing. Huntster (t@c) 02:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I've reverted your addition to this page because it didn't meet the criteria at WP:MOSDAB red links - basically, he doesn't have an article and he doesn't have a red link and information in several existing articles. I felt bad to do so, though, because he sounds interesting, so if you start an article on him in the future, please add him back on to the dab. Thanks, Boleyn (talk) 07:24, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year

Hi Malik. I did an edit to the holiday page, based on your enquiry. The Union for Reform Judaism lists the holiday as being two days, not one, but the fact on the ground is that about half of Reform Jews (in North America, at least) only observe one day - congregations included - and this was the classical nineteenth century Reform way. Have a year of health & happiness. Best, A Sniper (talk) 06:59, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

L'shanah tovah...

Thank you, my friend, and Vchayn L'mar. (Although, there's still only one of me, my diet success or failure notwithstanding , unless you mean my doppelganger accounts too . -- Avi (talk) 20:30, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

African-American pioneers

Hello. I have added some Wiki pages regarding the pioneers I have discussed. For the many pioneers I have already added to the "List of African-American firsts" to have been discarded simply because a vocal minority feel them to be irrelevant is not only insulting (and a waste of my valuable time), but a display of extreme arrogance (i.e. "because I haven't heard of it, it must not be notable"). It is my hope that these pioneers will be returned to the page, particularly given the large audience the page has received ever since I linked it to Barack Obama's page. Thank you. ---- —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shotcallerballerballer (talkcontribs) 23:52, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

sockpuppet/Checkuser thread

Thanks for the clarification. I think it's a bit rich who the request is coming from given User Talk:NoCal100#Edit warring at List of fictional ducks (oh, and your username, while I'm here). User:MegaMom would be my guess at puppetmaster.--Peter cohen (talk) 11:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Assume good faith and no personal attacks

Dear Malik. I hoped we could avoid radicalization and edit cooperatively, with respect to one another. However your recent posts have repeatedly crossed the line, as you assume bad faith regarding my actions and continue to discuss and defame my person. I'd like you to refactor your incivil comments about me (ex. accusation of "Jew-baiting", accusation of "recruit(ing) edit warriors", accusations of "vandalism and POINT") and refrain from making such uncivil accusations in the future.

Also, you have not apologized nor explained your inappropriate encouragement of disruptive behavior by Boody (you gave him a Barnstar "For going to the mat against a cabal of POV-pushing Polish chauvinists") after he was blocked for 3RR and sendign me a "you are a dick emails"]. If you had moderated him, not encouraged, perhaps he would not be inching closer and closer to an indef.

Finally, please be mindful of this past ArbCom ruling about incivility in Eastern European topics.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk 20:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Social Security (United States)

Malik, I appreciate your efforts to improve the above article. However, the statement you reverted is factually untrue. "Return on investment" is a finance term with a specific meaning, and the way it is used in the article is clearly wrong. Saying that someone who gets, say, $9.50 for every $1 invested is getting a much lower return on investment compared to someone who gets $1 for every $1 invested, is factually inaccurate.

Thanks,

Dmclaurin (talk) 23:54, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Ruby McCollum

Dear Mr. Shabazz:

Thank you for visiting my original article on Ruby McCollum listed with Wikipedia, and making me mindful of the need for references on the site. When I wrote the original article, it was contributed for others to augment. I will also have to admit that, at the time, I did not take Wikipedia seriously, considering it a passing fancy. Now, after reviewing numerous articles on Wikipedia, I have come to believe that it serves a useful purpose for those who are trying to conduct serious research.

What happened after I posted the article was that the granddaughter of Keith Black attacked it, as well as me, personally, by firing off articles to the Florida Historical Society and other forums where I have spoken. In a scathing personal letter, she made many erroneous statements, to which I responded with a civil letter, outlining various references (and photographs) that proved my points. Perhaps the most humorous of her misstatements was that her grandfather was bald, not "balding," and that I could not have possibly ever seen him. I cited not only my own memory of the man, but furnished her with a photo of him taken two years after the trial, showing him with a full side of hair and a bald spot in back. I also quoted Zora Hurston's description of him in her notes of the trial as having a bald spot on the back of his head "as clearly outlined as the tonsor of a monk."


Please take another look at the Ruby McCollum listing and see if the references that I have given are in keeping with both the extent and format of Wikipedia. I have a host of other newspaper articles, as well as Hurston's letters, that could add to the documentation, but it will be after the end of the year before I have the time to update the article with these.

