Talk:NASCAR 09
Drivers
Lets try to keep this better then the 08 article was pre-release. Only add a driver if you have a reference to prove that that driver will be in the game, like I did with Carl Edwards. Fisha695 (talk) 20:25, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
I'm happy that my driver will be back in the game. For those of you who don't believe just listen to the podcast around the 5:23 mark and they will confirm that Edwards is in the game. CEfanDP99 (talk) 00:19, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
Drivers Part 2
Cant we add drivers like Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Tony Stewart, Earnhardt Jr., and Ryan Newman. Because i doubt they are going to have a game with out the obvious ones. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.208.247.160 (talk) 17:48, 18 February 2008 (UTC)
Until they are confirmed by EA or in a Video or Screenshot of NASCAR 09 (none of which have been released yet) then NO they can not be listed because it would be speculation (no matter what kind of deals they may or may not have with EA, or no matter how popular they are) Fisha695 (talk) 00:24, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
Yeah I think drivers are a must for the game and this page and I want to know who is in it and I have came here all the time to look I think it is a stupid Idea this has been on Wiki for years.Tyb —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyb222 (talk • contribs) 03:36, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Just so you know the screenshots from NASCAR 09 have shown that drivers: Jeff Gordon, Carl Edwards, Elliot Sadler, Matt Kenseth, David Regan, Paul Menard, and Kurt Busch. Along with others that I cannot make out. Also the video from ESPN have shown Jimmie Johnson, Greg Biffle, Dario Franchitti, Kyle Busch, and Denny Hamlin.(Hms88amp) (talk) 16:05, 19 March 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.232.161.216 (talk)
Drivers and track lists
Hey there, I've come here from WT:VG. Just to inform you, drivers and track lists do not belong on any Wikipedia article. I know that most NASCAR video game article contain them: that is wrong too. It's best to save yourself the effort and not write up any of these lists in the first place. Regards, User:Krator (t c) 09:15, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Well then if we can not place the list of content in the video game then there should not be any articles on any video games, as the driver and tracks included in the game is the content of the game, just like saying in the Grand theft Auto games what city they take place in and what your characters name is. Please show me to the Wiki-Rule that says that correct information on the subject of the article should not be included. If you can do that, then fine, just make sure you go through and delete ALL similar information on Characters that you can play and places where the game takes place from EVERY video game article. Until you can do that then I am putting them back in. Thanks Fisha695 (talk) 17:33, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- Wikipedia simply isn't the place for every detail on the game. Several things fall under game guide content. This includes (but isn't limited to): car lists and other related lists, cheat codes, instructions on how to play and so on. See Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not: not a directory, and not a manual, guidebook or textbook sections. RobJ1981 (talk) 18:06, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- Then I expect you and your little group of people to go delete it from EVERY NASCAR game article as well as every other video game article. REAL PEOPLE AND PLACES ARE MORE ENCYCLOPEDIC THEN FAKE PLACES AND PEOPLE IN OTHER VIDEO GAMES. So why should the fake things in other game articles and get to stay but the real things be deleted? I'm sorry but I still fail to see the moronic reasoning behind this. I'll continue to use the example of the GTA games. People do not need to know that the fake Liberty City is based off of the real New York City, but yet I guarantee that will be left in the GTA4 article. Like I said I still fail to see the moronic reasoning behind this... but then again maybe this is why many people are moving towards they own wiki things and away from this site..... Fisha695 (talk) 18:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- If we provided a list of every car and street in GTA IV, that would be deleted too. Please see also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. xenocidic (talk) 20:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- Hmm... strange that I still see similar lists on every NASCAR and other video game pages as well. Fisha, I believe 'moronic' is becoming to mild of a word to describe these reasons. ~Jutras90 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.157.214.174 (talk) 17:02, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
- If we provided a list of every car and street in GTA IV, that would be deleted too. Please see also WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. xenocidic (talk) 20:14, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
- Then I expect you and your little group of people to go delete it from EVERY NASCAR game article as well as every other video game article. REAL PEOPLE AND PLACES ARE MORE ENCYCLOPEDIC THEN FAKE PLACES AND PEOPLE IN OTHER VIDEO GAMES. So why should the fake things in other game articles and get to stay but the real things be deleted? I'm sorry but I still fail to see the moronic reasoning behind this. I'll continue to use the example of the GTA games. People do not need to know that the fake Liberty City is based off of the real New York City, but yet I guarantee that will be left in the GTA4 article. Like I said I still fail to see the moronic reasoning behind this... but then again maybe this is why many people are moving towards they own wiki things and away from this site..... Fisha695 (talk) 18:17, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
Let me say first off that I have been monitoring this page even though I have very little interest in NASCAR, let alone a game about it. My knowledge only extends to a few NASCAR racers but I have no clue about their sponsorships or what car company they drive.
The people who are trying to get drivers/tracks added seem to be going about this the wrong way. Calling other editor's reasons "moronic" or typing in CAPS is not going to get your point across. These points/policies are in the guidelines for a reason: so these pages do not become a huge fancruft page. Referencing GTAIV is pointless since GTAIV is not a driving game, more notable than a NASCAR video game, just because GTAIV has it does not mean that it is okay. If anything, the best comparison to this is GT4, which in terms of subject is similar. While the GT4 "list of cars" page was deleted, a "list of tracks" was allowed to exist, even having its own article, List of Gran Turismo courses. However, one could argue that GT4 is way more notable than NASCAR as a video game but I don't know that probably warrants further discussion that I don't really want to get into.
As a compromise, there could be a section about different/new changes/additions for tracks/drivers. For example if Jeff Gordon changes sponsorship and doesn't show up with said sponsor in this game due to the release time of the game, then that could be noted (with citations) or if a course decides to change its track or has made additional changes in-game, then those could be mentioned as well (with citations).
Also I would have to say there is no difference between a "real" person and a "fake" character in terms of notability or reason for inclusion into Wikipedia. Characters played by "real" actors are fictional, but I would note that some are a lot more important than a racecar driver and vice versa. Strongsauce (talk) 14:13, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah I think drivers are a must for the game and this page and I want to know who is in it and I have came here all the time to look I think it is a stupid Idea this has been on Wiki for years.Tyb —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tyb222 (talk • contribs) 03:41, 13 March 2008 (UTC)
Protection requested and accepted. This should stop IP vandalism for the next week. Might have to do the same with the NASCAR 08 article as well. Roguegeek (talk) 23:03, 14 March 2008 (UTC)