User talk:Xeno

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• ✓ Kanġi Oĥanko (talk) 10:47, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
• Lympathy ^Talk 17:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

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2 years

I see today marks two years since your first edit. Congratulations on the milestone. Useight (talk) 18:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

wow, were you watching Irid's talk page, or is this another one of those crazy useight coincidences? oh, and thanks =) –xenocidic (talk) 18:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy edit-birthday! – iridescent 19:07, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

hehe, thanks, and sorry for drama'ing up your talk page. I guess I got mixed up, what with AN/K going to keeper, I figured AN/I should go to irid =) –xenocidic (talk) 19:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy editday! GlassCobra 19:10, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy Edit-Day!!!:D--Xp54321 ^{(Hello! • Contribs)} 19:18, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I did cheat a little, and kinda fecked off between aug 2006 and jan 2008 =) (with sporadic IP edits in the interim) –xenocidic (talk) 19:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I happened to see this edit summary on my watchlist. I guess it was lucky that I hit F5 at the right time, but this one isn't as "coincidency" as other times. :P Useight (talk) 19:25, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

*phew* if it was a coincidence like last time I woulda really been creeped out =) –xenocidic (talk) 19:26, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Don't worry, I'm not stalking you...just your talk page (and other talk pages, for that matter). <insert evil laugh> Useight (talk) 19:34, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Rawr... gratz on 2 years... - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:46, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Happy wikiday!!ElectricalExperiment 21:20, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks again, all =). –xeno (talk) 20:36, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank you

(Re [1])

		Thank you!
		Xeno, it is with deep awareness of the responsibility conferred by your trust that I am honored to report that in part to your support, my request for adminship passed (87/14/6). I deeply value the trust you and the Wikipedia community have in me, and I will embark on a new segment of my Wikipedia career by putting my new tools to work to benefit the entire community. My best to you, Happyme22 (talk) 04:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

And I'm pleased to have been the first to answer your scenario. :) Happyme22 (talk) 04:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Just curious - what did you think of the layout? was it easy to follow? –xeno (talk) 16:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I had to read the "Confused?" drop-down box to fully understand what the two columns were and why there was different colored text. But after that I'd say it was definitely pretty easy to follow. Happyme22 (talk) 17:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks =) –xeno (talk) 20:22, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

3rr on Waltzingmatilda57

Please consider removing the 3RR block on Waltzingmatilda57 (talk · contribs). I'm on top of the situation. —EncMstr (talk) 19:28, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

15 minutes? Okay, that's appropriate. —EncMstr (talk) 19:29, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I believe User:86.12.236.232 is a sockpuppet of Waltzingmatilda57. Unaware of protocol in dealing with sockpuppets. Can you advise? (Yes I know this sounds like a cheesy FPS video game.) Washburnmav (talk) 19:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

To avoid hassle, I've semi-protected the article. —EncMstr (talk) 19:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

(Re to Wash) Right, it's either a sockpuppet or a meatpuppet, so EncMstr just made the article unable to edit by anonymous users for now. In a one-off case like this the best thing to do is ping an admin (like you did) but formal sockpuppet reports are made at WP:SSP. –xeno (talk) 20:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Do you ever speak English or have you developed your own kind of code? Obviously respect doesn't come into your vocabulary - Pretty sad Waltzingmatilda57 (talk) 22:39, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Thanks...

Thanks, a troll putting up my personal information online is kinda scary... - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:47, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

oh, scary indeed. i thought you just wanted to clean the history! use Wikipedia:Requests for oversight and send the diffs for something like that. Do you want me to restore the non-offending revisions? –xeno (talk) 20:49, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

nope, this worked fine, I removed any personal info... no history, no way for a troll to get that info... is the page still semi-pp (edit:autoconfirmed)? - Adolphus79 (talk) 20:51, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I've added the semi back on for you. you know of course your deleted revisions are still viewable by admins, but we're a mostly trustworthy group =). oversight can fix that if you want. –xeno (talk) 20:54, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I may consider that, I've already wrote oversight regarding the WP:UUA edits, once that's fixed I may have my page wiped too... I'm not so worried about admins as I am personal trolls... I'm pretty sure I know who it is, and I've already emailed OTRS about it... Thanks again, I owe you another pint... ;) - Adolphus79 (talk) 21:01, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Getting power crazy

