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What's With the Merging?

Seriously, this page was better 2 years ago when everybody had individual pages. Merging all characters pages together is stupid. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Dreamlover13 (talk • contribs) 18:30, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I completely agree with you on that, especially since some characters have their own pages. Earlier the pages seemed quite detailed too, but now not so much. Yes, I know that minor characters probably don't require a whole page, but at least each Konoha 12, should have their own page, and the sand siblings. And I'm still new at this, but it would hurt to add a List of Characters link or something, because I had to go through other characters' pages to get to the one I was looking for. Hyakurei (talk) 13:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

This merged version is terrible, and will someone tell me who decided that everything Naruto-related ought to merged like this? Adding to what you guys said, it also is harder to find things now. I'm gonna move for the article to be re-separated, because if we made each page (all 4 of 'em) acceptably detailed, people would begin complaining that they're too long. --IdLoveOne (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

You can "move" all you want, but considering List of Naruto characters is now a featured list, I seriously doubt you will find any support on it. The merging of all the character articles was a large scale effort and done in compliance with Wikipedia guidelines and policies. If you want individual articles for every little character, google Naruto wikia. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 23:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

You might be right, but it's all still definitely of inferior quality than it would be if they'd kept things separate (they could've grouped certain characters and related topics without total mergism); that's almost proven by the fact that if you want quality should look for a non-Wikipedia Wiki. --IdLoveOne (talk) 20:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Just depends on your definition of quality. If you want fan-oriented material, then yes, looking off Wikipedia is best. This is the place for brief, summarizing encyclopedic coverage. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 21:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

I value most things you do for anime and manga on wikipedia collectionian but I think you need to be slightly less prescriptive on the guidelines and policies, its not all about making featured articles, even though it is a worthy cause, after all one of the main policies is 'ignore all rules'. if the articles dont include information that the average person who would search for a list of characters in naruto looking at the page would expect to find, and currently i think the information is a bit scant. But on the other hand agree that its alot better than it was before, you dont need everything that has happened to a character, and think most of these people complaining should be looking somewhere else for their information. A bit off topic but i think it would greatly improve the list if there was a picture of each character next to their name, as this would be perfect for naruto novices, and i know this contradicts the fair use policy slightly, but to be honest i dont think the makers will mind, which is the main reason the policy is there, and at the moment the pictures are hard to tie to the characters for someone who may have only seen a few episodes, and i think this is a case where you can safely 'ignore all rules', especially when individual pictures are used elsewhere on wikipedia and already has fair use.86.131.91.141 (talk) 23:39, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Um, no I don't need to, and yes, all articles should have the goal of being of high quality. Being content with being substandard is never ideal and calling IAR just to try to make it more fansite like will never fly. Pictures of each character does not contradict the fair use policy "slightly" it blatantly breaks it and it will not be allowed. They would be quickly and rightly removed and deleted. That is not a very negotiable policy and it is not one that you can call IAR on pretty much ever. It and copyright are too of the most stringently enforced policies. The fact that other stuff exists is also not valid. Many of those individual pictures are being removed one by one. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 23:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

It wasnt to make it more like a fansite, i wish you wouldnt be so aggressive in youre replys, and i wouldnt add something without consensus. Sheesh youre too used to getting abuse obviously, i was just trying to have a discussion. There is individual pictures of characters on the pages for notable individual characters for instance, cant they then be used anywhere on wikipedia without debating fair use? For other characters the rational for fair use it to minimize legal exposure, and so if no additional exposure is added to wikipedia, and the article is significantly improved then maybe this could be debated? At the moment there is no way for a novice to be able to identify an individual character from the pictures, therefore under youre rational should be deleted completely because its not really notable to the complete newbie? Or maybe something in between could happen, with a picture of each team, or just better notation of character names, im not trying to have a go, just debate a way the article could be improved, since ive noticed a significant flaw?86.131.91.141 (talk) 00:23, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Pretty much, no on individual character images being used away from their articles. Individual images are allowed on individual character articles because they are illustrative of the primary topic of the article (and in those articles, those images should be limited, usually to one image unless there is conceptual art or major changes in appearances throughout the series). Outside of individual articles, character lists are allowed 1-3 group images but individual images are a big no no. In other articles, for the most part, such images are not allowed at all unless accompanied by sourced critical discussion of the image. Many many many discussions have occurred over this issue and it was agreed by large scale consensus that individual character images do not significantly improve any character list and blantantly violate WP:NONFREE and the edicts of the Wikimedia Foundation to reduce the use of non-free images. It was felt that such images were primarily decoration and that a visual image was not necessary to identify characters. If you look at any of the higher quality character lists, you'll see many such images have been removed during their history. Trinity Blood's character list had some 30 images removed. Ditto the Blood+ character list and Tokyo Mew Mew's. Its one of the first things hit on during peer reviews, FA noms, etc. Excessive images. There are some group images in the character list for those wishing to see the major characters, but none are needed on this article. This isn't the primary article about the Naruto characters, the character list is. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:32, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

The problem with identifying people in the images is probably best solved by better captioning. --erachima talk 00:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Hidden Ads Removed

Just to bring this to the general attention, I recently found advertisements leading to the following links on this page (as well as other major pages about Naruto):

• http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/naruto/goods/game.html
• http://www.tv-tokyo.co.jp/anime/naruto/goods/game2007.html

These links were hidden and accessible by clicking any part of the right hand side of the page. They also gave the page extra blank length (so scrolling was a nightmare). I've deleted all of these on the major Naruto pages. Should someone find another one on any page (or find these again on the major Naruto pages), please delete them. If you don't know how, post the page here so someone can have them deleted. Thank you.

