User talk:Bishonen

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My saved bits, Second subpage, Moods

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The penis mightier than the sword.

There was no double entendre, really. So far as I can tell, Aaron had suggested that the creation of a user box, and adding it, that said X user is an opponent of Kelly Martin's was an example of uncivil editing. However, the diff showed only a last-edit. Someone replied, apparently and oddly, to that, seeing a double entendre that at least escapes me (and I defy you to find a more sophomoric and dirty minded thinker who can type). Aaron still didn't reply, when he probably should have, and so he replied to you in the "What was I thinking." "What was I thinking" was an answer and explanation: he'd gotten involved in the blocking of the person who had created the anti-Kelly-Martin box (or commented on it, when he shouldn't have or something). Both of the boxes are up at TFD, I believe. At any rate, there was no innuendo, and I think Aaron was worried about the impression you'd gotten. (You really should read FH just to know what the fuss is about. You'll find it a mixture of hilarity and style and erotica, I imagine.) Geogre 03:42, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Interesting: there is an allusion to Shamela in Fanny Hill, where Fanny refers to her "vartue." The edition I just got has a 2001 preface, where the editor wants to locate it in constructions of the feminine (yawn) and, somewhat, McKeon's categories of empiricist and skeptic::Whig and Tory, putting Cleland in the Bolingbroke/Pope camp. Cleland's father, as I'm sure you know, was Pope's friend. I agree that the novel is somewhat satirical, but you just can't be stupid and ignore the fact that it's also pornography. Geogre 18:37, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I can. Also interesting: did you like the poetic vandalism on your page? Bishonen | talk 20:23, 10 January 2006 (UTC).

Of course I did. I've been waiting for a chance to talk to you -- even going so far as to check in on IRC several times -- to tell you so. There are just so many interesting things on my user talk page these days that I thought you might have said something to me, and then I'd get to tell you that I enjoyed the poem. (You couldn't ignore the pornographic element, I bet. It's one of those things, though, where it's amazing that one cannot save the book from smut unless one ignores it or admit its smuttiness without ignoring the satirical side of it.) Geogre 21:23, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

I think you've earned this

For your tireless efforts at ensuring that abusive, sockpuppeting, blocked users stay blocked, I, keepsleeping, award you this Anti-Troll Barnstar.

As one of the (no doubt many, many) users who have had your user talk watchlisted for the past week-or-so, I thought I ought to make something for you. I didn't know where you'd want it, so I've put it here until you decide whether to stick it on your userpage.

Thanks for all you do. --keepsleeping quit your job! slack off! 04:44, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

You created that honey for me? I'm hugely flattered, thank you so much! Wow! I'm really sorry now that I'm such an unassuming person that I stick all my <cough>very numerous<cough> awards away on an awards subpage that doesn't hit anybody in the eye. A shame, but it can't be helped. Thanks again and keep sleeping, it's winter! (At least it is where I am.) Bishonen | talk 12:30, 8 January 2006 (UTC).

Bishonen

Bishonen nearly deleted my very first article and edit, but didn't. I think, though, that Bishonen is doing a great job here regardless of that first impression and I check back occasionaly for an idea of what to do on wikipedia. Keep up the good work and I hope to see you around. DVD+ R/W 21:58, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, David. I nominated Coop Himmelb(l)au for deletion, right? Sorry about that. :P If you check back on this page from time to time, you must be getting a fairly surrealist idea of what to do on wiki. The first thing I recommend is getting some ... unusual friends like I've got, to post oddness on your page. Trust me, all else will follow. :-) Unusual enemies are good too. Hope you're enjoying the many strange aspects of the wiki! Bishonen | talk 23:03, 8 January 2006 (UTC).

Image stuff

Are you up to date with how enwiki handles images these days? I would like to find someone more knowledgeble than me to have a look at Image:Nariyama2.gif and Image:Nariyama.jpg. See also User talk:Tonifer and User talk:Habj#Peter Rehse. / Habj 02:24, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Hi there, Habj. En.wiki is now extremely strict about image copyright. One of those two babies has the kind of tag that'll get it deleted, and the other has no tag at all. Both of them could get deleted any minute. You'd better advise your friend to describe the situation on the image description page, with URLs to where he got them and where he's written off to. I mean right now. He can't wait till he gets a response to the query he sent off, he needs to say that he's waiting for it. Fortunately, it doesn't sound as if it would be an actual disaster if they did get deleted; presumably he could easily upload them again (with lots of info and proper tags). Still, it's simpler to avoid that. Best, Bishonen | talk 11:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC).

