User talk:IJzeren Jan

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Thanks! I'll do my best. In the meantime: I did know about the four tildes, but not about the three. Therefore, a little experiment. Best regards, IJzeren Jan (three tildes) / IJzeren Jan 07:40, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC) (four tildes).

Got five tildes as well: (19:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)). See? - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 19:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Hehe, I knew that! I'm a little more experienced by now! ;)) —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 19:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Bios of Ukrainian politicians

Hi. You seem to be interested in politics of Ukraine. Most articles on Ukrainian politicians are really rough "stubs". Especially, as far the biographical information is concerned. It is relatively easy to get autobiographies of all presidential candidates. However, these are in Ukrainian and I am not a particularly skilled translator. I am wondering whether you know of anyone who would be interested in doing that. Thank you. Sashazlv 06:15, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hello! Well, yes, I am indeed interested in Ukrainian politics. As a matter of fact, I am responsible for almost all entries about Ukrainian politics in the Dutch wikipedia. Now, I wouldn't mind translating my own stuff into English. The trouble is only that the time I spend working on the Dutch wiki is about all I can spare at the moment. Besides, English is not my mother tongue, not even my L2. But if you ask me if I know somebody else, I'd definitely have to say no.

Do you have any particular links available? I can handle Ukrainian quite easily (passively, at least). Maybe I can give it a shot! Thanks for the new Moroz picture, BTW. It's much better than the older one indeed. Did you take care of the copyright yourself, or is all the material on the SPU website free?

Cheers, IJzeren Jan 15:42, 8 Jan 2005 (UTC).

Hi, again. Copyright. All materials on the SPU site are free to re-publish, provided that a proper citation of the source is given. At least, that's what they say there. Technically, this means you can take the picture and even publish it somewhere for profit, subject to citing www.spu.org.ua.

I think I'll handle the autobiographies in the following way. I'll place them in the articles under the discussion tab. Hopefully, someone will find time to translate them and re-organize the material. I could do the translation myself, but right away it's too large a time investment. The bios are just very basic info required by the election law.

Best regards, Sashazlv 00:29, 9 Jan 2005 (UTC)

IB

Hi Jan...I tried to translate the IB page into German...but I've gotten myself into a bit of a snit with the Germanwiki...they're not as warm and fuzzy as the Swedish or French wiki...Eep!

Anyway. IT's fun to try and read your dutch page and your Polish page is....RIGHT OUT. :)

Have you thought about doing a Wenedyk page? :) BoLingua18:43, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Hey Dan! The German entry is gone, unfortunately, so I can't even see it. :(( The problem, as far as I understood from the discussion page, was that you used a machine translation (and we both know that machine translations are often bad, if not totally incomprehensible). If you want, send it to me privately; perhaps I can improve it somewhat!

Wenedyk page? What do you mean? A page about Wenedyk exists already! A page in Wenedyk would be troublesome, since there is no Wenedyk wikipedia to store it in.

Cheers, IJzeren Jan 17:08, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC).

I had used a machine translation...but when I posted the handwritten one they disregarded it completely. I'm going to try linking through the Alternativgeschicte page in a few. Oh well. Yeah...a Wenedyk text would be difficult, but if you write enough pages you can have a Wenedyk wiki...although i think they might require it to be a real language. :) I may just send it privately. Bo-Lingua

Strange, really strange. I'm not too active in the German wikipedia, but still I follow it with interest, and from time to time I contribute something small there. I didn't have the impression that our German colleagues are unfriendly at all! Perhaps it was just a misunderstanding? Anyway, this is how it works in the Dutch wikipedia: a page can be nominated for deletion, and then there is still two weeks time to make improvements, to discuss the page, etc. Immediate deletion takes place only when a page is pure nonsense. Things like bad knowledge of the language or shameless self-promotion ("vanity") are definitely not sufficient to have a page removed immediately.

A Wenedyk wikipedia? No, that would be a bad idea. There are several wikis in constructed languages: Esperanto, Interlingua, Ido, Occidental, Lojban and Klingon, as far as I can remember. There used to be one in Toki Pona too, but that one has recently been cancelled. I don't really know why; despite the limited number of active users that wiki was quite active. Probably it's just the fact that there will always be a large number of people who think it's all useless crap what we are doing!

