Talk:Hellsing

Disambig

Why is this a disambig? It might have been best to consolidate all the related materials into one article. Drumpler 07:59, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

I don't like this

That the list of Hellsing media article was moved into here. First off, it lists The Dawn under the OVA, which is wrong, and then the OVA episodes under The Dawn, which is wronger still. Secondly, I no longer have a place to check release dates on the manga. The main article doesn't such info. Thirdly, the media information listed about the OVA series IS in the main article, so there's no need for it here. --DameGreyWulf (talk) 05:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry about that, it'll be fixed shortly. As for the manga list, we're going to make a new page for it with a reformatted and more detailed list. Sorry for the inconvenience. Schrödinger (talk) 18:54, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, the page was tagged {{cleanup}} for a reason. I've done my share, DameGreyWulf, you can be bold and fix up some things yourself. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 19:43, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Merges

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Resolved

 – Consensus to merge Hellsing (manga), Hellsing Ultimate, and Hellsing: The Dawn‎ to this article and retool to single series article. No consensus to merge Hellsing (TV series). Merges of consensus approved articles completed September 12, 2008.

I've tagged several off the Hellsing articles for merging back here. I can see no valid reason for having all of them separate. Only the TV series meets the MoS requirement of being significantly different from its primary media to support having its own article. The manga is the primary work, and should be here. Ultimate is an OVA that more closely follows the manga, so again should be here. Hellsing Organization is a group of fictional characters in Hellsing, so it belongs back here with the article. Hellsing: The Dawn is a manga prequel, and can be better served being in this new merged article. Thoughts on each of these? -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 05:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

To my surprise, I'm going to vote against this. It looks to me like the majority of these have been sufficiently developed to merit stand alone articles, even with the shared plot and character information. We could possibly merge The Dawn into the manga, and the Hellsing Organization article certainly needs some work. But I think the individual articles have managed to establish a unique enough identity that merging them again would be counterproductive. Doceirias (talk) 05:24, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I (of course) disagree. :P All of them are start class, barely, with The Dawn nothing more than a plot summary. The Hellsing manga article is mostly plot, with little else. Ultimate actually has some development, but I don't think that alone should be a reason to not merge (especially when the bulk of the article is excessive DVD release information). Just means it will merge into a fuller article that the stuff that is (not) there now. They are all in poor shape, with the manga barely even mentioning the existance of the rest. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 05:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't not, admittedly, do more than glance them over. Would certainly support turning this into an article on the manga (and dawn) and maybe even bringing in Ultimate, if there really isn't as much as it looked like. Reorganizing the organization and character articles wouldn't hurt. 06:33, 14 June 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doceirias (talk • contribs)

I think Ultimate should stay separate. There's enough coverage out there (interviews, articles) for a separate article, not to mention plenty of reviews for a nice, hefty "Reception" section.--Nohansen (talk) 16:37, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I think All the Hellsing Articles are fine on their own. If you were to merge them then you'd have mass confusion everywhere. Plus they have enough Meat to be on their own too. From: Lunyka (Google me for my other website accounts) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.245.77.20 (talk) 03:42, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

The articles on the manga (Hellsing (manga) and Hellsing: The Dawn) could definitely be merged here. The Hellsing franchise it's not so deep or complicated that it needs a separate article to explain itself. The articles on the animated adaptations can stand on their own, but the article on the manga prequel cannot. Admittedly, it is "published at irregular intervals in special editions of Young King OURs", with only six chapters so far... hardly worthy of a separate article. An article on the characters would be a better merge target for Hellsing Organization.

