User talk:Tim1965

Bisbee deportation

Hey, good job on the expansion of this article, I'd been thinking about doing it myself, and you beat me to it. Well done! Murderbike (talk) 00:46, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. It's such a good story, and it had sat for nearly a year without improvement. I wish I could find images to go with it, though... - Tim1965 (talk) 02:19, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

A quick google image search turned up several, and it's safe to assume they're all PD, since it was 1917. Were you just being picky, or not find any you liked? Murderbike (talk) 02:34, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

The problem with nearly all the images I can find is that they are in the possession of someone else. For example, all those on the University of Arizona Web site? The actual image may be PD, but not that scan -- which is owned by UA. And since I can't show that I went to UA and scanned the image (or that they gave me permission to scan the PD image which they control), I'm stuck. I did a search on Wikipedia, Wiki Commons, and Library of Congress and came up with nothing. - Tim1965 (talk) 02:42, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Hmmm, it seems like as long as there's no watermark, photos would at least be available under some sort of "historical significance" non-free license. Murderbike (talk) 02:58, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

I hate using non-free images; there are so few PD labor images out there, I really want to find PD ones so they can be used over and over. I'm going to keep searching for a PD image, but if I can't find one in a couple of days then I'll upload one of the good ones from UA and use the non-free historical image license. - Tim1965 (talk) 14:30, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

On 4 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bisbee Deportation, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Great job on the article! I read it with interest. Wow, they kidnapped non-strikers even! --Royalbroil 16:53, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you. I love history, and this sort of incident is jaw-dropping. (And fun to research!) - Tim1965 (talk) 15:23, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

AVN (magazine)

Thank you for your very flattering assessment of the AVN (magazine) article, giving it a B rating. However, I felt you overrated it so I went back and added more things to try and deserve it. Enjoy. Vinh1313 (talk) 06:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

For an article about pornography, it's pretty good (no matter what the origin of those sources). Because of legal repression and social opporbrium (how's that for high-sounding words early on a Saturday morning?), it is exceedingly difficult to find good sources on topics related to adult film, photography, and writing. Worse, much of AVN's history as a company is oral in nature, with backdoor dealings, sex traded for awards, photos bartered for ad space, etc. Not only is it not written down, it's never going to be because it's so shady. (And AVN is relatively clean as a company! I have stories to tell you about Falcon Studios and Unzipped magazine and other gay porn-side companies which would make you wonder how any of these morons make money.) So yeah, I thought it was a B. A weak B, but a B. Not a GA, not by a long shot (yet!). And it'll get better over time. I really appreciate the work you did on that article, too. You write well. - Tim1965 (talk) 13:48, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Evanson, is that you? Vinh1313 (talk) 07:37, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, silly. Who else uses Tim1965 for his LJ account? (You never made the connection? Bad boy!) Go ahead, email me. - Tim1965 (talk) 15:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 5 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Bernard Natan, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Royalbroil 14:42, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK: Le Menage Moderne Du Madame Butterfly

On 6 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Le Menage Moderne Du Madame Butterfly, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--PFHLai (talk) 05:41, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Joseph Yablonski

Nice work fixing up the Joseph Yablonski article. As I was living in Kentucky at the time, and supporting the reform movement in the UMWA, the Black Lung Association, and the Miners for Democracy, it's great to see this part of the history summarized, referenced, and documented. Dwalls (talk) 04:35, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

• Thank you for the kind words for the article. When I first read about the murder of Jock Yablonski, I could hardly believe it. The more I dug into it, the more I realized what a turning point for the UMWA it was. (And I come from Montana, and had no idea who Tony Boyle was, either.) I also wrote the article on Chip and Kenneth Yablonski, improved the article on Tony Boyle, and wrote the (rather lengthy) article on Arnold Miller. Personally, I find the death of the Yablonskis to be as scary and evil as that of the Clutters in Truman Capote's In Cold Blood. And it was a story which deserved to be told. - Tim1965 (talk) 00:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK January 7

On 7 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article The Surprise of a Knight, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Andrew c ^[talk] 14:53, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

FLOC

It is my opinion that you censored a fact that I recently added to the Wikipedia page on the Farm Labor Organizing Committee. The fact concerned a statement made by Mexican officials regarding the death of Santiago Rafael Cruz, and was documented with a reference to the newspaper article that it appeared in. If you would like to do so, please contact me on my talk page, but I don't think removong it is justified.

Additionally, you added a statement that is false. In the Mt. Olive Pickle Boycott section, you wrote "More than 1,000 growers agreed to form the North Carolina Growers Association to act as the employers' collective bargaining agent." According to the NCGA's website, "Since 1989 NCGA has grown from 40 members to more than a 1,000."

The NCGA existed for 15 years before it became a collective bargaining agent.

Another statement, that "In 2006, FLOC won a second major court case on behalf of its members and other workers. A federal district court judge ruled that growers belonging to the North Carolina Growers Association had to pay guest workers' visa and transportation fees." is misleading. The court case that this is referencing was a lawsuit filed by a class of employees against the NCGA. FLOC did not bring the lawsuit, or represent the employees, it merely benefitted from the fact that the settlement required the NCGA to acknowledge FLOC as the worker's bargaining agent.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Ralphy00700712 (talk • contribs) 18:38, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 7 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Paranormal State, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Carabinieri (talk) 21:33, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK

On 9 January, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article James Duncan (labor leader), which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--The Placebo Effect (talk) 13:13, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

DYK James Duncan

Tim, 1. Impressed with all your DYKs. Well done 2. I just looked at this article and the assessment. B in my opinion is generous. Moreover its bad practise to assess your own articles. Are you a member of Scotland etc etc. Someone needs to remove the Bs I think ...there are no pictures, no infobox, no objective view. No hard feelings I hope Victuallers (talk) 17:00, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

My understanding from reading the Assessment guidelines was that anyone could rate an article, even if they'd heavily contributed to it. Although project members "primarily" assess articles, there wasn't anything which said it was restricted to them. The assessment critieria for a Class B article are that the article contains several of the following:

• a particularly useful picture or graphic
• multiple links that help explain or illustrate the topic
• a subheading that fully treats an element of the topic
• multiple subheadings that indicate material that could be added to complete the article

Class B articles usually have gaps, missing elements or references, need editing for language usage or clarity or balance of content, or contain other problems (copyright, NPOV, original research, etc.). I think "James Duncan" meets three of those four criteria. If there are NPOV issues, I would be surprised (to be honest).

There's nothing in the guidelines about infoboxes (which some projects use and others do not), and the "picture" rule is something difficult to meet under WP's license requirements and with articles about older subjects who aren't popes or presidents. I don't take it personally. But I think your concept of a Class B article is higher than that of the Assessment guidelines. I assume that if a project had different assessment guidelines than WP's Assessment guidelines, then someone from the project would re-rate the article and put a comment on the Talk page as to why. - Tim1965 (talk) 17:29, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm surprised about infoboxes. However finding a picture is not a significant issue it justs takes time. Flickr is a good source and fan clubs etc. I'm not sure you can ignore a rule though just cos its difficult. I agree my concept of a B is (much) higher. It would be useful to have an objective opinion. I did look for a policy and got this. As the say its only "bad form". As it is it is difficult to now get an objective opinion as new assessors are likely to be swung by your self awarded B. For a start or a stub then I do self assess. The project that I am well associated with is schools. We allow only agreed people to assess and they cannot do it for a B without reporting. I don't know what other projects would think of you assessing their articles. However, you re right. Its not against policy as far as I can see, (but I am a registered assessor for Biographies.) Victuallers (talk) 20:25, 9 January 2008 (UTC)