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== Need to add "fair use rationale" for all the images on Bill & Ted's Excellent Video Game Adventure ==

<s>I just found out about this myself, but in addition to the copyright template on each image page, you have to add a "fair use rationale" to each of the images you uploaded. An example can be found here: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Archrival_box.jpg Arch Rival Box]

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I don't want to see that article get tore up, so please try and fix that soon! Thanks! [[User:SashaNein|SashaNein]] 18:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)</s>
:You might've already done this, I guess. It's weird because I looked at the images and they didn't have the fair use hoobajoob before. Thanks! [[User:SashaNein|SashaNein]] 19:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

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== Question ==

I have reverted your unexplained edit to ''[[Dragon Ball GT]]''. Why are you changing instances of "''Doragon Bōru''" to "''Doragonbōru''" and the names of several tracks pertaining to the ''Dragon Ball'' OSTs? Please reply on your talk page. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 01:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

::Well, it was my impression that when "ドラゴンボール" got romanized it automatically came out "Doragonbōru". Now I know that many words or sentences in katakana and hiragana don't always use blank or period spaces "・" in their text making them look like one long word. But my intention was to imitate the Japanese with the romanji, thus the romanji "Doragonbōru". Now in the English, I will go along with the spelling format as "Dragon Ball" even though others have officially wrote it as "Dragonball" and "DragonBall". To me, this is just like the whole "InuYasha", "Inuyasha", "Inu Yasha" romanization thing.

::As for the soundtracks, your going to have to be alittle more specific. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 02:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

:::In other words, you're assuming that ドラゴンボール would be ''Doragonbōru''? Have you even looked at the Japanese wiki translation for ''Dragon Ball''? I asked about the soundtracks because you changed the romaji for pretty much all of them without leaving an edit summary. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 02:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

: There is no such thing as spacing in Japanese, so it seems like it can be shown with or without the space as romaji. I'm not sure if the [[Wikipedia:MOS]] addresses this. [[User:WhisperToMe|WhisperToMe]] ([[User talk:WhisperToMe|talk]]) 03:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

::Yes, I have viewed the Japanese Wiki on Dragon Ball a few times and yes they do write the English title as "Dragon Ball", I do not deign this. But that still doesn't change the fact that Dragon Ball's katakana ドラゴンボール when displayed in raw romanji can be romanized as "Doragonbōru". [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 15:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I've started changing instances of ''Doragon Bōru'' to ''Doragonbōru'' based on this discussion. Think you can help me get the others? I think you nailed all the soundtracks, the movies and games are pretty much the only ones left. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 03:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

::::Just wondering if you finished the changes. Haven't heard from you man. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 06:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

::Well, for the most part I have changed most of the romanji. But there might be a few I missed. Plus I took the liberty to add the romanji in places where there wasn't any at all. I have purposely overlooked the "Legends" article for right now as I want to do an overhaul on that page, so I figured I do that in one swoop. I hope no one will object to this as with that whole Budokai Tenkaichi article fiasco, it makes one hesitant on attempting such a drastic change. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 07:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Haven't checked but did you fix all the ones [[:Category:Dragon Ball films|categorized here]]? Oh and I learned that the only time there needs to be a space in between kanji is when it is a name, see [[MOS:JP#Names]]. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 05:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

::::I had to double check those articles, and yes I have made changes where ever it was applied. Now there is still the episode list for all three series to deal with. Oh god, that's going to be a long night there.