Personal Attacks

Calling logical wording "stilted" is more impolite and more a personal attack than is calling 'good-faith' corruption "vandalism". Further, there is an intrinsic asymmetry in what is permitted of each of us because the aggression began with you and because you are simply wrong. I simply didn't and now moreso don't expect you to get that, which is why I didn't bother to labor such issues and won't much labor them here, for much the same reason that I don't pour medicine down the throat of a corpse. Wikipedia will allow you to be wrong, abated only as your energy level flags. Please be content with that power. —the preceding unsigned comment is by Gamahucheur (talk • contribs) 03:36, January 10, 2006 (UTC)

You're mistaken. Calling wording "stilted" isn't a personal attack at all; calling good-faith editing "vandalism" is. The first is a (mild) criticism of a presumably unintended stylistic effect, while the second goes to intent, and thereby attacks the person. Please discuss the edit, not the editor. You seem to refer to some pre-history between us, where I initiated "aggression" and you refrained from laboring things because I wouldn't get them anyway...? I'm perplexed. Have we met before I posted on your page? Ever edited the same article? Perhaps you're confusing me with someone else. I'm Bishonen. Btw please note that you can sign posts on talkpages by typing four tildes, like this: ~~~~. That will convert automagically to your username and a timestamp. Thank you. Bishonen | talk 04:08, 10 January 2006 (UTC).

A note

Regarding [1], don't worry. One more personal attack, one more bit of disruption, one more violation of WP:POINT,and I'm ready to block. So don't worry ^_^.--Sean|Black 04:26, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

And I have do so.--Sean|Black 07:21, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Cool, Sean. Thanks for letting me know. Bishonen | talk 11:01, 10 January 2006 (UTC).

Your message

Thanks for your message — and I must admit that I'm not entirely surprised that Hollow Wilerding has hit trouble. It seems pretty clear to me that there are at most two adolescent boys, one of whom is pretending (unconvincingly) to be two mature women. The claim (long denied) that the two mature women, HW and Winnermario, share a computer, and that DrippingInk (who has never denied being a young boy, so far as I know) lives across the road from them and is a friend... well, I'll say no more. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:43, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

"He's my boyfriend." "He's my neighbor." "He's my husband." "He's my boyfriend." "He's my brother." "He's my boyfriend and my brother!" Shades of Chinatown. Geogre 02:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Or at least William Faulkner. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 16:14, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Ooooh, very Caddy of you. Now I have to go find out if any of them clocks in the store window is right. Geogre 17:24, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Just for fun I shall share a cute little story. When I checked out a copy of As I Lay Dying from the school library of my high school I found an interesting notation. The shortest chapter in the book reads: "My mother is a fish." (or something to that effect). Someone had penciled in underneath, "Well, no one is perfect." It reminds me of one of my favourite Billy Collins poem. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 06:02, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Ah, Vardiman's famous syllogism. Rotten fish stink. My mother is dead. My mother has to be put in the box. Otherwise she'd stink. My mother is a fish. That's great marginalia for a high school. In my high school, all they'd have managed was "huh?" I had a story I wrote once, long, long ago, about a young woman writing a suicide note in marginalia. She took all the books she had taken out for her research project and wrote a bit in each book. Seemed like a cool premise, at the time. (I was in grad school. One works with the materials at hand.) You know, for not liking Billy Collins, I sort of like Billy Collins. Geogre 12:53, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, people either LOVE Billy or NOT LOVE (I have yet to meet anyone who HATES him) Billy but I would be curious to know, in your infinate wisdom, what you don't like about him or maybe what you like. Whichever comes first. *Exeunt* Ganymead | Dialogue? 14:43, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

It's hard for me to say, really. I'm a fan of the Modernists, and I'm an academic, so I have two strikes against me already. Basically, I have never recovered from the dream of the poet as priest that the Modernists had. I still think that poets have to be philosophers, to some degree, as they can express a truth that is not rational but nevertheless real. Poets can express truth about perception, about psychology, about Society, about the nature of suffering, about the nature of justice, about social ills, etc. Now I realize as well as the next person that the super-compression of some of the High Modernists has disaffected poetry's audience. Further, I know that the "you must have a Ph.D. from Harvard and read what's on my bedstand to get it" stuff is not very helpful, but I think that a lot of what came after the Modernists lost poetry's audience just as effectively. The Confessionals, with their "this poem is about me, and you'd better know and celebrate me, because I'm doing my Whitman schtick right now" didn't help anyone (except po faced high school girls poised with a razor in one hand and Sylvia Plath in the other). Then the Black Mountain group with their "this is nature, and it's rock 'n roll, and we're hip" stuff said so damn little and managed it in such an annoying way that I'm cold. Then we get some of the Language people, and I simply don't have access to whatever cache of drugs they were taking. Finally, now, we have a big time damage control movement, where poets are trying to get back to the Folks -- the Folks who don't read poetry anymore. They sometimes say clever things, but they rarely say anything personally or socially dangerous. They rarely still say anything novel. Instead, they say amusing things, light things, things fit for a poster. Billy Collins is a step up from them, and he's highly skilled, and he's absolutely inoffensive and often charming, but ... well, I miss my tough minded, cosmically portentious, booming voiced Modernists. Geogre 16:03, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

RFA/William M. Connolley 2

You participated in the first RFA so you may be interested in Wikipedia:Requests for adminship/William M. Connolley 2. (SEWilco 06:16, 11 January 2006 (UTC))

Heeeeelp!!!

