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Logo of Wells Fargo Plaza

I'm sorry I tried to delete the logo, but we're not talking about an airport or a corporation, we're talking about a SKYSCRAPER. SKYSCRAPERs need to have, if any picture whatsoever, a picture of itself in the skyscraper box. I admit, I made a horrible mistake in rashly deleting it. Now I have shifted it to the gallery and replaced it with a picture of the actual building. Best Wishes. Fajubi (talk) 00:16, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, I will not interfere anymore with the logo as long as there is a picture of the actual building in the box too. It's a compromise I guess. Just for the record, if you find any skyscraper article on Wikipedia that incorporates a logo in its infobox, I would dearly like to know. Fajubi (talk) 00:29, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate your cooperation and response to my request. However, although you found (or created) an article with a logo of a skyscraper, you didn't find another one with a logo in the infobox. On another note, you probably edit a lot of Houston articles, which coincidentially enough, I'm from too. Fajubi (talk) 00:37, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Note to myself

http://images.businessweek.com/ss/07/11/1116_bestplaces_kids/index_01.htm http://mdn.mainichi.jp/culture/waiwai/face/archive/news/2007/20070405p2g00m0dm038000c.html http://web.archive.org/web/20040328164626/http://www.midatlantic-airways.com/ http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ratanews.ru%2Fasp%2Fnews.asp%3Fn%3D573&langpair=ru%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9402E2D81139EF32A25750C2A9609C946097D6CF http://bnfod.ufacom.ru/English/massmedia_2.html http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/air_space/4221138.html?page=5

Closed consulates

I noticed your discussion with Kransky on his talk page in regards to closed consulates. Within Diplomatic missions in Russia I am in the future intending on breaking out the consulates in Saint Petersburg to its own Diplomatic missions in Saint Petersburg article; ths is due to the fact that SPB was once the capital of Russia, and as such also hosted many embassies up until the Bolshevik revolution and the city has a rich diplomatic history which is notable, verifiable and as such, should be noted. Notes on closures of embassies/consulates, etc should be in prose form, and should be notable in the overall structure. In terms of a country's diplomatic network, the closure of a consulate in say Houston is likely to be not all that notable. However, in terms of Diplomatic missions in Houston, it is entirely notable; a good format would have to chosen for such an article; and I would be suggesting such as Diplomatic missions in Russia. As noted here by another editor, compare the Russian list to List of diplomatic missions in India, and the Indian list is basically useless. I will be pushing with wikiprojects to get some consensus on what these articles should be containing and how they are formatted, because frankly, the way they are set up now is not encyclopaedic and does not allow for article development, either development of the list or development of other articles (such as the C-G in Houston). Thoughts welcome --Россавиа Диалог 11:12, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

With regard to your edit of Tetsusaiga

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1) Don't remove content which can be verified by anyone who knows the basics of the topic.
2) Don't remove content, even when unsourced, if you yourself know that it can be sourced, especially when you have participated in a discussion in which a source was actually given.

Searching for pages on Google with either one or the other name (not both, thus weeding out those discussing the name difference) gives about a

"Results 1 - 30 of about 96,300 for tetsusaiga -tessaiga. (0.34 seconds)"
"Results 1 - 30 of about 77,100 for tessaiga -tetsusaiga. (0.24 seconds)"

This reflects a significant proportion of usage for Tesseiga in English language pages, over 40% (assuming that Japanese pages don't use the English name). To maintain WP:NPOV, Tesseiga can't just be ignored as a Japan-only name.

