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Pakistani FA or GA

Is there any way to identify which articles that are tagged with WP Pakistan and are listed as either FA or GA? --→ Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 00:58, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

See Category:FA-Class Pakistan articles and Category:GA-Class Pakistan articles. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:15, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

For a complete list of quality classes, see this table. Regards, Ganeshk (talk) 01:17, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Ah, right. I forgot about the table. Thanks! --→ Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 01:36, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Miss Pakistan World

Shamefully enough, the author of this article Sonia Ahmed or Sonisona (talk), who happens to be the president of the firm for which the article is written, is slanted towards her biased point-of-view and is preventing the article from growing organically. Please view the article in its current state and check out its history in which all possible good edits have been reverted or reworded to impose her point-of-view. I have suggested deleting the article to let the author know of her deeds. What do you guys suggest? Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 10:00, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I would vote for deletion but it would be difficult since the article has some proper sources. From my past experience nominating it for deletion because of a NPOV issues, never works out. Plus there are other two editors working on it. The best option would be to get the editors to remove the POV and add more sources. --→ Ãlways Ãhëad (talk) 23:31, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Problem is, the two editors that you mention have tried to edit the article and remove all the POV but the author retains the POV-orientation. You've seen the article and check after a while when Sonisona (talk) has made her changes. It'll all come back to being all sweet and full of that oh-so-boring POV. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 23:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I would like to point out that, per WP:COI, people affiliated with the organization, especially its president, are NOT at all supposed to edit the article. Please add a note at WP:ANB. --Ragib (talk) 05:12, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

This article has now been nominated for deletion via AFD at it's deletion entry. Please feel free to nominate your choice. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 20:30, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

LahoreKid has left the building

User:LahoreKid has been blocked indefinitely for operating multiple sockpuppet accounts. WWGB (talk) 00:06, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Kashmir

Salamalikum fellow muslims, I'm from Srinagar, Kashmir. I have noticed that the article on "Kashmir" on wikipedia is very indianized which is not a very good sign.

PLEASE DO SMTHN ABOUT IT!

Syedtalha (talk) 04:49, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Please feel free to edit the article, or discuss what issues you feel need to be looked at. Pahari Sahib 04:21, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Road to FA

For the past few days, I have been looking into biographical stubs. I have realised with patience, diligence and research, one can include content by five-fold in such articles to make it acceptable for DYKs submitted here.

What I suggest here is that we should all spot such articles or any newly created article and enrich them with sourced facts and submit in to DYKs on a regular basis. Once that is done, the articles can be declared a certain share of notability and then can be converted into B-Class by adding some more content.

This worked pretty well with the following articles I worked on:

1. Ayesha Omar
2. Yasmeen Ghauri
3. Veena Malik
4. Vaneeza Ahmad
5. Strings (band)

..and I found out that once they are submitted to the DYKs, authors outside of this WikiProject also try to fix basic errors in articles. I must say I pretty pleased with the above articles and would suggest every project member to write articles in this way. At least, all biographical articles should have one DYK associated to it. Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 17:06, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

Great work Arun. For newly created articles within the scope of this project, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Pakistan/New articles --IslesCape^Talk 16:44, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Articles flagged for cleanup

Currently, 1094 of the articles assigned to this project, or 24.5%, are flagged for cleanup of some sort. (Data as of 18 June 2008.) Are you interested in finding out more? I am offering to generate cleanup to-do lists on a project or work group level. See User:B. Wolterding/Cleanup listings for details. Subsribing is easy - just add a template to your project page. If you want to respond to this canned message, please do so at my user talk page. --B. Wolterding (talk) 17:25, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

This is really useful. I suggest we update/replace the current 'To Do List' page, as it does refer to the cleanup issues. Exiting contents of the page can be moved to other relevant pages.--IslesCape^Talk 15:44, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Changes to the WP:1.0 assessment scheme

As you may have heard, we at the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial Team recently made some changes to the assessment scale, including the addition of a new level. The new description is available at WP:ASSESS.

• The new C-Class represents articles that are beyond the basic Start-Class, but which need additional references or cleanup to meet the standards for B-Class.
• The criteria for B-Class have been tightened up with the addition of a rubric, and are now more in line with the stricter standards already used at some projects.
• A-Class article reviews will now need more than one person, as described here.

Each WikiProject should already have a new C-Class category at Category:C-Class_articles. If your project elects not to use the new level, you can simply delete your WikiProject's C-Class category and clarify any amendments on your project's assessment/discussion pages. The bot is already finding and listing C-Class articles.

