Talk:Omega-level mutant

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okay why did someperson delete my list and explantion of omega level persons and just replace it with their own. --Zib 17:17, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

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Contents 1 In the comics: 2 Stop with the constant editing 3 Speculatory Fun 4 Explain this to me 5 The Summers 6 Shi'ar 7 Ultimate Mutation equals Phoenix? 8

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In the comics it says what an omega level mutant is, when Jean found it on Xaviers computer. It says that an Omega level mutant is a mutant who's powers have unlimited potential. Not like other mutants like Xavier or Wolverine, who's powers will never develope further than their limit. All they can do is learn to use them better. But a mutant like Iceman will be able to control more water and freeze more stuff and do more with his powers then he could before. And Franklin Richards' powers will develop more so that he will have more access to reality infintely. It's not limited to one attribute, it can be anything, but with infinte potential for growth.

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Stop with the constant editing IMO, and to be bluntly honest, this page gets edited more than porn entries. I've decided to set it up this way to help editors and the like be able to give reasons why they "think" a mutant is an Omega Level. A lot of people seem to be mixing up the difference between and Omega mutant and an Alpha mutant. So hopefully this will at least create of form of unity. But by in large using UXN as a source it's pretty safe to say that Magneto, Charles, Rachel and Apocalypse are Alpha-Level mutants. Originalsinner 03:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

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There's all sorts of crap going on here. Can everybody who has an opinion about how this article ought to be, please state what information this article could contain? -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 03:57, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

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You're telling me. There was SOOOO much damn speculation and wishful thinking about who was an Omega etc mainly because Marvel hasn't addressed it yet... if they will at all. So I know that it should state what an omega is blah blah... and also who are the only confirmed... seen in print in an actual comic with the word "Omega" or "Omega-Level". I'm not sure whether it should have the "possible Omega's" and definitions of "Alpha/Beta/Epsilon-Delta" mainly coz the other classes haven't been explained yet and that "possible" equals "i think that..." or "i feel that" a.k.a. speculation. Ugh this is giving me a headache again... Originalsinner 08:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

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Speculatory Fun OK We've established that unless Squirrel Girl becomes Galacti-Squirrel during Civil War, she is not an Omega.

Others I have my doubts on that have been mentioned are:

Sunfire Scarlet Witch - I still reckon it was more magic than her mutant hex powers that created the House of M Professor X Magneto - mainly because of his external power boosts he needed. Magma X-Man - because his powers could burn out although he did kinda transcend at the end of his series. Cable - half n half but may have suffered the same burnout Nate did. Spoiler warning: Plot and/or ending details follow. I'm also having my doubts on Vulcan and Mr. M. None of the otherSummers boys are Omega. He may just be extremely powerful. And Mr. M was not mentioned as an Omega in X-Men: The 198 Files or the 198 limited series yet.

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Originalsinner 11:21, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Let's see:

Sunfire and Magma don't really seem to remotely come close to being Omega-Level, IMO. I don't think there's a very good case for Xavier, but I can possibly see Magneto as an Omega, despite his enhancements. Since most of the enhancements lie on his pre-existing abilites, that at least implies the possibility of him reaching that level without them. And if Magneto can control particulate matter, possibly on the sub-atomic structure, which has been hinted at, then I think he qualifies. I agree with you on the Scarlet Witch; her mutant power is her ability to connect with chaos magic, it doesn't seem to relate to the amount of power behind it. Chaos magic was something Wanda subconciously made up to cope with her vast power levels. The recent comics just state she has control over magic. Whether she has control over all types of magic or a specific type is still unknown. But all the stuff she did in the House of M was from her own powers (until someone retcons it). 01:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

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I'm unwilling to categorise Vulcan yet, not until we know more about him. Mr. M and X-Man appear to be Omega to me, due to demonstrated abilities. Cable? Hard to say, his character's so complicated. I'm not even sure which Cable's which anymore, I've seen different versions of Cable to different things in different timelines. Who knows anymore? -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 22:33, 25 February 2006 (UTC) Vulcan is clearly stated to be "at least Omega-Level" by Emma Frost using Cerebra in Deadly Genesis #1. There you go. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 23:44, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

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Explain this to me Okay, so an Omega-level mutate is one who can "exist beyond the physical realm", right? Now, I've not read X-men Forever yet, but how the bejeezus can Elixer and Icemans powers let them do that?