While it is not necessary to post it on the site, many of the above-referenced newspaper articles, published when the feds cleaned up the Klan in north Florida, implicated Keith Black as a ring leader in bolita, not so much for his direct participation, but for his "protection" of Sam McCollum's operation in exchange for money. I did add the Ocala Star Banner to document one portion of Black's involvement.

If you will be so kind as to furnish your mailing address, I will send along a review copy of my latest novel, Zora Hurston and the Strange Case of Ruby McCollum, to be released by Gadfly Publishing on 2/12/09. I am trying to coordinate with Ebony for a review of the novel in celebration of Black History Month in 2009.

While it is buried in history, the trial of Ruby McCollum was covered by the Pittsburgh Courier, Ebony/Jet magazine, the New York Times, the London Times, and every major newspaper in the southeastern United States. As Hurston noted, it was truly a major trial of its century, marking the first time that a "colored" woman was allowed to witness as to the paternity of a child that she was forced to bear by a white man.

Thanks again for your attention and kind assistance.

Warm Regards,

C. Arthur Ellis, Jr., Ph.D. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.187.24.122 (talk) 01:18, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Please see the talk page. Thanks, Agorist (talk) 04:40, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Poverty in the United States

I see you keep erasing all my entries to the Poverty in the United States article. But you left intact all the stuff from liberal think tanks. The article is supposed to be balanced. Liberals are not supposed to have a monopoly on having their sources in articles. Grundle2600 (talk) 17:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

I just read your message.

The article has a section called "From Poverty to Prosperity" which supports the liberal stance on political issues, but you didn't erase that.

It says:

"In April 2007 The Center for American Progress, a think tank, released a report : "From Poverty to Prosperity: A National Strategy to Cut Poverty in Half". It recommended 12 steps to cut poverty in half by 2017, including raising the minimum wage, expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit, and promoting unionization by enacting the Employee Free Choice Act."

I actually wrote that, because prior to that, the section had quoted 12 entire paragraphs from the same source, which is too much to quote from one source. But I didn't erase the section - I made it better.

You didn't have any problem with that section promoting a liberal point of view, because you didn't erase it.

The reason I addded the stuff about out of wedlock births is because the article said:

"Limited job opportunities appear to exist for significant subgroups of some races and ethnic groups. This is reflected by the low-income nature of large sections of the economy, as divided along racial/ethnic lines: 21% of all children in the United States live in poverty, but 46% of African American children and 40% of Latino children live in poverty.[22]"

That wrongly implies that poverty is caused by racism. So I added information to show that among black and white children raised by married parents, the poverty rate is very low. So it's out of wedlock births, not racism, that is the biggest factor in poverty

You erased what I added, but you didn't erase the liberal stuff that wrongly blamed poverty on racism.

The article said:

"Tax levels Cross-country data shows a correlation between tax levels as a share of GDP and child poverty. [21]"

That's too vague - it doesn't say what the specific correlation is.

So I added specific information about taxes.

You erased my specific information, but you left the vague stuff in.

The reason I added the stuff about housing costs is because the article said housing in California was very expensive, but it didn't explain why. So I added stuff to explain why.

You have not erased any of the pro-liberal stuff in the article. You have only erased stuff that is pro-conservative and pro-libertarian.

If you want to erase stuff with a political bias, then why haven't you erased any of the pro-liberal stuff? Grundle2600 (talk) 22:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

If you think it's wrong for the article to mention Wall St. Journal editorials that explain how unions drive away investment and jobs, then why do you simultaneously think it's OK for the article to mention a liberal think tank which favors more unionization to reduce poverty? I would prefer that the article has both of those things. But if you erase one because it's biased, then why didn't you erase the other one too? So the anti-union stuff is biased, but the pro-union stuff is neutral. Why is that? Grundle2600 (talk) 22:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

It's interesting that you erased my stuff about the Wall St. Journal editorials that explain how pro-union policies drive away investment and jobs, but you didn't erase the stuff about "promoting unionization by enacting the Employee Free Choice Act." Why did you only erase the anti-union stuff, but leave the pro-union stuff in the article? Grundle2600 (talk) 22:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

OK. I saw your message on the article's talk page. So I guesss if I cited one source instead of 3, and it specifically talked about poverty, I could include it. Grundle2600 (talk) 22:55, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Velvet underground Songs.

I know this was a while ago but I'd like to know why you deleted the entries on "the ostrich" and "sneaky pete" from the article List of songs by The Velvet Underground. If recordings with Nico, Cale and Reed are included I don't see why ones with Reed, Cale, Sterling and their original drummer shouldn't be. I assure you these are real recordings, I have the album sitting on my desk at the moment. I will post about this in the talk page of that article and will re-add them if i don't see any dissent. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Loganrah (talkcontribs) 23:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)