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'''Barraux''' ([[Arpitan]]: '''Barrault''') is a [[Commune in France|commune]] in the French [[Isère|departement of Isère]]. It includes the hamlets of '''Le Fayet''', '''La Gache''' and the 15th century fort, '''Fort Barraux'''.


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Barraux has the village of Chapareillan to the north; La Buissiere, Le [[Boissieu]] and La Flachere to the south; Pontcharra to the east and Sainte-Marie-du-Mont, on the Plateau des Petites Roches to the west. It is situated in the valley of the Gresivaudan through which the Isère river flows.


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== Legend of Motorsport (band) ==
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Hi. As regards the page Legends of Motorsport (band): gimme a friggin break! I had user Stifle put it back up, was waiting for it to appear whilst I collated my Rolling Stones and various other media sources to indicate to you pedants our "importance", and you come along and delete the bastard before I've had a chance to fix it up. Please reinstate the page so that I may reinforce the notability of Legends for all you philistines who don't think one of the biggest independant rock bands in Australia deserves a mention in your precious tome. Cheers. 23/09/08 [[Special:Contributions/58.105.190.27|58.105.190.27]] ([[User talk:58.105.190.27|talk]]) 02:07, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
The inhabitants of Barraux are called '''Barrolins'''.


*<small>Off topic: I have fixed the link that the editor from 58.105.190.27 broke in making this edit plus added in a sub heading Regards --[[User:Matilda|Matilda]] <sup>[[User_talk:Matilda|talk]]</sup> 03:45, 23 September 2008 (UTC)</small>
==History (the village)==


:The page was deleted after a community discussion on its' notability. See [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Legends of Motorsport (band)]]. I'll restore a copy of the text if you can reply back to my talk page informing me of where you'd like it posted. Your best option would be to register an account and I'll then create the article in a subpage of your userpage. And tone the attitude down a little thanks. It's not the end of the world. -- [[User:Longhair|Longhair]]\<sup>[[User_talk:Longhair|talk]]</sup> 21:22, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
The village of Barraux was probably founded as part of the [[supply chain]] to feed the fort Barraux built by [[Charles Emmanuel II]] to act as a border fort. In 1985 the fort was given back to the village of Barraux, from the French army.


Attitude I've found is a suitable companion to technophobia. I have created a user account under the name 2strokeLOMS - if you could somehow post the text there and tell me how to view it (kind of a joke, kind of not) I would be most grateful and will be sure to record your deeds in song. 24/09/08 [[User:2strokeLOMS|2strokeLOMS]] ([[User talk:2strokeLOMS|talk]]) 05:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
==History (the fort)==
====Fort Saint Barthélémy====
[[Image:Plan1597.jpg|thumb|200px|The fort Barthélémy|right|Fort Bartolomeo, drawing by Ercole Negro(1597)]]
Fort Saint Barthélémy (eventually Fort Barraux) is the oldest fort using bastions in '''France'''. It was built in 1597 and its aspect changed very little over the past 400 years as the general layout invented by the Piedmontese architect [[Ercole Negro]] will be left almost intact by its followers: A fortress with an extended star shape with a narrow end, including many bastions and advanced ditches.


== Commons ==
The fort was taken by surprise right after its completion by the Constable of Dauphiné Lesdiguières. A few enhancements have been undertaken by the engineers of [[Henry IV of France|King Henry IV]] but didn't affect the general layout.


Admission about absence - shame on you - the west oz flower piccies should be inspiring enough [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 06:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Vauban himself, Fortress Inspector in Chief of [[King Louis XIV]] in the late 17th century didn't change the arrangement of bastions and curtains. He would rather improve the various buildings inside the fort: two barracks, the well, the chapel, the large powder magazine and the gate house.


Cameras can come and go (my commons user page lists my live and dead ones without the distinguishing which are which) but hey your well being comes before the camera (or bike) trust you are ok by now. I have been getting a lot of piccies up and enjoying it so far - as for keeping tabs - I am v pleased to see we have now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/User:Hesperian/Services/Category_changes/Australia - which saves having all the damned tagged cat page items on a watch list :) [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 11:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
In the early 19th century, a casemate was added southward as this section was considered to be the weakest point


:Ouch - hope you are OK (saw the comment here and backtracked to SS's page) --[[User:Matilda|Matilda]] <sup>[[User_talk:Matilda|talk]]</sup> 11:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
===The 17th Century===
:[[Image:Plan1608.jpg|thumb|right|The Fort Barraux|200px|A drawing of the fort by Jean de Beins
(circa 1608).
Original held at '''Bibliothèque Municipale of Grenoble''']]Talented engineers will improve the fort, but keep the general layout designed by Ercole Negro
*Jean de Beins enlarges the fort eastward and builds the Governor Hotel.
*Camus builds forward bastions southward
*Delangrunne levels the West curtain and extracts the central bastion to form the entrance [[ravelin]] (or demi-lune).
*Entrance of the fort is moved several times during that century. Initially located on the North front (with an access through the Savoie ravelin), it ends up facing West, where it is still today.