My new pet is gone to RfD by people who don't even speak Greek! :~( Project2501a | ΑΝΥΠΟΤΑΞΙΑ, ΑΠΑΛΛΑΓΗ, Ι-5 06:37, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

'Ηηλπ; Unsigned comment by User:Geogre

Hi, Geogre, are you Zen today? George, sorry about your baby article! It looks very... uh... interesting. Although I have to admit that the references (that I just formatted) aren't noticably better than my own at List of books with the subtitle "Virtue Rewarded". Still, it's hardly our fault that we have to work with what's available! Bishonen | talk 00:30, 12 January 2006 (UTC).

Me? I just tried to transliterate, based on my ancient understanding of Ancient Attic, but I couldn't find the aspiration mark, and transliteration is all I can do now. I am now here nowhere, and that's totally Zen. I just got a dissertation in the mail, and it's very cleverly written so far -- good sense of style -- but I didn't see an important person thanked in the acknowledgements page. (Must teach tomorrow, though no bets on whether I'll actually educate.) Geogre 03:19, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

You got that dissertation now? Oh, for... Christmas or no Christmas, I sent it a month ago! :-( Did the the First Class sticker fall off? I've noticed they aren't very gluey. You ought rather to have gotten something else in the mail about today, but I expect that'll reach you in February. Man, this stinks. We'll have to use teleporting. Bishonen | talk 03:41, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Just got it yesterday, yep. I thought the introduction had great dynamism. The dichotomy it outlines is familiar to any American, but the English, in particular, seems first class, with a good sense of style. Mail has to first get to the US, then get inspected by George Bush, then get looked at by Condi Rice to erase the stick figures he drew in the margins, and then it has to go to the Heritage Foundation for an opinion for Condi, and then it has to go to NSA to be scanned, and then it has to go back in the package and get sent to a regional center, and then it has to go to Baptistville to come to my mailbox. (The thing had been partly torn open, and you are a foreigner from the "Axis of Weasel" countries, and I am a Known Weirdo, so we have to be safe.) Geogre 12:47, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Re: Wikimood

That's fine, but please note that I only track users with Wikimoods using the images that I created. --  Denelson83  21:17, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Uh, you track them? Er... what? Bishonen | talk 21:22, 11 January 2006 (UTC).

Sounds frightening. I think you have a rouge Wikimood now, Bishonen. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 21:48, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Not at all! Real ladies at most pinch their cheeks into a becoming shade of natural pink! My new mood-o-meter has already come in useful for vandalism, it seems; check out User:Beckjord, unless it's already been reverted. Bishonen | talk 22:38, 11 January 2006 (UTC).

Remember, each image page has a "what links here" section right at the bottom of the page. That's what I mean by "tracking."  Denelson83  01:55, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Tsk, your device has confused Martial Law: [2] —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 04:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Bish, please note that I only track users with Wikimoods that are you! El_C 08:43, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Where are my elderberries?! /stomps El_C 08:56, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Fine, ignore me. I know where I can find another shrubbery. :( *sniff* El_C 09:08, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Oooohh, I ignored you for 12 minutes, I don't wonder you're grumpy, Bigfoot and Smallfoot. So sorry! I've put a mood indicator on your page for you, hope you find it suitable at this juncture. Bishonen | talk 12:58, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, there's only one Wikipedia-is-mood for moi! El_C 14:31, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Sigh. Wikipedia servers are way too slow and unstably right now, so I am unable to spam propperly, i.e. in the SFSR, wikimood sets you, etc. :( El_C 14:45, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

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• Soldier: Well, I'll ask 'im, but I don't think 'e'll be very keen-- 'e's already gotone, you see?
• Arthur: What?
• Lancelot: He says they've already *got* one!
• Arthur: Are you *sure* he's got one?
• Soldier:Oh yes, it's ver' naahs. [to the other soldiers:] I told 'em we've already *got* one!
• Arthur: Well... ah, um... Can we come up and have a look?
• Soldier: Of course not! You are English types.
• Arthur: Well, what are you then?
• Soldier: Ah'm French! Why do you think I have this out-rrrageous accent, you silly king?!
• Galahad: What are you doing in England?
• Soldier: Mind your own business!

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Red Terror

It never actually changes, though! El_C 14:23, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

AOL IP Block

Working tonight? I'd appreciate a release, if so. Here's a copy of the note left for User:DragonflySixtyseven. Same old problem -- Best wishes. WBardwin 09:35, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Please be aware that when you place a block on a IP address used by AOL, you rarely hit your target. Instead, innocent users get blocked for other's vandalism or misbehavior. Such IP addresses, including the one below, are on a list available to administrators and should never be blocked for long/indefinate periods of time. I have a long history of being impacted by such blocks. Please see User:WBardwin/AOL Block Collection for a history and decisions made on this problem. I would appreciate a prompt release of this and related blocks. Thank you.