Hi! Inspired by your division-by-zero block, I thought I would be a bit silly with my reasons during admin school. I figured that I ought to be sensible when doing adctual blocks, deletions, etc, so now is the time to let my hair down. Still got a few more lessons to do, but I figured you might want to have a look in at what you've started... [2]. StephenBuxton (talk) 11:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

heh. my favorite is the matrix one: 07:53, July 14, 2008 StephenBuxton (Talk | contribs | block) unblocked "192.0.2.16 (Talk)" ‎ (User admits there is no spoon.). =) just wait till you really bungle your first admin related log message. you'll feel like a peon. then about 200 admin actions later you'll stop caring so much =) –xeno (talk) 12:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I was wondering if anyone would get that reference. Well, I've done the silly, and will eventually get on with using the blocks myself. Before that though, I'll just carry on reporting vandals at AIV, and watch to see how the various people get blocked (lengths, account creation protection and all that). Never paid too much attention in the past back when I was a pure vandal fighter - it was enough for me to see they were blocked. I know the theory now, but I want to see other people do it in practice before I do any. My goal? To do at least 300 admin actions before I feel like a peon (grin) StephenBuxton (talk) 17:02, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Nonsense. Just block them (anon-only, account creation blocked-the defaults) if you want, for 12 hours to be conservative, but I usually go for 24 or 31 hours. Also look at their previous blocks - if they're repeaters and it looks to be the same person or it's a school - use gradually increasing blocks. P.S. I've got a custom twinklewarn.js that selects the "Blocking" level of warning by default. User:Xenocidic/twinklewarn.js, feel free to import it. –xeno (talk) 17:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

New user assist

Can you (or a talk page stalker) check out Kenneth Moore? We've got original research from a relative on there; I welcomed her but she apparently just logged out and re-edited. She did ask for help but of course got the right answer, which would not be what she was looking for. To add to it, it's not entirely clear the article's subject even meets WP:N. I don't want to be a stalker; I'd rather we gain a new productive editor...any assist would be appreciated.  Frank  |  talk  13:43, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Competing in the Olympics automatically qualifies athletes for notability, as for the OR, I'd be inclined to tag it with fact and let someone else sort it out further down the line. There are a few editors who work with the olympians-from-years-ago, let me search my archives and find them and then send them your way here.  Done I left messages on their talk pages to come look here. –xeno (talk) 13:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

In looking at the source for his birth year, it's listed at 01/01/1899 which strikes me as a bit of a "we're not sure" date. –xeno (talk) 13:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I noticed in the article that it no longer has a birth-date but I thought the same as Xeno, that 1/1/1899 is unlikely to be the actual date and I would prefer to see a tag that asks for references to be added rather than delete good-faith edits. Perhaps the user can negotiate to create a Primary Source which we can reference. Lympathy ^Talk 14:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I appreciate your offer, but I will have to pass on this. In regards to the January 1, 1899 birth, most historians will use the January 1 birth date as a default if the birth date is not known, but the birth year is. Chris (talk) 14:06, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Is that a reliable source though? Do 33 year olds normally compete in Olympic hockey? (This isn't a facetious or rhetorical question, I don't follow sports very much at all =) –xeno (talk) 14:08, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Google isn't really turning up anything conclusive on this guy, unfortunately...I found a few Olympics databases, but none of them list his age or any info about him other than winning the gold. To be honest, though, I'd side more towards taking out the OR instead of tagging it. Verifiability, not truth. GlassCobra 14:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I have no problem with a 33 year old competing especially in that era. January 1st is what I find least likely. I would consider the source and that date unreliable. Lympathy ^Talk 14:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm going to continue to monitor here and the article itself. Hopefully someone can come up with something; her request on the help page yielded some responses. Thanks all.  Frank  |  talk  22:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure thing. The user below (I've combined the sections) may still be working on it as well. –xeno (talk) 22:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thx

Hi Xeno! Many thanks for your info about the edits to Kenneth Moore! I will try to find out more about him, I have just mailed a friend. Feel free to ask me again if you find cases like this. Yes, I remember that we spoke about the notability of all these athletes. :) But wiki is a good place to find relatives who can help with missing data. Kind regards Doma-w (talk) 16:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks =) –xeno (talk) 22:34, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Locking AFL Season 2008

How can I get 2008 AFL season temporarily locked to new users? The page has received a number of bad edits recently and will take a bit of work to repair. Lympathy ^Talk 14:23, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:RFPP is your place. :) GlassCobra 14:30, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't think there's sufficient history to have it protected though. Bad edits in good faith won't qualify, I'm afraid. (Are they vandals or just poor editing choices?) –xeno (talk) 14:32, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

After editting it I realised that it was just poor formatting over several different users. It looked worse to me than it was. All fixed now. Lympathy ^Talk 14:38, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Block template