== Categories ==
===Vauban & the Fort===


As our resident expert on criminal articles, [[:Category:Australians imprisoned abroad]] and [[:Category:Australian prisoners serving life sentences]] are up for discussion at CfD. Cheers, [[User:Mattinbgn|Mattinbgn]]\<sup>[[User talk:Mattinbgn|talk]]</sup> 01:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Plan1692.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Drawing by Vauban (1692).Original at Historical Services of the French Army (Vincennes)]]
*Thanks Matt - I have since commented - others in this project should also please.--[[User:VirtualSteve|<strong>VS</strong>]] <sup>[[User_talk:VirtualSteve|talk]]</sup> 03:08, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
When Vauban arrived at the fort in 1692 he is extremely negative about what was achieved by its predecessors. He asks for the improvement of the most obvious weaknesses:


::Replied at the CfD. Sorry, it's school holidays here. My finger isn't on the Wikipedia pulse of late :) -- [[User:Longhair|Longhair]]\<sup>[[User_talk:Longhair|talk]]</sup> 08:07, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
*Ditches are made 2-meter deeper (6 feet)
*Design of bastions is modified with their edges sharpened
*Width of covered ways is reduced, their layout is streamlined and profile remodeled. Traverses are cut into them to confine the effect of ricochet fire
*Galleries are added inside the flanks of bastions
*Watchtowers are remodeled
*Communication between the central fort and the ravelin of Savoie is modified with the addition of an open caponniere including parapets and palisades
*Curtains of the North and East fronts are enhanced with the addition of light tenailles and palisades
*Vauban finally creates the South redoubt


===18th to 20th centuries===
== Kate Ritchie ==


Hmmm. Blocking AuntyKate.SallyRoxs seems rather heavy-handed. Did you not figure out who she is, or read the top of her talk page? [[User:Pingku|Pingku]] ([[User talk:Pingku|talk]]) 09:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Plan1999.jpg|right|The Fort Barraux|thumb|200px|The fort in 1999]]
*The gate house and the magazine were completed in the early 18th century. Two additional barracks were built.
*The modern chapel was built in 1724 thanks to a gift from King Louis the Fifteenth on the ruins of the initial chapel from the Renaissance.
*Large scale construction resumes circa 1820 with the addition of a [[casemate]] on the south front to reinforce its defense.
*A cylindrical obstacle called "demoiselle" (Miss), was erected on the top of a traverse that crosses the ditch. Besiegers that would cross this traverse would have to kiss the Miss to bypass it, hence the name.
*In the 1870s, unrest with Italy lead to the construction of 6 forts around Grenoble. During the 19th century, defenses of Fort Barraux were also enhanced.
*The fort was used as a prison during both world wars; then in 1947, it was turned into an ammunition depot. The fort was left by the military in 1985 and was acquired by the municipality of Barraux.


I read the userpage. Who they are doesn't give the editor any right introduce trivial nonsense to the article on Ritchie. The user was given fair warning via multiple messages to their userpage, which ''they also chose to ignore''. They've only been blocked for 24 hours, not indefinitely, so they've got an opportunity to realise why they were blocked and to discuss rather than edit war in future. We're not here to babysit. -- [[User:Longhair|Longhair]]\<sup>[[User_talk:Longhair|talk]]</sup> 09:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
===Pictures===
<gallery>
Image:Demoisel.jpg|A [[Demoisel]]
Image:Fort_barraux3.jpg|A [[scale model]] of the [[fort]] entrance
Image:Fort_barraux.jpg|A [[scale model]] of the [[fort]]
Image:Chapelle-Barraux.jpg|The Chapelle.
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:You're perfectly right of course. It does seem a shame, though, with the apparent good faith behind it. Still, she was behaving like a brat. :) [[User:Pingku|Pingku]] ([[User talk:Pingku|talk]]) 11:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
== Trivia ==


== Hannah Lambourne ==
*The chapel is in direct alignment with the gate and the gun-powder store so that an attacking army would not fire their cannons at those two buildings in fear of accidentally hitting the chapel and turning divine power against them.
*The demoiselles ([[Mistress]]es) got their name from the fact that if a soldier was running along a roof and met one, due to its size, he would have to grab it with both his arms and inch slowly around it, and so had to "kiss" it.