Your IP address is 207.200.116.134. Your user name or IP address has been blocked by DragonflySixtyseven.

Main page vandalism

Your fast on the trigger today! Giano | talk 13:58, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

For you, always! Lobbed a couple of quick grenades also.[3], [4]. --Bishonen | talk 14:13, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

You cruel brute, they are probably only little children skiving off school. I just had a look to see how Sicilian Baroque is faring on the French main page (do you think it's a record to simultaneously have one on each? - anyway they seem to have a different class of vandal there [5] in fact they only seem to have one vandal which means either less readers or a more intelligent reader, trouble is the vandalism here is not even witty. I've always felt a great affinity with the French, I'm sure in a previous life I was Napoleon or some other heroic soul Giano | talk 15:52, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

Great Scott, you have them on both Main pages today? I can't believe that's happened before, no. Wow. (Runs off to post a note that I know will offend your modesty. Done. Sorry!). Bishonen | talk 17:56, 12 January 2006 (UTC).

Next, allude to "The Deserted Village"

I caught it. Gray's Elegy is far too easy. See if you can work in an allusion to Goldsmith next time, or Pope, of course. Pope's always good. If you allude to Shakespeare, I'll never get it (unless everyone does). (On the banks of the savage Altamaha.) Geogre 00:32, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Now, now, don't go all competitive on me. I never doubted you'd catch it, you Renaissance polymath, I was asking if you liked it. (Wasn't it kind of cool? Prettily discordant context?) Hey, it just strikes me, if your own quotes are meant as challenges, you must have thought I didn't get the "Caddy" allusion? Bah. I'm reasonably familiar with what's-his-name. (;-)). I even like "As I Lay Whatsit". Anyway, I have one word for you: Google. Bishonen | talk 01:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC).

Competitive? Me? I'm less competitive than you any day of the week! (Of course not competitive. But part of the game is having someone continue to play by responding with a similar quote/allusion.) I did like the allusion. How could one not? And now "left to darkness and to me" has always seemed a sinister thing for Gray to have said. It's sort of like he plans to go peeping in windows (and he had a spot of trouble with a window, once, when some boys decided to get him for his...habits...and were, English boarding school-style, excessively harsh). Speaking of harsh, I managed to be the most Rhadamanthine of all on wp:an/i when it came to our Chinatown/Faulkner user (and he's back to being a roommate now). (I thought "Caddy/Catty" was too good, meself, but I have the poor grace to always laugh loudest at my own jokes.) Geogre 02:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Indeed, I saw you on ANI — harsh but true, every word. I'm afraid my first thought was, vindictively, that perhaps the user will now realize she got a soft admin. I blocked her for about one quarter as long as policy suggests for those violations; such was my "grudge" and "personal vendetta". She can have you next time, scary guy. Bishonen | talk 02:40, 13 January 2006 (UTC).

Precisely. Had he been at a stable IP and been sent through RFar, I suspect the verdict would have been -- certainly could have been -- an indefinite block. The trick is that this is a person with juvenile content rather than vandalism, so he's not at all like the hard banned users of the past, but he is not at all unlike Michael. Geogre 11:34, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Haha, you can mentor him, then, if it's Michael. Perfect. Seriously, I tried to explain (to deaf ears) to you-know-who that it wasn't good for this user to be encouraged to think of herself as an innocent victim of my "very bad approach" — I bet she took courage from that to carry on saying I needed to be desysopped because of failing to AGF in the face of her self-contradictions, and other such rampant foolishness. These things only make it harder for the community to accept her back. Bishonen | talk 12:21, 13 January 2006 (UTC).

Not A Chance. No. You know who would be the logical mentor, but I'm not sure that anyone would like that. I'm going to have my hands very full this semester teaching 60 kids to improve their writing and seriousness of purpose, so I don't need another. (I agree, of course. The user is not a victim. The user is a user.) Geogre 13:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

We ben pr0wnd!!!!!

