Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zerg

Zerg

Zerg (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)

This overlong article about fictional race has no independent references to demonstrate notability per WP:Fiction and as a result reads like a WP:POV fork from the computer game Starcraft, from which it is featured. --Gavin Collins 09:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• Redirect to StarCraft. Notability is the issue here, not WP:POV. MartinDK 11:02, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - You can't delete Zerg! I don't even like the game but I know a noteable topic when I see it! From our own article on Rush (computer and video games)

In real-time strategy (RTS) and team-based first-person shooter (FPS) computer games, a rush is a fast attack at the beginning of the game. In this context, it is also known as swarming, goblin tactics or Zerging,

Just because an article does not have any references is no reason to delete it - if sources cannot be found, then yes it can be put up for deletion... Don't put it for an AfD - Find Some Sources for it instead! Also, Starcraft is too big as it is. Leave the article where it stands. - Fosnez 11:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• • Comment Notability is not inherited. Also, it is written from an in-universe perspective which is bad. Anyone can nominate an article for deletion, you can't tell someone that they should find sources instead. The onus is on the creators of the article to state their sources and assert notability per the appropriate guideline. Also, I said Redirect not merge. There is nothing of value to merge so the size of the main article doesn't matter. MartinDK 11:13, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Comment anyone can find sources for an article - thats the point of wikipedia. I agree the the article needs a rewrite - but again I will say it... rewrite it! don't delete it.. from what I can see from a lot of these deletions (and I'm not attaching you here Gavin or MartinDK) they are from editors that either don't have the time or don't care enough about the subject to fix it. If you don't have enough time to fix it then you shouldn't have enough time to delete it! Here some basic fact that I have thrown together:

Number of article edits: approximately 500 non trival

Number of link to Zerg: about 40 (not including user or redirects)

Number of google hits: almost 1,500,000

Number of Google Scholar hits for zerg starcraft: about 20 - some look quite interesting, but you have to pay for them. - Fosnez 11:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• • • One final comment - WP:FICTION says that articles should try to be kept, otherwise merged, or transwikied and finially put up for deletion if non of the above can be done. Having looked through the edit history, I can't see a request for a merge? Fosnez 12:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• Redirect / merge content The Zerg are kind of popular in modern (mostly internet) culture. However, they don't need an article. I suggest enhancing the StarCraft article with all relevant information found here. Or, seing as other races from the game have an article, create a page Species in StarCraft (or similar) and collect the information on the different races there. ~ | twsx | ^talk_cont | 11:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• Comment looking at the 3 entries in Category:Blizzard_Entertainment_characters; there is no conformity on how the other 2 Articles handle this sort of thing. One goes with a "List of..." the other with seperate Articles. Making a "Formal Decision" on this article could have a future effect on 1 of the other 2 Articles. Exit2DOS2000^•T•C• 12:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• Keep (use page names to Redirect to StarCraft if deleted): WP:FICTION states that all other options should be exhausted before deletion. All other options have not been exhausted. As with the Protoss, and the Terrans I have rewrites on the way. I was going to work on locations and mapping next, but these nominations have pushed species up the priorities list. If I didn't have any rewrites planned, I'd join in supporting deleting this - the current version is awfully in-universe and lacks any real-world information. However, just like I said in the Protoss AfD, deletion of this version of this article doesn't really matter to me - the rewrites will be completely different, written from an out-of-universe perspective with minimal plot details (the Characters of StarCraft article and the main game articles do that sufficiently) and contain information on development, notable gameplay aspects, critical reception, cultural impact all referenced from reliable sources. When moved out, they will comply with notability guidelines and so forth, so it doesn't really matter what happens to this version of the article. Certainly do not merge into StarCraft in the meantime - that will probably make a mess of the article, damaging it's FA status. -- Sabre 13:58, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

• Redirect per WP:NOTINHERITED Percy Snoodle 14:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Game-related-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 14:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
• Weak keep - WP:NOTINHERITED also tells us that the creation of sub-articles, while not implying an "inherited notability" per se, can be acceptable for practical reasons. As the whole game is constructed around three different races and also game reviews seem to look at them in turn, this would IMO be such a case.--Tikiwont 15:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep The Starcraft universe is massively popular, and an article on one of it's key components isn't cruft and it is worthwhile. But like the Protoss article it needs some work. JMalky 16:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
• keep Now this is just getting silly. Artw 17:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep. Zerg aren't notable? I've never played the game, have no interest in playing the game, am not a big gamer, and yet I still know all about them just from general conversation with friends. Bryan Derksen 23:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete the entire article is in game content with no real outside notability established....this is game guide level content Corpx 04:29, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep: Finding references to substantiate this article is not difficult at all. A much more effective use of time would be to apply some copy editing and citations to the article and improve the content that way. dr.ef.tymac 10:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
• Delete - as per User:Corpx - fchd 19:50, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep - confident it can be rewritten into proper form. David Fuchs ^(talk) 20:46, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
• Keep It is notable enough. Its close association with StarCraft makes it plenty notable enough for inclusion. Captain panda 02:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
  • Comment Not really. WP:NOTINHERITED. None of these keep votes have anything to do with policy or guidelines. I don't mean to bite you but please try to refer to something we can actually discuss (policy, guidelines) rather than spam the AfD with WP:ILIKEIT votes. MartinDK 06:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Responce From WP:NOTINHERITED Notability of a parent entity does not always imply the notability of the subordinate entities. That's not to say that the subordinate topic cannot be mentioned in the encyclopedia and also, Often, sub-articles are created for formatting and display purposes [and] often accepted in the context of ease of formatting and navigation. Combining all the "non noteable" articles relating to starcraft into one would make it an extreamly long and cumberson article. Now for some policy, which directly relates to this. If any rule prevents you from working with others to improve or maintain Wikipedia, ignore it. - - Fosnez 07:31, 7 September 2007 (UTC)