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== Revise sentence ==
== Possessive's rule ==
According to [[MOS:POSS]], it should be done the way it's pronounced. I've never heard it pronounced Ives's (Ivezez) but rather simply Ives' (Ivez). If I'm mistaken, please undo the two changes I've made. --[[User:Walter Görlitz|Walter Görlitz]] ([[User talk:Walter Görlitz|talk]]) 21:11, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

The sentence "Although he is now best known for his instrumental music, he composed two string quartets and other works of chamber music" (found in the first paragraph of the second section) could use some revision. Chamber music is a type of instrumental music. Is "orchestral music" the intended phrase?

:You're correct; I fixed it. Thanks! [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus]] 22:55, 2 May 2005 (UTC)


The photo description "Charles Ives, left, captain of the baseball team and pitcher for Hopkins Grammar School"

Shouldn't it be "captain of Hopkins Grammar School and pitcher of the baseball team"?
[[User:Rwiggans|Rwiggans]] ([[User talk:Rwiggans|talk]]) 02:36, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

:Nope, he was indeed both pitcher and captain of the baseball team while at Hopkins. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 03:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Request for references ==

Hi, I am working to encourage implementation of the goals of the [[Wikipedia:Verifiability]] policy. Part of that is to make sure articles [[Wikipedia:Cite sources|cite their sources]]. This is particularly important for featured articles, since they are a prominent part of Wikipedia. Further reading is not the same thing as proper references. Further reading could list works about the topic that were not ever consulted by the page authors. If some of the works listed in the further reading section were used to add or check material in the article, please list them in a references section instead. The [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Fact and Reference Check|Fact and Reference Check Project]] has more information. Thank you, and please [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/wiki.phtml?title=User_talk:Taxman&action=edit&section=new leave me a message] when you have added a few references to the article. - [[User:Taxman|Taxman]] 17:12, Apr 22, 2005 (UTC)

==Vandalism==
Hey nerds, stop vandalizing.

== Should this be in the Introduction? ==

Ives, who died in 1954 in New York City, left behind material for an unfinished Universe Symphony. Although there have been several attempts at completion, none has found its way into general performance.

This is certainly interesting information, but hardly introductory (the symphony, I mean; date and place of death are appropriate here). After this article passes its time as featured, I plan on editing this.
[[User:Joshuabowman|JPB]] 15:52, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

:No, I don't think it should be in the intro either; it's detail which is better covered elsewhere in the article, as indeed it is. Definitely feel free to edit it. [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus]] 18:00, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

== Date of Yale entry? ==

The Charles Ives article lists him born in 1874 and entering Yale in 1864. I'm a novice at Music History, but I don't think that could be right. Maybe it's 1894? -PSS

:You are correct--he started at Yale in September 1894, and graduated in 1898. He only began studying with Parker seriously in 1896; it appears he only audited his courses for the first two years (that's not in the article... yet). [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus ]] [[User_talk:Antandrus|(talk)]] 20:46, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

== The rest is silence ==

Ives was virtually silent for the last 30 years of his life. Shouldn't there be some attempt to explain this?

:I added a paragraph. The reason is not known for certain; there are lots of theories, but the story told by Harmony to John Kirkpatrick is pretty well known. [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus ]] [[User_talk:Antandrus|(talk)]] 04:03, 20 September 2005 (UTC)

::So what ''is'' the story told by Harmony? --[[User:Wspencer11|Wspencer11]] [[User talk:Wspencer11|(talk to me...)]] 19:01, 6 July 2007 (UTC)

::: Pretty well known. Those in the know, know, you know? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/68.163.65.9|68.163.65.9]] ([[User talk:68.163.65.9|talk]]) 22:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

::::Well, it ''was'' in there. [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charles_Ives&diff=23571557&oldid=23227944 This] was the paragraph I added in 2005, but the article has been beat up a bit since then. "Harmony's story" is the one about him coming down the stairs with tears in his eyes, saying "nothing sounds right any more." [[User:Antandrus|Antandrus ]] [[User_talk:Antandrus|(talk)]] 22:20, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

== Influence of Dvorak ==

"The first symphony of 1898 was Ives’ graduation piece from Yale and is directly modelled on the spiritual godfather of all American symphonies, Dvorak’s New World which had been premiered just five years previously in New York. Although it sounds closer to Dvorak than it does to Ives’ own mature works it still contains many fascinating insights into the composer he was soon to become."
- quoted form
http://www.necgroup.co.uk/visitor/whatson/2005
Given the strong early influence of Dvorak, why is this not mentioned?

