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The result of the debate was {{{1|}}} '''delete'''. [[User:Kbdank71|Kbdank71]] 14:59, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

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:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The current content does not justify a distinct category. The category's sole member is miscategorised: the subject of the article is a real novel/play/film, not a fictional tea house, and is already otherwise categorised. – '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])</sup> 02:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
:'''Nominator's rationale:''' The current content does not justify a distinct category. The category's sole member is miscategorised: the subject of the article is a real novel/play/film, not a fictional tea house, and is already otherwise categorised. – '''[[User:Black Falcon|Black Falcon]]''' <sup>([[User talk:Black Falcon|Talk]])</sup> 02:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
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*'''Delete''' (I created the article and I no longer believe it deserves its own page) --[[User:Wayland|wayland]] 23:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete''' (I created the article and I no longer believe it deserves its own page) --[[User:Wayland|wayland]] 23:42, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' Agreed that an article about a play doesn't need to be characterized by the words in the title.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 04:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
*'''Delete.''' Agreed that an article about a play doesn't need to be characterized by the words in the title.--[[User:Mike Selinker|Mike Selinker]] 04:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

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Revision as of 14:59, 25 October 2007

October 19

Category:Prussian people

Suggest merging Category:Prussian people to Category:People from Prussia
Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories, and the 2nd one (People from Prussia) seems to have been decided on in a previous debate over where to merge the "German natives of [foo]" categories into. It's also a bit more neutral because it's often contentious whether someone who lived in the former Prussia was "Prussian" as a nationality, but whether they were from the territory of the state of Prussia is merely a fact. Delirium 23:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Largo di Torre Argentina

Category:Fictional visitor centers

Category:Fictional visitor centers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: The current content does not justify a distinct category and the category's sole member is already categorised in Category:Jurassic Park. In general, it's unlikely that a visitor center that exists solely in a work of fiction will be notable. – Black Falcon (Talk) 20:42, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Universal Century space colonies

Propose merging Category:Universal Century space colonies into (see below)
Nominator's rationale: The intersection seems to be too narrow to justify a distinct category. So, upmerge this category (2 articles) into Category:Fictional colonies (4 articles) and Category:Universal Century locations (2 articles), and perhaps even Category:Gundam space vessels (1 article). – Black Falcon (Talk) 19:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename to category: Gundam anime metaseries or other master category of the series,
    Unexpected use of template {{1}} - see Template:1 for details.and consolidate all three (Delete).
    There is no reason they need broken out by type in a fictional milieu. One cat will do unless there are tens of a given type. // FrankB 04:13, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • comment as each sub-universe involves a new fictional universe with different fictional histories, but some common themes, merging all into one would be unwieldy. They also do not interlink, or inter-reference between universes. (ie. each timeline is a reimagining, or more extreme sort of unrelated reuse of some elements, of the concept) 132.205.99.122 18:44, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support nomination.--Mike Selinker 16:17, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional bridges

Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of Missouri

Propose renaming Category:Justices of the Supreme Court of Missouri to Category:Judges of the Supreme Court of Missouri
Nominator's rationale: Rename, The court's website [1] and the Missouri Constitution [2] both indicate that the judges are called "judges" and only the chief is a "Justice". I suspect some of the other state cats here may be similarly misttitled. chaser - t 19:13, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:County roads