Cheers, IJzeren Jan 19:30, 19 Jan 2005 (UTC).

They deleted it immediately, even though I made improvements. *sigh* I guess I'll just have to try, at a later date to link it through the alternate history page. Oh well. Bo-Lingua

Image:Mykola Azarov.jpg

This image is listed on WP:IFD because it is an orphan. Feel free to object.

No, I've no objections. The article about Mykola Azarov has another picture now, which is fine with me. So go ahead and delete it! IJzeren Jan 08:40, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Conlangs

Please see Wikipedia:Conlangs. Almafeta 14:54, 28 July 2005 (UTC)

Deleting DiLingo and Aingeljã

Re: My request to you is to restore the two pages in question, keep the VfD open in both cases, and reevaluate them once we have established some more objective notability criteria. Sorry, no. A lot of people attempt to use Wikipedia to further the goals of their personal projects; conlangers are just another special interest group among many. I am opposed to any special interest group using Wikipedia as a vehicle for their promotion. Wile E. Heresiarch 04:56, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: An administrator should take responsibility for his actions and explain them when asked. See above, and see also my remarks [1] on vfu. Apparently you're not satisfied with that. Very well; but you may wish to bear in mind that I really have no explanations any more elaborate than that. Regards, Wile E. Heresiarch 16:31, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

Sydvetlish

Oh, no problem. This is a new conlang, but is in construction... I wanted olny, show my language to the world. Well, even so, thank you. --Król 05:50, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Thank you about the hints! You was a genius!

--Król 18:39, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

New Babm entry

Re: Just curious: where does your interest in Babm come from? Sorry to take so long to get back to you; I took a break from Wikipedia editing for a bit. As far as Babm itself, I stumbled on Okamoto's little enigmatic book about 20 years ago in a university library. The language interested me in that it didn't seem to be based on European languages as others were. I haven't seen the book for many years and I can't get it; that—along with the fact that I don't know Japanese—is the reason why my entry is rather meager (although accurate, I hope). Sincerely, Scott A. Neuman 18:37, 20 August 2005 (UTC)

Latin?

Hello! I saw you listed as one of our rare users who are good at Latin. Would you be willing to help translating a bit of text from English into Latin? Let me know please. Yours, Radiant_>|< 09:51, August 24, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I don't have a lot of time at the moment. Far too much real life on my neck nowadays! But if there's no rush, yeah, sure, I'll be glad to be of assistance! Sounds like fun, actually! What kind of text is it?

Cheers, IJzeren Jan 19:28, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Ideal language

Hi there. I'm a member of the Wikipedia:WikiProject Missing encyclopedic articles. We're filling in articles which exist in the Encyclopædia Britannica, Encarta, etc, but not yet in Wikipedia. One article that we are missing is ideal language - see Britannica's article. Looking at your interests, I thought you might be the ideal person to create at least a good stub, bringing in the conlang angle - or if not, to suggest someone else who could help, given that you say above that you are busy at the moment. Are you able to help at all? --OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 15:14, August 25, 2005 (UTC)

Don't worry about this now - Arj has suggested a redirect to engineered language instead. OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 09:02, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Ah, too late! Actually, what I was going to say is this: that I thank you for your confidence, but that at the moment I really don't have the time. I was going to suggest User:Pablo-Flores or User:Jim Henry as good candidates for writing the article. To be honest, I still think that would be a better idea. Whether ideal language really warrants an encyclopedia entry I can't tell, but it surely is an interesting subject to write something about. The trouble with it is of course that "ideal language" is an extremely subjective thing. I can understand why User:Arj proposes a redirect to engineered language and I partly agree with him. But on the other hand, the context in which I have seen it used most of the time, is auxlanging in sentences like: The ideal language is very easy to learn, and therefore the vocabulary is easy to memorise, the grammar is extremely simple, and there are no irregularities. Furthermore, the language is culturally neutral, so that nobody has an advantage over anybody else. And its pronunciation is easily accessible for as many people as possible. To some, Latin would be "the ideal language", for others English. The ideal language for programming is not exactly the same as the ideal language for opera singing. In short: I think a redirect can work, but preferably in the form of a disambiguation page, where it should definitely also include international auxiliary language. You know what? Now that I think of it, a disambiguation page is not the right way to cope with this. Some short, stubby article would probably be the best solution to my mind, even though it contains mostly links. --IJzeren Jan 09:18, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for thinking about this in such detail. I'll leave it with you for now, and whenever you have the time, you can pull something stubby together to replace the redirect. I was making the (always slightly foolish) assumption that the Britannica article was reasonably comprehensive and accurate - clearly not! OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 09:34, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Really? What did the Britannica say?