::::Plus, I've finished the work to the "[[Dragon Ball Z: Idainaru Dragon Ball Densetsu|Legends]]" artical if you want to see. I may add more late, if I can find it. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 07:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::Why does ''Legends'' use Doragonboru and not Doragonbōru? [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 15:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::Sorry about that, I wasn't pay attention what I was doing. I tend to jump around on an article as I write it, which is probably not a good habit. But the format has been corrected now. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 17:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

::::::I read [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dragon_Ball_Z:_Idainaru_Dragon_Ball_Densetsu&diff=prev&oldid=192811696 your update], though I believe it should be "DoragonbōruZetto", no space, like in ''[[Dragon Ball Z]]''. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 15:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Well, Yeah that is the right format. But the only reason why I leave the format as "Doragonbōru Zetto" or "Doragonbōru Jītī" is due to those "geniuses" who appear out of nowhere and simply erase the whole nihongo. I ran into such a problem with the "[[Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit|Burst Limit]]" artical. I had originaly wrote the romanji as "Doragonbōru Zetto Bāsutorimitto". But the one called "Supergohan1" and some unregestered users keep coming and removing the Burst Limit romanji and just simply replacing it with the English title. Thus turning the template into "{{nihongo|'''''Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit'''''|ドラゴンボールZ バーストリミット|Doragonbōru Zetto DragonBall Z: Burst Limit}}". I kept reverting this and I added a hidden message asking them to goto the dissusion box and explain why they felt that the romanji didn't belong. So instead of doing this "Supergohan1" reverts the format back and leaves this in the edit summary: "''Because the game is called DragonBall Z: Burst Limit''". So after fighting it, I desided to just go in and split "Bāsutorimitto" to "Bāsuto Rimitto". Shortly afterwards a line was typed in the artical "''OK I get it . . .''". In short separating "Zetto" or "Jiti" from the rest of the title's romanji is just to ensure that the nihongo won't get torn up like with the Burst Limit title. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 17:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

::::::::I'd rather we follow the guideline than change things to prevent arguements with other editors. Go ahead and combine the kanji, katankana, etc., and if users remove the nihongo, then revert and warn them for vandalism. I'll back you up if needed, just tell me where. Thoughts? [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 17:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

:Well, I don't have a problem with this. Although I'm not quite sure what the proper protocol for warning a user for vandalism since I've had to to issue it. For right now the articals that need watching over are soundtrack articals with song title that have been known by fanboys by a inaccurate or half translation. Examples of this would be any article that includes the songs "Aitsu wa Son Gokū" and "Akuariumu no Yoru".

:I'll get started on the space removal on the [[Dragon Ball Z: CD-Box Super Complete Collection|Super Complete Collection]] as Columbia has just posted the tracklist for that album, and it will take the longest to fix up. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 00:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

::Hi. Why not continue further discussion [[Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Anime_and_manga/Dragon_Ball#Dragon_Ball_Romanization|here]]. It would be more helpful if others are involved. <span style="border:2px double #ffffff;padding:1px;background:#000000">&nbsp;[[User:UzEE|'''<span style="color:#15D5FE">U</span><span style="color:#E0D40F">z</span><span style="color:#80E221">E</span><span style="color:#FF4526">E</span>''']]&nbsp;</span> 14:36, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Think we're pretty much finished with this discussion. Sarujo, are there any pages you didn't get? [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 06:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Well I have finished All movies, games, and albums. But it wouldn't hurt to check behind me to see if there's any instance I missed, such as the [[Dragon Ball Z: CD-Box Super Complete Collection|Super Complete Collection]] due to it's sheer size. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 05:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

::::You're alright I guess. Did you upgrade [[List of Dragon Ball video games|List of ''Dragon Ball'' video games]] by making sure each game was there? [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 06:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

:::::Upgrade the list? Do you mean add more games? [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 06:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

::::::To specify, is each game listed there? [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 06:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Yes, for now anyway. Until I or anybody happen across another game of some kind. See if everything's up to standards. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 07:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

::::::::I had a discussion with [[User:Ryulong]] regarding the ''nihongo'' changes. He says we were wrong in combining the English ''romaji'' and has started undoing them. Please join the discussion [[User talk:Ryulong#Nihongo|here]] to know why he is performing the edits. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 02:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::Hey Sarujo, can you include <nowiki>[[Category:Dragon Ball images]]</nowiki> to any ''Dragon Ball''-related pics you upload and/or find? I'm slowly getting to these, as well the ''nihongo'' edits. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 22:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::Sure thing, when I find them I'll tag them. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 01:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::::Well that should take care of all the the name romanji and image tagging, unless I missed something. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 06:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::::I really appreciate all your help. You're a lifesaver ;) [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 21:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