Hey, do you know the appropriate block notice template for an indef block of an advertising-only account? Tan ǀ 39 14:50, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

{{Uw-sblock}} (|indef=yes). Aren't you using Twinkle? It's got all that in there ;> –xeno (talk) 14:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

That's not an indef block, though. Hang on, I'll dig around. GlassCobra 14:53, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I know, I've seen that template. But "You have been blocked for a period of XXX from editing in accordance with Wikipedia's blocking policy for continuing to add spam links." seems inappropriate for an advert-only account. I want it to mention the username and the fact that it's advertising. Tan ǀ 39 14:54, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

It is when you do it like this: {{subst:Uw-sblock|indef=yes}}. –xeno (talk) 14:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Here we go: {{Uw-soablock}} (shortcuts: {{so}}, {{soa}}, {{soab}}) GlassCobra 14:56, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, try {{Uw-soablock}}. –xeno (talk) 14:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

perfect. Thanks guys - Tan ǀ 39 14:57, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

don't forget to subst or xenobot will gitcha! –xeno (talk) 14:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:TPS

Darn it, I need to find somewhere else to screw around now... :P GlassCobra 14:59, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Lol, no - don't worry. Apparently I've finally "arrived" (per Keeper, somewhere above) –xeno (talk) 15:01, 17 July 2008 (UTC) (#Welcome =)

I don't understand, what exactly is WP:TPS? Is that some kind of new-fangled cabal? - Adolphus79 (talk) 01:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Yep, we got a userbox and everything! {{WP:TPS/userbox}} –xeno (talk) 01:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

but the question is... am I really TPS if I'm only stalking a couple other users pages? Imma have to make a UBX that says I'm a Xeno-jaguar or something... LOL - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:07, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

The moment you answer a question directed to someone else on their talk page, you're a talk page stalker =) In fact, I'm constantly changing the talk pages that I stalk. Normally I'll stalk a talk page of someone who I have an open query with, and then take them off a week or two later. –xeno (talk) 02:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

dammit! that takes me from TPS'ng only a couple user to like a half dozen... isn't there some kind of qualification regarding how many questions directed towards you that I've answered? - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:14, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: greasemonkey auto-status

(Re [3]) You can probably find someone to write it at WP:VPT or something. I could write it but would rather not spend time on it as I'm not sure how long it would take me. And the tool's functionality isn't that useful to me because I prefer to edit undetected when I can :) Yeah, the Greasemonkey should only run when you start your browser and should stop when you close it. Gary King (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

Reply

(Re [4]) Yep, thats the one! Thanks for the kudos! -- iMatthew _T.C. 23:49, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Merging edit histories

Is there any way to merge the edit history of The Conduit (video game) into The Conduit? The article was moved to the former back in April, and the latter became a redirect, at least until now when their roles have been reversed. I had done the initial moving because I thought "The Conduit" was too generic to be an article without the "(video game)" elaboration, and naturally loads of edits have happened between then and now which are no longer easily visible. I've heard of merging article histories somewhere, but I haven't the foggiest of where to go. Can you help? -- Comandante {Talk} 02:16, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

ugh, cut and paste move. sure, I'll do it. –xeno (talk) 02:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done. happy editing =) –xeno (talk) 02:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Much obliged. I actually didn't expect anything to happen until tomorrow, apparently you're either online 24/7 or semi-telepathic (a full telepath wouldn't need a computer. Or the Internet). Thanks for taking the trouble to handle this so quickly. -- Comandante {Talk} 02:30, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

LOL! You caught me whilst I was cleaning out my watchlist =). The status display usually doesn't lie too - unless I forgot to set it to "offline". heh. –xeno (talk) 02:37, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I've had my status set to online for the past 3 days and just realized it. Anyway, I guess it was just the luck of the draw that you were on at the time. Too bad you're not a telepath, I wanted to add someone to my telepathic friends list. As expected, it's still empty; it makes me doubt that there's any reason to have such a list at all, but I soldier on. There will be a day in future, a great and glorious day, a day that will live forever in infamy, when that list will mean something! There is still a place for lists of nonexistent people in the universe! And for ASCII Art of that owl picture that says "O, RLY?" And for vegetarian bacon, not just flattened strips of flavored broccoli, but a bacon substitute made of tofu that actually tastes like bacon! I don't even like tofu. But that day will come!!! You can tell I have nothing better to do, I thought about not typing this at all (for a second (alright, 27 seconds by my watch. I mean honestly, this is pointless)). -- Comandante {Talk} 02:53, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Hey! ASCII art FTW!!! - Adolphus79 (talk) 02:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

well, i never said i wasn't telepathic, so, next time you need me, just think really hard=) –xeno (talk) 03:12, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Page move

