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Photos of diplomatic missions in Moscow

Hi NVO, I have recently reformatted List of diplomatic missions in Russia into table format, and have included a column for photos of the actual diplomatic mission in Moscow (and other Russian cities). As you can see from that article, many of your photos have been used, and I was wondering if it may be possible for you to take photos of the other diplomatic missions in Moscow on your travels. With your photos of the missions thus far they really do add to the article, and it would be great to have this article progress from a simple list, to a fully fledged article on the history of diplomatic missions in Russia, with the view of getting it to featured article quality. Is this something you may be able to collaborate on in the future? If needed, I can provide you with a complete list of the addresses in Moscow for reference. Of course, for myself, one of the most wanted photos is of the embassy at 109028, Москва, Подколокольный переулок, д. 10А/2, that of course being the Australian Embassy. If this is something you may be able to help with, I would like to hear from you. Пока. --Россавиа Диалог 08:24, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Here's a corner of Australian Embassy visible Image:Moscow, Podkolokolny Lane 10, 11.jpg. NVO (talk) 08:52, 7 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • I repopulated the commons cat. But editing the supertable is beyond my humble means :)). NVO (talk) 21:21, 15 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • Wow, you have been busy. The additional photos look great, and I see you have added many of them already, and I've added the Vietnamese, Latvian, South African and Malian embassy photos which you have taken. As one of your interests is architecture, and one of my interests is international relations (and particularly international relations of the Rodina), perhaps you would like to collaborate with myself in creating individual articles for the various embassies and missions in Moscow? I can provide information on the history of the diplomatic mission (the staff, history of diplomatic relations, etc), you could provide information on the history of the actual building in which the mission is situated. This will also aid development of other articles such as Bolshaya Nikitskaya Street, Povarskaya Street, Ivan Sergeyevich Kuznetsov, etc, etc. Would you be interested in that? --Россавиа Диалог 23:46, 16 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
      • I also left you a message on commons, but will put it here also, in regards to Image:Moscow, Bolshaya Ordynka 46.jpg, I thought you may like to know that this is the Representation of the Chuvash Republic in Moscow. As you probably know, the most of the regions of Russia have a representative office in Moscow. How could these representative offices be categorised do you think? And perhaps it could make for another interesting article, such as the Diplomatic missions in Russia article I am working on. what do you think? --Россавиа Диалог 18:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
        • Also, would you have photos of Bolshaya Ordynka 70 (Kenyan embassy), Bolshaya Ordynka 64 (Kyrgyzstan embassy) and Bolshaya Ordynka 56 (Israel embassy)? --Россавиа Диалог 18:18, 19 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As of Bolshaya Ordynka - the street is beign dug throughout, limited to just one or two traffic lanes. Doesn't help nice pictures.

  • No. 46 - still flying Chuvash flag. The southern firewall is all ripped open - because corner No. 48 - was demolished this year.
  • No. 56 - Israel - completely surrounded with big dig. Anyway, there's little to photograph - looks more like a prison, a dull building behind an impressive fortification.
  • No. 64 - uploaded.
  • No. 70 - being repaired. No signs of embassy (or any life forms).
  • No. 72 - not on your list - embassy of Argentina.NVO (talk) 07:47, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hi NVO, thanks for the extra uploads. A couple of questions you might be able to answer...
Доброслободская, 6 is still being 'repaired' (it was actually torn down three years ago, core built in summer 2007 and still shrouded in scaffolding). Who can have a rep mission? Anyone, so in addition to mission of Novosibirsk region there's a mission of City of Novosibirsk. NVO (talk) 00:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Austrian and New Zealand embassies had quite good articles on their buildings. NVO (talk) 00:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The New Zealand embassy maintains a really good site with 4 pages of great information relating to Mindovsky House, which is located at http://www.mindovsky.ru/embassy_building/index_eng.html or http://www.mindovsky.ru/embassy_building/index_ru.html (for Russian), and it has many photos which we could use on Commons, what do you think?
The photographs on Novy Arbat are definitely 1950s or 60s, so the answer is no (on commons). At least one wooden building shown - Lermontov museum - is still alive. NVO (talk) 00:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Do you have any opportunity to go to Мосфильмовская улица? As there are many embassies located there, including Bosnia and Herzegovina (50), Bulgaria (66), Germany (56), Hungary (62), Kuwait (44), Libya (38), Malaysia (50), Nicaragua (50), North Korea (72), Panama (50), Romania (64), Serbia (46) and Sweden (60), and as yet, I can't find photos of any of these embassies on commons. In the cases of Bosnia, Malaysia, Nicaragua and Panama, if they only occupy an office in a building, if it is possible to get a photo of the 'embassy office' as well as the building from the outside that would be great. Any chance of this request mate? Cheers, --Россавиа Диалог 18:36, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd hold uploading pictures of 20th century buildings until Deletion requests/French architects is resolved (if it is resolved favorably). Anyway, Mosfilmovskaya street offices are quite dull Brezhnev-style blocks, nothing to write home about. NVO (talk) 16:19, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What a silly proposition it is at that discussion, and I had to laugh at your comment. When the discussion is finished, and if it finishes favourably, any photos you can do in that area at any stage would be hugely appreciated. Even if they are of Brezhnev-era buildings (I shudder at the thought, really, лол). I see from a map of Ramenki within that small area there are 13 missions, with the Uruguay and Chinese missions just SW of the main mission area. I have re-formatted the list again, to separate Moscow, Saint Petersburg and the rest of Russia, as I have am finding a lot of info on the general diplomatic community in Moscow and Saint Petersburg, which I believe will fit in quite well with the lists; do you think personally that adding the District field is a valuable addition to the Moscow list? --Россавиа Диалог 15:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