We now have a cleanly worded article on a cleanly worded pornographer. I finally finished reading introductions to the book and the DNB and wrote John Cleland. The language I used is a bit fussy, I'm afraid -- too 1911 in its way -- but it's a fair article on him. Geogre 16:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Er... there was a question from Geogre posted right here, and I'd just typed a a perfectly good answer to it; according to the History, ALoan deleted it in favor of the longitudinal fallacy. SNORT. Don't get over-excited, guys. I'll just paste it back in, right here:

Is it possible for someone to have someone else's contribs watchlisted? There was a lightning quick and helpful edit behind me. It was surprising. Geogre 16:54, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Reply: No, the wiki software doesn't allow it. I saw somebody requesting the feature on IRC yesterday, saying how useful it'd be for vandalhunting. However, I'd be surprised if there isn't a scriptkiddie kludge that you can use on an individual basis. You might do worse than ask the helpful person if they have something like that. Most people love for other people to use their kludges. Bishonen | talk 19:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh no - this is about the third time in as many days that I have managed to overwrite someone's comments. I keep getting silent edit conflits. For the record, I did not delete your comment deliberately: it about the last thing I would do. Please accept my profuse apologies. -- ALoan (Talk) 20:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

No worries. I thought that perhaps I had accidentally betrayed one of the secrets of the Cabal and that my question had to be removed for violating secrets. Then I realized that I am the Cabal, so if it's secret from me, it's not part of the Cabal. Then I figured it was just a bug. Geogre 22:14, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

"longitudinal fallacy" - snort. -- ALoan (Talk) 17:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

That cracked me up when I read it, too. That's why I had to repeat it. Geogre 17:34, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Let me just say that I am pleased, honored, and relieved that folks seem to see the stuff I'm doing so quickly and help out. I'm hardly worthy. Geogre 17:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I got rid of those latter day Clelands that uglied the top of the article. Of course, I wouldn't have noticed the article if you hadn't posted on Bish's talkpage. I'm disappointed nobody has noticed my bold move earlier today into the natural sciences with the stub Fluorescent green pig and improved that. Maybe it helps if I mention it here? Tupsharru 18:03, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, good, Tups. I was just gonna suggest to Geogre to please lose those bu... fellows. Bishonen | talk 19:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

That really helped, too. As for the pigs, I think we'll see more warring on the category tags and the bio-box templates that will need to be added to it. Besides, when flourescent green pigs start showing up in Home Beautiful, you'll have been the first one there. Geogre 18:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Apparently the pigs are fluorescent green all the way through; perhaps you should get started on Fluorescent green pork chop. (I do not like eggs and green ham, Sam I Am.) Bunchofgrapes 18:37, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

And may I now have a moment to say that John Cleland is fu... is absolutely great? Geogre, you fine sly malcontent, you! :-) That article really improved my wikimood. (I'll go change it right away, in your honor.) Bishonen | talk 19:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC).

Moreover. Since people are anyways using this page as a noticeboard for mentioning things, I'll just mention Requests for comment/Theodore7. It's not beautifully illustrated like some RFC's I could mention, but quite interesting. Bishonen | talk 19:19, 13 January 2006 (UTC).

Fluorescent Green Eggs and Ham? -- ALoan (Talk) 20:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Ahh... I knew I was missing some kind of American cultural reference somewhere. Actually, making fluorescent green poultry is probably not too difficult. We will need a Category:Fluorescent green animals eventually. (At some point I'm sure fluorescent animals only coming in green will seem so early 21st century, like automobiles from Ford only coming in black, and the green model will be rebranded as Fluorescent Pig Classic^TM.) Tupsharru 09:05, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I think you're right. Did you get a category tag for Category:Fluorescent green vegetables? There was the glowing corn ("maise" for you furrinners) and the faintly luminescent potato ("potatoe" for US Vice Presidents), and soon one's pet will glow only when one claps twice. There will be the Pet Clapper. "Where is Fluffy? <clap clap> Oh! There she is!" Tailor your pet to glow in a color to match your home decor. Geogre 12:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Block of IP 209.226.83.2

Hi. I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but this IP address is used by 54 schools. I've left a response to your message on Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents about it. I haven't unblocked it, but we should seriously consider taking a different approach with this particular address. Mindmatrix 20:28, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I agree. Thank you. Unblocked. Bishonen | talk 20:48, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Hollow Wilerding: The Adventure Continues

Sorry to bother you, but Hollow Wilerding has created yet another account at Solar Serenity (talk · contribs), despite an ongoing discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Attempting_to_resurrect_Wikipedia_career where I provided evidence that she was also the person operating Winnermario (talk · contribs). :( Extraordinary Machine 01:33, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I saw, I'm just typing a response for ANI now. I've no idea what's the matter with alteripse—is that really alteripse, making those extraordinary statements? As soon as I've posted on ANI, I'll block the new account. Unless you want to? She ****ing well is NOT free to edit! Not until the two-week block runs out, at the earliest, and if the community thinks so. Bishonen | talk 01:46, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm not an administrator, so I can't block accounts. Anyway, I've posted a comment below yours at WP:AN/I. I think it's pretty obvious by now that Hollow Wilerding is Winnermario, which (from Winnermario's incivility and personal attacks) creates even greater cause for concern. Extraordinary Machine 02:12, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, as everyone by now knows, I've stepped into the role of Big Meanie. I'd block, but I think, in a way, it might be best if the editor were to alight at a particular place so that we have a target for RFar. How can we ask for a permablock, mediation, meditation, mentoring, or mendacity bans, if there's nothing to refer to? It's not like "Hollow" was his first account. Geogre 12:54, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

It Never Ends. I'm on the verge of deeming all those who "try to be reasonable about it" simple cullies. It's not like this hasn't been spelled out about fifty times. Even the most desultory reading of the noticeboard would have folks familiar with it. It's about time for a hard ban. For that matter, I really am considering getting the Toronto phone book. Geogre 02:36, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Cullies or trolls. Arguing on ANI after "just looking at her contributions for a few seconds" — basically, demanding that unspecified others research this probable admin abuse — is pretty close to trolling, if you ask me. I've posted, I hope usefully, a crash course for anybody who's really interested underneath your post. And so good night. Bishonen | talk 03:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC).