Can you tell me how to undo a page move. Also can you take action against this user [5]. You will understand when you see his contribs. --SkyWalker (talk) 08:21, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Page move vandalism can usually be reversed simply by making the page back over it's original location - as long as no edits have been made to the left-over redirect. The user has already been blocked. –xeno (talk) 12:28, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

EFD

Hey, who gave you permission to use my EFD page?! >:O

No, I'm kidding, of course. Good to see some activity there. :) GlassCobra 17:44, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

heh, things have been pretty heated on WP:AN/K just thought I could lighten things up a bit, or at least get them out of the house =) –xeno (talk) 17:45, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Email?

By any chance do you have email turned on? I have a slight problem that really doesn't need to be broadcast across the net... - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:58, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes. –xeno (talk) 18:00, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

done... - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:11, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Radio Wikipedia Mentioned In WebUser

Someone you will not believe. The UK magazine WebUser, features a Website Secrets section. Number 45 of WebUser 192 (page 27) reads:

Radio Wikipedia Not many people know that the online encyclopedia has its own radio programme, which covers various aspects of using and updating the site. You can listen to it at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:RADIOWP.

Can you believe it. I'm mentioning this in a special issue. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 18:40, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Impressive! –xeno (talk) 18:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

I can't believe it. I've emailed the editor thanking them, and hinting at other mentions. We need to be prepared for the traffic. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 18:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

PS: WikipediaWeekly and NotTheW... got one little paragraph. We got a whole one. StewieGriffin! • Talk Sign Listen 18:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Re: Suggestion, question

I do have that in the lesson already, actually - the second and third code snippets both show how that works. Thanks, though, it's always interesting to see how far these lessons are spreading. :-)

As for your question, I'm not having any luck suppressing it. Using #ifeq: as you tried should work, I'm not sure why it isn't (see my test). The good news is, you don't have to transclude WP:RFPERM itself, just its three subpages, Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Acc, Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rollback, and Wikipedia:Requests for permissions/Rem. Those aren't too obtrusive when added, and it'll help people add new requests if they come across your userpage or whatever. I just looked, and I don't see any parsers to help with this, although you did give me a great idea for a feature request. Sorry I can't be of more help there.

Otherwise, vacation's going well, thanks. Should be back on regular editing in a couple weeks. Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 21:55, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Got it, glad I sent in the feature request. Mediawiki does have something to show the size of a page, which you can use like this:

{{#ifeq: {{#expr: {{PAGESIZE:Wikipedia:Requests for permission/Rollback}} < 180 }} | 1 | ''No current rollback requests'' 
| {{Wikipedia:Requests for permission/Rollback}} }}

So, if the page is so short it can only possibly contain the header, the statement is true, returns a 1, and spits out "No current rollback requests" or whatever else you want it to show. Yay! Hersfold ^(t/a/c) 07:24, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

My edits

Hello, I made changes to several relevant pages in enviro tech and put a page up on the Green Technology Alliance. Any copyright issues I had full rights to do any "cut and paste" from the .org site. My changes on other pages were specifically to clean up etc. and add relevant areas, links etc. Much was deleted and so was the GTA page. Can you tell me what I did wrong? I looked at several others for a model and then tried to make it link primarily back to other wiki pieces. Thanks also if you could send a copy of the page back to me I would really appreciate it. I apologize if I violated any policy as I tried very hard not to. This issue is incredibly important and I would love to contribute extensively to related areas but can't take the time to do it if I am going to just get deleted. Thanks M-- Michelle.Naquin Juoly 19, 2008 10:56 CST Michelle.naquin (talk) 15:57, 19 July 2008 (UTC)—Preceding unsigned comment added by Michelle.naquin (talk • contribs) 15:55, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

My replies here.

I remember the issue, it was a copyright violation (direct copy and paste of copyrighted material) of http://www.greentechnologyalliance.org/. This means that that website holds copyright for whatever is written on it. For information to be able to be used on Wikipedia, it must be released to the public domain under GFDL. There is a message on your talk page with more information about all of this, and what you can do. I would recommend you read Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission as well as the above linked GFDL. Even if you own the website and the copyright, that does not mean it can be used (word for word) on Wikipedia without permission. The easiest thing to do is just to re-write it without breaking the copyright, but if you feel it is absolutely necessary to copy and paste word for word, then read the above linked articles.

