Talk:Toledo, Ohio

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Unverified image

Anyone care to investigate whether the image in this article from ohiobiz.com is legit permission? -- user:zanimum

I won't bother. Instead, I've uploaded an image of Toledo's skyline from the United States Coast Guard (specifically, the Marine Safety Office in Toledo). As this came from the USCG, it's in the public domain per Wikipedia's copyright tags. I replaced the image in the article with the USCG image. -- SwissCelt 07:54, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

History

The new history section needs some major work done to it. I put in it only what was in the article before the WikiProject Cities transformation. -- SwissCelt 10:39, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

The article says the city was founded in 1794, ten years after the Battle of Fallen Timbers, but that battle was itself in 1794 (according to its own article). Which is right? Rojomoke 16:19, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Most populous

SwissCelt the wording about the most populous Toledo in the world is misleading. At first I thought you were implying that Toledo was the most populous city in the world, and was ready to revert it. --UltraSkuzzi 12:54, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Okay, how about "most populous of the cities named Toledo"? -- SwissCelt 14:18, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

Medical College of Ohio

If the name of this institution is wrong, the article to which this links should be moved to the correct name. Editing the wiki only results in a broken (red) wiki. -- SwissCelt 23:43, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

Toledo War

It was not "bad surveying" that led to the dispute that led to MI-OH "war". It had to do with the history of the instructions about where the state line should be. I'll fix it when I can.

Jeeb 22:05, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Toledo riot?

There are three topics in the History section--founding, Toledo War, and today's riot. To suggest these are remotely on par is, frankly, bizarre. Either the riot should be in a separate section for "Recent events" or some such, or it shouldn't be discussed at all. Chick Bowen 04:31, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

I put the "flux" template on the riot section, so that it could be vetted somewhat by the Wikipedia community. I think adding such a section now is extremely premature (curfew only took effect less than five hours ago, for crying out loud!), but I'm not ready to remove the section yet unless/until this proves to be a tempest in a teapot. And frankly, I have a hunch it will be. (Needless to say, I'm not the one who added the section in the first place.) -- SwissCelt 04:44, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

P.S.: The Wikipedian who posted this section might consider adding information to Wikinews instead of Wikipedia at this early hour. -- SwissCelt 04:44, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

I agree that the prominence of this section is out of line with the rest of the article. It should little more that a footnote in the city's history. --rogerd 02:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

College Sports popularity in Toledo, OH

Hey don't you know the existence of Buckeyes&Wolverines shop in Toledo? Also, an OSU student said to Lantern, OSU newspaper, "I grew up in Toledo, where 5 Wolverine fans per Buckeye. In what state are you living?". I'm afraid I forgot the date of issue, so it's up to you if you revert it, as it is kinda "original research". I don't have any intention to re-add or re-revert it. Yassie 15:41, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

I still don't see where any of that is relevant to an article on Toledo-- which, after all, has its own Division I-A college athletics program. It might make a decent addition to the article on the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry, however. -- SwissCelt 15:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Alright, I added that to Michigan-Ohio State rivalry, with decent source. 125.30.45.162 16:30, 11 February 2006 (UTC) accidentally logged out. Yassie 16:39, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

This article cited by WTOL

The website of WTOL television carries an item about the Wikipedia article about Toledo: http://www.wtol.com/Global/story.asp?S=4664465. Thanks to those of you who've worked on the article, someone at the station found it informative and worth mentioning. JamesMLane t c 07:58, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Federal Writers Project?

It is unclear what portion of the text is being attributed to the federal writers' project. Is the first paragraph of the history section directly quoted from that project? This paragraph ends with a quote mark with no matching start quote mark. I'd like to make some minor changes to the paragraph, but not if it's a direct quote. Norman314 03:18, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Tax Abatement???