If I had to guess, the presence of the {{user rc}} userbox on HW's page was all Chooserr needed to see. Userboxes, the root of all evil. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 03:12, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Argh. User:Chooserr may be well-meaning but he regularly shows that he doesn't understand how Wikipedia works. I was wondering why he stuck his oar in here. FreplySpang (talk) 21:49, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Sigh. You know, some of us actually add Roman Catholic content to Wikipedia (my saint a day project, e.g.), even though we're not Catholics. Some of us add user boxes and edit war over f*cking pro-choice topics. Let's see people with that user box add articles on the encyclicals. We don't have coverage of most of the significant papal bulls. We're finally getting most of the diets and councils, but there are plenty of those left. I said recently on my user page that I personally feel like I pay the rent by writing content, and all the time that I don't add content, I feel like a freeloader. Geogre 12:42, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Not a Catholic - quite. For example, List of Encyclicals of Pope John Paul II is gravely lacking. I bet Deus Caritas Est does quite well, though. -- ALoan (Talk) 14:15, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Exactly! There are over 10,000 saints. We have loads of them, but we don't have 10,000. I stuck to the saints because, as an Anglican Communion kind of guy, I find them interesting, and there are a ton of them that illustrate history delightfully (cultural history, most of the time, but political history quite often, too). In other words, which figures and which stories a society chooses to celebrate as holy tell us a great deal about the issues, thoughts, and values of that people at that time. This is a gap in history studies, IMO. The encyclicals tell us stuff, too, although at such variance with the historical moment as to require a delicate historical touch. In other words, these things are all inherently interesting. Do we get articles on them? No. However, as you point out, one that seems to suggest that sex is fun...well, stand back. Geogre 14:37, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

So, let's see what personal invective has been betrayed. Bunchofgrapes doesn't like user boxes and implies that they create false alliances. I express irritation at people who call themselves defenders of the faith but don't do any research or writing. ALoan agrees that we don't have much, all things considered. I agree with ALoan that Wikipedia's editor population is shallow and unserious. Wow. I hope no one else gets to see these secret assessments! FWIW, I've put a week down on the Hollow account after the admission, in so many words, that "she" evaded the blocks because "she" didn't like them. That's a confession, and that's all anyone needs. Geogre 21:43, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Well I'm glad somebody told me of this conversation...I didn't do it just because she had an RC box, yes I found out about her by it, but I did look over her edits, and I didn't see her doing anything too bad. I also have tried to be fair an unbiased, and I don't like any allegations that may have been hinted at. Chooserr 01:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh and I thought we'd resolved the problem about the E you capitalise wronfully in my name...It's Chooserr Chooserr 01:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I suspect that you're being duped. That's about it. This editor is like Michael, in that many of the edits are fine and most are miniscule, but the behavior is wholly mendacious. You really would be poorly served by believing anything the user says about himself/herself, as he has been caught in at least four sets of lies. I wouldn't believe that the user is Roman Catholic, that the user is female, that the user is male, that the user is singular, that the user is plural, or anything else. All that I believe is what I know: the user was blocked for personal attacks and created a new account to evade that and, when that was blocked for voting for itself, created four more accounts to evade those blocks. Nothing else is germane, really. When we edit at Wikipedia, we accept its regulations, and one of those regulations is that we can be temporarily blocked for misbehavior. We don't need to keep proving the misbehavior. We can examine all that at ArbCom, later, after the block evasion stops. Geogre 02:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I just expanded the University of Paris with a lot of stuff stolen from the Catholic Encyclopedia. Now there is a bunch of red links in there for people with names like Hubold ("a professor of renown in the school of Ste-Geneviève"), Filbert of Chartres, Drogo of Paris, Manegold of Germany (presumably = Manegold of Lautenbach), Gebbard, Archbishop of Salzburg, Robert d'Arbrissel (founder of the Abbey of Fontevrault), Gerard (or Girard) La Pucelle, Mathieu d'Angers, Anselm (or Anselle) of Paris, Cardinal Conrad, Archbishop of Mainz. As far as I have been able to tell all actual saints already had articles. But these guys probably all knew a saint or two.

