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Archive 3 is now up. I tried to just delete the non article related/off topic conversation that was clogging the page, but it was still pretty unwieldy. The only topics that were alive and current to the articles content (as far as I can see) were the one on the alleged Asperger's Syndrome and possibly the one about his former bodybuilding career.

Please don't use the talk page for discussion on Cenas talent or any ongoing angles/gimmicks with him or anyone else. The talk page is for discussion on the articles content only.-- bd (talk to me) (watch me) 05:37, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Triple Crown

Cena is the 18th, not 8th Triple Crown Champion, because his page has been blocked due to vandalism, i can't change it. some one with power, please do

Images

Where has the picture of Cena winning the belt at Wrestlemania 21 gone to and I would like to ask the same about the picture of him with the his custom United States Championship. We also need a picture with his current Chain Gang Assult Batalion shirt because it deals with the release of his movie The Marine. Could someone please add them back. Thank you.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.137.8 (talk)

"Fair use" images have been deleted as they added nothing to the article. His having a new shirt to promote his movie isn't notable. «»bd^{I'm cool!}I'm cocky! _{I'm bad!} 06:16, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I hugely disagree. Him staring in a movie is a huge thing for any person and there should be something to represent his new soldier gimmic. And could someone possibly add on a picture of Cena's Custom U.S and WWE titles. Thank you.

His movie is important, and is mentioned. The shift to a "soldier" gimmick is mentioned too, though it should be under 2006, where I shall add it. Having a shirt made, however, it is not important. Noting that would open a door to mention every time a wrestler has a new shirt made to go with a new gimmick or catch phrase. I don't know where the title belt pictures went, but I'll try to replace them in a second. «»bd(^talk _stalk) 01:03, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I saw that you added the images of the titles. Thank you very much. These are very important due to the fact that he designed the spinner version of the U.S. Title and co-designed the spinner WWE Championship with Vince McMahon.

If Cena deisgned either, no wonder they Suck as titles. I believe that his movie should be mentioned, but this list of adding pictures because it relates to him is absurd. The Custom US and WWE titles will be on their respective pages.Surely?--Frontiers Of Honour 20:28, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Absurd, and illegal. -- THL 20:42, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

I will have to disagree with you on this one. They were custom titles that only Cena wore (With the exception of the WWE Championship which was held by Edge {Rob Van Dam DOESN'T COUNT}. They should be on his page just as the Bramah Bull Title of The Rock's should be on his page and the Smoking Skull WWE Championship on Steve Austin's page. Big Boss 0 19:18, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Alright. I'll try look for a picture of a Chain Gang Assault Battalion T-Shirt. Also the reason why Cena turned the US & WWE Title to a spinner belt IS A STORYLINE. Vince told him to do it. If you don't like that part, blame Vince, not Cena. Factual80man

Like has already been said, there's no need for an image of his t-shirt in this article.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 02:19, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

"Day of Reckoning 2" picture

The article states that the picture showing John Cena giving the FU to Kurt Angle is from the video game WWE: Day of Reckoning 2 but clearly it is not. Somebody, who is not a new member (the article is locked for newer members), should edit the text claiming the picture coming from the video game. 62.65.77.155 14:01, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Protected

I have protected this page! The vandalism on this page is unreal!! I hate Cena as much as the next person, and I think he is terrible in the ring, but this vandalism is just immature and very juvenile! Please no one take off the protection on this page. Thanks. --Fr3nZi3 16:38, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Locks are one of the best things wikipedia has, the vandilism I've seen on pages are HORRIBLE! But i have an idea, what about only someone who vandilized is blocked, or is that possible? Cobra wwe 14:41, 17 December 2006

It is very possible, and what we try to do before protecting a page. There are so many anon vandals on this page that tons of people would have to be blocked, and anon blocks are very short, so they would be back in 2 days. The most efficient way of dealing with this level of vandalism is protection. Cheers, -- THL 19:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, whatever it takes to make wikipedia the best. At least it will keep vandals out and the information protectedCobra wwe 20:30, 18 December 2006 (UTC)Cobra Wwe

I don't know why you're cursing Cena so much. You may hate him. You should only say this,"I hate Cena" then nothing else. Cursing is innapropriate for Wikipedia.User:Factual80man

Wikipedia, especially its article talk pages, is not the place to have fan discussions. Your like, dislike, or any other feelings regarding a wrestler or anyone's biography page are not relevant to the content and maintenance of the articles. This space was designed to be used to discuss changes to the articles. Please find a wrestling web site with a forum to discuss such matters further. Thanks. --Naha|^(talk) 21:30, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Five Moves Of Doom

I put down how people attack Cena for his Five moves of doom in hopes that there will be less vandalism, but took it back due to the fact it might be taken as vanalism.

Why bother? The "FMOD" aren't even supposed to be here. Blacklist 03:43, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh, you removed it per above. Good. Blacklist 03:46, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Once again I have to tell you that there are 6 moves in the sequence not 5.

Any moves Cena performs or has performed should be added. It doesnt matter if hes used it once or twice, this is an encylopedia on his entire career not just the last few years. So all the moves a sequences should be included, those people who delete are drinking way to much hate-o-rade.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.69.139.7 (talk)

If we did that the list would potentially become incredibly unwieldy. The current list of signature moves is fine.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 00:36, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

no 1 notices that he isnt dead

Commenting on my edit.

I bolded "Fireman's Carry Powerslam" because thats the version of the FU he does currently. If you want to remove the bold, go ahead, I just thought it would be good to know... TJ Sparks 10:01pm, Nov. 24, 2006 (UTC)

Wooden Leg

I've heard John Cena has a 'wooden / artificial leg'... is this true? 41.243.32.211 11:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

No. -- THL^CCD 12:51, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

That isn't even remotely true. Cena's legs are exposed because of the attire that he wears. Whoever came up with that one must need an eye exam because they would have to be blind to believe that! User: Big Boss 0

WHAT? A wooden leg??? If he did, he couldn't do half the moves that he does. Nothing more then a rumor.Cobra wwe 20:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Or, maybe he doesn't do any moves because he has a wooden leg...ever think of that? Crazycarolina 04:33, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Rumor, you can see his legs on TV, do they look wooden to you? 65.90.51.40 22:46, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I heard jhe has an bionic arm, is this true? lol

How long is this block going to last?