Anyway, give me a few days and I'll take care of this. Cheers, IJzeren Jan 09:41, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Here is [[Britannica's attempt, on the basis of which I think the redirect to engineered language makes sense - but you're right that it's a wider topic than that. Thanks for your help, and there's absolutely no rush for any of it. OpenToppedBus - Talk to the driver 09:46, August 26, 2005 (UTC)

Your votes on Wikipedia:Conlangs/Votes

Several places you've voted more than once in the same category. What type of election do you regard this to be? Not the same as me and Arj, ergo we should discuss the rules of the election, how to score it etc. --Kaleissin 12:24:31, 2005-08-29 (UTC), who is amused by the already clear cliques: artlangers/conlangers versus the rest :)

What do you mean? If you are referring to the "sufficiently large vocabulary" question, then I did that on purpose: a vocabulary of 2,500 qualifies as a minor criterion and a vocabulary of 20,000 as a major one. That's a consequence of the way the questions are asked. Frankly, I think the questionnaire might have been a little more consistent from that point of view: in the case of number of speakers one has five different sections, in some other cases we simply have to fill in one N=?. In my opinion, in this particular case two votes (1 major, 1 minor) should be allowed.

But I won't complain. If anything, I should have done that BEFORE the vote started.

If I have votes more than once in another category (you mentioned "several places"), then please tell me where, because that's obviously a mistake then! --IJzeren Jan 12:35, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

"Has 10 speakers" in addition. I also notice you don't vote on all the criteria. Logically one might think that a major on "Has 10 speakers" for instance implies "Has 100 speakers" but this isn't stated anywhere... --Kaleissin 12:59:44, 2005-08-29 (UTC)

Ah yes, indeed! Well, it was suggested that we distinguish between auxlangs and artlangs. I can't find anything from that suggestion in the voting form, and I'd still like to make the distinction in this case. If that's not allowed, I will of course withdraw on of them. --IJzeren Jan 13:16, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

The 'sufficiently large vocabulary' is for voting on whether or not having enough vocabulary to carry on standard conversations qualifies a language, and what that target level of vocabulary is. It's not a two-tiered vote. I'll go clear that up. Almafeta 15:40, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

About deleting Lara language page

Thank you for the comment "My dear, judging the (non-/)notability of a constructed language project is one thing, ridiculising language construction is another. Please don't do that. --" in the page of voting for deletion of the page Lara language. I agree that my page should not appear on wikipedia because not notable, but maybe you know that if the work is serious (complete grammar -with a lot of revisions in many years!- and more then 7000 words) it's very hard (and exciting at the same time)! Some people told me that they prefer Lara language to Esperanto, because more easy to speak and learn, and some other who speaks Esperanto created the page about Lara on wikipedia (that no one deleted!) and I thank him for that.

So, thank you again, also for more competent comment in respect to other people in wikipedia.

Ciao Alexped 08:52, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

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Thank you so much for shifting Lara language to Conlang.Wikicities. I think it's the best thing to do and I didn't know of it; of course I created the page there if I knew before!

The Conlang.Wikicities is a great idea!

Now, can I improve the page? With a more complete explanation of the grammar? With texts in Lara language? I have also fantasy culture (history, people, philosophy, religion, dialects, etc.) constructed on the base of the language...but need some time because still only in italian available!

