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Kerry King

Hey. The main problem with the article is that it is written more like a fan site, and assumes that the readers are also fans. For example, the Style paragraph, the main part of the article, is full of unsourced technical information written very informally. The snakes paragraph similarly doesn't contain a single source. I'd try and find interviews where he describes his playing style; here's a couple that'll hopefully help[1], [2]. Any more problems, just ask. Cheers, SteveLamacq43 14:02, 19 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Slayer

You're doing an excellent job with Slayer lately. Just wondering, do you mind using the {{cite web}} template on the references? Please refer to the WP:CITE for more information. Oh and since you haven't got a proper welcome yet:

Welcome!

Hello, M3tal H3ad, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Michaelas10 (Talk) 17:57, 30 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good enough. But.. there seems to be no source mentioned on the logo image. Michaelas10 (Talk) 09:39, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a couple "citation needed" tags to the article, hope you can work these out. Right now, I say the article is about half-way to good article status, it still needs a lot of clean-up, copyediting, and citations work done. Michaelas10 (Talk) 13:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I see many problems with the "controversy" section. It has many facts which do not provide a reference to why they are controversional among the general public, and ~~there is nothing written there about the Christ Illusion cover controversy~~. Michaelas10 (Talk) 10:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've added the image at the section. Feel free to remove the text about SS-3 if you are sure it is original research. Michaelas10 (Talk) 12:33, 2 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Slayer

Well I'm not an expert on the topic, so can't be sure it meets the comprehensive aspect of FA, but it seems close to being a FAC. I suggest that you wait for the peer review to close first and have another shot at getting GA status first. Obviously as you said make sure there are no {{fact}} when you submit for GA/FA and also you should try to make stub articles for any red links (Tony Scaglione for example). It does take time but it's highly worth going through each stage as you'll have more chance of succeding at FAC first time. Good luck! Alexj2002 09:45, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Some advice

Hi, i noticed you review a lot of FACs. I have recently been doing a lot of work on Slayer to get it up to FA status. Perhaps you could take a quick browse and point out any thing thats missing or not written well. If you don't, thats fine as i see you're very busy. Thank you for you time :) M3tal H3ad 06:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm really swamped for the next few days (both in real life and on Wiki), and should be able to get to it by the weekend. Can you make that timeline a bit smaller - it wraps off my screen. If I forget to review it by this Sunday, pls do ping me again - I'm so busy, I might forget :-) Sandy (Talk) 21:23, 6 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Timeline is much better - the article is in good shape, and the structure looks sound (WP:MOS, WP:LAYOUT, etc.).
Expand the lead - see WP:LEAD. Three solid paragraphs, that summarize the article well, and are compelling and brilliantly written (but leave that work til last, after a thorough copyedit).
Too many fair use images - this isn't an area I understand well, so I suggest you ask Jkelly (talk · contribs).
Although it's technically OK to label your History sections by decade, it would be much more interesting if you would label the sections according to some natural breaks in the group's history, with descriptive titles. History has a way of not going in tens :-) Find some more natural timeline according to the group's history, and label those periods and write around them.
What are EPs ? (sorry :-)
Who is Walser ? (Walser, pg. 14 )
Consistency in ref style - put last name first on all author names.
Angelfire is a personal website - are you sure that is a reliable source? Self-published sources rarely are. Many of us who review articles at FAC don't support articles which rely on fan sites or personal sites, and prefer to see news sources or hard print books, so go through your references with a careful eye towards the quality of references.
Consistency in ref style - we don't know where this ref comes from (specify site, as you did on others.) Less Than Zero CD. Retrieved on 2006-11-29.
You have some sources listed as from Kerrang, when the site is Rockonthenet. Make sure all of your references are listed in a consistent style.
Picking a random section to check prose and refs:
- (This is not a sentence.) Vocal overdubs on "Temptation" and a child's voice pleading underneath the track "Dead Skin Mask" about necrophile Ed Gein–as well as the title track, which originally made use of a flute.
- (This is not a sentence - subject, predicate?) Released on September 14, 1993 entitled "Disorder" though was actually a medley of three Exploited songs, "War", "UK '82", and "Disorder".
- 1990s is just a retelling of what they did in the 90s, without imparting any significance or encyclopedic commentary to those events. It's not woven into a compelling story of the group history. For example, why Dahmer? Why have relations between Kerry King and Robb Flynn badly deteriorated? What is the significance of these events?
- (This sentence needs a grammar/punctuation check.) A second lawsuit, an amended complaint for damages against Slayer, their label and other industry and label entities, was dismissed, Judge E. Jeffrey Burke stating "I do not consider Slayer's music obscene, indecent or harmful to minors"
- Slayer have been accused of holding Nazi sympathies, (by whom?) basing this claim (grammar problem there) on the lyrics of the song "Angel of Death". The lyrics were inspired by the acts of Josef Mengele, (according to whom?) This needs to be sourced.
Generally, it looks well referenced, although you should check the veracity of your sources, but I think you need to get a new set of eyes, not familiar with your text, but who knows the territory, to do a very thorough copyedit. Try asking Deckiller (talk · contribs) or LuciferMorgan (talk · contribs) if they know of copyeditors who work on music articles. Good luck !! Sandy (Talk) 23:30, 9 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure of whom to nominate as a possible person who might copyedit the article - metal isn't loved by the right people on Wikipedia. Having said that, the article makes a lot of elementary mistakes which should be easy to spot - a lot of sentences aren't actually sentences as Sandy has stated. As concerns Flynn, I don't really see the significance - King has criticised Iron Maiden, Cradle of Filth, Metallica; the list goes on and on. LuciferMorgan 20:07, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also, as someone who used to do interviews for them (Anthony Morgan), I wouldn't use Rockdetector as a source for biographical info. The site has been heavily criticised for its inaccuracies. LuciferMorgan 20:12, 10 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the King and Flyyn incident should be mentioned as in the reference Flynn considered King a friend until things turned sour. These two bands toured together and havent toured together since, so i believe its worth to mention that. M3tal H3ad 03:29, 11 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Slayer work