It is not really working as I have seen some vandalism on here even when protected. Registered users who have been here a while can still edit. Even if only administrators can only edit this page, sadly people will just wait, be the best account they can be, ask for administration, then vandalize this page immediately afterwards. Maybe they will get tired of it due to the fact the vandals of this page come in groups. If it keeps getting vandalized to a point they will get bored since everyone is doing it and leave. But then again it might not work since this guy is so hated and if they were to get bored they would have a long time ago. So I guess I am just asking when this page is going to be unblocked so it can be updated more quickly since I always see stuff from a month ago being the end of it. — The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mr Five Moves Of Doom (talk • contribs) 17:42, 8 December 2006 (UTC).--Mr Five Moves Of Doom 17:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Sorry I forgot my sig but it looks like it got added anyway--Mr Five Moves Of Doom 17:44, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Go through the history and look at the page when the lock comes off. Every single time this page is hit incredibly hard and the lock has to come right back on. «»bd(^talk _stalk) 17:55, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

It just happened again. Good Lord people hate on this guy way too much. I don't even know if it is out of hate or they just want to have a page get vandalized so much that the administrators are going to have to think of something crazy to stop it.-- 209.244.43.209 21:33, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

This page should remian locked for a while because idiots keep vandalizing it. At least when it is locked it is harder to get vandalized.User: Big Boss 0

I suspect that User: Crazy Commander is a sockpuppet of User: You're The Man Now Dog.204.42.20.85 20:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

I am not sure if they are the same person. I checked the history but the attacks do seem similar. User: Big Boss 0

The page has now been unprotected per Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Bowser Koopa. --  Netsnipe  ►  03:44, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

As usual the vandals are at it again. Bowser Koopa was only part of the problem please do not unlock this page. It will be much harder to vandalize. Big Boss 0 03:06, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

It is already unblocked. -- THL 03:38, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Well someone blocked it again! Big Boss 0 17:31, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

It was unblocked, then vandalized 15+ times in the span of a day justifying locking it again. Don't look forward to it being unblocked for very long anytime soon because people are going to continue to be childish.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 18:12, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Damn, how about look on the history page for those vandalizing idiots who vandalize this useful site of an Encyclopeda.User:Factual80man

who cares of its unblocked if you like him you wont change it and if you hate him like me you dont care

^WTF are you talking about. User:Factual80man

WWW.mypsace.com/cenaTheMarine (Cenas Real Myspace Pagez0

OMG itz nthaer myZpASe page 4aWrezler yEAH! How do you know that it isn't another fake? -- The Hybrid 04:06, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Military Career??

I recall an episode of some WWE show where Cena was still kind of new, and they showed him in a Marines uniform on the jumbotron - was that just Kayfabe, or was it real?

--Goatrider 03:51, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I believe it was kayfabe because I haven't found anything reguarding it. Big Boss 0 21:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Big Boss 0, you're actually right. We can't look for any facts about that. I'll call you when I found about that information.Factual80man

I think you're thinking of Randy Orton who was in the Marines

Anal sex

Look, there's been no consensus on this, not even any discussion on it. So can anyone explain why you think it's important to talk about a person's views on anal sex in the biography of a wrestler? Of what relevance to his wrestling career is it? Metros232 06:09, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

The discussion took place through edit summaries. In my opinion, no consensus was ever achieved seeing as only three people were involved. I was one of the people for including this in the article, seeing as the sex drive is important to a personality. Cheers, -- THL 06:13, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Looking through the history, I can't find it. Just know that over a period of maybe 6 total edits we reached a quiet understanding, but nothing that counts as a consensus in my view. I'm going to be taking a Wikibreak soon, and I don't really care about this to much, so whatever you and the others decide on will work for me. Cheers, -- THL 06:23, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

How is it not relevent? The section is "personal information" which translates to "personal life." How is his sex life not a part of his personal life?BooyakaDell 06:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I see absolutely no discussion/consensus forming in the edit summaries regarding this. The most I see in terms of discussion is BooyakaDell (talk · contribs) adding it several times, it getting reverted several times, then BooyakaDell saying that it's "absolutely notable" then after it gets reverted again, runs around saying "but it's cited, but it's cited". On December 4th, Mikecraig (talk · contribs) added the comment about where it was relevant or not and it hasn't been answered yet.

So, then let's try to form a consensus now rather than running around claiming that one exists. I'll also post a note to WP:BLPN to see if we can get some outside views of this. A lot of the history of this article is just a mass of reverts and edit warring, so let's put a kabash to that before it starts and form consensus now.

It's my opinion that it is of no relevance to his wrestling. If sex drive relates to personality, shouldn't we then discuss sex lives in every biography if we can? If we find out that George W. Bush also has similar views on anal sex, where do we slot that in, between discussion of 9/11 and Iraq? Metros232 06:37, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

It is relevent to his personal life. I don't think that logic works here...If we find out that George W. Bush also likes Fist of the North Star, where do we slot that in, between discussion of 9/11 and Iraq? That can't be the standard.BooyakaDell 23:21, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Still waiting for response...BooyakaDell 13:33, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

BooyakaDell, you have absolutely no consensus to add this back, why did you do it anyway? Because I hadn't responded yet? Well, God forbid I was busy doing other things in real life and on Wikipedia. You have two editors who want to put it in, two who don't, and another at the discussion at WP:BLPN who also agrees it shouldn't be put in. You have no consensus to add it back yet, so please don't. Metros232 13:36, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Metro, please be civil (WP:CIVIL) and assume good faith (WP:AGF). There is no way that I could have known that discussion was occurring at a particular place (in this case, WP:BLPN) when you never told me or mentioned the discussion in a previous edit. Thank you.BooyakaDell 13:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I am being completely civil here. I would think that with my line "I'll post a note to WP:BLPN to see if we can get some outside views of this" in my 06:37, December 16 2006 edit serves as a pretty good notice of my intention to bring it to WP:BLPN as I did. The only reason I haven't actually linked directly to the section for the discussion there is because the links to individual sections on that board are pretty messy. So, no, I think I gave more than enough mention to you that I was taking it to BLPN. Metros232 13:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Phrases such as "God forbid" are not being civil.BooyakaDell 20:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

Just because something is verifiable doesn't mean it's encyclopedic. On its own the piece of info IMO is sufficiently non-encyclopedic that it should not be included unless the statement itself develops notoriety. That should be able to be established quite easily. If it was just a throw-away statement let it disappear, it's not encyclopedic. If buzz develops around it then add it. Anchoress 10:50, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

As a general rule, I can't see why discussion of activities that a person doesn't participate in would be useful information for Wikipedia, unless there would otherwise be reason to believe that the person might participate in that activity. (For example, if a wrestling storyline involved Cena claiming that he did enjoy anal sex, then it would be relevant to mention that he denied engaging in that in real life.) But a general denial is not worth including. If he appeared on the Food Network and said he didn't eat sardines, or on the Travel Channel and said he had never been to Uganda, I wouldn't support having an item in the article saying, "Cena does not eat sardines and has never been to Uganda." --75.0.154.30 07:39, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Huh...now BooyakaDell's been blocked as a sockpuppet. Interesting. Metros232 18:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

