Talk:Travancore

History of Travancore

Will someone care to write an article on History of Travancore using the pictures at Commons:Travancore? I can help copyediting it. -- Sundar ^{\talk \contribs} 07:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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edited the subsection 19th century . from "as per reports of higher castes" to "reports of Christian Missionaries" . I have added the reference to it. BharatveerBharatVeer-Bharatveer (talk) 12:29, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

--- edited the last sentence of 19th century subsection Bharatveer 06:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Added citation needed tag to the sentence regarding travancore being the "vassals of Nayaks of Madurai,Nayak dynasty" Bharatveer 14:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

Modified the first para to remove the tag. I have also made some changes to remove POV termsBharatveer 04:55, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

add a map

add a map

Maravan Pada.

Can someone explain why the information about the 'maravan pada' was removed/ Thanks. jeyarajan_r@hotmail.com

I removed 'maravan pada' as i felt it was incorrect. If you have sources for that; you can re-insert those sentences.Bharatveer 03:46, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

I have changed "maharajah's soldiers" to "british soldiers" as the final fight was between Velu thambi and the british forces.Bharatveer 03:59, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Maravan Padai

The distance between Padhmanaba Puram and Marukal kurichi is 100 Km. A 4-5 hours of horse ride. Well, I got the information about Marakal kurichi from the book ‘A History of Tinnevelly’ wriiten by CALDWELL,BISHOP R, a missionary. 500 horse men from Marukal kurichi won the military of ‘ettu veetil pillaimar’ and brought back Marthanda varma into power. Marukal kurichi is still a village near Nanguneri . The villagers today don’t know the fact that their ancestors led the first Asian military that won the European forces, not Tojo of Japan at Yellow sea. I add this reference again. Can you please tell me, where did you get the information about ‘Maravan pada’?

Maravan Pada

Hi, Why the maravan pada info is not there. Can you please explain. Can you please add a better description when you add or remove some info. Thanks. jeyarajan_r@hotmail.com

Pls refer Travancore State Manual-Velu Pillai.

Written in 1940, it clearly debunks many of the claims of Travancore being weak in its early history.I think maravan pada is also mentioned in this one. I felt that most of the earlier sentences were just meant to glorify panyaanadu, nayaks , etc etc and historically inaccurate.Bharatveer 10:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC)Bharatveer 10:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC)Bharatveer 10:13, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Rama Varma

The name Rama varma is a very common name among royalty of kerala. The Dharma raja or Kathika Thirunal Rama varma is more apt name also recognised in the history among the people of kerala. The link was shifted to dharma raja.activevoid 06:56, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Dutch empire overseas?

How come the above mentioned template is added to the article, when the article itself says that Travancorean king Marthanda Varma defeated the Dutch general, De Lennoy?? rohith 20:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

where lies the northern end of Travancore?is it Muvattupuzha?

Upto which part of modern Kerala does the old travancore exists?the northern part especially.does travencore reached beyond Muvattupuzha,Angamali etc.also it seems the article does not define the division btw tranvancore and Cochin properly-almong with a MAP which shows Tiru-Kochi;not alone travancore.

It lies further north from muvattupuzha..the second map shows the boundary. Travancore boundaries almost touched cochin Manu —Preceding comment was added at 12:39, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Ayyavazhi issue

Bharatveer, The impact of Ayavazhi over the history of Travancore is perhaps not understood by you. If so, pls see the Historian views, LMS Reports, University Books, Statistical publications etc cited (citations:1-6) there in the article. I've added onemore citation; that is from one of the school syllabus of the Kerala government. Paul Raj 12:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

So Friend, are you telling that the Kerala govt and the Madras University moving in Ayyavazhi POV? - Paul Raj 13:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Paul Raj, With all respect, Ayyavazhi was mostly restricted to Tamil speaking areas (present day Nagerkoil district) of the Travancore state and had little impact on the Travancore state as a whole. Even today, Ayyavazhi group is restricted to South Tamil Nadu only and not in Kerala. It is unfair to highlight the teachings of Ayyavazhi as a major social reform over Ayyankali, Narayana Guru and Chattambi Swamigal. As social reformers in the Travancore/Kochi states, the trio had a much bigger impact and would be more significant in the history of Travancore. It would be unfair to highlight Ayya Vaigundar's role alone and ignore other reformers. So, I have removed the paragraph on Ayyavazhi from the history of Travancore. If you like to revert to the old form, you must include one or two paragraphs about those reformers also. otherwise, the article appears biased to Ayyavazhi sect.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Geejap (talk • contribs) 04:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

User:Geejap, for all the comments you made above, the citations provided will a answer. It includes university papers, historian writtings and also the Syllabus of Kerala Government(which states Vaikundar as the first reformer). So it's respectfully unfair to remove those contents from over there.

And regarding Narayana Guru and Chattampi Swamikal, I completely agree that the article will remain biased with mentioning Ayyavazhi and without the others. But I don't know much about them and there are no citations for me to provide. So let some others add those things, Thanks. - PAUL RAJ 20:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

User:Bharatveer, it's quiet unfair to remove Ayyavazhi related edits when, what and where ever on Wikipedia; don't you see the multiple references (even from govt and universities)? For you, any thing related to Ayyavazhi = Undue ?!!! Once again I am telling you - Will you please see into the multiple citations and the sources. Also note the impact of Vaikundar as noted ( at bottom of the section 'Teachings and Impact')here; Additionally take a look into the cited sources too. - PAUL RAJ 09:43, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

User:Paulraj, Please see Wikipedia:Don't be a fanatic. Please don't try to push your Povs -Bharatveer (talk) 12:37, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

No place here for anything else than valid and credible citations; everything is authenic and appropriate(as per wiki policy). And additionally, I don't understand why you suggested this (Wikipedia:Don't be a fanatic) page for me. Are you meaning that, The then Travancore State, University of Madras, The Kerala State Government, London Missionary Society ect - all people related to the above institutions and their publications are fanatic and are publishing every thing with my signature?

Above all, pointing a 'manual' link (such as 'Please see Wikipedia:Don't be a fanatic' and all) to an user doesn't gives the right to revert his edits based on valid and credible citations. I think you may agree with this point, Thanks. - PAUL RAJ 15:27, 20 July 2008 (UTC)