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Slant Magazine also gave the album five stars and like the reviews by Allmusic and Rolling Stone, paid particular compliment to the lyrics of "Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'". All three reviews questioned the meaning behind some of Jackson's lyrics to the song.[1] The lyrics, "Somebody's always tryin' to start my baby crying" and the near-bitter "You're a vegetable, you're a vegetable/They'll eat off you, you're a vegetable" have become popular with most critics. "Billie Jean", which became Jackson's best-selling single, was described by Blender as "one of the most sonically eccentric, psychologically fraught, downright bizarre things ever to land on Top 40 radio".[2]
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Hi a number of weeks ago I made a wikiette case against the editer "CadenS" because of his offensive behaviour. He calls it the "Homosexual Agenda", which is a right wing way of saying "gays are plotting against the world".He called one user who is a member of the LGBT community "Heterophobic" for not agreeing with him. I know that the editer was very offended by the comment. Now being conservative and christain is fine with me, but this is going too far, i see these unhealthy ideas spouted on Conservapedia and honestly its dangerous. These were the links I provided at that wikiette case.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 - im guessing "this" means homosexuality? 11 - and again, Caden has found another example of the "Homosexual Agenda", running wild in wikipedia
After that things blew up and CadenS went on a 4 week break, we were all hoping it would cool him off but it didn't. He came back and continued on a rampage.
Quickly he got new warning on his talk page about grossly uncivil edit summaries such as `Use common sense and quit pissing me off with your reverts` seen here and `It's specific enough so quit undoing my edits. Your really starting to piss me off` seen here. He has already started commenting on controversial talk page articles such as "male rape research" seen here and "heterosexuality" seen here
Today he asked another editor if they were heterophobic for no reason Seen here. Then he removed the LGBT wikiproject from another article seen here. He loves doing that.
La Toya: Growing Up in the Jackson Family
TITLE: La Toya Jackson's Public 'Therapy' / But book isn't the whole story AUTHOR: BLAKE GREEN Page: B3 NEWSPAPER: San Francisco Chronicle DATE PUBLISHED: 09-12-1991
La Toya Jackson says she didn't really want to name names. "It was betterto let people decide for themselves," she decided, putting together the words and thoughts that would turn into "La Toya: Growing Up in the Jackson Family." "But" -- there is a mild exasperation in the expression framed by erupting black curly corkscrews -- "my manager has a big mouth and he tells everyone, which drives me crazy."
However it's come out -- in her just-released, long-promised, much- gossiped about autobiography or during Jackson's flurry of talk-show appearances or tripping off the tongue of Jack Gordon, the 35-year-old author's aforementioned manager and 53- year-old husband (just one of the bits of knowledge $19.95 buys) -- it's a sordid story of incest, emotional and physical child abuse, attempted kidnapings and assorted other Biblical premonishings such as vanity, envy, marital infidelity, hypocrisy, lechery and general ill- will toward ones relations.
"A classic, dysfunctional family," Jackson calls the 11-person, multitalented family unit headed by Joseph and Katherine Jackson. The world has known the siblings in various musical groupings as the Jackson Five, the Jacksons, Michael Jackson, Janet Jackson and, perhaps more as a personality than a performer, La Toya Jackson.
"This book is not vindictive in any way," insists the middle daughter of the nine Jackson children. She could have, if she'd wanted, really hung out dirty laundry. Nor did she write it for publicity. "I'm interviewed all the time," she says. "This is no different than what I do every day."
HIGHLY PHOTOGRAPHED
"La Toya," says Gordon, never reluctant to dip in his oar, "is the most photographed woman in the world."
"For me it was therapy," Jackson says, "a chance to release everything, all the terrible thoughts that have been bundled up in my body for years," thoughts about the home in which she stayed until she was past 30.
She did it for abused children everywhere, of all ages, Jackson says. "If I can speak out, anyone can. We have the whole world to contend with. You have only your friends and neighbors."
Earlier this week, sloshing through the media-blitz arranged to herald the book's official publication Tuesday, Jackson was holding court in the middle room of a three-room suite at the Plaza Hotel, not far from the apartment where she lives, she says, with "two snakes, Adam and Eve, and two Maltese, Paris and Prince," when she is in Manhattan. Reporters, photographers and film crews flowed and ebbed like waves on the ocean.
The focus of the attention, dressed all in black except for a bright orange blazer and long, crimson fingernails, seemed alternately fragile, steely, annoyed -- often with Gordon -- blase, hurt (at times her voice trembled) and, occasionally, bored. Her book has been the subject of feverish speculation ever since her last big splash: the nude Playboy layout, the one with the snake two years ago, the one that, she says in the book, set to rest rumors that "Michael and I are the same person." Nevertheless, now that the moment has arrived, Jackson insists that "I didn't really want to publicize the book. I wanted to write it and let it go on its own; the company wanted me to promote it."
"It's the first time this girl has had a product," Gordon says, eyes on the prize.
Did Jackson mind it that she was more or less trapped in this suite, her manager/husband darting about, on and off the phone, in and out of the interview, and there was a bodyguard posted outside?
KIDNAP ATTEMPTS
"That's like nothing," she says, vaguely surprised at the question. "It's been that way since I left home." There have been several attempts made to kidnap her, one of them -- this is one of Gordon's stories -- involving a $200,000 payment by Michael Jackson that would have resulted in La Toya's being drugged, taken to California and confined on his ranch for two years. Walkie-talkies, guns and a car chase are mentioned; other pertinent details are not forthcoming. (So far, members of the Jackson family have either declined to comment on La Toya's book and the accompanying revelations or, in the case of the parents, staunchly denied the charges; La Toya says it has been about three months since she had any personal contact with the family. "I think it's better for them to contact me."