If I remember correctly, there was also an issue with notability. Please also read WP:COMPANY and WP:V for guidelines on notability and verfiability... - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

I understand, I think the major issue is that it would be a conflict of interest and then the copyright obviously. I could rewrite the text so there is no copyright issue, but want to make sure that I am not putting myself and my other contributions in to a watch list. So if one or both of you tell me if I reword it I can repost I will otherwise I will leave it for now. We being the GTA have been written up in several external articles that I did not link to because I thought it would be a violation of "advertising."

For additional contributions I consider critical and would like to contritube to are for example, environmental technologies. Clean, Environmental, Green and Sustainable Technologies should and do have different definitions. What is the most appropriate way to address breaking these out and cleaning up the articles that exist under Green Computing, Green Building and the 4 types of technologies. As well there needs to be Green IT as a separate category, Green datacenters, etc. Also standards that are being developed in this space should have a separate entry. Michelle.naquin (talk) 17:38, 19 July 2008 (UTC) Michelle.Naquin

My reply here.

The only thing that I would add to Xeno's reply would be to check out the links provided in the 'Welcome' message left at the top of your talk page. As far as your company goes, there are the concerns with copyvio & COI, but also, unless you can show notability, and are able to verify that notability, the article will not make it. This doesn't automatically mean your company will never be notable, there are hundreds of articles about companies created each day that don't pass WP:N or WP:V, one day it could be notable, just not yet (or that notability is not verifiable yet).

As far as other contributions are concerned, please feel free to contribute wherever and whatever you wish, so long as those contributions also pass the assorted guidelines. Again, the 'Welcome' message at the top of your talk page can answer most 'new editor' questions you may have. If you need help with anything, leave a message here, or on your talk page, or on mine. If you leave it here, then you might get a faster response (but not necessarily from me or Xeno), as there are quite a few people watching stalking here (rawr). And you can always use the {{helpme}} template on your own talk page if no one answers you here. - Adolphus79 (talk) 18:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

Block

(Re [6]) Im sorry, i didnt mean to violate policy, i misread the "Bots (short for "robots") are generally programs or scripts that make automated edits without the necessity of human decision-making." One of the tasks the bot was performing is manual and i am in full control off (and dont need approval for), the other one (image tagging) was fully automatic, which is what you probably blocked it for (my bad). Since you have unblocked would you care to remove your block notice from BAG, thanks   «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l»  (talk) 16:17, 19 July 2008 (UTC)

My replies here.

WP:RFPERM

Hey, I was going to archive the completed requests on the WP:RFPERM page, but I can't figure out how the archives work with the T-x sections... help? --Admrb♉ltz (t • c • log) 05:08, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks like SoxBot took care of it... Thanks =) –xeno (talk) 14:41, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

OHNOHS!!!!!

Oh nohs!!! activity sloweds... Wikipedia iz falling aparts! long live AN/X!!!! - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:43, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

heh.. maybe just steering clear of teh dramahz =) –xeno (talk) 15:47, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

We needz moar cheezeburgerz? - Adolphus79 (talk) 15:51, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Cheeseburger delivery! GlassCobra 15:55, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Looks tasty... I may have to duck out now fo foodz =) –xeno (talk) 15:56, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

U haz cheeseburger rite heer! GlassCobra 15:57, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

mmm...belgian waffles... bbiab =) –xeno (talk) 16:04, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Mmm... B&G...

dammit... now I'm hungry... breakfast time I guess... Can I has Sausage gravy & biscuitz? - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Yayz, activityz, AN/X FTW!!! - Adolphus79 (talk) 16:14, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

(full stomach) Hrm, shouldn't that have been uploaded to the commons? –xeno (talk) 17:31, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

sure, I suppose it could've been... someone might transclude it one day, some of my photos have been transcluded, some haven't... LOL - Adolphus79 (talk) 17:42, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you..

