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Northern Irish

How is it that a person born in Northern Ireland is "not Northern Irish"? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 08:43, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

No offence but you obviously know nothing of Irish politics, they are NOT Northern Irish. BigDunc^Talk 08:44, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

No, I most certainly do. Perhaps you don't realise it's not a political category. It's a birthplace category. Anyway, if you object so much to it on "political" grounds, then would not the sensible thing to do be to place the person in Category:Irish escapees instead of the redundant Category:Escapees? POV may be clouding your thinking, of course. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 08:49, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

It is not a birthplace category. Category:People from Belfast is a birthplace category, that category is not a birthplace category. Please stop adding contentious categories to biographical articles, especially ones about living people. Domer48 (talk) 08:51, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Who says it's not? I created it; supposedly I could define it as a birthplace/escapee one. So, what about my other points? Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 08:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I was not aware you had any other points, I do not see any that have any merit and are in need of addressing. I repeat, please stop adding contentious categories to biograhpical articles, especially ones about living people. The sensible thing to do would be to stop adding or creating offensive categories in the first place, such as claimimg Angelo Fusco is British based on your own conjecture. Domer48 (talk) 09:02, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Let me restate the point I made above, since you were unaware of it. If you disagree with this category, would not the sensible thing to do be to place the person in another category, (like Category:Irish escapees, e.g.) instead of the redundant Category:Escapees? As for Angelo Fusco, you seemed to miss the point that the category in question identified the nationality of the granter of the pardon, not the nationality of the recipient. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 09:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure where this discussion is coming from, but people born in Northern Ireland can be considered British, Irish, Northern Irish, even Ulstermen or Ulsterwomen. As the area is contested it's usually polite to refer to the person in the manner to which they'd wish to be referred.Starviking (talk) 09:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I think that's good advice, which is why I would suggest changing the category to the appropriate one, rather than simply reverting a change that may not be accurate. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 09:45, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

There has been a arther unfortunate tendency for some ditors to refuse to engage in the debate about this. I am yet to see a proper argument that Northern irish doesn't exist. There has been emphirical evidence produced many times that it does.Traditional unionist (talk) 12:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

You are imposing a tag of Northern Irish on people that do not class themselves as such. BigDunc^Talk 12:55, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Sable Starr

Hello, BigDunc, thanks for relisting my latest srticle on Maud de Braose. My article that you tagged yesterday was deleted as I slept last night by an American editor.(I am on CET).I had found more sources on Sable but it was already deleted. This is not an ego thing, I really believe she desrves her own article. Seeing as Wikipedia has a groupies cat, why shouldn't it include one of the most notable groupies of the 1970's along with Bebe Buell and Pamela Des Barres. I grew up in that time and place, I know how famous Sable was, far more so than Connie Hamzy who has her own article. The groupies cat is sparse because we aren't allowed to write articles about the real groupies. What irriates me is how so many editors, especially those in America, have a regional bias-if they have never heard of someone, well they cannot be important, so must be deleted ASAP. As I said, BigDunc, this isn't an ego trip, I don't care who submits the article, I just felt that Sable Starr merited an article and that other editor deleted my article too quickly.Thanks.Sorry for bothering you but I sort of regard you as my mentor here at Wikipedia.jeanne (talk) 15:30, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

With an article like that you have to be very careful of violating WP:BLP. Have a good read of that, sources have to be strictly adhered to on it. The refs you had were to groupies.com and cant recall the other IMO hardly the most reliable of sources wouldn't you agree. Also this seems to be a source of the article also not a relaible source. BigDunc^Talk 15:42, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Also see this page it gives you a lot of help in creating articles. BigDunc^Talk 15:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

I suppose writing about a groupie could be rather dodgy, seeing as she was 15 years old in 1973 and most of the people I mentioned are alive. If I could just get my hands on a proper book about her which could be sourced with dates, names, page numbers, references etc I'd have another go. But until then, I guess my safest bet is to stick with my standard medieval heiresses. They're easier to source and cannot complain about libel!!!Thanks again, BigDunc.Cheers.15:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)jeanne (talk)

Frances Seymour, Duchess of Somerset (1599-1674)

Just curious how do we combine the Source section and the ref section because we only need one I believe. Daytrivia (talk) 16:32, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Did a slight re adjust how is that? BigDunc^Talk 11:16, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks looks better. Daytrivia (talk) 17:00, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Groupies articles.

I've been busy editing and removing unsourced, lurid details about Lori Maddox, Connie Hamzy and Angela Bowie. The latter had a few lines that were highly questionable and even contained profanity. I think they look ok now, but if you want to have a look at them go ahead and see if they pass muster.jeanne (talk) 17:45, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Flag for Northern Ireland?

I've noticed you removing the Northern Ireland from several articles, with the note that this is not the flag for Northern Ireland.

What would you suggest is used instead, as the flag Wikipedia has is the normally accepted flag.

Or are you suggesting that NI has no flag that can be used - as I assume that any other flag (the Union flag, or the Republic's) would be too contentious?

PhantomSteve (talk) 21:58, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The Union flag is the official flag of NI the Ulster Banner was the Flag of the Government of Northern Ireland between 1953 and 1972. And has limited use today in some sports. BigDunc^Talk 22:50, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Limited, and very much unoffical. About as official as the flag of Ulster.

Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 20:45, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure you could call it 'limited'. About two-thirds of the Northern Irish population would recognise it as their flag in some manner or other. It was also the official flag of the Northern Ireland government in the past, which is more than can be said for the flag of Ulster. Starviking (talk) 03:14, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Your definition of the Northern Ireland conflict

My take on that ban was that it referred to the latest "Northern Ireland conflict", usually known as the Troubles (1969-98). Your definition seems to be a little more elastic. Would you care to elaborate?

Lapsed Pacifist (talk) 20:43, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Could you clarify what you mean, not sure what you are referring to. BigDunc^Talk 12:56, 15 June 2008 (UTC)