Maybe someone can start an article on it. I don't know much about Jeep or Toledo. but if a case makes it all the way to the Supreme Court it's got to be somewhat important

Revisiting the Toledo Riot

I'm ready to delete this section unless someone can give a compelling reason for including it in this main article about Toledo. Just a few months later, it seems this event has no lasting effect upon the city, and thus does not have any notable historical perspective. -- SwissCelt 18:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it would be a mistake to delete the North Toledo riot. While perhaps an eyesore for the community, the riot highlighted racial tensions that have existed, and also demonstrated the power of a small group of racists to provoke a large riot. Also, as a Toledo resident, I respectfully disagree with the statement that the riot "has no lasting effect on the city." Groups continue to work to repair the wounds torn open by this event.-- historymike 23:48, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

It's not so much that it's an eyesore as the section, as currently written, doesn't indicate the event's notability. Could you rewrite the section to show how the event continues to affect Toledo? I'm just a former resident, so I would not be as able to research sources which prove this as you are. Thanks! -- SwissCelt 16:29, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Rail Transportation

This part of the article needs to have the data contained within in put in a table or deleted as the current text sounds a bit like a train train timeable rather than an encyclopedic piece relevent to the article. Although addition of historical evidence would make it a worthwhile part of the article The addition of an explanation about other transportation facilities in the area. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rvwedd (talk • contribs) 09:07, 9 December 2006 (UTC).

The Lost Peninsula of Monroe County, Michigan

Does the city of Toledo separate the "Lost Peninsula" that is politically part of Monroe County, Michigan from the rest of Monroe County--i.e., to get from the Lost Peninsula to any other part of Monroe County, you must travel through Lucas County, Ohio to do so. Or is the part of Ohio that separates the Lost Peninsula from the rest of Monroe County part of the City of Oregon, Ohio or an unincorporated part of Lucas County? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 198.86.240.151 (talk) 14:27, 17 January 2007 (UTC).

I am not sure. I will look and try my best to find out. --wpktsfs 18:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I believe that the Lost Peninsula is a part of Monroe County, whereas it is in Michigan. This is, however, a guess. --wpktsfs 00:11, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Notable residents

I'd be curious as to if others believe Ted Kurt or Jeff Kurt are "notable" residents of Toledo or the area. They were recently added. One is claimed to be a "famed health care lawyer;" both are Kentucky colonels, as claimed. Any feedback? .

If indeed they are Kentucky colonels, I believe they are notable. --wpktsfs 18:42, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

They have been removed, whereas, the community decided they are not notable. --wpktsfs 20:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Wpktsfs -- I'd be curious as to how that was decided? Who is the community? Was there a vote? Asking more as a point of education than anything else. I'm from Toledo and had not heard of either gentlemen, so agree with the decision. --Miked918 20:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Climate

"The coldest temperature ever recorded was -16°F (-27°C), on January 21, 1985." But, if you look on the chart, it shows -20°F as a record low in January.Kaw in stl 15:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Reverts

I recently reverted edits done by the ip address 12.9.181.193. The reason for doing so was the fact that I did not feel that the editor was editing with a neutral point of view, also, none of the content added was sourced. Please feel free to re-add the information in a NPOV, sourced condition. Any questions, please contact my talk page. --wpktsfs 22:05, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

Excellent reversion. I was watching the page to see if anyone would (I'm a little gun shy, new to this). Douglasmtaylor 17:52, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Organization

I am impressed with the organization of Toledo, navigational pages, etc. I haven't read the material but the structure deserves top billing! Why isn't everyone copying you guys? Student7 00:19, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