He HAS been concidering using a sit-out firemans carry variant called The Dirty Sanchez on five questions, so I don't see why his anal sex rants shouldn't be heard. -Tagetto 15:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Had to deal with this when that came out. That was a joke. It was an obvious joke. Please don't add it or even consider adding it, it will simply be removed. Either way it has nothing to do with the above issue.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 20:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't considering adding it. If you know what a dirty sanchez is, it should be obvious that it does fit the above issue. Besides, his jokes could have been life related, a life which consisted of possible anal sex. -Tagetto

Nicknames

Hasn't Cena been called "The Doctor Of Thuganomics". I'm sure that when he came into he ring during Wrestlemania 22 that was said. El-Diablo666 19:37, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes I have the Wrestlemania 22 DVD set and he was announced as "The Doctor of Thuganomics". Maybe someone should add this to his page. Big Boss 0 19:19, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

It was his nickname up until he made his new theme song and revamped his gimmick. -- THL 07:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Yes someone should add it. Off topic slighty is anyone watching WrestleMaina 23 next year.El-Diablo666 18:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I created a nicknames section, but we need more to justify it. Cheers, -- THL 23:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I will do a little research into what other nicknames he has. I should have a list by tomorrow. Big Boss 0 23:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I added "Chain Gang Soldier" and "The Champ". The Champ is kinda iffy, but it gives the section something. «»bd(^talk _stalk) 00:05, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Stabbing

What about when Cena was stabbed? Was that real or kayfabe? Should it be added to the article? Cobra wwe 07:53, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Could you give some more details. I think I've heard of what you are talking about, but I can't quite remeber. -- THL 07:55, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

It's mentioned under 2004 when it happened.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 14:30, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

It was kayfabe so that he could film The Marine. Big Boss 0 23:11, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Ah, I see. -- THL 23:17, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

I didn't even see that.....sorry. Cobra wwe 00:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

Yep, that definitly is fake.User:Factual80man

Thank you for letting me clear this up. Thank you Big Boss 0 00:12, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

2007 detail

bvde has a problem with me adding John Cena's other match into the article and I'm tired of reverting, lets discuss.-- Kings bibby win 03:21, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not notable. The Federline match is because it ended that feud.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 14:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• I'm pretty sure the Cena-Federline feud isn't over. Kickurass00 16:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Federline isn't coming back.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 17:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

True, but John Cena F-U'd Federline also. I think it should be added.

-- Kings bibby win 20:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• How do u know Federline isn't coming back ? Kickurass00 20:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Odds are K Fed Ex's involvement in wwe is over. His album didn't even sell 8,000 copies and will be sank financially any day now. His career is as dead as Saddam Hussein. (Do not take this to offense I just needed some guy who died recently to use and he was the first one that came to mind). Anyway it should be kept in the artical. Big Boss 0 21:31, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

• Man... there's a good and a bad site to it:

Good side: We won't see K-Fed anymore !! :) Bad side: The feud ended with Federline winning the match... even though he got FU'd afterwards. Kickurass00 00:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

I just can't believe that that vanilla ice rip off K Fed EX won. How low is that? Big Boss 0 22:08, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

To reiterate what has been decided on, the K-Fed feud is over, so that match was notable and the other one isn't. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 03:10, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Will you please stop w holey reverting edits. You're changing good things as well as what you disagree with. Now, the second match is not notable. I changed it to mention the F-U that you seem to think needs to be mentioned, it doesn't matter that it came in a match.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 16:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank You. Thats all I really wanted. I'm glad that we changed it so BOTH of us agree unlike Somebody.--Kings bibby win 02:21, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

STFU

I see in the body of the article that the STFU is listed as a combination of the "STF" move and the "F-U" finishing move. I read somewhere (and unfortunately cannot find the reference) that it's actually so named after the internet shorthand for "Shut The Fuck Up". Can anyone else confirm this?

Bigsnake 19 02:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

It's both, and used to be in there as such.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 03:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I've never heard that on WWE TV. Only the STF + FU combination was implied when the move was introduced. --Maestro25 20:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

The STFU is an STF, which according to Wikipedia is a submission move invented by Lou Thez, with a U added at the end to match John Cena's other finishing move. It's not a combination of moves, though I have seen him follow the F-U with the STFU. Doublenickle59 23:26, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

The STFU is an STS.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 02:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

He calls it the STFU. The actual name is STF-U. Also Cena calls FU. So what is the FU actually called? Also that pic is way too old. I have a pic of him FU-ing K-Fed so I'll change that image.User:Factual80man

Unless you took the picture of him and Federline, or it's otherwise "free use", we can't have it on thie page.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 15:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

This still sucks. This whole site will get killed if this cannot happen. I'm still going to put him in it or else I'll make threats. This is still a disgrace. That picture's way too old that no one will know how he looks like right now. That's ages ago.User:Factual80man

I have no idea what your complaint is. Cena looks exactly the same now as he does in the picture with Kurt Angle, it's a free image, thus there's no reason to replace it. No matter how many threats you plan yo make. The image is from one year ago, that's not "ages".«»bd(^talk _stalk) 19:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

It stands for Shut The Fuck Up. STFU is the actual name of the move. Wrestlinglover420

Early career...

I think it may be pertinent to mention that Cena's training at UPW was captured on film by the Discovery Channel for their program "On the Inside: Wrestling School".

Champion of Champions

Okay, maybe I missed this... but when they worked this storyline, Booker T was supposed to walk away with Cena's title when he beat him, correct? So... with Cena without a title, how did he magically manage to regain it about two weeks later? It seemed like a glaring inconsistency on the WWE creative team's behalf to me at first but then I considered that maybe I missed something that showed him regaining it. Anyone care to elaborate? --75.2.60.123 19:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

• Hum, Booker wasn't supposed to walk away with Cena's title, since it was the World Heavyweight Championship ("King" Booker's title) that was on the line. Kickurass00 20:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

• Okay, please don't post anything on the talk page if you don't know what your talking about. -- Kings bibby win 01:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Other commercials

Didn't Cena appear in commercials for an energy drink or an herbal supplement or something? «»bd(^talk _stalk) 22:53, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Nevermind, found it, added it.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 22:59, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Conterversy Section

Does Anyone Agree That Cena Should Have A Critsim Or Conterversy Section? eg.5 Moves Of Doom, Wrestling Skill..... (Id Rather Be Hated For Who I Am, Than Loved For Who I Am Not 22:44, 14 January 2007 (UTC))

No. There was one, it has been integrated into the article. There is no need to mention the 5 moves of doom, it's something a small number of internet only fans talk about and is not notable.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 00:37, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

O really? His complete lack of skill and the fact that 95% of wrestling fans hate the guy isn't notable? Ok then...... Killswitch Engage 01:57, 16 January 2007 (UTC)Killswitch Engage

Actually, more then 85% of fans like him. 65.90.51.40 04:22, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Don't confuse "wrestling fans on the internet" with "wrestling fans in general". «»bd(^talk _stalk) 02:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Can we keep the Mark vs. Smark, Cena rocks vs. Cena sucks debate out of this discussion. It is distracting and counter-productive. Besides, no one ever changes their mind about this stuff.