== Changing [[Template:vgrelease]] to [[Template:flagicon]] ==
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== [[Future Trunks]] ==

Please comment at [[Talk:Future_Trunks#Redirect]]. Thanks <span style="border:1px solid white;background-color: yellow; color: blue">[[User:Legoktm|Lego]][[Special:Contributions/Legoktm|K<sup>ontribs</sup>]][[user talk:Legoktm|T<sup>alk</sup>]][[Special:Random|M]]</span> 23:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


== [[Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit Original Soundtrack]] ==
I want to remind you that you must include [[WP:V|verifiable, third-party sources]] establishing notability of this yet-to-be-released album. Otherwise, this article may be [[WP:PROD|proposed for deletion]] per Wikipedia guidelines. Hopefully, you find some. Thank you, [[User:MuZemike|MuZemike]] ([[User talk:MuZemike|talk]]) 16:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

:I added a link to the label's official website, does that help? [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 04:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

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== ''[[Dragon Ball Z: Infinite World]]'' ==
Are there any confirmed characters that are playable? I'd remove the list if there weren't any. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 03:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:There are, it just people aren't taking the time to add the proper sources for those characters. Plus there are some characters that I don't even know are in the game that people are adding like Arale. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 03:16, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
::I suggest we remove it then, or at least until a [[WP:RELIABLE|reliable source]] exists. What are your thoughts? [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 03:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:::Ok here's the thing, one IP had hidden message stating that pictures conferming said chracters was at the second reference's link. Which is the French Atari website. So I checked it out, and sure enough there were actual screenshots showing some of the confermed characters that are claimed to be featured within the game. I suggest useing the links to the best pics a references for each character for now and and replace them if and when something better popup. Like an official website by either Bandai or Atari in either US or Japanese regions. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 03:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
::::Sure. Can you do it alone or did you want assistance? [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 03:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
:::::Sure, my hands are alittle tied at the moment. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 04:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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== Page movement of Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy ==
I noticed that [[Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy]] has been seeing a lot of movement regarding some people's preference of "&" over "and". I was wondering, do you think the page needs move protection? Is it possible to protect it only from being moved? [[User:Larrythefunkyferret|Larrythefunkyferret]] ([[User talk:Larrythefunkyferret|talk]]) 06:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

:Yes, most defiantly. The official logo does not recognize any ampersand, so the article should not. Changing an article title into something that doesn't reflect the actual title is vandalism. And yes you can lock an article from being moved. Whether it be from being changed into a particular name or locked from being moved entirely, I'm not sure. But again, I insist on a lockdown. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 06:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

::Apparently, it can be locked from being moved entirely. I'm glad you know the procedure for getting it done. I don't think it's vandalism, though. I've seen true page-move vandalism. [[The Legend of Zelda]] has been moved no less than three times to something like "Frank's Peepee", with an edit summary like, "This article has been PWNED!" These guys think they're doing the right thing; they're not trying to be disruptive. [[User:Larrythefunkyferret|Larrythefunkyferret]] ([[User talk:Larrythefunkyferret|talk]]) 03:29, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

:::Just in case you didn't know a discussion was started at the [[Talk:Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy#Page move|talk page]]. Apparently this problem need to be resolved before [[September 6]]. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 04:47, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

== [[:Image:2008 Dragon Ball Short.PNG]] ==
What happened to the fair use rationale? Thought you templated it. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 02:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

:[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Image:2008_Dragon_Ball_Short.PNG&oldid=225067785 This] is why. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 03:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

::Huh? I can't tell what you're trying to show me. What happened exactly? [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 04:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

:::Exclamation points mess up the templates. Even the infoboxes are affected by this when using a second point. Fortunately for that you can use the "nowiki" function to fix the infoboxes, but that only works on the infoboxes. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 04:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

::::No wonder I couldn't fix it. Guess we'll have to do without it. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 04:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

