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===[[Illmind]]===
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| name = Amelanchier
| image = Amelanchier grandiflora2.jpg
| image_width = 240px
| regnum = [[Plant]]ae
| divisio = [[Flowering plant|Magnoliophyta]]
| classis = [[Magnoliopsida]]
| ordo = [[Rosales]]
| familia = [[Rosaceae]]
| subfamilia = [[Maloideae]]
| genus = '''''Amelanchier'''''
| genus_authority = [[Friedrich Kasimir Medikus|Medik.]]
| subdivision_ranks = Species
| subdivision = About 20; see text
}}


:{{la|Illmind}} (<span class="plainlinks">[{{fullurl:Illmind|wpReason={{urlencode: [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Illmind]]}}&action=delete}} delete]</span>) – <includeonly>([[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Illmind|View AfD]])</includeonly><noinclude>([[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2008 October 11#{{anchorencode:Illmind}}|View log]])</noinclude>
'''''Amelanchier''''', also known as '''shadbush''', '''serviceberry''', '''sarvisberry''', '''juneberry''', '''Saskatoon''', '''shadblow''', '''shadwood''', '''sugarplum''', and '''wild-plum''', is a [[genus]] of about 20 species of [[shrub]]s and small [[deciduous]] [[tree]]s in the [[Rosaceae]] (Rose family).
Non-notable producer. Has worked with a few notable artist but not on any notable tracks. Tagged for notability and expansion since March 2008. Fails [[WP:MUSIC]]. —<font color="007FFF">[[User:Hello Control|'''Hello, Control''']]</font> <sup><font color="FF0000">[[User talk:Hello Control|Hello, Tony]]</font></sup> 15:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*<small>'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Music|list of Music-related deletion discussions]]. </small><small>—<font color="007FFF">[[User:Hello Control|'''Hello, Control''']]</font> <sup><font color="FF0000">[[User talk:Hello Control|Hello, Tony]]</font></sup> 15:22, 7 October 2008 (UTC)</small>
*<small>'''Note''': This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Living people|list of Living people-related deletion discussions]]. --[[User:Erwin85Bot|Erwin85Bot]] ([[User talk:Erwin85Bot|talk]]) 00:02, 8 October 2008 (UTC)</small>
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*'''Delete''' Worked with notable artists but nothing himself. We wouldn't give an article to the guy who produced Nirvana's lost demo tape, Echo and the Bunnymen's flop and Cream's first single which failed to chart, so this one should go. <font style="font:12px Harlow Solid Italic">[[User:Universal Cereal Bus|<font color=#00ffff>Special</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Universal Cereal Bus|<big><font color=#ff0000>K</font></big>]]([[User talk:Universal Cereal Bus|KoЯn flakes]])</small> 08:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
*Obvious '''Keep''', producer for [[Little Brother]], [[Sean Price]], [[Boot Camp Clik]], [[El Da Sensei]], [[Supastition]], [[Akrobatik]] etc. The fact that in this context ''producer means creator of the musical track'' is just one of many things wrong with KoЯn flakes' analogy above. [[WP:MUSIC]] doesn't say anything about producers of any stripe, and can be overruled by common sense in any case. [[Special:Contributions/86.44.31.100|86.44.31.100]] ([[User talk:86.44.31.100|talk]]) 16:10, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:[http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE3D7143FF934A35750C0A9629C8B63 illmind reviewed in in the NYT] [http://schememag.com/hip-hop/illmind/ illmind in Scheme] [http://www.prefixmag.com/features/illmind/the-drums-definitely-got-to-bang/12844/ illmind in prefixmag] [http://blog.seattlepi.nwsource.com/spi/archives/132237.asp illmind in Akrobatik review in Seattle Post Intelligencer blog] [[Special:Contributions/86.44.31.100|86.44.31.100]] ([[User talk:86.44.31.100|talk]]) 16:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:*'''Comment''' Times piece is a two sentence writeup of his Jay-Z remix album, in an article that writes up ''twelve'' different Jay-Z remix albums. Post-Intelligencer link is similarly trivial. As mentioned in the nom, there is no indication that any of the tracks he's produced are notable—working with a notable artist does not transfer notability to the producer. —<font color="007FFF">[[User:Hello Control|'''Hello, Control''']]</font> <sup><font color="FF0000">[[User talk:Hello Control|Hello, Tony]]</font></sup> 16:52, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::''there is no indication that any of the tracks he's produced are notable'' He produced (that is, produced and created the musical tracks) on half the last [[Little Brother]] album; am I to understand this was the non-notable half?