Anyway, I support a controversy section, but for different reasons. Cena has become famous for being controversial. The polarized chants that follow him to certain areas have become his trademark. I understand that it has been integrated into the article, but it would be helpful to organize it all into one section. It would be easier to understand why he is so controversial if it is all there in one section. It is notable because of how famous the polarized chats have become if for no other reason. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 02:08, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

All that stuff, about differing chants in different arenas, had it's own section and it was monstrous and distracting. That's why it was put into the rest of the article. Besides, recently the crowds have been pretty solidly behind him and there's been no reason to mention it.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 02:37, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

It could be done if we work to enforce the rules. I figure that if we demand reliable sources for the facts, and we work to keep the "smark cruft" out, then we could drastically cut down on the size of the section. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 05:32, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

It's been done before. It became a magnet for smark vandalism, and it was constantly changing POV, both positive and negative. Whatever criticism there was, was merged in with the rest of the article chronologically. Blacklist 00:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Feud of the Year

It's been a consensus lately on the Internet, despite Cena's lack of popularity with those fans, that his feud with Edge was the finest wrestling feud of the year, should this be noticable, or should, like the IWC's negative approach to Cena, be shunned in favour of more company-based awards?

Dr. R.K.Z (talk · contribs), 17:53 PM, 16th January 2007 (UTC)

First, nothing is being shunned. Second only actual awards (PWI/WON) are listed. I tried to get RSPW awards listed, but no one else went for it.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 18:12, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Well the RSPW awards aren't so much awards as they're just opinions wrestling fans posted on a website. Pro Wrestling Illustrated is a legitimate professional wrestling publication with no particular loyalty to any wrestler or to any promotion. Of course, you'll always hear someone say the exact opposite if a certain wrestler or wrestlers they're fans of don't do well when the PWI 500 is released every year. However, that's simply fan opinion without any sort of evidence to back it up and POV info is prohibited by Wikipedia policy.Odin's Beard 01:40, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Are'nt PWI publishers "fans" too?

And then there's the Power Slam reader awards and the magazine's regular PS 50, which list people who earn it based on workrate, not on kafabe. There the anti-PWI, but are only regulated to the UK unfortunatly.

I don't blame anyone here for not noticing these awards, I'm just pissed PWI have never moved with the times, and they look ancient going this route.

Dr. R.K.Z (talk · contribs), 17:20 PM, 26th January 2007 (UTC)

Bring it up on the WP:PW talk page.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 17:37, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Injury?

I just read on WWE.com that he might be injured, a ruptured spleen apparently. Is this mere kayfabe? I'm asking because it's presented in the same format that the latest legit injuries that, by the way, seem to plague WWE again after many years. (Triple H). If anyone can research and it turns to be true, please add it. Oh, one more thing i'm curious about. I've been in wikipedia for about 5-6 months, and so far i've never seen this page unprotected. So my question is, how much time before you're not considered a 'new user' and are therefore allowed to edit protected articles? Thanks.Vicius 01:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

kayfabe injury.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 01:46, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

As to your second question, I believe "new user" status goes away after a user has made a certain number of edits to the encyclopedia, not after they have been a memmber for a certain number of days/weeks/months/etc. --Naha|^(talk) 21:21, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

New Years Revolution and Schoolboys

Can it be mentioned that John Cena has won BOTH his New Year's Revolution matches via schoolboy. I only ask because I find this fact absolutely hilarious considering the importance of both matches (An elimination chamber and beating someone with a 7 month long streak). As a secondary point does anyone know whether Cena's difficulty in lifting Umaga was kayfabe or real. I find it hard to believe that a man who can lift the 500 pound big show would have trouble with a guy like Umaga. Natural 20 23:49, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Seems completely non notable what kind of pin was used to end the matches, we don't mention it if a wrestler uses a lateral press at every WrestleMania. And I think you answered your own question on the second one«»bd(^talk _stalk) 23:52, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Triple Crown?

He meets the qualifications now, does he not? Gavyn Sykes 05:25, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

The US Title's standing in the TC Championship is disputed. In my opinion, yes he is, but some others may think otherwise. -- The Hybrid 05:29, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Ah. Well we'll see if they ever acknowledge it. Gavyn Sykes 05:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I am basically being forced to own the Triple Crown Championship article in order to appease these people, which bothers me. I just got someone blocked for adding Cena to the main chart. I'm not enjoying this. -- The Hybrid 05:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

He is a grand slam champion he won the three beltswrestlinglover420 05:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I hate to be captain bring down but to be a grand slam champion you Must win the WWE European Championship. Seeing that it is inactive that is impossible. Big Boss 0 15:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually youre wrong. even though that title is now inactive to be grand slam u must have all 3 titles on one brand he is triple crown champ though i dont know why everyone cant leave it on there its pretty freaking obvious that it is.wrestlinglover420 05:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

no, actually, he's right, in order to be a grand slam champion you must have held all 4 belts at the time the European Title existed. Grand Slam Champions were clearly defined as wrestlers who had held the WWE Title, the IC Title, The Tag Team Belts, and The European Championship. John Cena also never held all the titles on one specific brand. And since it is disputed, as well as the WWE nor Pro Wrestling Illustrated, have clearly stated whether or not the US Title is a suitable substitute to the IC title in crowning one a "triple crown champion", it will not be included in this article. Bmg916 19:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

HOW IN THE WORLD CAN YOU ACTUALLY SAY THAT THE UNITED STATES TITLE ISNT THE SAME AS THE FREAKING INTERCONTINENTAL! seriously it takes a moron not to see that they are on the same level. A moron wrestlinglover420 05:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

I think they are on the same level, and I am not happy about it being in dispute but again I re-state that the WWE nor Pro Wrestling Illustrated have made it clear that the US title counts on the same level, therefore we can't include it in the article. Also, personal attacks and name calling is completely unnecessary. Bmg916 19:55, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

It wasnt neither one of those its fact a moron should even be able to see the facts.wrestlinglover420 05:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

It's not a fact in some people's minds until one of those two governing bodies (WWE and PWI) make it absolutely crystal clear and therefore official that the United States Title counts as part of the qualifications to be considered a Triple Crown champion. Again, the name calling, not necessary. Bmg916 20:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

It states that a "Second-tier" belt is requiered. The US championship IS a second-tier belt, isn't it?