Finally, did you create an internal list of different conlangs in this web-site, in order to have a link to the language? (..am I asking too much? sorry...)

Still thank you for all!!! Alexped 15:12, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

My pleasure. Glad to be of service. If you have a look at the main page on conlang.wikicities, you will see a "list of conlangs" (here). And yes, you can do with the page as you please, including adding grammatical details, info about the conculture, and sample texts. Cheers, --IJzeren Jan 15:58, 30 August 2005 (UTC)

Do you irc?

I hang on #conlang at Freenode, as does several other conlangers and wikipedians. Much quicker to discuss things there. --Kaleissin 21:20:35, 2005-09-03 (UTC)

I've never done that, and to be honest, chatting is an activity I'd much rather avoid. But if you think it could be useful, then I might give it a try after all ;) . --IJzeren Jan 03:20, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

Portal:Constructed languages

Thanks for the information for the Conlang portal. As with anything on Wikipedia, you are more than welcome to edit the portal as you see fit! Again, thanks! &mdash; {{User:JonMoore/sig}} 22:08, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you for all you contributions to (and fixes of) the Conlang wikiportal. I think it is coming along quite nicely. Obviously your knowledge of the subject far outweighs mine. I've just been a dabbler in creating my own langs, and an on-again, off-again Esperantist. I believe your name is familiar to me, though. I've done a couple of the conlang translation relays, and I believe I've seen your name on the mailing list. Anyway, I appreciate the help. Cheers. &mdash; {{User:JonMoore/sig}} 18:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, that's right. According to my own list you participated in two relays, in which I participated as well. Unfortunately, you missed the relay I organised myself (the tenth), but in case you're interested: I'm still adding translations of the source text to the page. So if you'd like to try your hands with Aganean...

As for the portal: I'm very happy about it. It looks really great! I have indeed built up some expertise in the field over the years, and I am more than happy to do anything I can to help giving it the place it deserves in WP. I'm not overly active on wikipedia.en, but when it comes to conlangs I give a hand whenever I can.

There's one thing I'd like to discuss with you. What shall we do with all those red links ("requested articles")? In a few cases, I'm sure they would be a welcome addition, but at the same time I see a lot of languages and other stuff there that would never survive a VFD.

Cheers, IJzeren Jan 20:19, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, I just may take you up on the offer, and translate that text. As for the redlinks, maybe we should decide which conlangs are "notable" and get rid of the rest. Also, a WikiProject might add credibility to the cause. I believe the German Wikipedia has a current conlang Project. Let me know. &mdash; {{User:JonMoore/sig}} 22:50, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

The problem with those red links is that almost all of them are old IALs, most of them poorly documented. I don't know too much about auxlangs in general, so I think it would be best if someone more knowledgeable than me would look into that. ----IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 07:46, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Conlang template

I am working on a template for constructed languages, User:JonMoore/conlangtemplate. Currently it is under my user namespace, but I could move it to the template namespace, which is where the "Edit this template" link currently leads. I was wondering your opinions and such. It is based on the "articles" section of the conlang portal, but probably needs thinning out.

I am also considering starting a WikiProject about conlangs, and was wondering if you would participate.

&mdash; {{User:JonMoore/sig}} 21:29, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

December Language of the Month

Yes. Quenya would be a great pick for December. As to the template, yes, your version is much better, and maybe we don't need it. We shall see.

Jon 05:18, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Polish language

Just wondering: how come you know Polish so well? It's quite an uncommon language among Dutch people, is it...Halibutt 20:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! Well, it's indeed not very common for a Dutch person to know Polish. But from my earliest youth I've been fascinated with languages. I started learning Polish when I was 18. Why? Just the timing, I suppose. If I would have turned 18 one year later it might as well have been Czech, or Romanian, or something else. Anyway, Polish it became. I'm mostly an autodidact. A few years later, I studied and worked a bit in Poland, and a few more years later I became a licenced translator/interpreter. That's my story! Oh, and I've been speaking Polish with my (Jewish-Russian-Ukrainian) wife for many years, too. :)

BTW, since your mentions the PLC as your fatherland, may I recommend you to have a look at my RTC?