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Howdy, well Omega level is kinda hard to explain since Marvel is so flippant on it at the mo. I know that Iceman was said to be one because he can survive as ice (and as water I think) which means that he can "transcend beyond the physical realm". Josh (Elixir), was told he was Omega because his healing powers manipulates down to the genetic level compared to other healers who just heal. Does that even make sense? Anyways, I have no idea how he would transcend... maybe he becomes a vaccine or something :P I'll think I'll throw this q over to Tim or Apostrophe. They should answer y'all soon. Originalsinner 21:30, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

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I have no idea. I'm just here to deter speculation. ' (Feeling chatty? ) (Edits!) 22:12, 3 March 2006 (UTC) Hah. Now it's down to Tim. Granted I was only here because the page looked ugly when I first stumbled across it. I'll see what the UXN forum has to say about it but you're gonna have to wait a bit.Originalsinner 23:34, 3 March 2006 (UTC) Oh, lucky me. Maybe Elixir could use his powers to alter something's molecular structure, and send his consciousness off to it? That's just a guess...I always thought his was more of the *potential* to be Omega. (Damn you, Marvel, and all your waffling!) -Tim Rhymeless (Er...let's shimmy) 10:11, 4 March 2006 (UTC) What's with Elixir? His power does not, even in potential, meet any of the criteria, except immortality and that would put Apocalypse and Selene and Exodus on there first. Elixir is no threat. One mention by Beast, should not be enough. It could be throw away. This list should be conservative. Jean Grey and Quentin are about the only ones who've had the name mentioned as Omega a dozen times or more for them in cannon.

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Magma's potential seems obvious to me. Like Storm's (and note her evolution during "The Twelve"). But nobody's called them that so they're not. Yet.

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The Summers I'm not sure about this but, isn't basically the entire Summers family Omega level? Cyclopse, Jean Grey, Havac, Nate Grey, and all the other expansions of their family from alternate universes? Or what about Gambit, who it was revealed in his second series I think to be Mr. Sinisters geneticly perfect version of the Summers's gene line. Or something like that. But hell, he was supposedly a god in another dimension (the One Son or something like that)--Torourkeus 20:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

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Shi'ar and Omega Threats Someone keeps editing this page to take out any mention of the Shi'ar - as if they didn't want to execute Jean, Quentin and Rachel because of their potential to become omega and start destroying Shi'ar planets like Jean (and Galactus - also put on Shi'ar trial) did. What's your problem? You can't "win" that way. You can delete. I can add it back. At least I leave the things you don't like and what I'm adding is cannon.

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Ultimate Mutation equals Phoenix? I don't think it's cannon that Pheonix is the ultimate mutation, that everyone is going to become their own Phoenixes. (Is Iceman about to become Phoenix?) It's also been argued, hasn't it, that there is just one Pheonix, and the omega mutant threat is that the Phoenix can use omega mutants as hosts.

Many see Phoenix as a cosmic entity that Omega's host, not become

The Dark Phoenix Saga involved an Omega mutant, Jean Grey hosting the Phoenix Force, which was refered to by the Shi'ar as "the nexus of all psionic energy which does, has, and ever will, exist in all realities of the multiverse. During its time as a sentient entity, it was known to possess the psyche of mortals (particularly those who happen to be telepaths) and thus amplify their psychic abilities to a cosmic (and in some cases, nearly incalculable) scale. Its primary form is that of a gigantic firebird." In X-Men: Pheonix: End Song, the Shi'ar attempt to kill both Jean Grey and Quentin Quire as they are omega-level telepaths who might host the Phoenix Force. In Uncanny X-Men #467, the Shi'ar kill most of Jean Grey's relatives in order to prevent another host for the Phoenix, but Rachel Grey survives.