On a somewhat side issue, what do you think should be the balance of information between, Embassy of Armenia in Moscow and Lazarev Institute of Oriental Languages ? NVO (talk) 11:54, 30 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have redirected the embassy article to the institute article for the time being, and will add more information to the institute article in regards to the embassy. --Россавиа Диалог 15:02, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In regards to Japan, you have this photo, and you have taken this photo only recently. On the embassy website, and on the MID website, the address is given as Грохольский переулок, 27. I have used this address at Embassy of Japan in Moscow, but am wondering if the building at Kalashny Lane may be the ambassador's residence, or some other building connected with the embassy. What do you think about this? --Россавиа Диалог 16:51, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • They indeeed relocated the main office to Groholsky, 27 in March 2007. Kalashny Lane is their consulate. NVO (talk) 16:59, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your note

I copyedited and replied on my talk. Regards, dvdrw 01:20, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Koltsevaya Line

Hi there, I've been making numerous additions wrt stations on that line, right now I've completed up to this shedevr, since you know a lot on the subject can you review the articles please? --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 10:58, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Вот вероятный источник щусевского ордера этой станции
  • А вот вероятный повод к удалению всех фото из статьи Deletion_requests/French_architects
  • А вообще статья "неэнциклопеличная" - weasel words, вкусовщина, и вообще на кольце лучшая Краснопресненская. Там не такая давка :)). NVO (talk) 13:00, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Согласен, сам рядом с ней жил. Но все равно Комсомольская самая парадная. --Kuban Cossack (По-балакаем?) 14:21, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello

Thank you very much for writing Miron Merzhanov.

I have made some minor changes to attempt to fix some things. In particular, would you please take a look at the English translations of the Russian titles of the two sources for the article? I do not know Russian, so these are educated guesses, and I would like to know if they are reasonably correct.

Thanks, « D. Trebbien (talk) 00:52, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's correct, thanks for straightening it up. NVO (talk) 07:53, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I partially reverted your changes on the 1944 paragraph. The point there was that 'testimonies' against MM (and thousands others) were collected well in advance and were carefully stored 'until due time' (in 1938 MM was at the peak of his career, sort of an untouchable) - your edit somehow blanked this aspect. The dead witnesses each signed probably hundreds of these accusations (and who am I to blame them). Anyway, the fact of reppressions against an architect of his caliber is quite unique (I can only recall Vyacheslav Oltarzhevsky and on a lesser scale Gevorg Kochar). NVO (talk) 08:02, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks.
I removed some info on the 1944 paragraph because it seemed like point of view, as it was written. However, it seems that your sources can factually verify the claim that their testimonies were "prepared in advance".
I am curious, though. Why would an architect be sentenced to labor camps for Anti-Soviet activities, when he designed for Stalin? Was it because he was not part of the military, fighting against the German invasion?
« D. Trebbien (talk) 13:19, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody knows (neither did Voroshilov, nor Mikoyan). According to Akulov, Merzhanov believed that he became a pawn in Beria's play, no evidence, one man's opinion. Harem politics. There was some logic in pre-war terror, in 1940s it was plain irrational. Your point on the war misses the nature of totalitarian state: in an all-out, it's literally all out - he was part of the military engineers, although without uniform. NVO (talk) 21:16, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In case you didn't notice

There is a request for a footnote for you here.[1] Regards, dvdrw 20:49, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Miron Merzhanov DYK

Updated DYK query On 23 July, 2008, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Miron Merzhanov, which you created or substantially expanded. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

--Congratulations! PeterSymonds (talk) 01:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

DYK

I've responded to your comments here. I am still waiting for Bullzeye to give me details on the second source, but I've retrieved some from the first. If you have the time to revisit it, that'd be great. Make sure we get this right! Jennavecia (Talk) 16:35, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bullzeye made a point - there are no reliable public documents other than what was produced by Polish courts in 1990s, and Tokarev's story is the only eyewitness source on Ostashkov shooting. Guilty as hell, but that's it. Now if the Soviets release the 200+ volumes that are now locked up as "classifieds", this may shed more light. But look at this from a different angle - why would a simple exectutioner (NKVD major in 1940) be eventually promoted and survive the post-war NKVD shuffle? Ordinary shooters disappeared in droves; Blokhin was quite different. NVO (talk) 10:00, 13 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Consulate-General of France in Saint Petersburg

Hi NVO, I have started Consulate-General of France in Saint Petersburg and have nominated it for DYK. I was wondering if you might be able to check it, and perhaps you might be able to find something more on this building? I am also gonna start doing more on the embassies in Moscow - France and Brazil will be first - perhaps do them at the rate of one a week or something, so that they too can be put up for DYKs. Anything you may be able to add on the SPB consulate would be appreciated. Cheers --Russavia Dialogue Stalk me 16:55, 12 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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