..for your change to the talk page on the latest RfA. Slipped my mind : ) Wisdom89 _{(T / ^C)} 20:18, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

N'est pas problème. –xeno (talk) 20:25, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

disruptive removal of discussion

Do you have any idea as how hypocritical your removal of the discussion at Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/Okiefromokla (which I have undone now, because this disruption of discussion cannot go on like that) comes off seeing how you were indeed the first one to respond to him in J.delanoy's RfA? Please don't disrupt good-faithed discussion like that. And when I put bold letters in there that say DO NOT REMOVE THIS GOOD-FAITHED CONSTRUCTIVE POSTING, I usually mean it, and please assume, if you find it in you, that I wrote that for a very good reason. Turns out I did. The point is that Kurt prefers to state his opinion in individual RfAs rather than a central discussion. It strictly follows that all the discussion to which he opens up his opinions by stating them must take place where he takes them: In those same RfAs. I regard removal of civil discussion as highly disruptive. Please don't do it again. user:Everyme 01:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The discussion was not removed, it was simply moved to the talk page of the RFA, as is customary when long drawn out discussions regarding kurt's oppose occur. If I trigger one of these long discussions, I'll be the first one to suggest it gets moved, out of respect for the candidate. kurt has even shown himself willing to engage in the discussion once it is moved to the talk page (where it probably belongs - as it often has nothing to do with the candidate). –xeno (talk) 05:54, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

"as is customary" — It's a bad habit. There is nothing disruptive or uncivil in that thread, just some users exchanging their opinion in what ostensibly is a discussion. What needs to stop even more than unuseful, uncivil badgering of Kurt (or anyone else for that matter) is the regular stifling of all civil and potentially constructive discussion surrounding it, first and foremost because this automated removal of every response to one of his opposes creates the impression that RfA is not a discussion. And yes, "moving" it to the talk page does very much mean removing it from the main RfA page. Please, just don't do it in an automated fashion anymore. If there are truly uncivil comments and the whole thing degenerates into pure mudslinging, then yes, it may be ok to excise certain parts. But (re)moving it wholesale just because it's a discussion following one of Kurt's opposes should be totally out of the question. user:Everyme 06:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

but it had nothing to do with the candidate - which is why i moved it. it was not automatic. look, i used to try and get kurt to change his mind about the power hunger thing too, but it just won't work. i think he likes the negative attention. and obviously, people keep feeding him it. anyhow, the discussion doesn't get stifled, people still go to the talk page, and still comment. and as I've said elsewhere, he could do a lot worse to the candidate - by actually finding a legitimate reason to oppose and people might actually say, hey - yea, "oppose per kurt". as it stands now, he usually just gets people to support the candidate just to offset his pointy oppose. p.s. kurt reads every comment that gets posted in opposition to him - whether be it on the rfa, the rfa's talk page, or wt:rfa. he lives for that. if he doesn't respond, he's just doing it to bug you. when he wants to respond, he will. –xeno (talk) 06:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Of course it had nothing to do with the candidate — just like Kurt's oppose doesn't. Look, if the community decides to tolerate Kurt's opposes, which is fine by me, they must consequently also tolerate the discussion they cause. That is incidentally the primary problem I see with Kurt's opposes: They barely relate to the candidate, and Kurt even says so himself. What is not possible is to tolerate Kurt's non-candidate-related opposes, but at the same time curb any debate those opposes create. It's a matter of reap what you sow, you being the people who defend Kurt's right to express his opinion any way he likes and to "defend" him from being badgered. You can't just come charging in and say that he has to be tolerated while my good-faithed efforts can be removed just like that. If and when Kurt decides to try and make his (partly valid!) points in an appropriate central venue, the discussion will happen there. So long as he doesn't, it will happen wherever he drops them. You can´'t have one without the other. Bottom line, because I notice that I'm about to lose my temper over this shit again: Just don't move around any comment of mine without (i) an excellent reason and without (ii) notifying me. Ok? user:Everyme 06:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm asking for input/clarification at AN. user:Everyme 09:13, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough - but your comments were not removed, they were just moved. Next time a kurt-based oppose thread that you are involved in becomes unwieldy, I'll let you know after I move it (unless of course, community consensus changes such that we decide to leave such threads in place - and just for clarity - it's not just the extended-discussions-after-kurt that get moved, it happens with other extended discussions too - kurt's opposes just attract them so very often).

Thanks for letting me know. –xeno (talk) 12:21, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for restoring it, hopefully it will stick, at least this one time. Btw, with regard to your comment at AN that it's "such a fine line". I had another look, and honestly I don't think it is. It started not to be a rational discussion about the oppose and how it relates to the candidate precisely with this comment, incidentally the minute before you first moved the thread. Whatever the best course of action —mind you, I readily accept that restoring the comments is merely my own POV, albeit for reasons laid out at AN—, a polite reminder to keep comments on track and not digress into detached meta-commentary, let alone of the type that discusses the contributor and speculates on his motivations might be a generally useful auxiliary in such situations. Granted, it takes two to tango, but often it takes only one to take a discussion downhill. user:Everyme 14:10, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's exactly where I was going to cut it on the tail end, but I was also considering cutting some stuff from the lead-in as well, and then once I started getting into that I just said "fsck it" and restored the whole shebang. –xeno (talk) 14:12, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Which is fine by me as well. Just returned here to add my finding that while I hate to denounce other people, he happens to have a bit of a history as far as personal attacks go. user:Everyme 14:18, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm gunna make another stab at removing the stuff unrelated to the candidate, if that's ok with you. –xeno (talk) 14:19, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Fire away. Anything that preserves the valid parts (i.e., the actual discussion of the topic at hand) is ok with me. user:Everyme 14:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