Hey dude, thanks for the kind words on the Megadeth article. I think the Slayer article still needs work - expansion, formatting, and more of an overall formal tone. Some sections sound choppy, such as:

"Early in 1982, Jeff Hanneman was with a friends band and noticed Kerry King trying out for the position as guitarist. They started talking, picking up their guitars and playing together. King asked Hanneman if he wanted to make a band with him, Hanneman agreed. King previously knew bassist and vocalist Tom Araya from a previous band."

A lot of that stuff is unnecessary, like: "They started talking, picking up their guitars and playing together. King asked Hanneman if he wanted to make a band with him, Hanneman agreed." These sentences could be left out completely, and the first few lines could read somthing like:

In 1982, Kerry King met Jeff Hanneman and formed Slayer. The two recruited bassist & vocalist Tom Araya, who had played with King in a previous band, and drummer Dave Lombardo, who met King while delivering pizzas.

A lot of sentences are also getting chopped up, and left incomplete. One example: "While Mustaine wanted King to stay on a permanent basis." is not a complete sentence.

Now that Megadeth is out of the way, I should have more time to work on the article, continue the expansion and improve the prose. Also, I still intend to get those song samples up, I have just been busy at home lately (I edit at work, but can't upload songs here). Keep up the good fight! \m/ Skeletor2112 11:06, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned fair use image (Image:Sshot-02.gif)

Thanks for uploading Image:Sshot-02.gif. I notice the 'image' page currently specifies that the image is unlicensed for use on Wikipedia and may only be used on Wikipedia under a claim of fair use. However, the image is currently orphaned, meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the image was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. You may add it back if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that images for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable under fair use (see our fair use policy).

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uhh i uploaded that like 4 months ago, go ahead and delete it. M3tal H3ad 08:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Slayer

I agree that it could be an A-class article and I intended to message you about that. It's generally not practice to rate anything above a 'B' on that page, though I agree that the wording is ambiguous on that point. The reason for this is that there have been several cases where someone has assessed an article 'A' which subsequently failed 'GA'. Since all 'A' articles are supposed to be better than 'GA', this is a problem. So, I recommend submitting it to Wikipedia:Good articles/Candidates. JRP 03:58, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do me a favor though? Can you rate or "on hold" Charles Edward Magoon off of Wikipedia:Good articles/Candidates. I know you assess there frequently. I won't be able to be on Wikipedia for a week or so because of the holiday and don't want it failing when I'm not around to fix it. (I'm considering helping assess articles there, but not quite ready yet. I've been reading all of the "Fail" messages to try and get a better handle on criteria before I start. I don't want to be the weak link in that process...) JRP 04:06, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! Just what I wanted. I've done a number of fixed now, so please feel free to take a look. Otherwise, I'll edit some more tomorrow when I'm more awake. JRP 05:09, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

On Halo 2's GA nom

I thought I would point out that while some of your suggestions are valid and I will try and rectify in a speedy manner, some of your suggestions have no basis in precendent or criteria. Specifically: six references in the lead, it should contain none or very little. Remember it is a summary of the article where information will be referenced in the body ... um... take a look at featured articles, such as Halo:Combat Evolved, Torchic, et al. References in the header are not a problem, and GA criteria says nothing about references. David Fuchs (talk • contribs) 21:51, 24 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Slayer PR

I just contributed a whole bunch to that PR and I thought I'd give you a heads-up so you could have a look. I hope it's useful. Good luck with the article! Seegoon 21:07, 25 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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+:uhh i uploaded that like 4 months ago, go ahead and delete it. [[User:M3tal H3ad|M3tal H3ad]] 08:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
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