I guess what I'm saying is this article should be about the manga, with an "Adaptations" section presented in WP:Summary style.--Nohansen (talk) 06:13, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

I agree on the org after realizing there are a few other Hellsing organization articles. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 06:23, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

On behalf of Collectonian, I'm willing to believe a merger is a good idea. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:31, 30 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure about everything going into the Hellsing article, as that would make the page exceedingly long, but I think Dawn definitely needs to be merged into the manga article. It's still part of the Hellsing manga franchise and doesn't really have great significance on its own, as it isn't technically a separate storyline. Laranesight 13:01, 14 July 2008

This sucks. What is with the merger in all merge in almost anime article. Dragon Ball article is completely obliterated. Sesshomaru and Collection all you do is merge and destroy ever anime article because the reason obvious would notability and more. --SkyWalker (talk) 14:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

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Things to Do Post Merge

The merges are now done. Anything that was unsourced and seemed to be more WP:OR than valid data was not merged here. The Hellsing template needs some updating per all the merges. I'll be adding a to do list above momentarily, and an archive box with links off to the old talk pages for the merged articles. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 03:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Merge of TV series

Now that everything else is nicely merged and, hopefully, those who had concerns can see that this article is much better as one than the various stubs that were floating around, I felt it we should also look at merging in Hellsing (TV series). In looking at its article, I can not see that it is so significantly different from the manga series as to need its own standalone article. All the currently has are a list of characters, which are the same ones linked to from this article, and a very brief episode and theme song listing. Thoughts? -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 16:19, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with a merger of the TV series. The anime may slightly go off the main storyline, however, we don't need a separate article to detail all of those events. That information can easily be summed up here. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:18, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

I completely disagree. While the manga and OVA are essentially the same plot-wise, the anime series is completely different from either of them. It should have its own article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.235.169.49 (talk) 19:52, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree that the OVA and TV series should NOT be merged. If you have watched both then you know that the source of the "synthetic" vampires, for lack of a better term is completely different between the two. The source in the TV series, Incognito, utilized the Egyptian snake god Sett in the final battle. In the ova it is the remnants of the Nazi party looking for a new form of foot soldier. The ova has already passed the the TV series with absolutely no mention of Incognito or Sett. In the ova Big Ben has been demolished, but in the TV series no such thing ever happened. The fights also occurred slightly differently. They also killed the "Butler" of Integra Hellsing, Walter aka the Angel of Death, in the TV series. Walter never died in the ova.

All in all the differences, both minor and major would confuse anyone who has not watched both. The merger must have been suggested by someone who didn't watch both and I am insulted that someone would even suggest such a thing without watching both in their entirety, for this must be what happened. The entire reason that the ova was produced was due to the fact that the TV series skewed so far from the plot of the manga that it irritated fans who had read the manga, me included.

I could go on for ten times this length about the differences that come to mind immediately but I feel it is not necessary to do so. Linking the two togeter as you have already done is fine, after all they both came out of the same manga, but PLEASE if you care about keeping this as straight forward as possible don't merge them! If someone wants me to do so I will watch the four ovas released so far and submit descriptions of each in detail including the plot and major events. If I do this then I will also do the same for the anime to show the differences. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Azhreidebonair (talk • contribs) 07:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Those are still relatively minor differences that can easily be summarized within a single article. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 13:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Characters question

Should we just post the characters who appear in all of the franchise (manga/OVA/TV) and put the manga/TV/OVA-only characters at their respective page or whatnot? Ominae (talk) 06:40, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

A List of Hellsing characters (which is currently non-existant) should cover all of the characters in the franchise with appropriate notes. There is only one Hellsing page besides the TV series now anyway. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 07:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

That oughta be done. Problem is how to go around it. Ominae (talk) 04:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Mostly just a need for some time to get the shell together, then deal with the appropriate merging and all. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 04:17, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully some of us can do it. Not sure if I have time to do it since I'm started to be bogged with university work. Ominae (talk) 07:54, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

I can make a basic shell, but someone else would have to deal with the clean up, sourcing, etc as I have never read the manga and didn't see all of the anime. -- [[::User:Collectonian|Collectonian]] ([[::User talk:Collectonian|talk]] · [[::Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 13:55, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Updates

In the most recent chapter they explain how the artificial vampires were made after a certain vampire. Therefore this is wrong: "The means of actually making artificial vampires in the manga remain a mystery" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.37.19.66 (talk • contribs) 09:03, October 7, 2008 (UTC)