== Low marks at Yale ==


== NPOV ==
If i'm not mistaken didn't Ives receive either an overall grade of F or similar failing grade in music, or was it low scores in just some music courses? If so, it would be interesting to include this in the article!
:If I remember correctly, he had a C average in music coures and a D average for everything else. Though I can't recall a source for that. --[[User:Mahlered|Mahlered]] 08:10, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
He got around a middling B in music and Ds in everything else <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/{{{IP|{{{User|86.149.49.69}}}}}}|{{{IP|{{{User|86.149.49.69}}}}}}]] ([[User talk:{{{IP|{{{User|86.149.49.69}}}}}}|talk]]) {{{Time|18:52, August 20, 2007 (UTC)}}}</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


"All these effects are combined to create one of the towering masterworks of 20th century piano literature—an unprecedented masterpiece of American music."
== His interest in popular reception ==


"Perhaps the most remarkable piece of orchestral music Ives completed was his Fourth Symphony (1910–16). The list of forces required to perform the work alone is extraordinary."
I think this should be verified.


Sounds like this article was pulled from the back of Charles Ives CDs. The whole thing should probably be scrubbed of disgustingly adulatory prose. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/58.173.225.241|58.173.225.241]] ([[User talk:58.173.225.241|talk]]) 06:01, 3 March 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Maynard Solomon article ==


: I totally agree. [[User:Vonbontee|Vonbontee]] ([[User talk:Vonbontee|talk]]) 07:19, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Why no mention of the [[Maynard Solomon]] contentions? It seems rather central to a modern understanding of Ives.


== This article is not in line with modern scholarship on Ives!! ==
Well his claims have been largely debunked and rejected by most Ives scholars such as Jan Swafford, and considering they mostly arose 20 years ago, I don't think it's worth adding. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/131.111.8.102|131.111.8.102]] ([[User talk:131.111.8.102|talk]]) 23:20, 9 June 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


In the archive, some anon dismissed Maynard Solomon's tract on Ives - which is ridiculous. There now have been at least two recent biographies that mostly support his findings. The newest book is just now being issued and definitely needs to have some of the authors' (plural) material incorporated. Ives took the beginning dates of his compositions as the date of the final work rather than the many revisions that took place over the years, well after some European composers had issued their modernist works. This doesn't denigrate the quality of the work, but it does show that the Ives-the-American-who-got-there-first is just a fiction. Ives is not one of my favorite composers so my interest in this is just passing, but the article needs work. [[User:HammerFilmFan|HammerFilmFan]] ([[User talk:HammerFilmFan|talk]]) 21:30, 3 August 2014 (UTC)
== State of the article ==
:''Charles Ives Reconsidered'', by Gayle Sherwood Magee. U. of Illinois Press, 2008., Elliot Carter's views on Ives, and of course, the Maynard Solomon piece all need to be worked in.[[User:HammerFilmFan|HammerFilmFan]] ([[User talk:HammerFilmFan|talk]]) 21:33, 3 August 2014 (UTC)


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This article looks to me like a candidate for some significant cleanup. It needs overall reorganization, a large number of sentences have rather clunky structure with useless words abounding, and the overall feel is pretty amateurish. I will do what I can but I encourage you to help out too! --[[User:Wspencer11|Wspencer11]] [[User talk:Wspencer11|(talk to me...)]] 19:00, 6 July 2007 (UTC)


:Please see the page about [[WP:BOLD|being bold]], & also the pages about Wikipedia's [[WP:5P|five pillars]] and [[WP:PG|policies & guidelines]]. [[User:Peaceray|Peaceray]] ([[User talk:Peaceray|talk]]) 03:45, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
:I have attempted to address the clunky sentence structure in the first part of the 'Early Music' section. The 'two pillars' part was a bit vague and I didn't know if it included his father or the 'two pillars' of outdoor music and instrumentation-so I just replaced it with 'interests' and hope it flows better. --[[User:Godfinger|Godfinger]] 11:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


== Sentence about Ives's chamber music contains a non sequitur ==
:I've tried improving a few other sentences too, which I feel needed improving to avoid the amateurish tone. It is easy to get carried away so I'll leave it for now as I don't want to mess anything up if it is getting any where close to featured article status. But I still think there is a lot of stylistic problems with parts of the article. --[[User:Godfinger|Godfinger]] 14:58, 21 August 2007 (UTC)


This sentence --
== For me, this seems a bit unclear ==
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His works have dissonance, which comes from untrained voices singing a hymn together: some voices straining and sharpening the pitch, others just missing and flattening the pitch, creating a cluster of tones instead of a single tone.
<unquote>


"He composed two string quartets and other works of chamber music, though he is now best known for his instrumental music."
I think I know what you are saying, but it sounds like "dissonance comes from untrained voices..." etc. I think that perhaps you mean that Ives creates the image of "untrained voices, missing pitches, etc" by using dissonance and other things (cluster tones, polytonality, etc.)


