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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The current content does not justify a distinct category. The category's sole member is miscategorised: the subject of the article is a real novel/play/film, not a fictional tea house, and is already otherwise categorised. – '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])</sup> 02:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC) |
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The current content does not justify a distinct category. The category's sole member is miscategorised: the subject of the article is a real novel/play/film, not a fictional tea house, and is already otherwise categorised. – '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])</sup> 02:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' (I created the article and I no longer believe it deserves its own page) --[[User:Wayland|wayland]] 23:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Delete''' (I created the article and I no longer believe it deserves its own page) --[[User:Wayland|wayland]] 23:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete.''' Agreed that an article about a play doesn't need to be characterized by the words in the title.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 04:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC) |
*'''Delete.''' Agreed that an article about a play doesn't need to be characterized by the words in the title.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 04:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC) |
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Revision as of 14:59, 25 October 2007
October 19
Category:Prussian people
- Suggest merging Category:Prussian people to Category:People from Prussia
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories, and the 2nd one (People from Prussia) seems to have been decided on in a previous debate over where to merge the "German natives of [foo]" categories into. It's also a bit more neutral because it's often contentious whether someone who lived in the former Prussia was "Prussian" as a nationality, but whether they were from the territory of the state of Prussia is merely a fact. Delirium 23:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment The category could solely include Old Prussians, but the only biographical articles of that group that I am aware of are the leaders at Template:Prussian leaders. Olessi 21:44, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. // FrankB 04:16, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Support. But beware, Category:People from Prussia has many subcategories. -- Matthead discuß! O 19:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:Largo di Torre Argentina
Category:Fictional visitor centers
- Category:Fictional visitor centers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: The current content does not justify a distinct category and the category's sole member is already categorised in Category:Jurassic Park. In general, it's unlikely that a visitor center that exists solely in a work of fiction will be notable. – Black Falcon (Talk) 20:42, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete this is a step too far. OCAT. Fictional restrooms next? A great scene from Jurassic Park also. Carlossuarez46 02:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Doczilla 05:25, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 18:07, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 06:08, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
- Merge into Category:Fictional carnivals and amusement parks per recommendations of mine in other nominations. It's got to go somewhere in the "Fictional (X)" tree. (This category isn't tagged, by the way.)---Mike Selinker 04:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
- I've tagged it now; I notified you of the nomination on 19 October but apparently forgot to tag the category. – Black Falcon (Talk) 04:47, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:Universal Century space colonies
- Propose merging Category:Universal Century space colonies into (see below)
- Nominator's rationale: The intersection seems to be too narrow to justify a distinct category. So, upmerge this category (2 articles) into Category:Fictional colonies (4 articles) and Category:Universal Century locations (2 articles), and perhaps even Category:Gundam space vessels (1 article). – Black Falcon (Talk) 19:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Rename to category: Gundam anime metaseries or other master category of the series,
Unexpected use of template {{1}} - see Template:1 for details.and consolidate all three (Delete).
There is no reason they need broken out by type in a fictional milieu. One cat will do unless there are tens of a given type. // FrankB 04:13, 21 October 2007 (UTC)- comment as each sub-universe involves a new fictional universe with different fictional histories, but some common themes, merging all into one would be unwieldy. They also do not interlink, or inter-reference between universes. (ie. each timeline is a reimagining, or more extreme sort of unrelated reuse of some elements, of the concept) 132.205.99.122 18:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
- Support nomination.--Mike Selinker 16:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:Fictional bridges
Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of Missouri
- Propose renaming Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of Missouri to Category:Judges of the Supreme Court of Missouri
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, The court's website [1] and the Missouri Constitution [2] both indicate that the judges are called "judges" and only the chief is a "Justice". I suspect some of the other state cats here may be similarly misttitled. chaser - t 19:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Supreme Court of Missouri judges
to Category:Missouri Supreme Court judges, convention of the parent category. – Black Falcon (Talk) 19:43, 19 October 2007 (UTC)- Is Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(categories)#Political_office-holders not a better guide to convention here?--chaser - t 20:15, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Actually, upon further examination, I dislike the "Category:(US State) Supreme Court (members' title)" format and prefer the format "Category:(title of the Court) (members' title)". Thus, I support renaming to Category:Supreme Court of Missouri judges. My second preference is "Category:(members' title) of the (title of the Court)" (i.e. Category:Judges of the Supreme Court of Missouri). As for your comment, it's not clear whether that convention applies to judges, since virtually none of the subcategories of Category:American judges follow it. Then again, that may just be a sign that the category tree needs an overhaul. – Black Falcon (Talk) 20:39, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Is Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(categories)#Political_office-holders not a better guide to convention here?--chaser - t 20:15, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment--I rule this is a clear cut case of WP:IAR!