::Early in his career he released an album under his own name on [http://www.bbemusic.com/features/beatgeneration.html bbe / beat generation]. Had he continued in this vein he would be notable per WP:Music as an artist in his own right; he would also have close to zero impact on hip hop as opposed to now. [[Special:Contributions/86.44.27.95|86.44.27.95]] ([[User talk:86.44.27.95|talk]]) 23:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
The genus is native to temperate regions of the [[Northern Hemisphere]], growing primarily in early successional habitats. It is most diverse taxonomically in [[North America]], especially in the northern [[United States]] and southern [[Canada]], and is native to every state of the United States except Hawaii. Two species also occur in [[Asia]], and one in [[Europe]]. These plants are valued horticulturally, and their fruits are important to wildlife. The [[systematics]] (taxonomy) of shadbushes has long perplexed botanists, horticulturalists, and others, as suggested by the range in number of species recognized in the genus from 6 to 33 in two recent publications <ref>Landry, P. (1975). Le concept d'espece et la taxinomie du genre Amelanchier (Rosacees). ''Bull. Soc. Bot. France'' 122: 43-252.</ref><ref>Phipps, J. B., Robertson, K. R., Smith, P. G., & Rohrer, J. R. (1990). A checklist of the subfamily Maloideae (Rosaceae). ''Canad. J. Bot''. 68: 2209-2269.</ref>. A major source of complexity comes from the occurrence of [[apomixis]] (asexual seed production), [[polyploidy]], and [[Hybrid (biology)|hybrid]]ization.<ref name=umaine>University of Maine: [http://biology.umaine.edu/Amelanchier/Home.html ''Amelanchier'' Systematics and Evolution]</ref>
::* I don't see that any one track on that album is particularly notable. If you'd like to show me that I'm mistaken please provide more information (chart success, etc.). If his work on the album was particularly notable, then surely there must be plenty of media coverage lauding his work, singing his praises. Similarly, if his impact on hip hop is so great, where is the coverage? —<font color="007FFF">[[User:Hello Control|'''Hello, Control''']]</font> <sup><font color="FF0000">[[User talk:Hello Control|Hello, Tony]]</font></sup> 00:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

''Amelanchier'' species grow to 0.2–20 m tall, arborecent or suckering and forming loose colonies or dense clumps to single-stemmed. The [[bark]] is gray or less often brown, smooth or fissuring in older trees. The [[leaf|leaves]] are deciduous, cauline, alternate, simple, lanceolate to elliptic to orbiculate, 0.5–10 x 0.5–5.5 cm, thin to coriaceous, with surfaces abaxially glabrous or densely tomentose at flowering, abaxially glabrous or more or less hairy at maturity. The [[inflorescence]]s are terminal, with 1–20 flowers, erect or drooping, either in clusters of one to four flowers, or in [[raceme]]s with 4–20 flowers. The [[flowers]] have five white (rarely somewhat pink, yellow, or streaked with red), linear to orbiculate petals, 2.6–25 mm long, occasionally andropetalous (bearing apical microsporangia adaxially; only known in this genus in ''A. nantucketensis''). The flowers appear in early spring, "when the [[shad]] run" according to tradition (leading to names such as "shadbush"). The [[fruit]] is a berry-like pome, red to purple to nearly black at maturity, 5–15 mm diameter, insipid to delectably sweet, maturing in summer.<ref name=umaine/>

==Selected species==
For North American species, the taxonomy follows the forthcoming ''Flora of North America'';<ref name=umaine/><ref>Campbell, C. S., Dibble, A. C., Frye, C. T., & Burgess, M. B. (2008; accepted for publication). ''Amelanchier''. In FNA Editorial Committee, ''Flora of North America'' 9. Magnoliophyta: Rosidae (in part): Rosales (in part). Oxford University Press, New York.</ref> for Asian species the ''Flora of China'';<ref name=foc>Flora of China: [http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=101333 ''Amelanchier'']</ref> and for European species the ''Flora Europaea''.<ref name=fe>Flora Europaea: [http://rbg-web2.rbge.org.uk/cgi-bin/nph-readbtree.pl/feout?FAMILY_XREF=&GENUS_XREF=Amelanchier+&SPECIES_XREF=&TAXON_NAME_XREF=&RANK= ''Amelanchier'']</ref>