An important thing that not a single person who wants to add this in has addressed yet: who says he's a triple crown champion? Please provide a source that proclaims him as such. Metros232 23:39, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

With vommen sense stuff like this we use WP:IAR. -- The Hybrid

Clearly, though, this isn't common sense. If 75% of people seem to saying "it isn't a triple crown" and 25% are saying it is, I don't quite think it's common sense, Metros232 13:26, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I wasn't saying that the US Title thing is common sense, though I have many times in the past; I was saying that it is pretty obvious when someone is a Triple Crown Champion, so we simply ignore WP:NOR and just add them to the category. Of course, in the case of the US Title, that doesn't work. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 22:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

The second-tier belt of the PROMOTION is required, while the US title may be considered the second-tier belt on SmackDown, it is not considered the second-tier belt of WWE as a whole, therefore it is not considered a Triple Crown. Bmg916 00:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Actually, that isn't right. The dispute is to whether or not the US belt is equal to the IC belt. While it is considered below a world title, it is officially unknown if it is equal to the IC title. Anyway, I understand how everyone feels about the US Title vs. the IC Title. Do you have any idea how bad it feels to get someone blocked when you agree with them? The reason this is a dispute is because the WWE has never called the US Title a second tier belt. While it is generally accepted that it is, it hasn't been explicitly stated. Also, he isn't a Grand slam champion; he is a Triple Crown champion. Remember, a Grand Slam in baseball means 4 runs scored. So, a Grand Slam title means 4 titles won. Cena has only won 3 titles, making him a Triple Crown. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 00:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I think real soon WWE will be clearing this up. Next week if cena is called a triple crown champion (which he is) by J.R. or Jerry Lawler that should clear the dispute. And Hybrid I have a question for you on your talk page. Big Boss 0 01:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Why is there such a argument about this? we all know he is a triple crown champion to say he is not is like saying batista isnt as much champ as cena. why not put it and if we hear something different than we change it? because some people have to think they are right. I'm tired of this frankly wrestlinglover420 01:36, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately, as much as I agree with you about Cena actually being a Triple Crown Champion, until WWE acknowledges it there's nothing we can do about putting it in. *sigh* Bmg916 01:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

In 2002 the US, IC, And Euro Championship were all mereged in to the IC belt. Until Lesner became smack down exclusive then the US was reinstated when the IC became RAW exclusive thus making it a second tier belt on Smackdown and would make Cena a Triple Crown Champion. Westhoff 85 8:19 pm 1/30/2007

Yes, Westhoff, we have agreed on that already. But, what has also been established is the fact that WWE and Pro Wrestling Illustrated have not acknowledged in any official capacity the US Title as an actual second-tier title as part of the Triple Crown criteria, therefore, unfortunately we cannot add it to the article until they acknowledge it as such. Bmg916 02:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

This is less to do with any one person's opinion and more to do with OR, by saying the US title is equal to the IC you may be stating common sense bu tit counts as OR, and that is not what wikipedia is all about. By all means start your own Wrestling Encyclopedia and call Cena, JBL and Big Show triple crown champions, but on Wikipedia the US title does not count as part of the triple crown championship until there is a source other than any Wikipedian just saying it does. Contructive edits are welcomed but as the list of potential wrestlers affected by such a change is just three it means that only five pages need to be monitored to stop this issue from resulting in mass vandalism. Be clear about this the pages for JBL, the Big Show, John Cena, the Triple Crown Championship and Grand Slam champions are being watched and if any mention of the US title as part of a triple crown or grand slam is added it will be reverted. Discussion will continue, however if you want ot e-mail mcmahon.v@wwe.com and get confirmation then this issue will disappear. Darrenhusted 13:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

I find this complete bull! The US title is a second-tier title in the WWE. Just because Wikipedia considers it not to be doesn't mean it isn't. The U.S. title is Smackdown's counterpart of RAW's Intercontinental title. Explain to me other then "we dont think it is" and I might consider you people to have the slightest clue about wrestling. MrTravis

From someone who considers the US Title equal to the IC title, I'll tell you their side of the story. Neither the WWE nor PWI have explicitly stated that the US Title is a second-tier title. As such, whether or not they personally believe it, they feel compelled to keep it out of the main charts at Triple Crown Championship and Grand Slam Championship until a source is found. They say that adding it is a violation of WP:NOR. Wikipedia is neutral. It has no opinion on the matter. If a source doesn't exist, then Wikipedia will not add the material to the article. Wikipedia defines itself as a free, online, neutral, verifiable, and easily correctable encyclopedia. If there isn't a source that explicitly states it, meaning that we don't have to interpret it, all we have to do is repeat it, then we are not allowed to say it. Those are the rules, and we are obligated to follow them. Peace, -- The Hybrid 00:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't the Grand Slam Championship requirements change? Since the World Heavyweight, ECW World Title, WWE tag team, and the U.S. title now exist wouldn't being a grand slam champion mean holding all seven titles including the European Championship at one point in time of their career. Big Boss 0 14:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

In order to be a Grand Slam Champion, the wrestler must have held a World, Second Tier, Third Tier, and Tag Team title at some point. Holding all of the titles for all of the tiers isn't necessary. Cheers, -- The Hybrid 23:41, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

I realize I should be discussing this in the Triple Crown article but, I recived a Wrestling Observer Newsletter, and it stated quote: "With John Cena's World Tag Title victory, he cements himself in a very exclusive club, the Triple Crown, becoming the 20th enterant to the title. Does this count or not every tiem I try and discuss it other places I get shunned. Peace & chicken grease User:The Legendary One 04:24, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

If you don't want to be shunned then sign up for an account. Just a suggestion. Darrenhusted 11:20, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I have an account I was wasnt signed in at the time and thought I was. Peace and Chicken Grease amigo The Legendary One 01:42, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

I agree that the United States Championship should be equal to the Intercontinental Championship but as it has never been officially stated, it must be left out. Maybe the WWE sees the U.S. belt as being less than the I.C. belt but equal to the now defunct European Championship. If that is the case then there would be chances for newer talent to become Grand Slam Champions instead of wrestlers who have already held that particular title. Deep Shadow 06:35, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Why doesnt someone from America write or call PWI and try and get an answer, seems like the most logical step to me, I would be being an Aussie it will cost me more than I get to do it, anyway thats my two cents worth. Peace and chicken grease amigos The Legendary One 02:21, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

I have a slightly different strategy. A science teacher at my school (who I have had in the past) has written to Triple H and got a letter back from him. I could ask him to write a letter to HHH once again. Since he is so high up in the company we might be able to get an answer faster. What do you think? Big Boss 0 02:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Triple H does have a history of personally responding to fan letters, so I don't see why not at least try. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 02:39, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

New Album?