- Rename -- Justices to Judges for sure, prefer Category:Supreme Court of Missouri judges... but I had to flip a coin. // FrankB 04:06, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:County roads
Category:People from Westphalia
- Propose renaming Category:People from Westphalia to Category:People from the Province of Westphalia
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, Westphalia is a German region without exact borders, while the Province of Westphalia (the target of the category) was a specific administrative unit. Olessi 18:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete for now. This should be taken up with a larger discussion of how to classify people from geographical/administrative units whose borders have changed. For now, it seems that the people in this category were born while there was such a place, although one was a toddler when it went away. This province for a while was controlled by larger entities Prussia notably, so these people are similarly "from Prussia". Ultimately, I don't think these are all that useful in the context of Germany where borders shifted and one could be "from" many different entities and never leave home - also using transitory geography for "from" categories can lead to POV issues - as anyone of these people in this category who was alive in 1933-45 could also be "from Nazi Germany" a category we probably don't need created. Carlossuarez46 02:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Disagree thouroughly with Carlossuarez46 on this, as a place does not go away—it would violate conservation laws! As a former historical region or entity, there are quite a few articles citing the history of such places, — and notable people from that time frame have biographies. Deleting the category would break precedent with a lot of organization of historical articles extant today.
Unexpected use of template {{1}} - see Template:1 for details.Renaming to match the main article for the category is quite precedented and safe however. //FrankB 03:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC) - Comment Regarding Carlossuarez46's comment about Prussia, the category is already a subcategory of Category:People from Prussia. For those seeking information about people from the modern geographic region, it is also a subcategory of Category:People from North Rhine-Westphalia. Olessi 21:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Support. Hopefully all this renaming and stuff is settled soon. -- Matthead discuß! O 19:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:Mazovia
- Propose renaming Category:Mazovia to Category:Masovia
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, Masovia is the most common spelling for the territory on the English Wikipedia. Olessi 18:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Rename. Articles about the region (Masovia and Duchy of Masovia) use the spelling with s, not with z. Tankred 01:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
- redirect per nom's name. Hard redirects have been working since March or so, and adding a
{{Category redirect|newname}}
on same line as the various {R from ....} tags allow RobotG or other BOTs to make fixups. Three or four of us worked this out months before summer—including RobertG, I'd have thought it'd have found its way into SOP by now. (ask, I'll dig up the thread) // FrankB 03:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:Disamiguation-Class Continental philosophy articles
- Propose renaming Category:Disamiguation-Class Continental philosophy articles to Category:Disambiguation-Class Continental philosophy articles
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, Typographical error. And there are about 20 other categories with the same error. Can they all be cleaned up? They are all subcategories of Category:Disamb-Class articles. —Markles 17:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Speedy rename as obvious typographical error. Yes, the rest can be cleaned up, but (unless the closing admin feels like putting in some unpaid overtime) they will needed to be listed at the "speedy" section of CFD. BencherliteTalk 00:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:Radio stations in Philadelphia
- Category:Radio stations in Philadelphia - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: over categorization. Philadelphia FM and Philadelphia AM navboxes provide listings of stations in this market and are far more useful than categorization such as this. Rtphokie 16:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment - there are a number of city-based subcats for various states, including a few more for Pennsylvania. Are you suggesting that all radio station by city categories should be deleted? Otto4711 17:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Sure, they should all be deleted. Lists of radio stations by state are being actively maintained and categorized, these city and market based categories aren't and they are incomplete as a result--Rtphokie 21:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep - Categories and templates aren't mutually exclusive. It is the current standard for radio stations to be present in a singular geographic category, which is city-specific in large metropolitan areas (not per policy but by precedent). These categories prove to be especially important in radio station-intensive states such as Texas and California. As there are 50+ stations currently residing in this category, Philadelphia is clearly a radio station-intensive area. JPG-GR 08:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
- Keep per JPG-GR and fact that stations go out of business, but will still have historic articles; admittedly they could be grouped in a "out of business" cat of some sort, that would be over-categorizing, as the station call letters are held off the "market" for a long while by the FCC, hence, the template and cat serve different collection purposes. Buying the noms argument is a dangerous precedent, imho. Templates link —categories classify, albeit with linking. // FrankB 03:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:TSSAA Member School
- Category:TSSAA Member School (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Rename to Category:Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association members, or Delete as non-defining. -- Prove It (talk) 16:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Rename or delete. Since essentially all secondary schools in the state are members of TSSAA, the category is non-defining and I see no particular value in having it.--Orlady 21:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per Orlady. Clearly no need to list every school in two categories. Vegaswikian 00:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:Characters Portrayed by Leslie Nielsen
Category:People from Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania
Category:Republic of Ireland political parties
- Propose renaming Category:Republic of Ireland political parties to Category:Political parties in the Republic of Ireland
- Nominator's rationale: Rename, per convention of Category:Political parties by country. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Rename per nom's precise and accurate explanation. BencherliteTalk 00:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment. Should this perhaps be merged into Category:Political parties in Ireland? I know that Ireland can refer to the entire island (inclusive of Northern Ireland), but I'm not sure if that's the case here. – Black Falcon (Talk) 02:08, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Springs in the United States