 Done [7] - as per my statement on the RFA talk page, feel free to move anything back that you might feel was still relevant. –xeno (talk) 14:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Nah, I won't move anything around there any more. At any rate, good call. The parts you left out are precisely the ones which are not in any way related to the RfA. user:Everyme 14:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

cheers =) i'll try to be more discerning in the future. –xeno (talk) 14:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

(outdent) Ah yes, about that... Your comment about the fine line at AN actually made me feel bad for my initial aggressive reaction. I'm quite aware that you moved the discussion not, as I assumed and alleged, in defense of Kurt but instead you were merely trying to do the best. I think you've mastered the challenge admirably, and if anything, the lesson that should stick is that you can trust your judgement and shouldn't hesitate to exercise discretion. Definitely preferable, in this case at least, over a wholesale removal out of the understandable but in your case unjustifed fear of doing the wrong thing. user:Everyme 14:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

ah thanks for that mate, and don't sweat it =) –xeno (talk) 14:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

rememered the name and got even scores on validity

i just remembered, the movie was "the day the earth stood still. i tried finding the novels you recommended at the book stores here but no one ever heard of them. i guess i can get them from Amazon but haven't mustered much desire to order from overseas and pay that much shipping.

as for leadership gurus. it seems to be a tie. one guy says no, one guy says yes... "what does it all mean???" you are the only person who takes me seriously in the world of wiki. even in the real world people underestimate my mental ability because of the way i look. at least hear i am only seen for my knowledge an contribution, or at least that is the way i would like to think...

Hotmarcie (talk) 03:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

User:Jimthebobfred

You may want to look at this. Would it be appropriate to give him the "second chance" template or whatever it is? I don't think I have ever seen someone who was blocked indefinitely be so persistent in saying that they have reformed. J.delanoy^gabs_adds 15:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I don't see anything redeeming about that person's contributions. Even in my "hypothetical" case, he does have the one edit to his credit. Heck even the "wikichums" thing seems trollish. But you're certainly free to suggest it to Risker. –xeno (talk) 15:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you!

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thank you for going above and beyond in improving User:NuclearWarfare/Welcome and then smoothing out some of my mistakes in failing to use the subst: tag NuclearWarfare (talk) 15:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Shiny! Thanks =) –xeno (talk) 15:06, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Help requested

I don't have a lot of time currently, so I was wondering if you could sort out James Barry for me. I came across it, and some of the articles seem to have titles not consistent with the MOS, and the Irish MP articles all have issues (similar issues, considering they were created by the same user. Enigma ^message 17:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

In the words of a great man, "Can't someone else do it?" ;> –xeno (talk) 17:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I've had a look at it and it seems info is very poor. I'll keep doing research and hopefully resolve it in the next day or two. That way Xeno can concentrate on what he does best :) Lympathy ^Talk 17:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

heh, cheers. i'll probably take a look at this when I get more time, but during the day I'm usually all about the in-and-out quick jobs. –xeno (talk) 17:37, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

As odd as it sounds, from all the research I've done, the edits are 100% correct and all dates reflect the references given and agree with what I could find. They all appear to be different people. Lympathy ^Talk 17:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Even so, the articles need work to even be stub-quality, and they should be moved, IMO. My problem is I'm not certain what they should be renamed to. Enigma ^message 18:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Naming conventions (people) is far too complicated for me to fully comprehend whilst I'm working =) –xeno (talk) 18:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

The problem here is that I believe Barry (1659) and Barry (1689) to be related but I can't find any evidence of this, also Barry (1739 may also be related). Lympathy ^Talk 18:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

MFB II

I've stopped the bott for now. Again, I apologize. I really don't know why its editing dismbig pages, it should be skipping them. I'll keep it stopped until I can fix that. Thanks, « Milk's Favorite Cøøkie 17:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem, though it would probably be a good idea to manually correct those errors. I corrected a few that I saw on the interwiki's I already have active, didn't want to create new accounts on other langs =) –xeno (talk) 17:57, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

You da man/woman!