It was said awhile back on WWE.com about Cena coming out with a new album. Does anybody have information about it? I think he still has a contract with Sony/BMG music. -- Weatherman289 05:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Also if he still has a contract with Sony/BMG shouldn't it be included in the article about the Musical aspect of his career? I'm glad Wikipedia unlocked this page. -- Weatherman289 05:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Correction to the above: Cena is on contract with Columbia Records. -- Weatherman289 20:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

If you can cite the contract or the second album go ahead and add it under the music section.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 20:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The problem is there's no way of knowing when the new album is coming out nor the name of it. -- Weatherman289 21:16, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

It can be speculated. He's currently under contract, with a second album being planned.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 21:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

I remember Cena himself saying on 5 Questions with the Champ a long while back that his second album would be coming in 2007. Haven't heard anything since though. User:Jetsmets713

Wikiquote article

Over at Wikiquote, we've had persistent problems with editors creating junk quote articles for wrestlers. One very popular target has been q:John Cena, which I've just locked because, after it was deleted for containing no sourced content, various anonymous editors have been recreating it with silly threats, vandalism, and other irrelevancies.

I'm writing this because I'm hoping that the Wikipedians who are interested in Cena and who have shown that they understand how to reliably source material might want to establish at least a stub article of sourced quotes. Wikiquote could really use a prototype pro-wrestler quote article to show such a thing is possible. If there are any takers, please collect some sourced quotes and respond here, and I'll take down the temporary protection to see if we can do a better job. Thank you very much. ~ Jeff Q (talk) 01:02, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

debut

cena didnt kick out of the angle slam, he simply reversed it. and the angle lock was never locked in —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fredrbp1 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

American Bodybuilding Spokesperson

I cannot do it due to the lock on his page but John Cena is the current spokesperson for American Bodybuilding their products and Gear. WWW.AmericanBodybuilding.com —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.187.200.200 (talk • contribs) 05:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

DVD SALES

Can someone add to the Movies secion of Cena's site that THE MARINE is the #1 DVD and the sales have been very good. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.187.200.200 (talk • contribs) 05:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

That belongs on the Marine article, not this one.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 15:51, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Was he a real marine?

I have a friend that is incredably into wrestling. Like a year before Cena's film the Marine, i found out from him that Cena himself used to be a Marine. Because my friend is also a marine, now discharged for being a fag (sucks huh), but he wants to be a wrestler now cuz hes emulating Cena's career path. Im pretty certain he didn't make this up. Is there anywhere to look it up? News article, bio, backround story on the marine(fim) commentary where its metnioned, maybe a usmc.gov list of famour marines? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Qrc2006 (talk • contribs) 03:13, 21 February 2007 (UTC).

He was not a real marine. I'm pretty sure it would've been mentioned several times over if he was, and he wouldn't have had to train at Paris Island w/ real marines to prep for the film. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 03:19, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

JR can barely go two seconds without mentioning one of two things, 1. an ex-football player and 2. ex-military. Cena began wrestling straight out of College, he was never in the Marines, a body builder yes, a marine no. They rammed that film down the fans throats last year and Cena has doen four Iraq tribute to the troops shows, if Cena had one tiny bit of military experience then they would have rammed that down our throats too, subtle the WWE are not. Look at Bobby Lashley for an example of past acheivements being mentioned (both football and military). Cena was never a Marine, if he was they would have mentioned it on his debut not kept it hidden. And Qrc2006 you state you "have a friend that is incredably into wrestling" so I can only assume that you don't watch it, so stop adding unsourced nonsense to this page. Darrenhusted 12:40, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I may disagree about the rammed down our throats comment but Cena was never a marine. Big Boss 0 22:17, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

What nonsenese do I keep on adding? I think thats pretty damn rude Darrenhusted. Now the fact that it has not been mentioned a lot and therefore he was not is simply conjecture, i feel you're beeing way to agressive and dismissive. I was genuinly under the impression that he had been in the Marine Corps.I'm into wresting too, don't make assumptions - be nice - and assume good faith. I stopped adding it to the article, it was a 2RR thing. Did nothing wrong. Came on here to make sure. I'm gone now, bye.

Darren, I have to say that you did bite this person pretty hard. 声援 -- The Hybrid 04:43, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe. But adding that John Cena was a marine without it ever being mentioned anywhere, ever, and saying that the source is a friend who overheard it, is that how wikipedia is run? Things overheard from friends. Plus neither comment was signed, it takes two seconds to type four tildes. I'll apologise to QRC on his talk page. Darrenhusted 14:31, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Yes, but new users aren't expected to know the Wikipedia way as well as we are yet. Adding OR is arguably the most common mistake next to adding POV statements. You have to be careful. You have to AGF. 声援 -- The Hybrid 20:50, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Upon further investigation tis guy isn't new. While I still think that you were too harsh, it is a little bit out of the realm of biting. Incivil, yes, but I guess you didn't bite him. 声援 -- The Hybrid 23:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

The Paris Island inferance is just conjecture however, could somebody with LexusNexus try and find out for sure. And I didn't overhear it from a friend. I was told by him and he's a Cenaholic, In fact I should tell em to get on here, you'd have a one-man watchdog for life. He tends to know his shit. So I don't know could someone try and find out for sure? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Qrc2006 (talk • contribs) 20:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC).

I'll post at the help desk alsoqrc2006/email 20:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

He was not a real marine. It has never been mentioned anywhere at any point in time. If it was, I'm sure he would already be listed at Wikipedias List of famous U.S. Marines like Randy Orton is. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 20:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Sorry but again Cena was never a marine. Big Boss 0 22:21, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

Yeah cena was never a marine. I guess people think that because of his movie (the marine) and the way he acts.. the salutes, camo tops, Chain Gang SOLDIER, The only wrestlers to have connection to any speacial force of what i know are Sgt. Slaughter and Bobby Lashley. BlitzerNatu 04:37, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Signature Moves

You have listed that one of John Cena's signature moves is a diving legdrop (to the back of the opponents head. It is not a diving leg drop because most of the time, the opponent is not laying down and is standing up in a bent over position. That is not a diving legdrop. It is in fact, a Diving or Jumping Leg Drop Bulldog AKA: Super Fameasser / Super Famouser / Ass Kisser. In 2 maybe three of Monty Sopp's (AKA: Billy Gunn, AKA: Kip James) last interview's he was asked a question about his opinion of John Cena using Billy Gunn's trademark move. He replied by saying he didn't mind but that Cena does not do it better then him. Not only did the main user of this move acknowledge it as a famouser/super famouser but, if you look at the definition for diving legdrop and look at the definition for diving leg drop bulldog and watch how Cena uses the move (the way he does it a majority of the time recently, i don't know about before) you well then see it is not a diving leg drop and it is the Super Fame Asser.

This is logical and correct. Big Boss 0 22:20, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I've corrected the signature moves of Cena. Added Diving Leg Drop bulldog used in the last 2 pay per view: Royal Rumble on Umaga, and No way Out on Batista.