Best regards, --IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 10:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Conlang portal DYK section

I added a rotation for the DYK section, but I really think it doesn't need to be changed once a month, maybe once a quarter? That would make it more of a manual process. See:Portal:Constructed languages/Did you know. JonMoore 20:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I agree. But is there a way of programming that? I know how to use {{CURRENTDAY}} and {{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} and the like, but quarters?...

I suggest we wait a little. I've just added three more DYKs, and I'm sure we can bring the total up to some twenty or so. After that, it can simply rotate each month. Mind, the same DYK could of course easily appear in more than one month! —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 21:06, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I wish there was something like {{LASTMONTHNAME}} or {{NEXTMONTHNAME}}, which would make it simple... Maybe I should work on that... JonMoore 21:30, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Well, we could of course use the {{CURRENTDAYNAME}}. That would mean that we need only seven sets, but it would also mean that it rotates every day! —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 21:34, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Actually, I like that idea... Would you be against it? JonMoore 21:49, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

No, I kinda like it too! As you can see, I have added quite a few new DYKs to the list as well. It's remarkably easy: just open any article and see if there's anything interesting enough for it! :) —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 21:52, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I'm working on it now! JonMoore 22:33, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Can I be of assistance? (asking that, because it could be inconvenient if two people worked on the same thing at the same time. Edit conflicts and the like...) —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 22:53, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Sure! I did a preliminary layout at Portal_talk:Constructed_languages/Did_you_know. Please rearrange as you see fit. Also, 3 items a day would be nice... JonMoore 22:57, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, I'll look into it. And I'll see if I can produce another one or two items... —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 22:59, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Ok, yeh...and please help as much as you want! I'll look for some more items, too. JonMoore 23:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

I'm a little tired and uninspired right now, so I have substituted the remaining three (Thu#3, Fri#3 and Sat#3) with doublets. Let's replace those later... I'm going to move the stuff to the CURRENTDAY pages now. —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 23:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I have completed the transfer, and modified the Portal: from now on, it links to the day pages. In about 40 minutes, we'll see it shift from one DYK to another! :) —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 23:23, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Not sure if I'll see the change...it's only 16:34 on Thursday... As to the vandalism, I guess it shows that people are looking at our portal! JonMoore 23:37, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, indeed. That's why in a way I was pleased with the vandalism! :) Anyway, here it's 0:38 AM now, time for sleep! Cheers, —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 23:38, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

Yay, it works! —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 00:00, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Invitation to the conlang project

I created a template for an invitation to the wikiproject: Wikipedia:WikiProject Constructed languages/Invitation. I added it to the talk pages of those you suggested, thusly:

{{subst:Wikipedia:WikiProject Constructed languages/Invitation}}

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You can use it if you like. JonMoore 01:27, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

LOTM and DYK suggestion pages

Please see Portal:Constructed_languages/Language_of_the_month/Suggestions and Portal:Constructed_languages/Did you know/Suggestions. I used your guidelines from the main talk page for the LOTM guidelines. JonMoore 19:55, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Excellent! I do have one very minor issue, though. The text

Archive | Nominate a language...

and its DYK equivalent are quite a mouthful of code. Instead of repeating it on every individual LOTM/DYK page, wouldn't it be much better to have this code in the portal itself? Just one thought! —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 13:28, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Sure, honestly, I never thought about that.

Oh, and if I'm the father than that makes you...the mother? ;-) Haha, just kidding. You are at least co-father (which I think is illegal here in the United States, but legal in the Netherlands, heh). You put a lot of work into the portal, so I should say congratulations to you, too.