You just managed to beat me to it. The page was lifted from [[Fiona Wood]], although you'd probably spotted that too. :) - [[User:Bilby|Bilby]] ([[User talk:Bilby|talk]]) 00:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
==See also==


==User: Bobby the Musical Prophet==
*[[Charles Emmanuel II]]
Hi Longhair. i am with the CVN on Wikipedia, and this user just popped up on my radar. He seems to have stripped your indef block warning from his talk and liberated his own page...dunno if he can be blocked from editing his talk page as well, but I thought I'd let you know anyhow! Take care, and thanks for jumping on him so swiftly. :) [[User:Iceflow|Thor Malmjursson]] ([[User talk:Iceflow|talk]]) 21:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
*[[Isère]]
*[[Grenoble]]
*[[Dauphiné]]
*[[Dukes of Savoy]]
*[[Saint-Exupéry International Airport|Lyon-Saint-Exupéry International Airport]]


==External links==
== BrianBeahr ==
*[http://www.isere-tourisme.com/pages/index/id/430/ Isère Tourism Board]
*[http://www.cg38.fr/ Official site of the departement of Isère](In French)
*[http://www.grenoble-isere-tourisme.com/ Grenoble Tourism Board](English Version Available)
*[http://www.atelierdesdauphins.com/indexus.htm/ L'Atelier des Dauphins] (in English)


Can you please help me out here. A while back I implemented an infobox to put in VFL season articles, outlining the major team and individual award winners etc. I put them into the articles 1897 to 1950 but no further. BrianBeahr, likes he's done with several other pages (duplication), has decided to make another infobox template. I have told him that a perfectly good version already exists but got no response. He has now replaced the infoboxes in the articles 1897 to 1950. He's been deleting his talk page messages but he recently, in a rare response, said that his infobox is more detailed. By comparing [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1931_VFL_season&oldid=242463674 my version] to [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=1931_VFL_season&oldid=244677709 his] you can see that it clearly isn't the case. I suggested that any changes he want to make to the infobox, such as adding teams next to the player's name, can be done to the original infobox and a new one isn't required. He didn't respond and instead deleted my comment.
==Sources==
*[http://www.atelierdesdauphins.com/indexus.htm L'Atelier des Dauphins] (Workshop of the Dauphins)


If you don't have the time to deal with this issue I understand, but could you please direct me to somewhere else I can raise this? Cheers. [[User:Crickettragic|Crickettragic]] ([[User talk:Crickettragic|talk]]) 00:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
[[Category:Communes of Isère]]


:Last night I wrote [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrianBeahr&diff=244674673&oldid=244673375 a message] on his talk page outlining the problems with his version of the St Kilda Football Club article (which he has since deleted). Each time I or another editor tries to tidy up the page he just keeps reverting back to his version of the article. I understand that he is acting in good faith but he is showing no signs that he is filling to discuss any of his edits so the options are limited. It may not qualify as vandalism but it is still disruptive to wikipedia. As someone on [[Talk:St Kilda Football Club]] put rather well, the article looks like a 'dog's breakfast'. [[User:Crickettragic|Crickettragic]] ([[User talk:Crickettragic|talk]]) 01:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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::Thanks. I appreciate that you've taken the time to investigate this. [[User:Crickettragic|Crickettragic]] ([[User talk:Crickettragic|talk]]) 01:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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[[it:Barraux]]
:::I'm working on it as we speak. I am replacing the infobox with the original. I've also edited the original infobox as you suggested, to take into account any positive changes that the one proposed for deletion had. [[User:Crickettragic|Crickettragic]] ([[User talk:Crickettragic|talk]]) 01:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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::::On second thought I've withdrawn my nomination. I'll wait until it is no longer in use. [[User:Crickettragic|Crickettragic]] ([[User talk:Crickettragic|talk]]) 01:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
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:::::Cheers. I notice he tried to do you for 3RR lol. Speaking of which, are you able to revert the St Kilda Football Club article back again? It's currently at BrianBeahr's version and I've already undid his revision twice in the last 24 hours. [[User:Crickettragic|Crickettragic]] ([[User talk:Crickettragic|talk]]) 08:44, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

==Pokemon redirect==
I did not close the AfD, however, unless there is some reason not to enforce the ended AfD, then I would certainly push the matter. If you're telling me that there is a lack of consensus, then there are appropriate avenues to approach this, as opposed to giving me a hard time. --[[User:Mhking|Mhking]] ([[User talk:Mhking|talk]]) 01:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:So help me understand; if there is only one or two voices in an AfD, then it is not considered valid? How many voices makes it valid? Does that mean that if there are only one or two voices raised in opposition then the article should not be removed or redirected? If that is the case, then why do articles with only one or two voices get removed regularly? What makes this situation different? --[[User:Mhking|Mhking]] ([[User talk:Mhking|talk]]) 01:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