[User:Dave]

Doing it a handful of times does not make it signature. Stop adding it.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 22:00, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

There are a lot of moves listed in signature moves that are done only handful times (ex. figure four for Triple H or moonsault for Angle). Cena Uses the diving leg drop bulldog every time he goes on the top rope (few times). the diving leg drop bulldog is the typical Cena move from the top rope. [User:Dave]

You've cited two examples. Two is not signature. The Moonsault for Angle, on the other hand, he did in nearly every big match for months. «»bd(^talk _stalk) 23:17, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Sorry dude but he's right. But HHH did use the Figure Four more often when he was with Evolution. Big Boss 0 02:39, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

In the last Period (2007) Cena uses the diving leg drop bulldog in every big match like Angle uses the Moonsault. Then it is the only move that Cena uses from the post, for that we can put it in the signature moves (and i add it last in the list and if you prefer adding the word sometimes or similar). Triple h not uses the figure four so frequently when he ewas in the evolution. I saw it only one time in a match with Hbk and Flair versus the spirit squad when they win with a triple figure four. In the end for Cena even the spinebuster isn't used frequently. [User:Dave]

Dave, before adding the DLDB back in think about what you just said. If you think HHH does not use the figure four as a signature move, and that Cena doesn't use the spinebuster that often then why not go to those respective pages and edit those moves out rather than trying to add a move which, by your own admission, Cena has only been using for nine weeks. And when it does become a signature move try previewing it before adding it, three edits so quickly are not helpful for reviewing edits made to an indiviual page. And lastly this is a tilde (~), four of them will give you a signature, you won't need to add it manually. Darrenhusted 13:19, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

OK i added the leg drop bulldog and the DDT in an other category named: moves used sometimes. That means that this moves are sometimes used by Cena but they are his not signature moves. Ok? I think it is a good compromise [User:Dave]

I don't. It violates the pro wrestling wikiproject style guide.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 19:44, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

And add them and tell that are used sometimes? Exemple: at Michaels piledriver voice ale added ('90 years). I can add a specification that indicate that these moves are not used frequently, but sometimes are used. [User:Dave]

moves only used "sometimes" are not noteworthy for an encyclopedia article, period. not to mention like «»bd(^talk _stalk) said it is against the pro wrestling wikiproject style guide, which pro wrestling articles need to follow. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 20:21, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

I disagree and say he busts out the leg drop enough times for it to be "signature". It's not some random move, he deliberately goes for the top rope leg drop. He will probably do it at WrestleMania too. --Maestro25 06:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Maestro25 it's not a case when Cena uses the diving leg drop bulldog, this move it's not a punch or a kick. It's a signature move. [User:Dave]

Just because it's more than a simple move, does not make it signature. Using it a handful of times, also, does not make it signature. Quite honestly, I don't even remember the last time he used the leg drop and I really don't even think of him even using it when he wrestles as opposed to expecting the "Five Knuckle Shuffle" etc. I'm sorry, but I don't think people expect it enough from him when he wrestles for it to be conisdered signature. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 14:40, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

OK, that means that he uses the diving leg drop bulldog in particular situatuion or when he is in trouble (when opponent are very big men like Umaga and Batista). Viewing a big man flying from the top rope it's strange and with the limitation that WWE gave to Cena... In my opinion this move must be considered like a Cena signature move. It will never be like the five knuckle shuffle, but a move to take off from the cilinder in some particular situation and it is the move that i wait for when CEna goes on the Post (ok He doesn't go on the post frequently). (Please add it). Thank you for your attention (I make excuse for my English, i'm italian). [User:Dave]

Well, your english is much much better than my italian, so don't worry about that. But, he doesn't go to the top rope very frequently at all, and a signature move is one anticipated by fans when a particular wrestler is in a match. This is why the Five Knuckle Shuffle is a signature move. Just because it is the only move he ever does off the top rope does not make it signature. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 15:04, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Cena also used it at a house show I went to once... if he uses it at WrestleMania, would you agree to leave it on the list? That would make it at least as common as Triple H's indian deathlock. --Maestro25 21:30, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Triple H does an indian deathlock? If he uses it at WrestleMania, it may still not be good enough for some other people, so I can't commit to anything about putting it in. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 21:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Triple H used the indian deathlock as a finisher early on in his career, so a bad example. ↪Lakes (Talk) 21:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

• Now this is why I think he sucks. He's only capable of only doing a couple of moves. Chewy

If Cena uses the leg drop bulldog at wrestlemania is the third time ion three pay per view. It becomes a signature move used when the match is very important and it is necessary something special. If Cena uses it at Wrestlemania i will add the move to the list [User:Dave]

User:Dave, add the move after WrestleMania and I'll revert the page after WrestleMania. Darrenhusted 21:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

I'll revert that back. So there! Haha! --Maestro25 22:10, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

PWI Most Popular Wrestler?

On Cena's page, he's listed as PWI's Most Popular Wrestler in 2003 and 2004, but the page for PWI Most Popular Wrestler of the Year, lists the winners as Angle and Guerrero, respectively. Anyone know which source is inaccurate? WikiFew 21:35, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

It was Cena, an anon IP vandalized the page and change a bunch of the results. TJ Spyke 04:53, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

Wrestlemania Curse?

Wrestlemania 20: Fought the Big Show. Big show is now retired. Wrestlemania 21: Fought JBL. JBL has given up wrestling due to injury. Wrestlemania 22: Fought Triple H. Triple H is out with a Serious leg injury.

Should something be mentioned about how all his wrestlemania opponents are injured and/or retired?

While interesting, it seems like Original Research to me. Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 16:24, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you look at the list of the Undertaker's WM opponents, Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka (retired), Jake "The Snake" Roberts (alcoholic), Giant Gonzales (retired), King Kong Bundy (retired), Diesel (severe knee injuries), Sycho Sid (retired), Kane (about to retire), The Big Boss Man (dead), Triple H (injured), Ric Flair (has saggy man boobs), A-Train and The Big Show (working in Japan, and retired through injury), Kane (about to retire), Randy Orton (still wrestling), Mark Henry (injured). If anyone has a curse I think the Undertaker is more notable than John Cena's.