A pale, stoop-shouldered, indefatigable operator sort, Gordon came into La Toya Jackson's life as an acquaintance of and consultant to her father, the children's manager, but, in the ensuing years he has evolved into the arch villain in their eyes, the person responsible for her estrangement from the family. The word "Svengali" has been used in accounts of their relationship, but Gordon insists that the problem is "I'm white and a Jew," racial and ethnic prejudices harbored by the elder Jacksons as well as Janet Jackson, according to the book.
"You want dirty linen, I'll give you dirty linen," he says, for it is he who makes the most damaging accusations: that La Toya Jackson was "constantly abused by her father" (in the book, Jackson hints -- "lightly" -- that Rebbie, her older sister, was sexually abused).
ODD ROUTINE
"Not consistently," insists La Toya. It is an odd routine the two have in public. Jackson admonishes Gordon, whom she calls Jay, that he is revealing too much, talking too much, interrupting her or straying from the subject. Then she supplements the information or, when he has disappeared to make a call, urgently summons him back to the conversation. "When Michael would win an award, he'd be beaten when he got home," says Gordon. "Not the same day, Jay," says Jackson.
"It is the weirdest story," she says about their long-rumored, frequently denied and now-verified marriage, which took place in 1989, after one of the kidnaping scares. "We're married in name only, although we live together (home is "the road," she says airily, mentioning houses also in Las Vegas and London). He's the manager, I'm the artist. I didn't want the marriage to happen but it had to take place (to protect her)."
Gordon not only elaborates on the innuendos in the book and supplies new grist for the gossip mills, he provides the missing names in some of the book's vignettes. Diana Ross is the "only star who didn't check her ego at the door," mentioned by Jackson, writing about the taping of the "We Are the World" recording in 1985. The aging Hollywood lech who tries to get La Toya into bed with him is Redd Foxx.
Rumor had it that the book's first manuscript was rejected by its original publisheras being too bland. "That's totally not true," says Jackson. "The other publisher and writer (this book is written with Patricia Romanowski) had connections with my family. I'll leave the rest to your imagination."
"She wrote this book because her siblings wouldn't talk to her. The only way she could talk to them was through the book," Gordon says. "We even put this book on the table; I said, `Look it, we don't want to print this, just call us.' " They didn't. If the Jackson family would resolve its differences, "I'd be the first to leave," says Gordon. He lays out the conditions: "Michael will have to call her up, we'd have to have all nine of them in a room, Michael will have to promise no harm will come to her."
SECRETIVE MICHAEL
Does Jackson have any idea this will happen? "I'm hopeful the brothers and sisters will let it all out," she says, "but it's hard to say. Michael is good at hiding what he doesn't want the public to know. His book ("Moonwalker") was basically what he wanted the public to know about his great achievements in records."
"Don't miss the point of this, honey," Gordon warns when questions moved toJackson's music career, far outshadowed by her brother's and sister's. "The point of the book isn't to get publicity by airing dirty linen. She wrote this for abused people, so they could see if it could happen to them, the biggest family in the world, it could happen to anyone."
Altruism on the record, he moves right along, mentioning an upcoming Playboy layout, this time starting on the cover, as proof of his client's success. "Do you know, La Toya, you sold more Playboy magazines than any girl in history?" Gordon wonders. "No one's ever credited you with that. Now that's an achievement for a black girl."
La Toya's book has no scoops
Title: An unrevealing expose // La Toya's book has no scoops Author: Karen Thomas Newspaper: USA Today Date: 09-03-1991 Page: 2d
The hullabaloo preceding this month's publication of La Toya Jackson's La Toya: Growing Up in the Jackson Family (Dutton, $19.95) implied the book would blow the roof off the House of Jackson. The family, La Toya said, was so upset about the secrets she might expose, that they attempted to kidnap her, halt publication of the book and, she alleged, they wanted her manager/husband killed.
Michael Jackson, it was reported, offered his big sis big bucks not to write her story.
But, with the exception of the already published stories of physical abuse at the hands of Jackson patriarch, Joseph, the clan doesn't seem much more bizarre than any other famous-and-fortunate family.
What La Toya, 35, contends, though, is that the Jacksons' mother, Katherine, was just as guilty in her silence.
``She was behind it ... says La Toya. ``She could've stopped him from beating us. ... She never said `stop.'
Katherine, says La Toya, led a double life, sympathizing with all nine children, but urging Joseph to punish them when they weren't listening.
Joseph, she writes, used fists, belts and switches to beat his children. Katherine, La Toya says, ``was mentally abusive.
For three years, family members denied La Toya's charges. Now that the book is finally in stores, spokespersons for Katherine, La Toya's older sister Rebbie, and younger siblings Michael and Janet Jackson have no comment.
La Toya says she was an outcast after her 1989 Playboy pictorial. She makes her nude encore on next month's cover - with 50 snakes.
In '89, La Toya says she did the pictures ``to show my independence. ... I just let my top down and said, `This is for my father, because I hate him ...
Still, La Toya insists she's not bitter. ``I didn't write to hurt anybody in the family.
``I respect their privacy, she says. ``There are siblings in my family who all attempted suicide, and they talk about it. But, I didn't mention who ... (only) that we lived in a house that would drive you to that.
"Word to the Badd"
`I THINK I'VE FINALLY GROWN UP'; ROBERT HILBURN. Robert Hilburn writes for the Los Angeles Times Newsday 06-27-1993 Page:10
[Janet] Jackson also doesn't sidestep the controversy that surfaced in late 1991 when brother Jermaine released a single, "Word to the Badd," that criticized the self-proclaimed King of Pop as out of touch and for turning his back on his black heritage. "To me, there's no excuse for what he did and I told him I didn't like the record. We weren't raised like that. If you have a problem with someone, you tell that person. You don't tell the world about it."