Franklin Richards to become a Celestial

"Franklin was confronted by Ashema the Celestial, who revealed the truth about the fate of the heroes: in a last, desperate attempt to reach his parents, Franklin created an entire pocket dimension, where the heroes were "reborn," and "rediscovered" their powers. Ashema told Franklin that he must choose a world to destroy, since both could not exist at the same time any longer. She essentially said that Franklin had the power of a Celestial himself. "

This seems to disprove that all Omega mutants become the Pheonix, an entity older than mankind with other roles in the Universe. If Franklin becomes a Celestial, then how do all Omega's become the phoenix? I think that theory may need retconning.

I dont think all Omega's become Phoenixes. All Omegas become universal forces like Celestials, Death, Eternity, etc. Jean becomes the Phoenix.

Dispute over criteria for Omega-Level Mutant

Perhaps the various parties can bring into the article actual quotations from Marvel publication's source material as to who is precisely "Omega Level" and this should be the criteria of which the article is to be based upon. Netkinetic 01:00, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The Summers

Not all the Summers are Omega-Level. Cyclops and Havok are definitely not, Vulcan is. I think that the Grey-Summers are all potential Omega-Levels. Besides Jean and Rachel who are confirmed omegas, both X-Man and Cable are at least high alpha-level mutant. They're not omegas yet.

Nate Grey was supposed to be at the very least the second most powerful mutant ever, with the only maybe-exception being Franklin Richards (who's a confirmed Omega and potentially omnipotent). Cable is (genetically and in terms of potential power) identical to Nate Grey. Though they've not been explicitly referred to as such, the two of them are obviously Omegas.

And on an unrelated note, Amahl Farouk (the Shadow King) is also an obvious Omega, given that the definition is "a mutant with the potential to exist beyond the physical realm and consciously explore the metaphysical". Farouk already has done that. 71.236.33.191 09:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Farouk was cast out of his body, he did not evolve into a being of psychic energy. He's pretty much like Malice, but with telepathic powers.--Gonzalo84 20:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Still, if the definition of an Omega listed here is correct, a mutant who for whatever reason has no physical form must be one. Malice, IIRC, does have a physical form. It's just that it's a necklace, rather than a human body. 71.236.33.191 01:41, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Definition of Omega has nothing to do with bodies or whatnot. Also no one is considered Omega until confirmed in canon, and Nate Grey, Cable and the like have NOT been confirmed.

We have a canon definition of an Omega-level mutant. If a mutant overtly fits that definition, he's an Omega even if no other character has specifically called him one. BTW, I'm pretty sure I remember Onslaught calling Cable an Omega. Redxiv 21:14, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Can we please stop putting our personal views about who should or should not be Omega in this article. Why does a power level classification ALWAYS attract this kind of nonsense. Just go by what the books have said. "It is highly unlikely that these power classifications are accurate" is pure POV and also wrong, because Omega is above all a classification of unlimited potential, not current power levels. Storm would slaughter Elixir in a fight right now but Elixir is still an Omega and Storm is not until future notice.

Elixir

Please - you've got one single comment, never repeated, for Elixer and are willing to go into the trenches for him. A decent standard would be to wait for any confirmation, a second character, or the same character with a different writer, to make sure it isn't ignored or retconned like so many things. But no, you like Elixer. His "omegadom" hasn't surfaced like anyone elses, but who cares, a writer got a comment in and without a second confirmation anywhere, it's plenty good enough for you. He's down like Jean Grey. It's over-eager. It's impatient.

You can have your little-better-than-speculation on there if it gives you so much joy. But then the site is "disputed".