*''[[Amelanchier alnifolia]]'' var. ''alnifolia'' - Saskatoon serviceberry, alder-leaved shadbush, Saskatoon, Saskatoon berry, amélanchier à feuilles d'aulne<ref name=umaine1>University of Maine: [http://biology.umaine.edu/Amelanchier/aln.html ''Amelanchier alnifolia var. alnifolia'']</ref>
*''[[Amelanchier amabilis]]'' - Lovely shadbush, amélanchier gracieux <ref name=umaine2>University of Maine: [http://biology.umaine.edu/Amelanchier/ama.html ''Amelanchier amabilis'']</ref>
*''[[Amelanchier arborea]]'' - Downy shadbush<ref name=umaine3>University of Maine: [http://biology.umaine.edu/Amelanchier/arb.html ''Amelanchier arborea'']</ref>
*''[[Asian Serviceberry|Amelanchier asiatica]]'' - Asian serviceberry<ref name=foc1>Flora of China: [http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200010604 ''Amelanchier asiatica'']</ref>
*''[[Amelanchier bartramiana]]'' - Mountain shadbush, amélanchier de Bartram <ref name=umaine4>University of Maine: [http://biology.umaine.edu/Amelanchier/bar.html ''Amelanchier bartramiana'']</ref>
*''[[Amelanchier canadensis]]'' var. ''canadensis'' - Eastern shadbush, amélanchier du Canada<ref name=umaine5>University of Maine: [http://biology.umaine.edu/Amelanchier/can.html ''Amelanchier canadensis var. canadensis'']</ref>
*''[[Amelanchier humilis]]'' - Low shadbush, amélanchier bas<ref name=umaine6>University of Maine: [http://biology.umaine.edu/Amelanchier/hum.html ''Amelanchier humilis'']</ref>
*''[[Amelanchier interior]]'' - Wiegand's shadbush, amélanchier de l'intérieur<ref name=umaine7>University of Maine: [http://biology.umaine.edu/Amelanchier/intr.html ''Amelanchier interior'']</ref>
*''[[Amelanchier laevis]]'' - Smooth shadbush, amélanchier glabre <ref name=umaine8>University of Maine: [http://biology.umaine.edu/Amelanchier/lae.html ''Amelanchier laevis'']</ref>
*''[[Amelanchier nantucketensis]]'' - Nantucket serviceberry
*''[[Amelanchier ovalis]]'' - Snowy Mespilus<ref name=fe1>Flora Europaea: [http://rbg-web2.rbge.org.uk/cgi-bin/nph-readbtree.pl/feout?FAMILY_XREF=&GENUS_XREF=Amelanchier+&SPECIES_XREF=ovalis&TAXON_NAME_XREF=&RANK= ''Amelanchier ovalis'']</ref>
*''[[Amelanchier sanguinea]]'' - Red-twigged shadbush, amélanchier sanguin<ref name=umaine9>University of Maine: [http://biology.umaine.edu/Amelanchier/san.html ''Amelanchier sanguinea'']</ref>
*''[[Amelanchier sinica]]'' - Chinese Serviceberry<ref name=foc2>Flora of China: [http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200010605 ''Amelanchier sinica'']</ref>
*''[[Amelanchier spicata]]'' - Thicket shadbush, amélanchier en épis<ref name=umaine10>University of Maine:
[http://biology.umaine.edu/Amelanchier/spi.html ''Amelanchier spicata'']</ref>
*''[[Amelanchier utahensis]]'' - Utah serviceberry<ref name=umaine11>University of Maine: [http://biology.umaine.edu/Amelanchier/uta.html ''Amelanchier utahensis'']</ref>

Several natural [[Hybrid (biology)|hybrid]]s also exist.

==Etymology==
The origin of the generic name ''Amelanchier'' is probably derived from the Provençal name of the European ''Amelanchier ovalis''. The name serviceberry comes from the similarity of the fruit to the related European ''[[Sorbus]]''. A widespread [[folk etymology]] states that the plant's flowering time signaled to early American [[settler|pioneer]]s that the ground had thawed enough in spring for the burial of the winter's dead. Juneberry refers to the fruits of certain species becoming ripe in June. The name Saskatoon originated from a [[Cree]] Native American noun ''misâskwatômina'' (''misāskwatōmina'', ''misaaskwatoomina'') for ''Amelanchier alnifolia''. The city of [[Saskatoon]], [[Saskatchewan]] is named after this plant.