==AfD nomination of Mother's Cookies==
[[Image:Ambox warning pn.svg|48px|left]]An article that you have been involved in editing, [[Mother's Cookies]], has been listed for [[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mother's Cookies]]. Thank you. <small>Do you want to [[Template:Bots#Message notification opt out|opt out]] of receiving this notice?</small><!-- Template:Adw --> [[User:Oscarthecat|Oscarthecat]] ([[User talk:Oscarthecat|talk]]) 09:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

== No problem ==

Seems so. I'll rather be fixing coords or improving articles then dealing with time wasting vandals. [[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]] ([[User talk:Bidgee|talk]]) 09:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

==Bah==
If i see another bloody ''over there'' centric thing about ranches (our wa cataloguers in the state idiot box library use 'railroading') the station art smells of some horrible generalisations, heheh - but give me indonesian subs to ''really'' rise the ire :) - trust all is well over your way - [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 12:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:I guess you're talking about [[Station (Australian agriculture)]] or have I been looking at this [[:Image:Rachael Rees.jpg|image]] for too long?? [[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]] ([[User talk:Bidgee|talk]]) 12:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

:Heh I was talking up the first - stump me grinders i cannot see the connection with the second :( [[User:SatuSuro|Satu]][[User talk:SatuSuro|Suro]] 12:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

::Well I just uploaded and added info to that image when I seen your comment on Longhair's talkpage and noticed that you said "ranches" and "station" and put two and two together. Isn't often that I can do that. ;) :P [[User:Bidgee|Bidgee]] ([[User talk:Bidgee|talk]]) 12:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

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Legend of Motorsport (band)

Hi. As regards the page Legends of Motorsport (band): gimme a friggin break! I had user Stifle put it back up, was waiting for it to appear whilst I collated my Rolling Stones and various other media sources to indicate to you pedants our "importance", and you come along and delete the bastard before I've had a chance to fix it up. Please reinstate the page so that I may reinforce the notability of Legends for all you philistines who don't think one of the biggest independant rock bands in Australia deserves a mention in your precious tome. Cheers. 23/09/08 58.105.190.27 (talk) 02:07, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Off topic: I have fixed the link that the editor from 58.105.190.27 broke in making this edit plus added in a sub heading Regards --Matilda talk 03:45, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
The page was deleted after a community discussion on its' notability. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Legends of Motorsport (band). I'll restore a copy of the text if you can reply back to my talk page informing me of where you'd like it posted. Your best option would be to register an account and I'll then create the article in a subpage of your userpage. And tone the attitude down a little thanks. It's not the end of the world. -- Longhair\talk 21:22, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Attitude I've found is a suitable companion to technophobia. I have created a user account under the name 2strokeLOMS - if you could somehow post the text there and tell me how to view it (kind of a joke, kind of not) I would be most grateful and will be sure to record your deeds in song. 24/09/08 2strokeLOMS (talk) 05:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Commons

Admission about absence - shame on you - the west oz flower piccies should be inspiring enough SatuSuro 06:06, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Cameras can come and go (my commons user page lists my live and dead ones without the distinguishing which are which) but hey your well being comes before the camera (or bike) trust you are ok by now. I have been getting a lot of piccies up and enjoying it so far - as for keeping tabs - I am v pleased to see we have now http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/User:Hesperian/Services/Category_changes/Australia - which saves having all the damned tagged cat page items on a watch list :) SatuSuro 11:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Ouch - hope you are OK (saw the comment here and backtracked to SS's page) --Matilda talk 11:42, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Categories

As our resident expert on criminal articles, Category:Australians imprisoned abroad and Category:Australian prisoners serving life sentences are up for discussion at CfD. Cheers, Mattinbgn\talk 01:14, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

  • Thanks Matt - I have since commented - others in this project should also please.--VS talk 03:08, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
Replied at the CfD. Sorry, it's school holidays here. My finger isn't on the Wikipedia pulse of late :) -- Longhair\talk 08:07, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Kate Ritchie

Hmmm. Blocking AuntyKate.SallyRoxs seems rather heavy-handed. Did you not figure out who she is, or read the top of her talk page? Pingku (talk) 09:46, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I read the userpage. Who they are doesn't give the editor any right introduce trivial nonsense to the article on Ritchie. The user was given fair warning via multiple messages to their userpage, which they also chose to ignore. They've only been blocked for 24 hours, not indefinitely, so they've got an opportunity to realise why they were blocked and to discuss rather than edit war in future. We're not here to babysit. -- Longhair\talk 09:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

