Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Half-Life 2 episodes/archive1

Half-Life 2 titles

Gary King (talk) 19:43, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

• Comment: Here's the link for the Half-Life 2: Episode Three peer review. (Guyinblack25 ^talk 21:10, 10 September 2008 (UTC))
• Support - Nice work. This has a large amount of overlap with the orange box topic, which is unprecedented, though not unnatural I feel. So this gets my support - rst20xx (talk) 00:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
• Strong oppose for the reason of overlap. I have nothing against the articles, but I would far rather see a featured topic for the Half-Life series as a whole, including Half-Life (video game), Half-Life: Opposing Force, Half-Life: Blue Shift and Half-Life: Decay. Making this a featured/good topic would mean that in the future there would be three featured topics with the articles for Half-Life 2, Episode One and Episode Two, as there's already overlap with The Orange Box featured topic. I strongly recommend a FTC on any Half-Life series articles is just left alone until the articles related to Half-Life 1 and the series article are improved to good article status or higher, so we can have a complete topic detailing the series in its entirety with minimal overlap. -- Sabre (talk) 10:38, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

  I don't agree with this. An overall Half-Life series topic isn't ready yet, but when it is, I'm sure what would happen is that this topic would be folded into that one, not that they would both exist. See also Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Characters of Castlevania: Aria of Sorrow and Dawn of Sorrow - rst20xx (talk) 15:17, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Yep; we can just build up, either with a new nomination or with supplementary ones. Gary King (talk) 15:18, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Alright, if we can transform this into a Half-Life series featured/good topic when the HL1 articles reach good article status, then I lend my support to this. -- Sabre (talk) 14:18, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

• Support - Nice subtopic for the Half life featured topic. Meets all the criteria. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 18:30, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
• Support But I am not sure about the title. Zginder 2008-09-14T00:19Z (UTC)
• Comment Half-Life 2 is currently at FAR. Pagrashtak 04:23, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose - so close, but Half-Life 2 is now at FAR, so that's no good there. --PresN (talk) 04:25, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

It did make GA before getting promoted to FA, so if it was demoted would it just revert to GA and therefore be acceptable here? --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 14:28, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

It would drop to B. Gary King (talk) 14:29, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

It would become unassessed, but not GA. Zginder 2008-09-18T15:28Z (UTC)

Arg. It seems very unfair, but I don't feel this can pass until the FAR is over - rst20xx (talk) 16:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Why unassesed? It was passed as a GA, and it did not go through a GAR. Nergaal (talk) 00:00, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Because it loses its GA status when it becomes a FA. sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 16:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

I believe FAs should be a subset of GAs, but I guess this is not the place to discuss it. Nergaal (talk) 16:20, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

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• On hold - I guess this nomination should be considered on hold pending the outcome of the Half-Life 2 FTR, and then either promoted or not promoted depending on what that outcome is - rst20xx (talk) 23:44, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

  Yep that's fine with me. I'm obviously hoping that the FAR will pass; it currently looks that that's the way it's headed, because there are a few people pitching in to help out. Gary King (talk) 23:54, 20 September 2008 (UTC)

• Support - Review is about to close favorably, path is clear to make this a Good Topic. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 20:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
• FA review has closed with the article being kept as a FA. There shouldn't be any more barriers to this becoming a GT. -- Sabre (talk) 13:21, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
  • I'm inclined to leave it up for a couple more days so people can check it over for any other objections, but yes, well done with the FAR - rst20xx (talk) 16:11, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
• Object to the name I believe the "episodes" label is misleading. The main article is not an episode, and the episodes are actually expansions. Why not simply have it as "HL2"? Nergaal (talk) 20:37, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

  The main article doesn't need to be an episode. Just like Noble gas is itself not a noble gas. The episodes are still episodes, just like Star Wars episodes. Gary King (talk) 20:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

  I don't see the connection. Noble gas describes each of the gases, while here, HF2 is a standalone game&article, and the episodes are continuations/expansions. As I've said, the label episodes is misleading, and I would rather prefer something extremely akward like "standalone-games" or "releases" rather than something that is misleading; HL2 the game, is not episode 0 nor covers the other episodes. Nergaal (talk) 22:59, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

  "Half-Life 2 titles"? Then all we need to do is knock off the "2" when HL1 stuff gets around to being integrated. -- Sabre (talk) 23:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

  Hm, I think there are a few other games that have "Half-Life 2" in their title, aren't there? I think my Star Wars example is similar to this situation; it isn't a reason to go through with this, but it does describe it fairly well in my opinion. These are episodes of Half-Life 2, as officially described by Valve themselves. Gary King (talk) 00:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

  Yeah, I agree with Gary. A "Half-Life titles" topic would also need to include Half-Life 2: Lost Coast, Half-Life 2: Deathmatch (not sure this should have been merged myself), probably Half-Life 2: Survivor, and maybe also Codename: Gordon and The Orange Box - rst20xx (talk) 09:14, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

  Half-Life 2 Deathmatch was merged because there simply isn't much to say about it - no real development info, no major reception, not even much to say on gameplay. A large bulk of the article was game guide content, and as its just Half-Life 2 in multiplayer, its far easier to cover it within the main Half-Life 2 article. -- Sabre (talk) 11:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

  I would think it's notable enough for its own article, and capable of GA, but anyway, this is a bit off topic now - rst20xx (talk) 13:41, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

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• Comment - if possible, I am disinclined to promote this topic until the name dispute is resolved, as renaming categories is a right pain. Can I propose we have a quick vote on which name people would prefer? I'll go first - rst20xx (talk) 22:58, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
• Support current "Half-Life 2 episodes" name over all other possible names - per the arguments of Gary King above - rst20xx (talk) 22:58, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
• Oppose current name. I have to say I agree with Nergaal. If the lead article just focused on the episodes that would be one thing, but from what I can tell it focuses almost entirely on a separate game. I think either "Half-life 2 titles" or "Half-life 2 series" would be a more appropriate name for this topic. I've looked at all the other articles rst20xx mentioned, and I don't think a name change would require the inclusion of any of those articles. The only one that might should be in would be the arcade game version, but from what I can tell it doesn't seem to be in the same continuity as the main Half-life 2 so I would be inclined to say it's not necessary either. Rreagan007 (talk) 13:55, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

  "Half-Life 2 titles" sounds good to me as it's not really a wholly separate series. Gary King (talk) 17:23, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

  second to the "titles" proposal Nergaal (talk) 20:00, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

  I have renamed the topic. Gary King (talk) 20:04, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

• Promote under any name the criteria does not say anything about having an good title, opposes for a bad title are non-actionable. Zginder 2008-10-12T17:31Z (UTC)
• Oppose the topic now under the new name. It clearly does not include all the Half-Life 2 titles, Half-Life 2: Lost Coast and Half-Life 2: Survivor are missing, so to promote it under this name would IMO be cherrypicking. To promote it under the "episodes" name would be fine, a la the Star Wars topic - rst20xx (talk) 00:23, 13 October 2008 (UTC)