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WARNING:

On the 10th of October, 2008 a third party was asked to examine sock-puppetry allegations made by user Semitransgenic.
The results obtained October 11th, 2008 denies any such fraud (see here[1]).
SEMITRANSGENIC IS NOW CLEARLY CONSIDERED AN IMPOSTOR BY WIKIPEDIA ADMINISTRATORS.

Therefore, Semitransgenic's allegations on this Talk page must be examined cautiously.
Apologies to readers of this page for the mediocre quality of discussion here.

Tellus archivist (talk) 12:55, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Besides the New York Times article, I also direct you to: http://freealbums.blogsome.com/

Twinkletellus (talk) 10:04, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This should help: See article in the New York Times: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9502EED71439F936A1575AC0A963948260

also —Preceding unsigned comment added by Twinkletellus (talk • contribs) 12:58, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

From: http://continuo.wordpress.com/2008/03/03/tellus-updates/

Carlo McCormick Tellus: Time Loops Our Sonic Stigmata

As one of the primary stages upon which seemingly all of the ongoing cultural spectacle comes to take a turn, it is surprising just how dismal the New York City music scene’s track record has been in terms of mainstream popular culture. Whereas in other forms of production we enjoy a certain preeminence, somehow the music we make and listen to is by and large disregarded by consensus opinion elsewhere. No matter how much it may thrill us, or even the degree of institutional and critical support it may receive, we can usually be sure that whenever we try to export it anywhere our bands and musicians will fall upon deaf and antagonistic ears. We just don’t quite get it. When everyone else wants melody, we churn out noise. When tastes veer towards the ornate, we go for a brutal minimalism, or conversely, when simplicity is the way of the day, we pile up unwieldy multiple layers of sonic overload. When love is message, we release our rage, and yet when people are finally ready to rock, we retreat into self-reflexive abstraction. And of all our commercial sins, the music out of that New York City downtown/underground/vanguard nexus is always just too damn arty, smart, experimental, self-indulgent, process-oriented, atonal, conceptual, stylized, smugly diffident and all the rest. And even if history may prove kind to such a legacy in the end, this is the stigma which every band or single performer from this town must face each time they go on tour or sit down with a record company. It is a stigma that Tellus wears exceptionally well.

When it came time to gather together some of the music we were hearing in town for Tellus in the mid Eighties, this was an unmistakable fact about which we had no delusions. We were not in the business of making pop stars then, any more so than we are today. Working in nightclubs and performance spaces at the time, I understood that there was no audience per se, just a community of participants. In retrospect, what may have seemed like a curse then, was in reality a blessing. Now, it’s hard to imagine what any of this stuff could possibly sound like to an actual audience. Perhaps the context in which this music was made is much closer to contemporary experience than it might have been in its own time. The thing with New York was that, by the very nature of this urban beast, silence was a rare commodity and linearity a near impossibility. To be at home or in the studio was to have not just the sounds of one’s own thoughts, but a myriad of street noises- cars, sirens, people yelling, garbage trucks, and radios spitting out a ceaseless pastiche of international pop vernaculars. Perhaps the neighbors would be having another fight, the kids selling dope on the corner a new brand name to extol, the television is on, as is the stereo, and you’ve not quite put that book down to pick up the phone. This overlapping, all-subsuming, surfeit sensory saturation is the condition in which much of the music here was made. And what we hear of it today is inevitably either the denial or embrace each artist must determine in their relationship to the din of existence.

Carlo McCormick Twinkletellus (talk) 12:23, 28 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Semitransgenic removed the reference list

Why did Semitransgenic remove the reference list? Valueyou (talk) 07:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

because there is nothing to indicate in the main body of text that this is a reference list; there are no citations. Again, you are requested to consult WP:VER WP:OR & WP:NPOV to clarify how contributions should ideally be dealt with. Semitransgenic (talk) 18:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Citation and page numbers

Semitransgenic mis-interprets Wikipedia citation guidelines. Please refer to WP:CITE. Quote:

«An article, paragraph or sentence is usually connected to the citation in one of four ways:

1. General reference: By placing the citation in a list at the end of an article.
2. Footnote: By placing it in a footnote following the sentence or paragraph it supports.
3. Shortened footnote: By placing the citation in the list and naming only the author, year and page number in a footnote.
4. Parenthetical reference: By placing the citation in the list and naming the author, year and page number in parenthesis (Ritter 2002, p. 45).