But the UT has been at 15 wrestlemanias now so his opponents are of course retired. Cena has only been at 3 so I agree with the one dude. Wrestlinglover420

Undertaker or not. It amounts to Original Research Bmg916 ^{Speak to Me} 13:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

This is extremely wierd. Maybe Cena is cursed the his Wrestlemania opponents get injured somehow in the near future and have to retire. What the heck is with that? Big Boss 0 14:14, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

My point was humourous (although most of those he faced actually never wrestled on PPV again after facing UT), the "Cena curse" is not notable. Darrenhusted 16:53, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Darrenhusted. Non-notable. -- The Hybrid 05:13, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

With regards to the Curse of the Undertaker at WrestleMania it should be mentioned that Randy Orton has been suspended several times in the last couple of years, had a really bad run as a babyface and is a gay pin-up. Coincidence? I think not! Maybe someone should start an article on this interesting and encyclopaedic subject? Suriel1981 03:22, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

• And what about the Curse of Bret Hart? Andre the Giant (Battle Royal winner)- DEAD, British Bulldogs - DEAD and CRIPPLED, Bad News Brown (Battle Royal winner)- DEAD, Honkytonk Man and Greg Valentine - ANGRY and FACE LIKE A CORPSE, Bolsheviks - CAREERS WENT DOWNHILL, Nasty Boys - SAGS IS DEAF IN ONE EAR, Roddy Piper - CANCER, Yokozuna - DEAD, Owen Hart - DEAD, Bob Backlund - INSANE (I think), Shawn Michaels - FINE (but he is HHH's best friend which protects him a lot), Steve Austin - BROKEN NECK. The statistics speak for themselves! Suriel1981 03:32, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

• Suriel1981, HBK retired from WMXIV to SummerSlam 2002 with a back injury, and will be having knee surgery this summer, so I wouldn't say he is fine. Forget his opponents, look at his tag team partners from July 1997 (IYH16), three of them are dead. I fear for Nattie Neidhart. Darrenhusted 12:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

• now all we need is Shawn Micheals out and..well then...umm..well we see if the curse is real..oh and jbl's retirement had nothing to do with cena...although..he has got a really good point.

unsigned comment

John Cena is a 5 time wwe champion— Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.9.212.106 (talk)

No, he's a 3 time champion.«»bd(^talk _stalk) 15:23, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Defeat of DX

Should it be mentioned that at consecutive wrestlemania's that Cena has made Triple H and Shawn Michaels tap out to the STFU? This is pretty big. He has also retained his title twice at wrestlemania when the World Heavyweight Champion failed to defend his title. Maybe we should mention this too. Big Boss 0 03:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The latter is far too random, and how the hell you noticed it is beyond me, but the former may be. Not sure. Well everybody... -- The Hybrid 04:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

You have to admit the defeat of HHH and HBK at two consecutive wrestlemania's is pretty notable. And he made them submit to the same move, the STFU. Big Boss 0 04:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I'll go ahead and add it, but I'm a little hesitant. What they lost to isn't notable enough. Peace, -- The Hybrid 04:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

No trivia section, and it isn't something that should go into the body of the article. Nevermind, -- The Hybrid 04:30, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Were you going to put that in a trivia section or something? It already states in the article who Cena defeated at the last two WrestleManias. I don't personally think there needs to be special mention. He's a WWE main eventer. He beat two people in two different years. That's what WWE's chosen top liner tends to do. Suriel1981

Also, HHH wasn't a DX member at WM 22. DX didn't reform until Vengance. -- The Hybrid 04:33, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Somebody earlier wanted to put as trivia that the Undertaker had defeated all four members of Evolution at WrestleMania. That got nixed for similar reasons and because it was kinda pointless. Suriel1981 04:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

It's not really that notable, especially since Triple H wasn't in DX at WM 22. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 14:27, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

They're both founding and current members of DX. And the results of WWE.com don't ignore that fact. It's not like he beat two random members of the nWo. --Maestro25 15:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps note it at the WrestleMania 23 article then under notes? It's noted there about the Undertaker/Evolution thing. Bmg916^Speak_Sign 15:55, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

The Undertaker/Evolution thing has been deleted by me. The four guys weren't members of Evolution when 'Taker beat them so it's irrelevant to the WrestleMania article. Please don't add more pointless cruft. And making a point (i.e. putting it in trivia column, etc.) of Cena winning two matches via the same move is also unnecessary considering Hogan has won 5 WM main events via the legdrop. I'd say the fact that it's a regular finisher makes it highly un-notable. Suriel1981 15:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Then mention that Undertaker has beaten all four former members of Evolution. I still think that Cena defating HHH and HBK at consecutive wrestlemania's in notable. Even though DX wasn't back together they were the founding members. Not to mention that they both tapped out to the STFU. Big Boss 0 21:35, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

No. I'm just one part of a larger consensus to not mention the Evolution fact, and logically that carries over to here. I may be one of the most vocal, but I'm not standing alone. -- The Hybrid 21:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm with Hybrid, Cena uses the STFU all the time, and you could make a wing in the hall of fame for all the members of former groups UT has beat. Darrenhusted 21:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't become any less trivial because it happened at WrestleMania. If anything, the hype surrounding WrestleMania means there should be more relevant material available ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak_Sign 22:58, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

There is also more cruft with more relevant material. We have to be very strict about what we add, as it is easier to make a mistake around this time. -- The Hybrid 23:08, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

This is my first WrestleMania season as part of WP:PW and I could liken it to the legend of King Canute trying to hold back the tide. Certainly we must be strict and carefully discriminating. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak_Sign 23:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

It is my first as well, but I just have to remember that everything, the vandalism, cruft, ect, all of it is on a larger scale. Your simile is perfect ;). Peace, -- The Hybrid 23:20, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Realize that Cena is only the second person in history to successfully defend the WWE championship in the main event at Mania... the other? Hogan... Cena=Hogan. Apparantly the company (WWE) really does belive in Cena though because he's pretty much been the Champ for two years now.. three straight Mania main event victories —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.30.99.195 (talk • contribs) 11:20, 3 April 2007.

Yes, we do realise that Cena and Hogan have won 2 back to back WM title defences, that's why it's on the WM23 page. Darrenhusted 10:23, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Is it worth noting that John Cena has a WM record of 4-0 and that he's won/defended titles at all 4 of thoses WM?Urena198 22:38, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

No, that is not worth noting, unless you are prepared to check the WM record of every Superstar and add their records to their pages. A 4-0 record is not notable, in fact if you want to talk about undefeated at WM then you can't include John Cena, because he has appeared at five Wrestlemanias and yet only won 4 matches, so he has not appeared at each Wrestlemania and won a match, unless we are in agreement that he "won" the WMXIX rap battle, in which case he is 5-0. Darrenhusted 20:53, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

10 or 20 team?

on the April 2, 2007 edition of Raw, Cena and Micheals lost their title to the Hardys in a 10 or 20 team battle royal. but was it really a 10 or 20 team battle royal? The match was recycled (re-done). Dro Boy April 2, 2007 23:05

eh it was two seperate 10 team battle royals. A total of 19 teams competed. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak_Sign 03:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

18 teams. Cena/Michaels and Helms/Guerrero were in both. They were two seperate 10 team battle royals. TJ Spyke 04:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Named after his dad?

is he named after his dad? because alot of articles i have read say stuff like john cena jr.. BlitzerNatu 04:43, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

yea its true about that but he's dead :(

No he isn't. He has been on TV twice. He's alive. -- The Hybrid 05:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

wen he died yesterday april 6, 2007