I think we need a rule demanding contributors to add at least one medieval abbot for every football player (either kind). Any article including one of the words "abbey", "decretum", or "codex" in the title is fine too. Tupsharru 19:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

No worries

No worries at all. Cheers. :)

Can you...

Can you correct the meter error, since I'm not a Admin. yet ? Martial Law 04:17, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you!

Thanks for supporting me on my Rfa, Bishonen! I appreciate your trust. Perhaps one day I will be jaded enough, or horrified enough, to use <bv>, especially if I see the kind of hate vandals you spoke of. Thank you so much for your kind words, they were much appreciated - as was the humor. The puppy is now an Admin (final tally 58/7/2) Please let me know if there is anything I can ever do to assist you. KillerChihuahua?!? 18:08, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank for blocking the sock puppet

thanks for blocking the sock puppet/anon User talk:12.74.75.184. Travb 23:24, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Who ever block him, I appreciate it. I can debate anyone, head to head, but I have no patience for cowards who refuse to play by some of the basic rules of wikipedia. Travb 23:37, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

You're fast! :-) --Bishonen | talk 23:40, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

friends...

hullo Bish --- no I hadn't seen your rfc, but now that I have, I am of course envious that you should have received so many cookies :) Regarding my "friend" posting that nice "award" to my talkpage, I can only assume that is the nice gentleanon I came across on Talk:Artgemeinschaft :| best regards, dab (ᛏ) 15:47, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Talks rather like it.[6] [7] Filing "gentleanon" for future use. :-) Bishonen | talk 16:07, 15 January 2006 (UTC).

Hey now... none of those neologisms here. We need to keep this place respectable. Keineswegs! Keinerlei Veränderung! Bad Dieter! Bad bad Admin! :P

→ P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 20:18, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Fram för förnyelse! Go Dieter! Bishonen | talk 20:23, 15 January 2006 (UTC).

<laughing...>

→ P.MacUidhir (t) (c) 20:31, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Beckjord

Given Luminary666 (talk · contribs)'s recent appearance, I think the only useful course of action is ArbCom. I'm going to make sure the others I asked to take part in the RfC are on board with this change, but I can almost guarantee that they are; evidence would be appreciated. android79 16:58, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Your comment at WP:AN/I

I am already violating my one-week block, but since you seem to oppose the idea of an Arbitration, why don't you unblock me and allow me to edit? I can't stop saying how much I'm not guilty of any crime and that it was you who started the controversy. By the way, since the block on User:Solar Serenity is about to lift, what is going to happen with that account? Can we leave it for my brother to operate in one-weeks' time? Let us put it this way: I will go away for one week, and I will not file the Arbitration if you let my brother operate the account. This way the community is allowing my brother access to Wikipedia while I do not violate my block for one week. My brother will not begin editing for one-weeks' time as well so that you don't suspect any block evasion. Is this deal fair enough? Would you finally be willing to compromise with me on this? 64.231.168.115 01:40, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

And as much as you sound convinced, no, I am not a child. :/ 64.231.168.115 01:40, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Really? You're an adult who's unaware of time zones? I see you post misdirections about that at User talk:Markalexander100, btw; you avoid linking to any of the posts in the ANI thread that do discuss the way the end of the block depends on what zone you're in, and claim that a comment from me says or implies that the block will run out at a particular time on the 15th. Here's a real comment from me: "My block will be released on January 15th or 16th — whatever your timezone says"[8]. No matter, the whole idea that you get to unilaterally decide that "now the block ought to be released, so I have a right to edit from another IP" shows that you have no respect for this site. How many times have the words "my right" been in your mouth these past couple of weeks? You have no rights, you're here on sufferance, like the rest of us. Editing wikipedia is a privilege, not a right. It can be forfeited.

I'll make no deals with you, even if I could understand what compromise it is you offer. Do you suppose it'll hurt me if you file for arbitration? Advising against it was a mere impulse of pity on my part. Please refer again to the post I asked you to read attentively: after the day-by-day stream of abuse you've been directing at me, you don't have a wimpy admin any more. You've forfeited me. Talk to Geogre. Bishonen | talk 02:45, 16 January 2006 (UTC).

You're just a terrible woman if this the way you go about things; rarely were you civil towards me. Whatever. Goodbye. 64.231.168.115 02:57, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Re-blocking of Hollow Wiledring

Just to let you know: I have put a one week block on the Hollow Wilerding account following "her" admission on wp:an/i that "she" was evading blocks. I have not blocked the dynamic IP, though I would consider blocking the whole dang range, if necessary. I am also considering calling the real life Courtni Wilerding in Toronto to find out if this editor's mendacity is as pervasive as it appears. (It's easy enough to get a Toronto phone book at the university library.) When the user suspends editing for a week, it will be possible to engage her in the next logical step: RFar. Geogre 02:00, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I've been concerned about Courtni for some time, I wish you would. I accidentally undid your block, Geogre, or rather the software undid it (and Snowspinner's) when I unblocked my own original block of the HW account. My intention in doing that was to enable yours, not to annihilate it. But it shouldn't matter, I reinstated it right away, of course, and have stated in the log that it is a reinstatement of yours; that's the best I can do. It means the search facility won't find it if anybody searches for "Geogre", but, oh, well, it can scarcely matter. I hope you don't mind. Bishonen | talk 02:52, 16 January 2006 (UTC).