Category:People from Westphalia

Propose renaming Category:People from Westphalia to Category:People from the Province of Westphalia
Nominator's rationale: Rename, Westphalia is a German region without exact borders, while the Province of Westphalia (the target of the category) was a specific administrative unit. Olessi 18:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now. This should be taken up with a larger discussion of how to classify people from geographical/administrative units whose borders have changed. For now, it seems that the people in this category were born while there was such a place, although one was a toddler when it went away. This province for a while was controlled by larger entities Prussia notably, so these people are similarly "from Prussia". Ultimately, I don't think these are all that useful in the context of Germany where borders shifted and one could be "from" many different entities and never leave home - also using transitory geography for "from" categories can lead to POV issues - as anyone of these people in this category who was alive in 1933-45 could also be "from Nazi Germany" a category we probably don't need created. Carlossuarez46 02:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename per nom. Disagree thouroughly with Carlossuarez46 on this, as a place does not go away—it would violate conservation laws! As a former historical region or entity, there are quite a few articles citing the history of such places, — and notable people from that time frame have biographies. Deleting the category would break precedent with a lot of organization of historical articles extant today.
Unexpected use of template {{1}} - see Template:1 for details.Renaming to match the main article for the category is quite precedented and safe however. //FrankB 03:55, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Regarding Carlossuarez46's comment about Prussia, the category is already a subcategory of Category:People from Prussia. For those seeking information about people from the modern geographic region, it is also a subcategory of Category:People from North Rhine-Westphalia. Olessi 21:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Hopefully all this renaming and stuff is settled soon. -- Matthead discuß!     O       19:39, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mazovia

Propose renaming Category:Mazovia to Category:Masovia
Nominator's rationale: Rename, Masovia is the most common spelling for the territory on the English Wikipedia. Olessi 18:01, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename. Articles about the region (Masovia and Duchy of Masovia) use the spelling with s, not with z. Tankred 01:05, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • redirect per nom's name. Hard redirects have been working since March or so, and adding a {{Category redirect|newname}} on same line as the various {R from ....} tags allow RobotG or other BOTs to make fixups. Three or four of us worked this out months before summer—including RobertG, I'd have thought it'd have found its way into SOP by now. (ask, I'll dig up the thread) // FrankB 03:48, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Disamiguation-Class Continental philosophy articles

Propose renaming Category:Disamiguation-Class Continental philosophy articles to Category:Disambiguation-Class Continental philosophy articles
Nominator's rationale: Rename, Typographical error. And there are about 20 other categories with the same error. Can they all be cleaned up? They are all subcategories of Category:Disamb-Class articles. —Markles 17:18, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy rename as obvious typographical error. Yes, the rest can be cleaned up, but (unless the closing admin feels like putting in some unpaid overtime) they will needed to be listed at the "speedy" section of CFD. BencherliteTalk 00:37, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Radio stations in Philadelphia

Category:Radio stations in Philadelphia‎ - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: over categorization. Philadelphia FM and Philadelphia AM navboxes provide listings of stations in this market and are far more useful than categorization such as this. Rtphokie 16:40, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - there are a number of city-based subcats for various states, including a few more for Pennsylvania. Are you suggesting that all radio station by city categories should be deleted? Otto4711 17:09, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sure, they should all be deleted. Lists of radio stations by state are being actively maintained and categorized, these city and market based categories aren't and they are incomplete as a result--Rtphokie 21:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Categories and templates aren't mutually exclusive. It is the current standard for radio stations to be present in a singular geographic category, which is city-specific in large metropolitan areas (not per policy but by precedent). These categories prove to be especially important in radio station-intensive states such as Texas and California. As there are 50+ stations currently residing in this category, Philadelphia is clearly a radio station-intensive area. JPG-GR 08:25, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per JPG-GR and fact that stations go out of business, but will still have historic articles; admittedly they could be grouped in a "out of business" cat of some sort, that would be over-categorizing, as the station call letters are held off the "market" for a long while by the FCC, hence, the template and cat serve different collection purposes. Buying the noms argument is a dangerous precedent, imho. Templates link —categories classify, albeit with linking. // FrankB 03:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:TSSAA Member School

Category:TSSAA Member School (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Rename to Category:Tennessee Secondary School Athletic Association members, or Delete as non-defining. -- Prove It (talk) 16:33, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rename or delete. Since essentially all secondary schools in the state are members of TSSAA, the category is non-defining and I see no particular value in having it.--Orlady 21:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Orlady. Clearly no need to list every school in two categories. Vegaswikian 00:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Characters Portrayed by Leslie Nielsen

Category:People from Wilkes Barre, Pennsylvania

Category:Republic of Ireland political parties

Propose renaming Category:Republic of Ireland political parties to Category:Political parties in the Republic of Ireland
Nominator's rationale: Rename, per convention of Category:Political parties by country. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Springs in the United States