Category:Japanese hot springs
Category:Philippine Museums
Category:Cavite Actors and Actresses
- Category:Cavite Actors and Actresses (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Upmerge into both Category:Filipino actors and Category:People from Cavite, or at least Rename to Category:Cavite actors. -- Prove It (talk) 12:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Upmerge into both parents per nom. – Black Falcon (Talk) 19:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Leaning towards Rename per nom to Category:Cavite actors. It seems like a reasonable subcategory to both its parent categories, if renamed per WP style. Filipino actors category is pretty large, and a regional subcat seems reasonable on the face of it. (We have Category:American actors by state, for comparison.) Similarly, Category:Cavite people would have 22 articles if it were upmerged, but they all fall into either actors or politicians, so it seems reasonable to have two professional cats. --lquilter 12:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:Doctor Strange
Category:Fictional parks
Category:Fawlty Towers
- Category:Fawlty Towers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Eponymous overcategorisation for a television series. Per precedent, eponymous TV categories are not needed when they include only 'characters' and 'episodes' subcategories, the main article, a list of episodes, a list of characters/cast members, and a navigational template. The articles are more than adequately interlinked by the template alone. The other two members are either already otherwise categorised (Fawlty Towers (hotel) appears in Category:Fictional hotels and is linked via Template:Fawltytowers) or miscategorised (Wooburn Grange Country Club is a real location where the series was filmed, so placing it in this category is overcategorisation of the form 'location by performance'). – Black Falcon (Talk) 03:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom & ample precedent. Carlossuarez46 02:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 18:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:Fictional gas stations
- Category:Fictional gas stations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: The current content does not justify a distinct category. The category's sole member (Corner Gas) is actually miscategorised; the subject of the article is a real television sitcom, not a fictional gas station, and is already otherwise categorised. In general, it's unlikely that a gas station that exists solely in a work of fiction will be notable, especially since real-life gas stations only rarely are. – Black Falcon (Talk) 03:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom--victor falk 04:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete - such stations achieve fame through a book, film, TV series, etc., not as independent entities. --Orange Mike 19:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per good grief this is ridiculous. Doczilla 00:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 02:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. // FrankB 03:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 18:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete. Sure, that one makes sense.--Mike Selinker 04:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:Wacky Races
- Category:Wacky Races - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Delete - this is an animated version of performer by performance overcategorization. Otto4711 03:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom & ample precedent. Carlossuarez46 02:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 18:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:Planets located at the center of the universe
- Propose merging Category:Planets located at the center of the universe into Category:Fictional planets
- Nominator's rationale: I don't think that we should categorise on the basis of claimed location at the centre of the universe. Different works of fiction have different conceptions of the universe and space-time, and sometimes even assume the existence of multiple universes. If kept, rename to Category:Fictional planets located at the center of the universe, to clarify that these are planets that exist solely in works of fiction, or something similar (is there a phrase that succinctly captures the meaning of the phrase 'located at the center of the universe'?). – Black Falcon (Talk) 03:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom--victor falk 04:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Merge - Considering that there is no such thing as the "center of the universe", if we were to keep this category it would have to be renamed to something like Category:Fictional planets located at the supposed center of the universe. Besides, there are only 3 articles about such imaginary planets, so it doesn't pass the size test either. Cgingold 12:18, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Carlossuarez46 02:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Merge, per nom. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 18:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Comment if kept, this should be renamed Category:Fictional centers of the universe or Category:Fictional locations representing the center of the universe. 132.205.99.122 19:06, 22 October 2007 (UTC)
- Merge into Category:Fictional planets, and add as an item in WP:DAFT. --Orlady 01:34, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:Llewdor
- Category:Llewdor (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Eponymous overcategorisation for a fictional country; the two members are adequately interlinked. – Black Falcon (Talk) 02:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 02:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. // FrankB 03:15, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Delete, per nom. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 18:05, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Merge into Category:King's Quest locations, newly created for this and other articles.--Mike Selinker 04:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:Fictional tea houses
Category:Magic Schools
- Propose renaming Category:Magic Schools to Category:Fictional magic schools
- Nominator's rationale: I think that there may be value in preserving a distinction between fictional 'magic' schools and other types of fictional schools, the category title needs to make clear that this is about schools that exists only inside works of fiction. The current title includes real places that teach magic (illusion) as well as those that claim to teach magic (paranormal). – Black Falcon (Talk) 02:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Rename, per nom -- could be a category for schools of magic that teach escapes and card tricks, et al. // FrankB 03:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
- Rename. Very logical.--Mike Selinker 04:49, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Category:Samurai Jack
- Propose renaming Category:Samurai Jack to Category:Samurai Jack episodes
- Nominator's rationale: Rename - all but two of the 50+ articles are for episodes. Rename to reflect that and relocate the two non-episode articles. Otto4711 01:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- Relocate Samurai Jack and List of characters from Samurai Jack and rename to Category:Samurai Jack episodes per nom. – Black Falcon (Talk) 02:44, 19 October 2007 (UTC)