== Megatron and Starscream reverts ==
I added some information to the talk pages on why I made the changes, and would like to hear your input too. I'd like to find a happy medium on the editing. I'd like to keep the section titles of "Transformers: Generation 1" so they stay consistant with other TF articles, and keep the info on the G1 character seperate from the rest of the page, by keeping all that info on the other Megatrons and Starscream out of that section. Please get back to me when you are free. [[User:Mathewignash|Mathewignash]] ([[User talk:Mathewignash|talk]]) 22:47, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

:Well, I find it very fortuitous that you would come here as I can not only address both aforementioned character articles, but all the other Transformer character articles pertaining to G1 instead of hopping from talk page to talk page.
:With that said, let me say with all due respect that most of those articles are terrible. They are filled with alot unnecessary fan cruft and lists that weigh down their potential to achieving GA or even FA status.
:First off, these articles are suppose to pertain to the G1 character only. Therefore, their's no need to single out G1 in any one section as all the other incarnations were moved to other pages entitled "''_________ (other incarnations)''". As for other articles that haven't had this treatment like Jazz and Prowl, they should be moved into a "other incarnations" section and made into subsections.
:Second, the article headings are ridiculously meager and need to be expanded with a proper introduction that sets up the article all about the character.
:Third, the articles all lack the appropriate references to backup the important stuff. The wizard reference for Megatron is not very thorough. It needs a date of release, volume/issue and page numbers.
:Fourth every character article needs at least some of the following sections to make a good article which are development/conception, appearance, personality, history, cultural impact/reception, other media appearances, references, and external links. Many of these articles lack some of the aforementioned and some have information scrambled about, Optimus Prime being the worst.
:Fifth, Wikipedia is not a buyers guide for Transformer merchandise, it is an encyclopedia. Therefore, toy lists don't belong in any character article as they are unencyclopedic and filled with too much fan cruft. Lists in general are only permitted in disambiguation pages, and articles about music albums, some video games, and article references. The truth is that all animated programs get their own toyline with each character getting represented with some type of figure or doll. So their's nothing notable about the volumes subsequent releases of every single incarnation of every Transformer ever conceived. That's what the individual toyline articles are for. Also it must be taken into consideration that as the years go by more and more toys of individual G1 characters will appear and will only cause the article to get hefty as more editors list them. The only toys that holds notability in the character articles are the original Diaclone and Microman mechas, and their corresponding Transformer reimagings. Which should go into their development/conception section. Others characters like Hot Rod, who's corresponding toy was produced after initial introduction also deserver this treatment in their individual development sections. To astablish why there is difference in the two mediums.
:Sixth, the pop culture and other comics sections should be merged into one section call "______ in other media".
:Seventh, the honorable mentions of children story books belong in the other media section and don't deserve their own subsection as they are not memberable to be singled out. The only rememberable story book moment for Megatron was in "Marvel Big Looker" book "The Great Car Rally" where he gets behind the wheel of a black convertible and shoots at the competing Autobots as seen [http://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~sstoneb/tf/books/kidstuff/rally/rally-25.jpg here], but that in itself is a trivial matter.
:Any questions? [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 15:51, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

== Re: [[Cha-La Head-Cha-La]] ==
Everything looks to be in order. What section(s) are you referring to? [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 19:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:The 2005 and Lucky Star Versions are invisible on the main article but not in the edit box. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 20:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

::The ref layout is probably written incorrectly (it happens sometimes). Have you checked them out? [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 20:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:::I have looked at them, but this is still relatively new for me in the sense of using other forms of tagging. This what I have '''<nowiki><ref name="ChaLaLyrics">[http://www.daizex.com/multimedia/lyrics/jap-cha_la_head_cha_la.html lyric and some information to Cha-La Head-Cha-La]</ref></nowiki>''', '''<nowiki><ref name="ChaLaLyrics"></nowiki>, and <nowiki><ref>[http://www.lantis.jp/new-release/data.php?id=8caacd2ed0e617dd4a8a2e2d2012866d Lantis' page for Lucky Star parody]</ref></nowiki>''' tags in the article. I did a test by removing one of the '''<nowiki><ref name="ChaLaLyrics"></nowiki>''' tags to see if some of the content returned, but nothing. So I'm back to square one. I got the '''<nowiki><ref name="ChaLaLyrics"></nowiki>''' tag from the Infinite World article which was a '''<nowiki><ref name="TienVsCell"></nowiki>''' tag that I alterated. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 20:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