I hope you enjoyed yourself in Deutschland. I studied German for 2 years in high school, but never have gotten to Europe. Someday, maybe... Happy New Year to you also! JonMoore 17:58, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Georgian

Ha, you may be right about Georgian declension. I translated that (probably poorly) from the French version of the language portal. My French isn't very good. JonMoore 20:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

Conlang topic

Before I add it, I was wondering your opinion on adding a section to the Conlang portal which includes a selected topic, other than specific languages, such as creator bios, language types, con-cultures (Ill Bethisad comes to mind :-) and other miscellaneous topics. What do you think? JonMoore 21:21, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure, to be honest. I suppose we can do it, but do we really have enough articles for that? The bulk of all conlang articles are about specific languages, and certainly not all of the few conlanger bios we have are suitable. I don't think the beginning of bios of, say, George Orwell, Hildegard von Bingen or Giuseppe Peano even mention their conlangs. You know what? Let's just have a look at articles that might be suitable. If we can find enough articles that would fit for such a purpose (twelve or so), then we can implement a system similar to the LOTM. If not, well, then let's just skip the whole idea. And sure, I think Ill Bethisad wóuld be suitable! ;) —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 08:11, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Hello

I have never doubted your honest intentions or your civility. I could not, however, deny myself the opportunity to explain what I had written. Please don't think my message was written in spite. Thank you for transferring my article. What I know is language, not computers. --Erika00177 22:28, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm glad to hear that. It's always unpleasant doing things like this, but I've promised myself to take care of our conlang section as well as I can - and that includes weeding out articles that for one reason or another would not belong here. There's nothing personal about that; in fact, I hate doing it. But believe me: if I don't, and nobody else does, that will only be ammunition for those who don't know anything about conlangs and would love to delete everything related to it! If it hadn't been me, if would probably have been somebody else, and in all likeliness in a far less pleasant fashion!

Don't hesitate to drop me a note when you've something uploaded on your website. And please remember the suggestions I made on your talk page. I've a little experience in all this, and if you really want to share your language with others, they are a better starting point than Wikipedia.

Cheers, —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 22:40, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

John Wilkins' Real Character

Recently you added "An Essay towards a Real Character and a Philosophical Language" back into the list because you said it wasn't a duplicate. I am pretty sure that "An Essay towards a Real Character and a Philosophical Language" is the same thing as "John Wilkins' 'Real Character'" (it looks that way from reading the two entries). Can you ascertain that they are in fact different?

hi

its a good idea to move this Hystud to my user page. Hystudian is very dear to me, and i'd like more exposure. Akerensky99 20:15, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Your Attention, Please

Jan, I am in urgent need of your help with the red link under this sub-heading! Please help me make it work! Bo-Lingua 08:37, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Done! I think it should work now. Thanks! Cheers, —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 11:06, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Wenedyk Page

Looks like they're still trying to get it deleted...I guess I should get my novel published ASAP and that way we can say it's in published work. ;) You still need to e-mail me your thoughts on the story! Bo-Lingua 00:33, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

And I guess you can say I vandalized your user page, if you want to. ;)

Let me know if there is and AfD vote, I'll chip in my support. I'd be happy to contribute to Veneda, time permitting - I do devote majority of my wiki editing to real PLC on Wikipedia (btw, I wrote most of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth article, among other things). I love alternate history, and especially the (rather rare) ones involving Poland (or especially PLC).--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 00:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

There has already been an AfD vote, which resulted in no consensus. Okay, that surely doesn't mean there won't be a second one of course.

I've seen several of your articles here. Excellent work! Some of it has already found its way into the RTC, because it's a really good source for details about the szlachta and related things. As for the rest, I see you've already found your way to us! Cheers, —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 08:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Jan, have you seen how beautiful the page of Venedic is on the italian wiki? [2] Bo-Lingua 02:16, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Yes sir! Very nice indeed. There's only one problem with it: it still uses the "old" version of Wenedyk, and a few things ought to be updated. But unfortunately I don't know any Italian... —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 12:23, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Might I suggest you post in your nicest English and Latin and say this needs some updating as Wenedyk has recently changed? Bo-Lingua

47 in 2 of your languages

Hi, thank you, that's very kind... But I'm actually not including "private" conlangs (i.e. languages limited to just one or two persons). I only take widely known artificial languages (mostly but not entirely international auxiliary languages) ones in my list (like Esperanto, Ido, Interlingua, Klingon, for instance). Best Wishes, —N-true 21:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

That's okay. But I noticed that you included Üqoi and all Mark Rosenfelder's language, which look pretty personal to me! Cheers, —IJzeren Jan _{In mij legge alle fogultjes een ij} 23:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Republic of Talossa