-- doesn't make sense, because chamber music is by definition instrumental music. Does the sentence mean to say "orchestral music" instead? That would make both more semantic and critical sense.
Anyway, I don't mean to take away from such a great article, just to say that for me this was unclear. It seems as if the article is defining dissonance, and that isn't what dissonance is. Just my opinion. Ditto BTW on Polyrythm.
Thanks! --[[Special:Contributions/83.145.228.42|83.145.228.42]] ([[User talk:83.145.228.42|talk]]) 22:22, 8 February 2008 (UTC)


[[User:Tdavey|Tdavey]] ([[User talk:Tdavey|talk]]) 00:07, 4 February 2015 (UTC)
:: yeah i don't think discussing the origins of ives' compositional devices in hymn-culture belongs in the introduction anyway (see [[Wikipedia:Guide_to_writing_better_articles#Lead_section|WP:BETTER]]), and is probably [[WP:OR|original research]]. [[Special:Contributions/70.49.253.29|70.49.253.29]] ([[User talk:70.49.253.29|talk]]) 23:04, 1 March 2008 (UTC)


== External links modified ==
It's not original research perse - it is true to an extent that his experiences with choral music influenced his experimental thought and this has been commented on many times. However ths is not the only place where is 'comes from', so the information as writ is not correct. The wording of that section is appalling, and I agree that this is not really information that should go in the introduction. If someone wants to paraphrase this in a less clmusy way in a later section of the article (making it clear that there were many other influences on his poltonality, polyrythms and dissonance), then that would be great. If not, I will do it in about 1 weeks time, to allow enough people to comment on this. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.149.54.164|86.149.54.164]] ([[User talk:86.149.54.164|talk]]) 00:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->


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:Everywhere Ives is taught, discussed or critiqued, he's assigned contemporary music status. I would never question his inclusion in that project. [[User:Binksternet|Binksternet]] ([[User talk:Binksternet|talk]]) 19:32, 15 February 2009 (UTC)


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I have removed the stamp image [[:File:1997 Charles Ives stamp.jpg]] because it a non-free image of a stamp that fails [[WP:NFC#Images]] which clearly states: ''"Stamps and currency: For identification of the stamp or currency, not its subject''', which was the use here, so it may not be used in this article. This use is improper and must be removed. If you disagree you may want to familiarise yourself with the following: [[WP:NFCC#3a]], [[WP:NFCC#8]], [[WP:NFC#Images]], and [[User:BKNFCC/FAQ|this FAQ]] to better understand the issues. Sorry. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] ([[User talk:Ww2censor|talk]]) 04:11, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
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== Aleatoric Elements? ==


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I have become a recent admirer of Ives. In the beginning of this article, it is said some of his works contained "aleatoric elements." Reading both this article and the one on aleatoric music, I have found no specific mention of how Ives incorporated aleatory into any of his music. Nor was any available on the internet, as far as my searches could prove, and being a novice to his works I could not inform myself. Could anyone tell me how Ives implemented chance in any of his music? If not, I suggest mentions of it be removed. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Chakibi|Chakibi]] ([[User talk:Chakibi|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Chakibi|contribs]]) 01:42, 25 October 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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Former featured articleCharles Ives is a former featured article. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page (for older articles, check the nomination archive) and why it was removed.
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Possessive's rule[edit]

According to MOS:POSS, it should be done the way it's pronounced. I've never heard it pronounced Ives's (Ivezez) but rather simply Ives' (Ivez). If I'm mistaken, please undo the two changes I've made. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 21:11, 15 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

NPOV[edit]

"All these effects are combined to create one of the towering masterworks of 20th century piano literature—an unprecedented masterpiece of American music."

"Perhaps the most remarkable piece of orchestral music Ives completed was his Fourth Symphony (1910–16). The list of forces required to perform the work alone is extraordinary."

Sounds like this article was pulled from the back of Charles Ives CDs. The whole thing should probably be scrubbed of disgustingly adulatory prose. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.173.225.241 (talk) 06:01, 3 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree. Vonbontee (talk) 07:19, 9 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

This article is not in line with modern scholarship on Ives!![edit]

In the archive, some anon dismissed Maynard Solomon's tract on Ives - which is ridiculous. There now have been at least two recent biographies that mostly support his findings. The newest book is just now being issued and definitely needs to have some of the authors' (plural) material incorporated. Ives took the beginning dates of his compositions as the date of the final work rather than the many revisions that took place over the years, well after some European composers had issued their modernist works. This doesn't denigrate the quality of the work, but it does show that the Ives-the-American-who-got-there-first is just a fiction. Ives is not one of my favorite composers so my interest in this is just passing, but the article needs work. HammerFilmFan (talk) 21:30, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Ives Reconsidered, by Gayle Sherwood Magee. U. of Illinois Press, 2008., Elliot Carter's views on Ives, and of course, the Maynard Solomon piece all need to be worked in.HammerFilmFan (talk) 21:33, 3 August 2014 (UTC)[reply]

BUMP!! HEY! Folks - it is time to get with the program on this!!!! This was noted six years ago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.82.249.6 (talk) 11:32, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the page about being bold, & also the pages about Wikipedia's five pillars and policies & guidelines. Peaceray (talk) 03:45, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sentence about Ives's chamber music contains a non sequitur[edit]

This sentence --

"He composed two string quartets and other works of chamber music, though he is now best known for his instrumental music."

-- doesn't make sense, because chamber music is by definition instrumental music. Does the sentence mean to say "orchestral music" instead? That would make both more semantic and critical sense.

Tdavey (talk) 00:07, 4 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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