::::Just what I suspected, you were missing a / sign on a couple of them. Nailed it for you [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Cha-La_Head-Cha-La&diff=237789573&oldid=237749249]. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 20:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:::::Thanks for the help. It appears I've got alot more learn about Wikipedia's mechanics. [[User:Sarujo|Sarujo]] ([[User talk:Sarujo#top|talk]]) 20:51, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

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*I assume you will add "Voice actors" section to the articles in time? Because right now that information is missing from many of them. [[User:JuJube|JuJube]] ([[User talk:JuJube|talk]]) 11:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

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Need to add "fair use rationale" for all the images on Bill & Ted's Excellent Video Game Adventure

I just found out about this myself, but in addition to the copyright template on each image page, you have to add a "fair use rationale" to each of the images you uploaded. An example can be found here: Arch Rival Box

It's way redundant information, I know, but it's the only way to make sure your images don't get attacked by some editor looking for some quick, easy brownie points to go toward his adminship.

I don't want to see that article get tore up, so please try and fix that soon! Thanks! SashaNein 18:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

You might've already done this, I guess. It's weird because I looked at the images and they didn't have the fair use hoobajoob before. Thanks! SashaNein 19:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

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Question

I have reverted your unexplained edit to Dragon Ball GT. Why are you changing instances of "Doragon Bōru" to "Doragonbōru" and the names of several tracks pertaining to the Dragon Ball OSTs? Please reply on your talk page. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 01:10, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, it was my impression that when "ドラゴンボール" got romanized it automatically came out "Doragonbōru". Now I know that many words or sentences in katakana and hiragana don't always use blank or period spaces "・" in their text making them look like one long word. But my intention was to imitate the Japanese with the romanji, thus the romanji "Doragonbōru". Now in the English, I will go along with the spelling format as "Dragon Ball" even though others have officially wrote it as "Dragonball" and "DragonBall". To me, this is just like the whole "InuYasha", "Inuyasha", "Inu Yasha" romanization thing.
As for the soundtracks, your going to have to be alittle more specific. Sarujo (talk) 02:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
In other words, you're assuming that ドラゴンボール would be Doragonbōru? Have you even looked at the Japanese wiki translation for Dragon Ball? I asked about the soundtracks because you changed the romaji for pretty much all of them without leaving an edit summary. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 02:57, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
There is no such thing as spacing in Japanese, so it seems like it can be shown with or without the space as romaji. I'm not sure if the Wikipedia:MOS addresses this. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:37, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I have viewed the Japanese Wiki on Dragon Ball a few times and yes they do write the English title as "Dragon Ball", I do not deign this. But that still doesn't change the fact that Dragon Ball's katakana ドラゴンボール when displayed in raw romanji can be romanized as "Doragonbōru". Sarujo (talk) 15:51, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
I've started changing instances of Doragon Bōru to Doragonbōru based on this discussion. Think you can help me get the others? I think you nailed all the soundtracks, the movies and games are pretty much the only ones left. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 03:48, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
Just wondering if you finished the changes. Haven't heard from you man. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 06:23, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, for the most part I have changed most of the romanji. But there might be a few I missed. Plus I took the liberty to add the romanji in places where there wasn't any at all. I have purposely overlooked the "Legends" article for right now as I want to do an overhaul on that page, so I figured I do that in one swoop. I hope no one will object to this as with that whole Budokai Tenkaichi article fiasco, it makes one hesitant on attempting such a drastic change. Sarujo (talk) 07:04, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
Haven't checked but did you fix all the ones categorized here? Oh and I learned that the only time there needs to be a space in between kanji is when it is a name, see MOS:JP#Names. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 05:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I had to double check those articles, and yes I have made changes where ever it was applied. Now there is still the episode list for all three series to deal with. Oh god, that's going to be a long night there.