Please leave a message with us if you have any queries regarding the introduction of the revised scheme. This scheme should allow the team to start producing offline selections for your project and the wider community within the next year. Thanks for using the Wikipedia 1.0 scheme! For the 1.0 Editorial Team, §hepBot (Disable) 21:12, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind notice, Shep. I have added the C-Class in the Wikipedia banner for this project such that if the B-Class criteria is not fulfilled then the C-Class automatically appears. Thanks, Arun Reginald (talk · contribs) 00:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

osmanistan

I just created a new article on Osmanistan but its not too detailed, it would help a lot if someone could add to it. However, im not sure where to 'advertize' it. As its a Pakistan's hsitory page i thought id add it here. do ya'll know where to add it.Lihaas (talk) 02:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Awal Shah Khattak Chokara

Another editor created the article Awal Shah Khattak Chokara with the following text: "Chairman Awal Shash of Chokara was the great politician, surkhposh Rahnoma,great nationalist, and well known person of the Karak. He developed the village chokara in every field of life. he lonched water scheme at every corner of the Union councile chokara. He never defeted in election.He have three sons, Mr. Noor Bad Shash, Mir Ahmad Khan and Abdullah Khan Khattak. Mr. Hameedullah is the grand son of Awal Shash. He is great politician of the area.He paly an active role in local politics.Mr.Nazir Khattak is also a grand son of Chairman Awal Shash. He is serving as Deuty director(GIS)in Ministry of environment, Islamabd."

The article may have been deleted by now, but if you think that the person is notable, you might want to edit the article.

As well, there have been some recent edits to Khattak which should be reviewed and perhaps reverted. --Eastmain (talk) 02:59, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Simple English wikipedia may need your help

Hello there; I am sorry if I am posting this here. It may be unrelated to your Wikiproject, it is not on English-language Wikipedia either. I am Eptalon (Admin and CheckUser Simple English Wikipedia). Recently, an editor joined our ranks. This editor has not created an account; he (I am assuming he is male) edits mostly topics related to Pakistan (we recently saw the addition of many tehsils in Pakistan; before that he edited some articles related Kashmir; in general he seems to be interested in Geography). He is generally very active. The IP he uses to edit is based around Manchester, in the United Kingdom. We have tried to contact him (to tell him things like using {{stub}} for short articles, or putting interwiki links on those articles (he mostly copies parts of articles from EnWP). So far, he has not responded - so we cannot tell if our messages get through.

I do not know how common English is in Pakistan (or among the Pakistani community in GB); I also do not know what language is common in Pakistan. At the moment, I am assuming good faith; and I think he may have a language problem. My question to you would therefore be if you could help us get him to talk to us. At the moment, his edits do not constitue a breach of any rules (they just create a lot of work for other editors, adding stub templates or iw links).

• His talk page: simple:User talk:92.2.101.184
• His contributions: simple:Special:Contributions/92.2.101.184
• The message on Simple's Admin Noticeboard: simple:WP:AN#Special:Contributions.2F92.2.101.184

Help would greatly be appreciated. (Another note: we are very open to Pakistan-related topics; at the moment we just do not have editors with this background.) --Eptalon (talk) 10:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Jehan

Have a look at the Noor Jehan page and let me know what else needs doing. I want to still add a personal life type section but not a trivia sections like there was before. At the moment I think I have done some justice to the history section. As I am no pro with Noor Jehan's work I would like people who know a bit more about her to read the article and have a look and tell me if I have gone wrong. I still need to reference it, there weren't any to start with so it would be cool if people can add them or leave useful links on the talk page. SholeemGriffin (talk) 23:44, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Help needed with Hameed Shahid

Hi, I have been editing the article on Hameed Shahid, which was created by a user named Istaara. I have reason to believe that this is the subject of the article (see here. Istaara has also created articles for the books written by Shahid (all linked to from that article) and for some books written by others (but those articles also talk mostly about Shahid and even give his picture). I do not read Urdu and it is difficult for me to assess the notability or lack thereof of this author, so before putting the whole bunch of articles up for AfD as a walled garden of self-promotion, I would be good if someone knowledgeable on the subject of Urdu literature could have a look at this. Thanks! --Crusio (talk) 10:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Well Done

When I left this project a year ago (due to my absence from wikipedia), there were more Unassessed articles than assessed but now You people have turn the tables.Keep it up.User talk:Yousaf465

User:SaqibChaudhry and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Click2Mail

Hello.
Can someone please have a look at SaqibChaudhry (talk · contribs), especially the articles created by him and their respective categorizations of importance and quality, in particular Talk:Pakistan German Business Forum, Talk:Japan - Pakistan business co-operation committee, Talk:Federation of Pakistan Chamber of Commerce & Industry? At the moment they are all high importance articles, some are even feature articles. :)
Furthermore, you might be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Click2Mail.
Cheers, Amalthea (talk) 20:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Ansar-ul-Islam (Pakistan)

Could you please look at the article Ansar-ul-Islam (Pakistan)? It is unreferenced, and I do not know if it should be kept. --Eastmain (talk) 06:03, 29 July 2008 (UTC)