TomKat

Just a question in general. I agree that Ottawa Hills = Toledo. Whereas, for instance, I did not agree that Bowling Green = Toledo (and hence removed Scott Hamilton). The list of notable residents is overlong anyway. But on the question of Cruise . . . was he really a resident or a visitor? I couldn't find a reference in The Blade, though I looked. Are there published standards for residency on Wikipedia? Into The Fray ^T/C 15:34, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Pardon, but Ottawa Hills is not the same as Toledo. See Image:Map of Lucas County Ohio With Municipal and Township Labels.PNG: unless Ottawa Hills has been annexed by Toledo since the map was created (2000), it is distinct. See the US census results for Ottawa Hills: it's a distinct entity according to that. A claim that someone from Ottawa Hills is from Toledo is a claim that Ottawa Hills is a part of Toledo, which it plainly isn't. Nyttend 16:01, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I should have been more clear. While I agree that Toledo and Ottawa Hills are two separate municipalities, I think it is fair to include notable residents from cities and their suburbs, which Ottawa Hills definitely is considering that it is completely surrounded by Toledo. From your edit summary: "(Rv: if I live in Rhode Island, am I a resident of Massachusetts? If I were born in San Marino, would I be a native of Italy? These are distinct municipalities; OHills isn't a part of Toledo)". That's a little different, considering that Rhode Island is a State and so is Massachusetts. San Marino and Italy are two separate countries, though I do understand the gist of what you're saying. I'm just curious to see this opened for discussion, rather than an edit war erupting over it and I'm more concerned about calling Cruise a resident of either, period. Would you agree that Ottawa Hills is at least a suburb of Toledo? Into The Fray ^T/C 16:23, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

To be sure, Ottawa Hills is a distinct municpality, in fact a village organizaed under Ohio law. That said, the standard for inclusion on Notable Residents lists is not the legal distinction but the common sense understanding. The concept referred to as Toledo includes both the mucipality and its suburbs, including those in at least three additional counties in northwest Ohio and even in another state. I'm not here to debate the merits of Cruise's inclusion on the list, since he barely resided there at all. But, if he's considered a resident of metro Toledo at all, he should be mentioned here. --Ssbohio 21:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Yep, he was a resident. It was actually just a block from me, haha, but since I can't use WP:OR here, I have to use The Village Voice as a reference. There was actually an entire article about it this summer, and how they for sure lived here. There were several first hand accounts and personal research by the editors. I cannot remember the exact month of the publication, but if that's imperative to include it in the article, I can email the publishers for the exact date (and maybe another copy of the article?)  hmwith  talk 22:14, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Nooooo, I don't think that's necessary. I'll WP:AGF, but I think it's probably a fine line between a visit and residency.  ;) Cheers, Into The Fray ^T/C 23:00, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, I guess I consider buying a home as residency. I mean, I know celebrities own about 847632 homes each, haha, but they'd stay there for amounts of time. Celebrities don't really have one residence, which makes it difficult. =)  hmwith  talk 23:41, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

Eh, semantics. But it's perfectly possible to own real estate without being a resident. I own a house in Toledo, but live in New York, for instance. Check this: [1] out sometime. Great resource on Lucas County real estate. Cheers and happy editing! Into The Fray ^T/C 23:58, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

(unindenting) Well, I don't think we should list metro area residents here (such could be put on a metro area page), but you all seem to have consensus otherwise :-) I've retitled the list to make it more accurate. Nyttend 02:24, 28 September 2007 (UTC)

Toledo article summary

The final line of the Toledo summary seems to be added soley for the benefit of singer/songwriter Danny Michel. As a Toledo native, I can name several recordings that are about or named after Toledo by more prominant figures (John Denver, Elvis Costello, George Carlin), but fail to see how any of them are important enough to be mentioned in the initial introduction. Perhaps a separate section of pop cultural Toledo references is needed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.229.199.148 (talk) 03:23, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Wi-Fi plan

The sentences about the city's Wifi plan probably need updating. Most municipal "free" wi-fi plans around the United States have proven to be non-viable. This article[2] in July 2007, indicates the Mayor has reversed course. Note 3 link points to a page on a city web server that no longer exists. Perhaps someone from Toledo who sees more of the locally available information can provide an update?StreamingRadioGuide 21:56, 7 November 2007 (UTC)