Category:Japanese hot springs

Category:Philippine Museums

Category:Cavite Actors and Actresses

Category:Cavite Actors and Actresses (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Upmerge into both Category:Filipino actors and Category:People from Cavite, or at least Rename to Category:Cavite actors. -- Prove It (talk) 12:47, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Upmerge into both parents per nom. – Black Falcon (Talk) 19:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leaning towards Rename per nom to Category:Cavite actors. It seems like a reasonable subcategory to both its parent categories, if renamed per WP style. Filipino actors category is pretty large, and a regional subcat seems reasonable on the face of it. (We have Category:American actors by state, for comparison.) Similarly, Category:Cavite people would have 22 articles if it were upmerged, but they all fall into either actors or politicians, so it seems reasonable to have two professional cats. --lquilter 12:14, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Doctor Strange

Category:Fictional parks

Category:Fawlty Towers

Category:Fawlty Towers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous overcategorisation for a television series. Per precedent, eponymous TV categories are not needed when they include only 'characters' and 'episodes' subcategories, the main article, a list of episodes, a list of characters/cast members, and a navigational template. The articles are more than adequately interlinked by the template alone. The other two members are either already otherwise categorised (Fawlty Towers (hotel) appears in Category:Fictional hotels and is linked via Template:Fawltytowers) or miscategorised (Wooburn Grange Country Club is a real location where the series was filmed, so placing it in this category is overcategorisation of the form 'location by performance'). – Black Falcon (Talk) 03:10, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional gas stations

Category:Fictional gas stations (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: The current content does not justify a distinct category. The category's sole member (Corner Gas) is actually miscategorised; the subject of the article is a real television sitcom, not a fictional gas station, and is already otherwise categorised. In general, it's unlikely that a gas station that exists solely in a work of fiction will be notable, especially since real-life gas stations only rarely are. – Black Falcon (Talk) 03:05, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom--victor falk 04:51, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - such stations achieve fame through a book, film, TV series, etc., not as independent entities. --Orange Mike 19:23, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per good grief this is ridiculous. Doczilla 00:31, 20 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Carlossuarez46 02:43, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. // FrankB 03:14, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, per nom. Hydrogen Iodide (HI!) 18:03, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Sure, that one makes sense.--Mike Selinker 04:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wacky Races

Category:Wacky Races - Template:Lc1
Nominator's rationale: Delete - this is an animated version of performer by performance overcategorization. Otto4711 03:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Planets located at the center of the universe

Propose merging Category:Planets located at the center of the universe into Category:Fictional planets
Nominator's rationale: I don't think that we should categorise on the basis of claimed location at the centre of the universe. Different works of fiction have different conceptions of the universe and space-time, and sometimes even assume the existence of multiple universes. If kept, rename to Category:Fictional planets located at the center of the universe, to clarify that these are planets that exist solely in works of fiction, or something similar (is there a phrase that succinctly captures the meaning of the phrase 'located at the center of the universe'?). – Black Falcon (Talk) 03:00, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom--victor falk 04:45, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Llewdor

Category:Llewdor (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Nominator's rationale: Eponymous overcategorisation for a fictional country; the two members are adequately interlinked. – Black Falcon (Talk) 02:56, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional tea houses

Category:Magic Schools

Propose renaming Category:Magic Schools to Category:Fictional magic schools
Nominator's rationale: I think that there may be value in preserving a distinction between fictional 'magic' schools and other types of fictional schools, the category title needs to make clear that this is about schools that exists only inside works of fiction. The current title includes real places that teach magic (illusion) as well as those that claim to teach magic (paranormal). – Black Falcon (Talk) 02:46, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename, per nom -- could be a category for schools of magic that teach escapes and card tricks, et al. // FrankB 03:17, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Samurai Jack

Propose renaming Category:Samurai Jack to Category:Samurai Jack episodes
Nominator's rationale: Rename - all but two of the 50+ articles are for episodes. Rename to reflect that and relocate the two non-episode articles. Otto4711 01:06, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Press Gang

Cast member categories