Heads up . . . some conlang know-nothings are trying to delete the article Republic of Talossa from Wikipedia. Thought you might like to vote on this. Wiwaxia 01:32, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

request

Hello! I`ve got one request for you. I`m from Poland and I collect words in various languages. Now I`m looking for word "sugar" in other languages. I`ve got counterparts of word "sugar" in Japanese, Ahmaric, Thai, Georgian and Chinese, so can you write me what is "sugar" in Wenedyk? I`ve got this word in 330 languages and dialects of many regions and countries in the world so it is very important for me! Thank you very much! Szoltys

Esata

I have not seen the talk page. I'm going to read it now, and undelete if appropriate, but there had been consensus before on WP:AFD and WP:CSD G4 (repost) applies. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 19:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. OT, You should probably shorten your signature. It's a little bothersome. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 19:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Better now? —IJzeren Jan _Uszkiełtu? 19:46, 14 June 2006 (UTC) In any case, it's shorter than yours now! :))

I realized the irony when I made the request - 'least mine's all business. In fact, let me take out the contribs - make it much shorter. - CrazyRussian talk/contribs/email 20:45, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Here she is: - CrazyRussian talk/email

Excellent! Well done, Crazy Russian! By the way, do you have any idea why SOMETIMES the link to my talk page works and SOMETIMES it doesn't? In my experience as a programmer, it should either work or not, but not half-by-half. Cheers, —IJzeren Jan _Uszkiełtu? 20:58, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

It doesn't work on your talk page. Wiki software. E.g.: User:IJzeren Jan. User talk:IJzeren Jan. See? - CrazyRussian talk/email 21:00, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

I was just going to say that my talk page is of course not what I mean, since it obviously won't work there, but now that you mention it, that might actually have been my problem... Stupid me! —IJzeren Jan _Uszkiełtu? 21:02, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Спасибо большое! —IJzeren Jan _Uszkiełtu? 21:03, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

NP. Your experience as a programmer did not let you down. - CrazyRussian talk/email 21:08, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Siberian

I have answered to your questions at my page --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 16:09, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/Test-WP/chal/%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%B8%D0%BA%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B9_%D0%B3%D0%BE%D0%B2%D0%BE%D1%80

- siberian article about Wenedyk. Not so big, but our wiki is in the beginning now. --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 16:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Thank you! :) —IJzeren Jan _Uszkiełtu? 19:33, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

I beg your pardon for disturbing you, but you know the policies better than our group, and we can not found it ourselves. May we post to the incubator wiki open source of russian-siberian and ukrainian-siberian translators so that everybody can modify it and by this mean help to develop the automatic translation system? Because we have about 10 persons in the wiki already and they can help in this perhaps. Now we are developing the automatic translation systems for translate ruwiki and ukrawiki to the siberian. --Yaroslav Zolotaryov 09:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

cukier

Witaj. Nie odpowiadałeś mi kiedy do Ciebie napisałem po angielsku więc teraz piszę po polsku. Zbieram słowo "cukier" w różnych językach i obecnie mam 363 odpowiedników. Czy mógłbyś napisać mi jak słowo "cukier" brzmi w językach: wozgijskim i wenedyku? Byłbym bardzo wdzięczny bo jest to dla mnie bardzo ważne. Dziękuję, pozdrawiam, czekam na odpowiedź. Szoltys TALK

Dlaczego nie chcesz mi pomóc? Przecież jak widzę napisałeś jak w Twoich językach brzmi liczba 47. "Cukier" to podobna sprawa :-) Pomóż proszę... Szoltys TALK

Dziękuję. Jeśli masz ochotę to zapraszam tutaj :-) pozdrawiam, Szoltys TALK

Polish Wiktionary

I invite you to Polish Wiktionary because you know a lot of language (also Polish)./Witam starego znajomego z pl wiki ;). Zapraszam Cię do polskiego wikisłownika, bo widzę, że znasz kilka języków (w tym także polski). Mógłbyś się nam przydać np. jako ekspert od holenderskiego. Template:Pietras1988 16:25, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Edit summary