Plus, I've finished the work to the "Legends" artical if you want to see. I may add more late, if I can find it. Sarujo (talk) 07:18, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Why does Legends use Doragonboru and not Doragonbōru? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 15:06, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Sorry about that, I wasn't pay attention what I was doing. I tend to jump around on an article as I write it, which is probably not a good habit. But the format has been corrected now. Sarujo (talk) 17:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I read your update, though I believe it should be "DoragonbōruZetto", no space, like in Dragon Ball Z. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 15:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, Yeah that is the right format. But the only reason why I leave the format as "Doragonbōru Zetto" or "Doragonbōru Jītī" is due to those "geniuses" who appear out of nowhere and simply erase the whole nihongo. I ran into such a problem with the "Burst Limit" artical. I had originaly wrote the romanji as "Doragonbōru Zetto Bāsutorimitto". But the one called "Supergohan1" and some unregestered users keep coming and removing the Burst Limit romanji and just simply replacing it with the English title. Thus turning the template into "Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit (ドラゴンボールZ バーストリミット, Doragonbōru Zetto DragonBall Z: Burst Limit)". I kept reverting this and I added a hidden message asking them to goto the dissusion box and explain why they felt that the romanji didn't belong. So instead of doing this "Supergohan1" reverts the format back and leaves this in the edit summary: "Because the game is called DragonBall Z: Burst Limit". So after fighting it, I desided to just go in and split "Bāsutorimitto" to "Bāsuto Rimitto". Shortly afterwards a line was typed in the artical "OK I get it . . .". In short separating "Zetto" or "Jiti" from the rest of the title's romanji is just to ensure that the nihongo won't get torn up like with the Burst Limit title. Sarujo (talk) 17:13, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I'd rather we follow the guideline than change things to prevent arguements with other editors. Go ahead and combine the kanji, katankana, etc., and if users remove the nihongo, then revert and warn them for vandalism. I'll back you up if needed, just tell me where. Thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 17:38, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Well, I don't have a problem with this. Although I'm not quite sure what the proper protocol for warning a user for vandalism since I've had to to issue it. For right now the articals that need watching over are soundtrack articals with song title that have been known by fanboys by a inaccurate or half translation. Examples of this would be any article that includes the songs "Aitsu wa Son Gokū" and "Akuariumu no Yoru".
I'll get started on the space removal on the Super Complete Collection as Columbia has just posted the tracklist for that album, and it will take the longest to fix up. Sarujo (talk) 00:16, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Hi. Why not continue further discussion here. It would be more helpful if others are involved.  UzEE  14:36, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
Think we're pretty much finished with this discussion. Sarujo, are there any pages you didn't get? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 06:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Well I have finished All movies, games, and albums. But it wouldn't hurt to check behind me to see if there's any instance I missed, such as the Super Complete Collection due to it's sheer size. Sarujo (talk) 05:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
You're alright I guess. Did you upgrade List of Dragon Ball video games by making sure each game was there? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 06:35, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Upgrade the list? Do you mean add more games? Sarujo (talk) 06:40, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
To specify, is each game listed there? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 06:50, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
Yes, for now anyway. Until I or anybody happen across another game of some kind. See if everything's up to standards. Sarujo (talk) 07:51, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I had a discussion with User:Ryulong regarding the nihongo changes. He says we were wrong in combining the English romaji and has started undoing them. Please join the discussion here to know why he is performing the edits. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 02:30, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
Hey Sarujo, can you include [[Category:Dragon Ball images]] to any Dragon Ball-related pics you upload and/or find? I'm slowly getting to these, as well the nihongo edits. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 22:05, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
Sure thing, when I find them I'll tag them. Sarujo (talk) 01:35, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
Well that should take care of all the the name romanji and image tagging, unless I missed something. Sarujo (talk) 06:57, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I really appreciate all your help. You're a lifesaver ;) Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 21:03, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Concerning your edits to video game articles which change {{vgrelease}} to {{flagicon}}, please be aware that consensus at WP:VG is to use {{vgrelease}} instead of {{flagicon}}, as noted at WP:VG/DATE: "Within the infobox, release dates should be provided using the {{vgrelease}} template. Even if this format is not used, do not use flag icons in the infobox, instead, state the region/country by name or by their 2 or 3-letter country codes." Happy editing! --Silver Edge (talk) 22:28, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Please comment at Talk:Future_Trunks#Redirect. Thanks LegoKontribsTalkM 23:01, 17 August 2008 (UTC)


