Talk:Oslo I Accord

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Viagero:

can you explain why you deleted this:

Loss of credibility

Since the start of the Al-Aqsa Intifada and its emphasis on suicide bombers deliberately targeting civilians riding public transportation (buses), the Oslo Accords are viewed with increasing disfavor by the Israeli public. In May 2000, seven years after the Oslo Accords and five months before the start of the Al-Aqsa Intifada, a survey by the Tami Steinmetz Center for Peace Research at the University of Tel Aviv found that: 39% of all Israelis support the Accords and that 32% believe that the Accords will result on peace in the next few years. [1]. By constrast, the May 2004 survey found that 26% of all Israelis support the Accords and 18% believe that the Accords will result on peace in the next few years; decreases of 13% and 16% respectively. Furthermore, the May 2004 survey found that 80% of all Israelis hold that the Israel Defense Forces have succeeded in dealing with the Al-Aqsa Intifada militarily. [2]

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All of the architects of the accords listed in the People section are either from Norway or Israel. Is this indeed correct? 209.135.35.83 19:35, 15 Jun 2004 (UTC)

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Should there be a redirect to this page from "Oslo Agreement(s)"?

This stuff is biased

This stuff is biased. Can we have a view from different perspectives? Not only pro-israeli ones? i mean, what was the cause of the al-aqsa intifida? something must have caused it to begin? we need full truth not half truth. you guys are blaming the palestinians as if they were the only ones who crippled the oslo accords

76.20.243.35 02:57, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, people are reading this and they don't need to hear patently false Zionist assertions of hundreds of Israeli's being suicide bombed during this time period. A quick search through Israel's ICT database should make that obvious enough.

my 2 cents

A lot of palestinians feel that the PLO sold them out at the accords, why should palestinians recognise Israel's right to exist, and Israeli's don't have to recognise Palestine's right to exist. The moderate palestinian who accepted the expensive price for peace didn't see any peace, he only saw human right violations, genocide and bulldozers leveling his house with his family still inside and if he defends himself he is labelled a terrorist. Isreal withdraws from an area then wait for an excuse to bomb it and retake it. those are some hints about the causes of the al-aqsa intifida.

I have to agree here. There seems to be a lack of information from the Palestinian perspective.

Stop the Palestinian 'doublespeak'

I made changes to a paragraph since it DID NOT TELL THE ENTIRE STORY. There were 20+ Palestinian terrorist attacks that left 25+ people dead between the signing of the DOP and Baruch Goldstein's shooting spree in Hebron.

Palestinians are always heard on talk shows and radio shows falsely claiming that Goldstein started the attacks. When one looks at REAL facts they realize that what the PLO says is just rubbish based on continuing a campaign of demonization.

Neutrality

In reference to the discussion page:

People should stop trying to present one side as being right, and the other utterly responsible for all violence. A careful examination of the events will show clearly that leaders on both sides have been working hard to perpetuate violence. I wrote about this in my blog [3], but didn't want to put it on the article page, lest someone considers it inappropriate. So I'm leaving it here on the discussion page. Instead of trying to point out what the "other side" did wrong, how about finding the truth and registering the course of events?

Saying that "it's no one's fault" is not neutral. That is a very specific conclusion. The way some articles deal with this problem is by stating each side's claims in separate sections.

After all, that's what NPOV is all about, and I think this article has aimed well at doing so. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.180.175.153 (talk) 23:00, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit-warring

I see that there have been some disputes at this article for the last couple weeks. Please folks, remember that edit-warring is a completely ineffective way of getting your preferred changes to stick on an article. As soon as there is a dispute, please explain the disagreement at the talkpage, so that other editors can understand what's going on, to see if a compromise is possible, and to allow other editors to comment on how to proceed. Just battling it out in edit summaries is not the way to go. See also Wikipedia:Dispute resolution. --Elonka 14:42, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Acceptance of the Accords

Hi there. I've corrected the wording of the sentence referring to Israel's settlement policy after signing the Oslo Accords. In fact, the growing of the settler's population did not slow down but continued as before, also the building activity was not only 'inside existing settlements' but around those and sometimes quite far away, thus expanding very much the surface occupied by settlers even if no "new" settlements were declared. Added 1 source (there was none before). For any doubts, I'm ready to discuss here and give more sources. Cheers Ilyacadiz (talk) 16:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Please see your source on the construction of housing units before and after the Oslo accords. Statesman1 (talk) 18:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello Statesman1, sorry but I undid for the moment your revision and rewrote the text, mainly because you messed up the source reference, so I couldn't check its accuracy. I apologize for undoing, it was just needed to get again working the source I added (FMEP). It should be of course noticed that the construction of housing units slowed down sharply, so I put this in the text, but the source is needed, and then I don't think that the number of units is the only factor to be taken into account when talking about settlement policies. As to where the Palestinians build, I deleted this, as it is completely irrelevant: there was no promise in the Oslo Accords that they would stop constructing in the land that was to be, in a later stage, their state. Also Israel cannot "cede" States land, as it does not own it. I don't recall that constructing in area C was something not allowed under the Oslo Accords, if you think so, please give the source. Thanks Ilyacadiz (talk) 20:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Here is the link to your same source so that you can have full confidence over its accuracy.

http://www.fmep.org/settlement_info/settlement-info-and-tables/stats-data/housing-starts-in-israel-the-west-bank-and-gaza-strip-settlements-1990-2003

Israel's self-imposed ban on new settlements and diminished construction of housing units in existing settlements clearly indicate the settlement policies.

In addition to areas A & B Israel ceded vast State lands in return for broken promises. Why ignore the Palestinians illegal building in the remaining area C administered by Israel? Statesman1 (talk) 12:07, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello Statesman1, you must really excuse my reverting your reverse, as this is the only way I have to get my source 9) working (by your reverse of my edits you inadvertently broke the link, I'm afraid). Thanks for providing the source for your information of the housing units, I've included it - a little shortened to the two main data as not to sprinkle too many figures in the sentence - with source 10, as you see, now both work. I've also corrected the housing figures you gave as they appeared to be very slightly different from the figures given in the source, probably just a summing error, I would be glad if you checked the accuracy, if I've made a mistake there or took the wrong column, please correct it.

I've also re-included -somewhat shortened- your sentence that Palestinians built in C-Area (I deleted that they did it in A and B area, as this would appear just as normal business and therefore irrelevant). I repeat that I strongly object to this sentence, as I can't recall any instance where Palestinian construction activity in C-Area has been labelled by an Israeli government instance as an obstacle for peace or a breach of trust. So I insiste, I put the sentence back for the moment, but in order to keep it we must give a source that shows how this building activity was seen as an obstacle for the implementing of the Oslo Accords. Please look for one.

You may feel that the article should be NPOV and balanced towards Palestinians and Israel, I agree on that, but I think in the next sentence about shootings and attacks a very good reason is given why Israel considered that the Accords where not implemented by the Palestinian Authority. I just can't recall that buildings in Area C were considered by Israel as an major obstacle, whereas settlement building or expansion was indeed labelled as a major obstacle by Palestinian officials. Do you think we should give a source for that also? I can look for it. Thanks. Ilyacadiz (talk) 13:17, 12 October 2008 (UTC)