==Ecology==
''Amelanchier'' are preferred browse for deer and rabbits, and heavy browsing pressure can suppress natural regeneration. [[Caterpillar]]s of [[Lepidoptera]] such as [[Brimstone Moth]], [[Brown-tail]], [[Grey Dagger]], [[Mottled Umber]], [[Rough Prominent]], [[Satellite (moth)|The Satellite]], [[Winter Moth]], ''[[Limenitis arthemis]]'' and other herbivorous insects also have a taste for serviceberry. Many insects and diseases that attack orchard trees also affect this genus, in particular trunk borers and ''[[Gymnosporangium]]'' rust. In years when late flowers overlap those of wild roses and brambles, bees may spread bacterial [[fireblight]].

==Uses and cultivation==
The fruit of several species are excellent to eat raw, tasting like a slightly nutty blueberry, though their popularity with [[bird]]s makes harvesting difficult. Fruit is harvested locally for [[pie]]s and [[jam]]s. The [[saskatoon berry]] is harvested commercially. The Native American food [[pemmican]] was flavored by shadbush fruits in combination with fat and dried meats, and the stems were made into arrow shafts.

Several species are very popular [[ornamental plant|ornamental shrubs]], grown for their flowers, bark, and fall color. All need similar conditions to grow well, requiring good drainage, air circulation (to discourage leaf diseases), watering during drought and acceptable [[soil]]. Note that species names are often used interchangeably in the nursery trade. Many ''A. arborea'' plants that are offered for sale are actually hybrids, or entirely different species.

The [[wood]] is brown, hard, close-grained, and heavy. The heartwood is reddish-brown, and the sapwood is lighter in color. It can be used for tool handles and fishing rods.

Propagation is by seed, divisions and grafting. Serviceberries graft so readily that grafts with other genera, such as ''Crataegus'' and ''Sorbus'', are often successful.

[[George Washington]] planted specimens on the grounds of [[Mount Vernon (plantation)|Mount Vernon]].

A taxon commonly cited as ''Amelanchier'' "lamarckii" is very widely cultivated and [[naturalisation (biology)|naturalized]] in Europe, where it was introduced in the 17th century; it is known to be of North American origin, probably from eastern Canada. It is not currently known to occur in the wild, and is probably of hybrid origin between ''A. laevis'' and either ''A. arborea'' or ''A. canadensis''; it is apomictic and breeds true from seed.<ref name=bean1>Bean, W. J. (1976). ''Trees and Shrubs Hardy in the British Isles'' 8th ed., vol. 1. John Murray ISBN 0-7195-1790-7.</ref><ref name=rushforth>Rushforth, K. (1999). ''Trees of Britain and Europe''. Collins ISBN 0-00-220013-9.</ref>

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://www.whatamieating.com/juneberry.html ''Juneberry''], in What Am I Eating? A Food Dictionary

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Non-notable producer. Has worked with a few notable artist but not on any notable tracks. Tagged for notability and expansion since March 2008. Fails WP:MUSIC. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 15:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 04:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Delete Worked with notable artists but nothing himself. We wouldn't give an article to the guy who produced Nirvana's lost demo tape, Echo and the Bunnymen's flop and Cream's first single which failed to chart, so this one should go. SpecialK(KoЯn flakes) 08:35, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Obvious Keep, producer for Little Brother, Sean Price, Boot Camp Clik, El Da Sensei, Supastition, Akrobatik etc. The fact that in this context producer means creator of the musical track is just one of many things wrong with KoЯn flakes' analogy above. WP:MUSIC doesn't say anything about producers of any stripe, and can be overruled by common sense in any case. 86.44.31.100 (talk) 16:10, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
illmind reviewed in in the NYT illmind in Scheme illmind in prefixmag illmind in Akrobatik review in Seattle Post Intelligencer blog 86.44.31.100 (talk) 16:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
  • Comment Times piece is a two sentence writeup of his Jay-Z remix album, in an article that writes up twelve different Jay-Z remix albums. Post-Intelligencer link is similarly trivial. As mentioned in the nom, there is no indication that any of the tracks he's produced are notable—working with a notable artist does not transfer notability to the producer. —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 16:52, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
there is no indication that any of the tracks he's produced are notable He produced (that is, produced and created the musical tracks) on half the last Little Brother album; am I to understand this was the non-notable half?
Early in his career he released an album under his own name on bbe / beat generation. Had he continued in this vein he would be notable per WP:Music as an artist in his own right; he would also have close to zero impact on hip hop as opposed to now. 86.44.27.95 (talk) 23:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I don't see that any one track on that album is particularly notable. If you'd like to show me that I'm mistaken please provide more information (chart success, etc.). If his work on the album was particularly notable, then surely there must be plenty of media coverage lauding his work, singing his praises. Similarly, if his impact on hip hop is so great, where is the coverage? —Hello, Control Hello, Tony 00:02, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
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