I want to remind you that you must include verifiable, third-party sources establishing notability of this yet-to-be-released album. Otherwise, this article may be proposed for deletion per Wikipedia guidelines. Hopefully, you find some. Thank you, MuZemike (talk) 16:18, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I added a link to the label's official website, does that help? Sarujo (talk) 04:10, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Dragon Ball Z: Burst Limit Original Soundtrack

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Are there any confirmed characters that are playable? I'd remove the list if there weren't any. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 03:06, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

There are, it just people aren't taking the time to add the proper sources for those characters. Plus there are some characters that I don't even know are in the game that people are adding like Arale. Sarujo (talk) 03:16, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
I suggest we remove it then, or at least until a reliable source exists. What are your thoughts? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 03:23, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Ok here's the thing, one IP had hidden message stating that pictures conferming said chracters was at the second reference's link. Which is the French Atari website. So I checked it out, and sure enough there were actual screenshots showing some of the confermed characters that are claimed to be featured within the game. I suggest useing the links to the best pics a references for each character for now and and replace them if and when something better popup. Like an official website by either Bandai or Atari in either US or Japanese regions. Sarujo (talk) 03:47, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Sure. Can you do it alone or did you want assistance? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 03:56, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
Sure, my hands are alittle tied at the moment. Sarujo (talk) 04:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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Page movement of Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy

I noticed that Jak and Daxter: The Precursor Legacy has been seeing a lot of movement regarding some people's preference of "&" over "and". I was wondering, do you think the page needs move protection? Is it possible to protect it only from being moved? Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 06:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes, most defiantly. The official logo does not recognize any ampersand, so the article should not. Changing an article title into something that doesn't reflect the actual title is vandalism. And yes you can lock an article from being moved. Whether it be from being changed into a particular name or locked from being moved entirely, I'm not sure. But again, I insist on a lockdown. Sarujo (talk) 06:38, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
Apparently, it can be locked from being moved entirely. I'm glad you know the procedure for getting it done. I don't think it's vandalism, though. I've seen true page-move vandalism. The Legend of Zelda has been moved no less than three times to something like "Frank's Peepee", with an edit summary like, "This article has been PWNED!" These guys think they're doing the right thing; they're not trying to be disruptive. Larrythefunkyferret (talk) 03:29, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Just in case you didn't know a discussion was started at the talk page. Apparently this problem need to be resolved before September 6. Sarujo (talk) 04:47, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

What happened to the fair use rationale? Thought you templated it. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 02:57, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

This is why. Sarujo (talk) 03:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Huh? I can't tell what you're trying to show me. What happened exactly? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 04:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Exclamation points mess up the templates. Even the infoboxes are affected by this when using a second point. Fortunately for that you can use the "nowiki" function to fix the infoboxes, but that only works on the infoboxes. Sarujo (talk) 04:22, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
No wonder I couldn't fix it. Guess we'll have to do without it. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 04:28, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Megatron and Starscream reverts