No offense on title! >.> Thanks for making me an account! ~~Sealim~~ (talk)

No problem. Happy editing, –xeno (talk) 18:50, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Sonic and the Black Knight

Can you check the article. That user is saying the source is not working. When i checked those two links it is working fine. Also that user is using filthy language. --SkyWalker (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

looking at the article, the sources, and the history, you are both close to WP:3RR. I placed a warning on his/her/it's talk page regarding this... I would recommend you step back from the article for a moment just to be sure you don't also break 3RR... I will keep an eye on the article, as well as the user. - Adolphus79 (talk) 19:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

How am i breaking the 3RR?. He is blanking the article and calming the source is not working. He is also used filthy languages at me such has calling me a bitch and ignorant dumbass. Anyways it is 1 am here. Iam going to sleep. Take care Adolphus. --SkyWalker (talk) 19:15, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

He's blocked for edit warring, incivility & personal attacks. As far as 3RR, you should have been fine per the exception policy. –xeno (talk) 19:22, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. You are my wonderful brother. :D. --SkyWalker (talk) 19:25, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

MFC RfA

(Re [8]) Yes, I just saw Keepscases' talk page. Reverted self. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 19:04, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

RfA "warning"

I'm surprised that you consider some questions "inappropriate," and yet you defend Kurt's right to oppose nearly every RfA with the same or similar reason and no explanation. I find the unique questions at every RfA to serve a valuable purpose - you cannot "game" the system by studying for a question that has never appeared before. I admit that my own random question was an easy one to answer, but it was still unexpected, a little off the beaten path, and useful to the RfA process. Part of the process is to see how a candidate reacts when something unexpected happens. I think we should leave it be, and even welcome it.  Frank  |  talk  19:05, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I, too, thought it was strange that you removed the question about drugs, but not the one about the "cookie obsession". Seemed like a double standard. Useight (talk) 19:07, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Keepcases has a history of asking inappropriate questions, I'm only enforcing the warning that WJBscribe issued to him previously. Also per this, MFC is drug free. –xeno (talk) 19:11, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I know of Keepcases' past RFA questions, he asked me on my RFA if I was going to leave any of my estate to the Wikimedia Foundation upon my death. This particular question seemed to be more applicable to adminship than most of his past questions. Useight (talk) 19:26, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Put it back then. I won't edit war over it. He's been asked by WJBscribe not to ask inappropriate questions, yet he continues. The question seemed to make an assumption that the user is a drug user, which I find inappropriate. –xeno (talk) 19:30, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

(ec)The question was added as a joke, no reason to get upset with Keep but perfectly valid to remove a question that is just wasting time and space. Maybe if the editor had some prior known issues with drugs then it would be a good question, but let's be real here. Cookie question should have been removed too. It's not so much that the questions are majorly disruptive, but rather they reflect people just goofing around and removing the questions seem to be the correct BOLD move. Gwynand | Talk•Contribs 19:32, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I removed the question because I felt it was a joke question from Keepscases. It does have some sort of relevance to adminship, but his history of question-asking on RfA doesn't show him as being a serious person. Nishkid64 _{(Make articles, not wikidrama)} 19:34, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

(edit conflict)(reply to Xeno) Hmm, when you put it that way, removing it sounds fine. Probably ought to remove the cookie question, too. I've got to head off to class now, so this is my last edit for a little while. Useight (talk) 19:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

I left the cookie question because the user doesn't have a prior history of asking disruptive questions. However, per WT:Requests for adminship/Archive 125#Going to start removing stupid questions, it should probably be removed as well. –xeno (talk) 19:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

(@ frank) I don't really think I'm the staunch defender of kurt's opposes that you think I am, I used to be on the other side of the coin but I've come around somewhat. "I may not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death, your right to say it." Anyhow, keepscases has a history of asking these silly questions which is why I removed his; but somewhat per your other sentiment, I left the cookie one. –xeno (talk) 19:40, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:CFD/W

(Re [9]) The WP:CFD/W page is permanently protected, so while normal editors could take care of moving the articles and whatnot, they wouldn't be able to update the page or add in anything, also meaning they couldn't close CFDs like they used to (adding to the backlog). Why they can't and the details behind it I don't hve a good knowledge of. Wizardman 20:45, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

My reply here.

I'm in ur talk page, making new sectionz

I was wondering: would it be terribly rude, if I were to run for RfA, to intentionally leave the acceptence line up just to piss you off? :-) --KojiDude ^(C) 20:53, 21 July 2008 (UTC)