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Hi

Sorry to bother you, but I got two things I really want to say to you. First, I admire your language Wenedyk, I think it's an interesting view of history might have been (I'm thinking of making a similar project). Second, our birthdays are almost on the same days! (Mine is June 8th and my brother's is June 4th)Cameron Nedland 17:56, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the nice compliment! :) —IJzeren Jan _Uszkiełtu? 18:14, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

No problem bro!Cameron Nedland 16:07, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Hey Ijzeran, is it true that Dutch speakers can understand English a lot better than English speakers can understand Dutch? Thanks for your time bro.Cameron Nedland 13:31, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Deleting Siberian Language

I suppose that this mistake of admin A_Man_In_Black. About him it is necessary to report in WP:AN or WP:ANI. Regrettably my english very weak (en-1). Could Not You leave commentary about Incidents on page WP:ANI (or WP:AN). I have left also message on User talk:A Man In Black --Yakudza 12:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments. However, although I basically didn't count votes (it was clear this debate attracted so much attention on BOTH sides that numbers would mean very little), I did examine all the arguments. I think the best thing from AMIB's talk page that backs up my decision (btw, I didn't read that until after my explanation & decision) was when he said that the sources detail the movement/project, but nothing seems to talk about the language at all. As I pointed out, a "no consensus" would be, pure and simple, BAD for Wikipedia. In big debates like this, we need a decision, so we can move on. Mangojuice^talk 15:05, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

AMIB made a mistake in closing that debate, in that he relied heavily on his characterization of the motives of those on one side. He wisely reconsidered that, and withdrew his closing. My job is to interpret the debate, and then make an informed decision following policy, and that's what I did, so I'm not going to reopen the debate, nor am I going to change my mind now. I appreciate that you disagree with my decision: I already knew that, though, since you wanted the article to be kept. Mangojuice^talk 15:19, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Mysle ze userbox-en musi byc "4" a nie "3"

:) --VKokielov 16:07, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Dziękuję... jestem skromnym człowiekiem, ale skoro już... zmieniłem to. :) —IJzeren Jan _Uszkiełtu? 19:12, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Siberian language

There is a Wikipedia ru-sib.wikipedia.org on the Siberian language, but no article. Can we move User:IJzeren Jan/Siberian language to the main name space? -- Petri Krohn 21:43, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

BTW, Slovianski temp forum

If you're still interested, the main forum went down so I made a temp forum at [3] -iopq 10:56, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Vorlin

I have a little question, sorry for my poor English.

Why nobody did object anything against deletion of Vorlin.

Pasqual (ca) · CUT 20:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Long time, no see!

Jan! Send me an e-mail! It's been a while since I've seen you around! Bo-Lingua 04:39, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Zoinx

I was reading an old conlang deletion debate today and I noticed the link to Zoinx was red. It turned out someone had prodded it and it got deleted. Do you have admin powers that enable you to undelete the article, or will we have to get someone else to do it?

BTW, if I had known Vorlin was up for deletion, I would have voted to save it. Wiwaxia 00:20, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, no admin powers for me! ;)

Well, a lot of valuable stuff has been deleted that way recently. Frankly, I'm a bit tired of all this. This whole PROD thing just makes it worse: anyone can add the tag just like that and places the burden of evidence on somebody else's shoulders. Well, I simply don't have the time to constantly check for news conlang PRODs here and to start digging for evidence. So every once in a while I check what's going on here, just to find other stuff deleted. To be honest, I've been tired of all this for a long time: constantly tags all over the place, constantly the same discussions with the same people who'd much rather see ALL conlang articles deleted... I just don't have the time and the nerves for that anymore. But of course, I do regret the deletion of both Vorlin and Zoinx! Regards, —IJzeren Jan _Uszkiełtu? 16:33, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Would you like to be an admin?

Hello Jan, I'm considering nominating you for adminship. Would you accept the nomination?

--PeteBleackley 11:31, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Conlang template

I used your template, plus some mods, to make {{Conlang}}. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Constructed languages/Templates. Sai Emrys ¿? ✍ 00:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)