Mir Taqi Mir

Do you think the Mir Taqi Mir article comes under the scope of WP Pakistan? I remember studying him for Urdu in 10th grade so I am curious. If he comes under the scope of WP Pakistan then I think I might edit the article and make it pretty. SholeemGriffin (talk) 20:53, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

It should because its part of Urdu literature. But maybe it should be under Wikiprojects Urdu (if there is such a project) Zohair Ahmad (talk) 06:20, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

The article is currently under the domain of WP India, Biographies and Muslim Scholars. I thought perhaps he should be under WP Pakistan as he forms a part of the cultural upbringing of every school goer in Pakistan. He has influenced loads of other poets like Ghalib so perhaps he should be under WP Pak. Anyway, Ghalib comes under WP Pakistan and he was an Urdu poet before Pakistan was formed so perhaps same treatment should be given to Mir. Well this is all that is going through my mind at the moment. However, he was an Urdu poet but well before Pakistan was formed which makes me wonder whether he qualifies as a WP Pak article contender. SholeemGriffin (talk) 01:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Urdu script needed

Urdu script needed at Shan Masala. Badagnani (talk) 17:28, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

Awesomeness, they actually have an article on shan masala. May be I can scan a box or something and put the picture on there, if that's ok by copy right law. Like take a picture of a couple of boxes arranged in some way or something. I am so amazed. SholeemGriffin (talk) 23:13, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

How to use an image I need

I've been editing the Pakistan Navy Engineering College article. I found this image on the universities page. How do I know if this is copyrighted or not?? Zohair Ahmad (talk) 11:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

As it's on PNEC's website. Best way is to contact them for permissions. You may also like to look at WP:IMAGE and WP:ERP. --IslesCape^Talk 11:05, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Pakistani English

I was somewhat surprised to see that it is a redirect to Indian English, which is incorrect. English is Pakistan is while similar to Indian English is distict enough to have its own articles to many differences.

Pakistani English

Sparten (talk) 09:46, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Are these sites encyclopaedic?

Hi. We have several dozen links to four domains, all related by ownership; at least one of these we know has been systematically spammed. See this discussion which includes links to the sites:

• Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Spam#twocircles.net

Your input on the usefulness of any of these links as encyclopaedic sources would be very much appreciated and I invite you to chip in on the WikiProject Spam talk page.

Thanks, --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:45, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Kargil War

Kargil War has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here.

Rudyard Kipling FAR

Rudyard Kipling has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:16, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

POK article

There is a pro indian user Kashmir Cloud who is canvassing votes to keep a very biased article called POK i urge all users to vote and delete it 86.158.235.148 (talk) 13:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Now canvassing the way you do is inappropriate despite the fact that supporters of keeping the article are doing it. If any editors associated with the present WikiProject would like to look at the article in question it is Pakistan occupied Kashmir, and I have also added it to WikiProject Pakistan. __meco (talk) 14:22, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

It is appropriate to mention this at the relevant wikiproject. this however was posted on many userpages Pahari Sahib 23:17, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia 0.7 articles have been selected for Pakistan

Wikipedia 0.7 is a collection of English Wikipedia articles due to be released on DVD, and available for free download, later this year. The Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team has made an automated selection of articles for Version 0.7.

We would like to ask you to review the articles selected from this project. These were chosen from the articles with this project's talk page tag, based on the rated importance and quality. If there are any specific articles that should be removed, please let us know at Wikipedia talk:Version 0.7. You can also nominate additional articles for release, following the procedure at Wikipedia:Release Version Nominations.

A list of selected articles with cleanup tags, sorted by project, is available. The list is automatically updated each hour when it is loaded. Please try to fix any urgent problems in the selected articles. A team of copyeditors has agreed to help with copyediting requests, although you should try to fix simple issues on your own if possible.

We would also appreciate your help in identifying the version of each article that you think we should use, to help avoid vandalism or POV issues. These versions can be recorded at this project's subpage of User:SelectionBot/0.7. We are planning to release the selection for the holiday season, so we ask you to select the revisions before October 20. At that time, we will use an automatic process to identify which version of each article to release, if no version has been manually selected. Thanks! For the Wikipedia 1.0 Editorial team, SelectionBot 22:45, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

FA Review

Muhammad Ali Jinnah has been nominated for a featured article review. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. Please leave your comments and help us to return the article to featured quality. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, articles are moved onto the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Remove" the article from featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Reviewers' concerns are here. YellowMonkey (bananabucket) 03:40, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Kohala or Kohalla and Kohal(l)a Bridge

The three pages Kohala, Pakistan, Kohala Bridge and Kohalla Bridge are rather disorganised! What is the correct spelling - one "L" or two? What is needed is one article on the bridge (including the photos) with the alternate spelling a redirect. And information on the town moved to the place article not the bridge article! Hugo999 (talk) 13:06, 22 September 2008 (UTC)