Blatant removal of unharmful and easily-sourced content does not improve the article. You have other options, such as "citation needed" tags and section headers. Much of the content you removed was encyclopedic, NPOV, and could quickly be backed up by reliable sources. All that was necessary was to remove all mentions of how Viz made a "mistake". The proper action in this situation would have been, if not a rewrite, a section tag which alerted others to the POV in the topic. --Raijinili (talk) 15:20, 6 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You claim WP:OR and cite WP:RS. Let's see...
The name 'Tetsusaiga' is not an entirely correct translation from the original Japanese name for the sword. InuYasha's sword is actually known as the 'Tessaiga' in Japanese...
This was proven on Talk:Tetsusaiga with an image of the usage in the Japanese anime. I know you've very likely seen this, as you responded on said talk page two lines later.
... but when translating the series from Japanese to English, due to either an error or an intentional change, it became the Tetsusaiga.
Are you arguing that I have no reliable source for the fact that it was changed in translation, or that it was either an error or an intentional change? In the case of the latter claim, it conforms to a NPOV, covers all main possibilities, and, really, doesn't need a source since it's common sense that the rather common (as many Japanese readers would know) misreading of the smaller character "tsu" makes the possibility of a mistranslation significant enough to warrant a mention.
The smaller version of the hiragana character "tsu (kana)" (っ) was mistaken for the larger version of the hiragana character "tsu" (つ).
I can see your point for this part. I think I planned to change "mistaken" to "taken". However, an intentional mistake is still a mistake (i.e. taken as something which it isn't).
So, instead of doubling the consonant "s" in the name, the syllable "tsu" was inserted into the name, thus giving us 'Tetsusaiga'."
Whether intentionally or unintentionally, it's common sense again that says that the small "tsu" was read as a large "tsu", and it's clear by the result it gave us.
Other than the single use of "mistaken", nothing that I wrote required sources, or if it did, you yourself knew that they existed and where to find them. That's applying selective ignorance to make a point. While RS is important, your removal violates WP:NPOV, since you knew of a source for some of the information. Reliable sources are excellent to have, but the policy is Verifiability, not RS, and how much sources are required is outlined in WP:V: "All quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged should be attributed to a reliable, published source using an inline citation." Anyone with a copy of the original Japanese with the furigana and a good eye can verify for themselves whether the "tsu" is small.
The only part you're really challenging, as far as I know, is that it was a mistake. Then change the part which says it's a mistake! I know you can do it.
As far as using Google, your dismissal of my usage has several flaws.
1) I didn't use ranking. Ranking is relatively easy to manipulate. Raw count is harder, unless you're xkcd.
2) I don't see where on WP:OR "we" exclude Google usage as a whole. My use of Google, to prove the popularity of a term, is a listed use of Google and other search engines in WP:SET: "Alternative spellings and usages can have their relative frequencies checked (eg, for a debate which is the more common of two equally neutral and acceptable terms)." I'm not using Google to establish notability or as a source for the "mistake", but rather to gauge relative popular usage in English, which is an accepted use for search engines on Wikipedia.
And I have to add another "don't" to the list. Don't revert edits involved in an active issue unless the content is immediately harmful to the encyclopedia. This kind of behavior leads to Edit wars, which ARE harmful to Wikipedia. Most of the article is unsourced, yet isn't likely to be challenged and isn't harmful. Fixing it doesn't mean blanking the page. --Raijinili (talk) 00:42, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
What is DOES NOT SAY is whether "Tetsusaiga" was a mistake.
"Tetsusaiga" is an obvious mistake. The question is whether it's intentional.
Because no relaible sources say that Tetsusaiga was a mistake, you cannot add this information in.
I offered a compromise of changing it to "taken" from "mistaken". Regardless, an objection to one word of one line is not just cause to remove the whole section.
A sentence like "due to either an error or an intentional change, it became the Tetsusaiga." does not belong in here. There may be a third, or fourth possibility.
But, as far as you or I know, they are not significant possibilities. They are "fringe cases", and thus adding them in would violate WP:NPOV and WP:OR, while NOT adding in the significant possibilities would violate NPOV.
Suggesting that it may be due to an error is OR too.
The point is, if it's verifiable, it's not original research. The small "tsu" misreading is easy to make, something which can be verified by the reader by checking the "sokuon" page and inspecting for themselves the similarity. This makes it a significant possibility, and thus must be covered by the policy of NPOV.
From WP:NOTOR (emphasis mine): "Many sources contain typographical and proofing errors, some more than others. Claiming tendentiously that such a mistake represents the author's intent is often dishonest."
BTW, this name change does not need a section on its own as there is no information about it.
As I keep saying, NOT to have a section on it violates NPOV. The change is notable because it is one of very few names which did not directly come from the original Japanese intention. The difference is significant because, as I've shown, both names are popular in English usage.
No information? No confirmation, but to say that there is no information is dishonest. Because there is no confirmation, we must represent all significant and notable possibilities on the page.
In an encyclopedia, you do not refer to the reader as "us"
Then, again, change it yourself. It's a minor change, and it's no reason to delete content.
You do not need an entire section about how the name is different unless you have sources that explain how it is significant. As there is no significance to the name change (no reliable sources that state anything special about it), there is no need for a section.
Once again, the policy is verifiability, not reliable sources. --Raijinili (talk) 13:49, 7 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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sgt. Frog

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Re: Article idea for Diplomatic missions in Houston

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WP:RS says it has to be a reliable secondary source independent of the subject. Thus, the site can't be a source itself. ViperSnake151 23:41, 16 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]


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Angolan consulate

Thank you for seeking consulation on the photograph of the lobby of the consulate in Houston. The question you need to ask is whether the picture really demonstrates what the item is, at first glance. My first impression is that I don't see a consulate. Instead, I see the door to an office. Is there anything notable about the office door? No, not really. An embassy building looks more unique than a generic office. Kransky (talk) 10:27, 19 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Does the photograph of a corridor with the Equatorial Guinea and American flags, and a portrait of the EG President, "says a lot about the EG Government"? Well, this is what my detective skills tell me:

  • They forget that English sticks to the French convention of (noun) (adjective) in translating "consulate general")
  • They perhaps cannot afford an office with carpet
  • The EG President likes white hankerchiefs

Are these facts notable? No. Is anything here relevant? The fact that they have a presence in Houston (because of oil interests) may be worth raising, but it is not worthwhile indicating through a photograph.