I added some information to the talk pages on why I made the changes, and would like to hear your input too. I'd like to find a happy medium on the editing. I'd like to keep the section titles of "Transformers: Generation 1" so they stay consistant with other TF articles, and keep the info on the G1 character seperate from the rest of the page, by keeping all that info on the other Megatrons and Starscream out of that section. Please get back to me when you are free. Mathewignash (talk) 22:47, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, I find it very fortuitous that you would come here as I can not only address both aforementioned character articles, but all the other Transformer character articles pertaining to G1 instead of hopping from talk page to talk page.
With that said, let me say with all due respect that most of those articles are terrible. They are filled with alot unnecessary fan cruft and lists that weigh down their potential to achieving GA or even FA status.
First off, these articles are suppose to pertain to the G1 character only. Therefore, their's no need to single out G1 in any one section as all the other incarnations were moved to other pages entitled "_________ (other incarnations)". As for other articles that haven't had this treatment like Jazz and Prowl, they should be moved into a "other incarnations" section and made into subsections.
Second, the article headings are ridiculously meager and need to be expanded with a proper introduction that sets up the article all about the character.
Third, the articles all lack the appropriate references to backup the important stuff. The wizard reference for Megatron is not very thorough. It needs a date of release, volume/issue and page numbers.
Fourth every character article needs at least some of the following sections to make a good article which are development/conception, appearance, personality, history, cultural impact/reception, other media appearances, references, and external links. Many of these articles lack some of the aforementioned and some have information scrambled about, Optimus Prime being the worst.
Fifth, Wikipedia is not a buyers guide for Transformer merchandise, it is an encyclopedia. Therefore, toy lists don't belong in any character article as they are unencyclopedic and filled with too much fan cruft. Lists in general are only permitted in disambiguation pages, and articles about music albums, some video games, and article references. The truth is that all animated programs get their own toyline with each character getting represented with some type of figure or doll. So their's nothing notable about the volumes subsequent releases of every single incarnation of every Transformer ever conceived. That's what the individual toyline articles are for. Also it must be taken into consideration that as the years go by more and more toys of individual G1 characters will appear and will only cause the article to get hefty as more editors list them. The only toys that holds notability in the character articles are the original Diaclone and Microman mechas, and their corresponding Transformer reimagings. Which should go into their development/conception section. Others characters like Hot Rod, who's corresponding toy was produced after initial introduction also deserver this treatment in their individual development sections. To astablish why there is difference in the two mediums.
Sixth, the pop culture and other comics sections should be merged into one section call "______ in other media".
Seventh, the honorable mentions of children story books belong in the other media section and don't deserve their own subsection as they are not memberable to be singled out. The only rememberable story book moment for Megatron was in "Marvel Big Looker" book "The Great Car Rally" where he gets behind the wheel of a black convertible and shoots at the competing Autobots as seen here, but that in itself is a trivial matter.
Any questions? Sarujo (talk) 15:51, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Everything looks to be in order. What section(s) are you referring to? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 19:58, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

The 2005 and Lucky Star Versions are invisible on the main article but not in the edit box. Sarujo (talk) 20:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
The ref layout is probably written incorrectly (it happens sometimes). Have you checked them out? Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 20:21, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
I have looked at them, but this is still relatively new for me in the sense of using other forms of tagging. This what I have <ref name="ChaLaLyrics">[http://www.daizex.com/multimedia/lyrics/jap-cha_la_head_cha_la.html lyric and some information to Cha-La Head-Cha-La]</ref>, <ref name="ChaLaLyrics">, and <ref>[http://www.lantis.jp/new-release/data.php?id=8caacd2ed0e617dd4a8a2e2d2012866d Lantis' page for Lucky Star parody]</ref> tags in the article. I did a test by removing one of the <ref name="ChaLaLyrics"> tags to see if some of the content returned, but nothing. So I'm back to square one. I got the <ref name="ChaLaLyrics"> tag from the Infinite World article which was a <ref name="TienVsCell"> tag that I alterated. Sarujo (talk) 20:40, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Just what I suspected, you were missing a / sign on a couple of them. Nailed it for you [1]. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 20:46, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for the help. It appears I've got alot more learn about Wikipedia's mechanics. Sarujo (talk) 20:51, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

DBZ Character articles

  • I assume you will add "Voice actors" section to the articles in time? Because right now that information is missing from many of them. JuJube (talk) 11:31, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

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