These are the most common methods of making articles verifiable. A Wikipedia editor is free to use any of these methods or to develop new methods; no method is preferred. Each article should use the same method throughout—if an article already has some citations, an editor should adopt the method already in use or seek consensus before changing it.»

See here[2] for correct use of page numbers.

Tellus archivist (talk) 08:36, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Condemnation of self described nazi Semitransgenic

Semitransgenic has been harassing me and thus discouraging me from contributing to wiki any longer and I want to report him/her as a negative force within the music wiki area. (s)He self described him/herself as a "policy nazi" (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Valueyou) and acts like a nazi. I don't see any constructive contributions by this person other than taking pleasure in posting ugly flag signs where talk on the discussion page would be just as good - no better - because these signs drive away users of wikipedia and makes it look half-ass and UGLY. See what a mess (s)he made of the Noise (music) page because some page #s have yet to be provided. (s)he is ordering a book citation for every sentence. WTF. Valueyou (talk) 09:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The issue is this: after a month of work I greatly improved the noise music page - providing wiki with an outstanding noise music page with extensive footnotes, some lacking only page # which I can provide in the near future (as previously explained a # of times), free of WP:OR & WP:SYN that stood - more or less - for a couple of weeks. Semitransgenic then imposed a WP:OR deadline on my providing those page #s and when I challenged that arbitrary deadline Semitransgenic falsely accused me of sock-puppetry with the creator of this outstanding wiki page Tellus archivist who has entered his resistance to Semitransgenic's dictates. (see talk page at Noise music) This will not stand. I strongly condemn nazi Semitransgenic's tactics. Who elected him wiki god anyway? Valueyou (talk) 14:33, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

this is a misrepresentation of facts. The article has never been free of WP:OR WP:SYN, tags were at one point removed because an assurance was given that citations would be forthcoming. At least six weeks on and there is still know sign of them, hence the continued presence of the tags. In this regard, nowhere has deviation from standard policy been applied by user semitransgenic, despite the vocal protestations of user Valueyou et al. There was no arbitrary deadline applied, and in light of the nature of the information submitted to the article, deletion may have been a more appropriate approach, yet user semitransgenic instead simply commented out the problematic citations and reinstated the requests. Semitransgenic (talk) 21:23, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

full details of dispute here. Valueyou and co. believe meatspace credentials allow one to bypass WP:OR policy.

NOT SO! Note date: 15 August 2008 Valueyou (talk) 15:15, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Are you an expert in this field? I am offering primary source information. This is differnt than a POV. They are important as a group not because some book said they are, but by their productivity - with which I am aware. This is a fresh and emerging history and I would think that a PhD who has worked as an archivist at the Dia Art Foundation could offer such a list without a book saying it is OK. Valueyou (talk) 15:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have from the outset attempted to get the user to appreciate how Wikipedia works but advice has been persistently ignored. Citations were legitimately challenged see link for details. Semitransgenic (talk) 15:04, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are distorting the dispute as stated above by fishing in the past. WTF are "meatspace credentials" anyway? We ARE TWO DIFFERENT FOLKS, meathead. Valueyou (talk) 15:09, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please refrain from making personal attacks as per WP:NPA. Thanks. Semitransgenic (talk) 15:19, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

How is meathead any more offensive than meatspace? Please refrain from falsely accusing me of willy nilly stuff. You waste my time. Valueyou (talk) 15:26, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

WARNING:

On the 10th of October, 2008 a third party was asked to examine sock-puppetry allegations made by user Semitransgenic.
The results obtained October 11th, 2008 denies any such fraud (see here[3]).
SEMITRANSGENIC IS NOW CLEARLY CONSIDERED AN IMPOSTOR BY WIKIPEDIA ADMINISTRATORS.

Therefore, Semitransgenic's allegations on this Talk page must be examined cautiously.
Apologies to readers of this page for the mediocre quality of discussion here.

Tellus archivist (talk) 12:55, 12 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]