[NOTE] I added the warning above to the Naruto Uzumaki page. Realizing this should go on the main Naruto page, I went to add this section when I found the same hidden ads. These ads blocked me from clicking the "Edit this page" link. So I repeat, should anyone find these ads, delete them! If you don't know how, post the page here so someone can have them deleted. 98.110.164.162 (talk) 17:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

The problem is on whatever computer you're using, not Wikipedia. Run a spyware/adware removal program or something. ~SnapperTo 18:33, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

I tried on another computer before I deleted them all, and they were there. I then tried it on a Mac, and they were there. The ads were on the actual make-up of the page. 98.110.164.162 (talk) 18:14, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Well I can't replicate the problem. Additionally, you were only removing random Japanese characters (ie. ま, Ｌ, etc.) from the articles, not the links. Can your computers render Japanese? ~SnapperTo 18:31, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Weasel words in the character section?

Reads like an add. CBF logging in to edit right now, but if someone could make it more NPOV, that would be appreciated 10:42, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Elaborate. –Gunslinger47 23:10, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Another of my big, dramatic ideas

A lot of which have worked actually :p But anyways, with the good topic process up and running, there are topics that can be made of all good topics (and all lists must be featured). As such, we can push for a Naruto characters good topic, and finally centralize our work on those articles into something tangible. The current state of the topic:

Main page	Articles
Template:FA-icon List of Naruto characters	Template:C-icon Naruto Uzumaki - Sasuke Uchiha - Sakura Haruno - Kakashi Hatake - Template:C-icon Jiraiya (Naruto) - Orochimaru (Naruto) - Template:C-icon Shikamaru Nara - Template:C-icon Rock Lee - Gaara - List of Naruto antagonists

So yeah. Basically we have four characters that need to go to GA, and the antagonists list needs to go to FL (yikes!). The order of difficulty is probably Shikamaru-Lee-Jiraiya-Naruto-antagonists list and is probably the one we should take (although of course, anyone is free to work on anything they want). Anything anyone can find in terms of reception and conception stuff is welcome, and cleaning up the in-universe stuff is always good. Whenever I get time (considering I'm starting school tomorrow), I'll work on copy-editing and fixing up the articles, and hopefully we can get this to fruition. My biggest worry is about the antagonists list, namely reception, so anything anyone can get on that would be greatly appreciated (the antagonists list will require a copy-editor, as it's going through WP:FLC). sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 21:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Sounds good, but why is Naruto one of the hardest? The new databook has something about conception of some villains, I ll try to add it later.Tintor2 (talk) 21:42, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

I would guess that Naruto is more difficult because, as the main character, he has much more available information to sift through than characters like Shikamaru. ~SnapperTo 23:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. The more information, the harder it is to present it well. sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 02:15, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Just placing a notice here that Rock Lee has been sent to WP:GAN. Also, Naruto Uzumaki is an article being included in Wikipedia 0.7 per here, so bringing it up to GA should be raised a couple notches in priority. sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 23:01, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

"Naruto All Stars"

This a relatively new album, and it features the Japanese cast of Naruto singing some of the theme songs. It has "distance" sung by Junko Takeuchi (Naruto), "R★O★C★K★S" sung by Kazuhiko Inoue (Kakashi), "シナリオ" (Shinario) sung by Noriaki Sugiyama (Sasuke), "流れ星~Shooting Star~" (Nagareboshi~Shooting Star~) sung by Showtaro Morikubo (Shikamaru), "ユラユラ" (Yura Yura) sung by Chie Nakamura (Sakura), "つぼみ" (Tsubomi) sung by Junko Takeuchi (Naruto), "目覚めろ!野性" (Mezamero! Yasei) sung by Kazuhiko Inoue (Kakashi), "キミモノガタリ" (Kimi Monogatari) by Noriaki Sugiyama (Sasuke), Re:Member by Showtaro Morikubo (Shikamaru) and ピノキオ (Pinokio) by Chie Nakamura (Sakura). Anyways yea. I don't really want to create the info on my own because I'd probably write it horribly...Moocowsrule (talk) 02:09, 14 September 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule

Source? -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:18, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-nu-49-jp-70-2t2a.html is the site I got it from and there are a few videos on YouTube with the songs... Quite frankly I think Showtaro Morikubo ruined Nagareboshi... It just sounds weird... but that's off topic. Anyways it was released like in July so it just hasn't been created. I haven't heard much about it actually. Doesn't seem that popular... I should look at the Oricon charts...Moocowsrule (talk) 01:56, 15 September 2008 (UTC)Moocowsrule