You're perfectly right of course. It does seem a shame, though, with the apparent good faith behind it. Still, she was behaving like a brat. :) Pingku (talk) 11:02, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Hannah Lambourne

You just managed to beat me to it. The page was lifted from Fiona Wood, although you'd probably spotted that too. :) - Bilby (talk) 00:38, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

User: Bobby the Musical Prophet

Hi Longhair. i am with the CVN on Wikipedia, and this user just popped up on my radar. He seems to have stripped your indef block warning from his talk and liberated his own page...dunno if he can be blocked from editing his talk page as well, but I thought I'd let you know anyhow! Take care, and thanks for jumping on him so swiftly. :) Thor Malmjursson (talk) 21:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

BrianBeahr

Can you please help me out here. A while back I implemented an infobox to put in VFL season articles, outlining the major team and individual award winners etc. I put them into the articles 1897 to 1950 but no further. BrianBeahr, likes he's done with several other pages (duplication), has decided to make another infobox template. I have told him that a perfectly good version already exists but got no response. He has now replaced the infoboxes in the articles 1897 to 1950. He's been deleting his talk page messages but he recently, in a rare response, said that his infobox is more detailed. By comparing my version to his you can see that it clearly isn't the case. I suggested that any changes he want to make to the infobox, such as adding teams next to the player's name, can be done to the original infobox and a new one isn't required. He didn't respond and instead deleted my comment.

If you don't have the time to deal with this issue I understand, but could you please direct me to somewhere else I can raise this? Cheers. Crickettragic (talk) 00:42, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Last night I wrote a message on his talk page outlining the problems with his version of the St Kilda Football Club article (which he has since deleted). Each time I or another editor tries to tidy up the page he just keeps reverting back to his version of the article. I understand that he is acting in good faith but he is showing no signs that he is filling to discuss any of his edits so the options are limited. It may not qualify as vandalism but it is still disruptive to wikipedia. As someone on Talk:St Kilda Football Club put rather well, the article looks like a 'dog's breakfast'. Crickettragic (talk) 01:03, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks. I appreciate that you've taken the time to investigate this. Crickettragic (talk) 01:08, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm working on it as we speak. I am replacing the infobox with the original. I've also edited the original infobox as you suggested, to take into account any positive changes that the one proposed for deletion had. Crickettragic (talk) 01:51, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
On second thought I've withdrawn my nomination. I'll wait until it is no longer in use. Crickettragic (talk) 01:57, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Cheers. I notice he tried to do you for 3RR lol. Speaking of which, are you able to revert the St Kilda Football Club article back again? It's currently at BrianBeahr's version and I've already undid his revision twice in the last 24 hours. Crickettragic (talk) 08:44, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Pokemon redirect

I did not close the AfD, however, unless there is some reason not to enforce the ended AfD, then I would certainly push the matter. If you're telling me that there is a lack of consensus, then there are appropriate avenues to approach this, as opposed to giving me a hard time. --Mhking (talk) 01:41, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

So help me understand; if there is only one or two voices in an AfD, then it is not considered valid? How many voices makes it valid? Does that mean that if there are only one or two voices raised in opposition then the article should not be removed or redirected? If that is the case, then why do articles with only one or two voices get removed regularly? What makes this situation different? --Mhking (talk) 01:46, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Mother's Cookies

An article that you have been involved in editing, Mother's Cookies, has been listed for deletion. If you are interested in the deletion discussion, please participate by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mother's Cookies. Thank you. Do you want to opt out of receiving this notice? Oscarthecat (talk) 09:18, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

No problem

Seems so. I'll rather be fixing coords or improving articles then dealing with time wasting vandals. Bidgee (talk) 09:19, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Bah

If i see another bloody over there centric thing about ranches (our wa cataloguers in the state idiot box library use 'railroading') the station art smells of some horrible generalisations, heheh - but give me indonesian subs to really rise the ire :) - trust all is well over your way - SatuSuro 12:01, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

I guess you're talking about Station (Australian agriculture) or have I been looking at this image for too long?? Bidgee (talk) 12:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Heh I was talking up the first - stump me grinders i cannot see the connection with the second :( SatuSuro 12:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
Well I just uploaded and added info to that image when I seen your comment on Longhair's talkpage and noticed that you said "ranches" and "station" and put two and two together. Isn't often that I can do that. ;) :P Bidgee (talk) 12:21, 12 October 2008 (UTC)