I think this needs to go to RfC, as we both have different ideas about what is notable. Kransky (talk) 06:42, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This time I wasn't referring to the "Diplomatic missions" article - I instead placed the picture in the politics page. Anyway, here's the thing - when you go into an American consulate, do you see a large picture of George W. Bush as the very first photograph that you see? WhisperToMe (talk) 06:44, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
I don't think it is appropriate. Equatorial Guinea went through a coup four years ago and there are other noteworthy aspects about EG's political life - I don't think a photo of a lobby with some regalia of EG does justice to the topic. Kransky (talk) 12:00, 20 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Arudou Debito's daughters

I'm sorry, I'm not seeing anything near "consensus" on the talk page. Arudou may mention them by name on his site in passing, but I don't see (and judging by the talk page, the vocal majority doesn't either) a reason as to why we should include their full names on Wikipedia. Simply saying "one daughter looks Japanese, the other doesn't" is enough to communicate his point.

At the very least, we don't need the full English & Japanese names on his page. Couldn't first names suffice? --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 01:40, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Again, his usage of his daughters' names in the context of his arguments is his prerogative. That's a website that he controls and readers are welcome to visit his site and investigate. I'm not hearing a reason why the name of these children, both of whom are minors, need to be included on his Wikipedia page. --Do Not Talk About Feitclub (contributions) 01:47, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

For template

You might want to read about the {{for}} template. It's useful instead of all the dashes and such that you've been putting at the tops of articles. For an example, see my edit at the Rachel Fuller article. Dismas|(talk) 21:43, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

ANI discussion

Just a heads up: There's a = discussion going on about you here Wikipedia:Ani#WhisperToMe_.28crossposted_from_Help_Desk.29. -Chunky Rice (talk) 22:52, 22 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry about the way I handled this. I should have asked what you were up to on your talk page first. I see now what you're doing. I don't agree with it but I see what your intention is/was. Dismas|(talk) 07:51, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Table

Hi, can you tell how to align the table in Anti-tobacco_movement_in_Nazi_Germany#Effectiveness in the right of the third paragraph? Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 03:53, 25 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia talk:Requests for mediation/Singapore Airlines#Opening statements

Hello. I'm Ryan, the mediator of the above request for mediation. Would it be possible for you to pop over to the link above so we can start the mediation properly? Regards, Ryan PostlethwaiteSee the mess I've created or let's have banter 01:48, 27 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

re:North Atlanta High School

What do you mean? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwjsmartdude (talk • contribs) 01:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Black Book Club or Black Black Club?

Which one does the Viz manga use? Please reply below, Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 16:48, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

To avoid confusion, how about we have "BBC" as the section's name in List of YuYu Hakusho characters? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 17:04, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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To remind myself, http://web.garuda-indonesia.com/index.php?menu=page&pageid=43 = this is in Lakes of Post Oak, so I could write an article on that skyscraper complex later. WhisperToMe (talk) 17:05, 4 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Catonsville HS

You said: Do you mind taking another photograph of the facility? Make sure a sign or lettering "Catonsville High School" is visible. WhisperToMe (talk) 03:15, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can certainly take another picture if I'm ever down on that side of the city. It may be a while. I took these pictures when I was taking a 1-week class at UMBC.Wallstreethotrod (talk) 11:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm..

It's "السينما 500 كم"..

Cheers mate!

Λuα (Operibus anteire) 15:48, 9 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lol, happy to be of help, sorta this time :)
Anyway, am always ready to help out with the translations (from and to any of four languages, not just Arabic, though). :D
Cheers mate!
Λuα (Operibus anteire) 10:53, 11 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Videos of Murder

Just a heads-up, they've been removed by anons from Nick Berg (where I've readded it) and several others. Seems you've cared about the issue in the past, so you might want to take a look around. --91.18.199.178 (talk) 05:47, 10 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ike

How's it going? I just lost the gate on the patio. Very windy here, but so far no rain. Postoak (talk) 03:28, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wish Ike would fizzle out at he comes ashore. News reports say that it will take 3 weeks to restore power. Not good. Postoak (talk) 03:33, 13 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Chowder (TV series)

I'm wondering if it would be better to incorporate your edits into the main text, rather than on each individual character? In the Production or even a new section. By the way, thanks for helping with this one, hopefully it's on your watchlist now. Do you watch the show? Yngvarr (t) (c) 00:14, 15 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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How?

How do you see if a user is a sockpuppet? HairyPerry (talk) 15:31, 16 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • How do you know about LAUSD schools? Ucla90024 (talk) 20:43, 17 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Los Angeles Communities

  • You are mixing up with communities with neigborhood councils. See the index plan for the communities [1]. For example Pico-Union is within the Westlake community. The Pico Union (corner of Pico Blvd. and Union Ave. as center of the area) redevelopment plans show the boundaries of Hoover, Olympic, Harbor Fwy. and Santa Monica Fwy. It was created as a redevelopment project in the early 1970. Neighborhood councils, which do not follow the community areas, were created in recent years. West Adam Prep. School is located in the South Central LA community area. Ucla90024 (talk) 04:47, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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