That's alright, except that it enables the user's continued paranoia that it's all a Bishonen vendetta, etc., if that matters. I doubt it will. I'm not sure the user understands, quite, that, although it's fine if he or she wishes to file an RFar against you, the ArbCom that we're discussing is a motion against her. I'll say at the outset that the result of it will be mentoring, and that's fine, but we have to have a mentor who hasn't weighed in and who has standing in a content area other than her own, at least to satisfy me, because there have been folks who have used the content area as an excuse for the other actions, and that's just not allowed. Geogre 13:44, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

But I believe the ArbCom would be quite likely to accept a request by her, except it would be in order to look into her conduct. They do that, I've seen examples. (So have you, FreplySpang, if you're there!) That's fine, in the sense that it would save me or whoever the trouble of drafting a request for arbitration against her. I only entreated her not to because it seemed too sad: the RFC forgotten, she's still "threatening" to make me feel the wrath of the community by filing yet another complaint! I don't get any pleasure out of watching this self-destruction. Bishonen | talk 14:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC).

As I've said on my page, there is a kind of event horizon involved. At a certain point, it's all suction, and there's no point throwing any more words in the graphemic hole. What will be, will be. Let's hope the user can stay away for the week and not reset the block again. Geogre 16:37, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Worth pointing out another deception? Well, if it is, let me make obvious something hidden up there. The Hollow Wildering editor asks what will happen if she goes away for a week, per the block, but leaves the Solar Serenity account for her brother, Cruz, to use. Well, on WP:AN/I ("Attempting to ressurrect..."), she announces loudly that her brother Cruz has left for good and will never edit again. (sigh) This isn't shocking for those of us who have been playing the home game of "spot-the-inconsistencies," but since we have people often tricked into taking part, it's probably wise to be explicit. Geogre 22:29, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Dear Bishonen

File:Mistletoesok.jpg

Let their bright color wash away your grief, Bishonen!

Dear Bishonen, I haven't had the chance to interact with you yet, but I can easily see you are having a rough time dealing with unpleasant people, and I'd hate to see an obvious asset to WP and a great person stressed due to the deeds of a mere troll. Here's a small gift to cheer you up - over here, we hold these little mistletoes dear. If they succeed in making you smile even for a moment, then their purpose is fulfilled - and so will be mine for today. Cheers, Phædriel ^{tell me} 03:26, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Pretty! Thanks very much. Bishonen | talk 04:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Beckjord likes the flowers

Hey folks, has it ever occurred to you that the main thrust at Wiki is not making good articles, it is really Who Blocks Whom, and Who has Power Over Whom.

Then, who Reverts Whom, and who Re-reverts Whom.

THAT is the big game here. Power tripping. Getting Barnstars and Merit Badges.

BTW, I am not Hollow Wieldering or whomever....

Carry on with your games.

Also, members of the WAFE group I started may overstep bounds now and then, and if any are rude, I am sorry. But as to whether this ip or that person gets blocked, do you really think in the MeatSpace that anyone, I mean anyone, really gives a damn? This is just a huge, absurd, game. Fair boggles the mind.

beckjord66.248.85.124 08:18, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

And you regard the game from above with amused detachment, right? Except that you blanked the image gallery I'd just set up, in revenge for being blocked. Oops, I mean your one-man WAFE group blanked it. Or did it annoy you that somebody put the "Bigfoot" image from it on your userpage? That was nothing to do with me. You're a pettier man than I thought. Bishonen | talk 13:25, 16 January 2006 (UTC).

thanks

for taking the trouble to leave the note on the user's page. alteripse 18:45, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I apparently have a limited imagination

was NOT thinking of Bekjord when I answered that question. KillerChihuahua^?!?

Heh, I was posting here while you were posting on my page... But come on, how much more blatant can you get than those childish threats? KillerChihuahua^?!? 20:40, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Carambat

Some pets for Olga softly squealing in the hintergrund.

Is one of my favourite fidlers, WE often sit with a glass of chianti in hand listening to the incomparable scratch of his melodious fluidity at 78 rpm, while the scent of oranges wafts throught the windows, the curtains rustling in the gentle breeze, and the goats softly bleeting in the hinterground. I'm surprised you don't know him! I thought you were cultured like me! Giano | talk 21:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, everyone knows Carambat - much more famous than that woman. I'm surprised he doesn't have an extensive article already. -- ALoan (Talk) 22:01, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I was of course referring to Léon Carambât, who as everyone knows was rather famous! Giano | talk 22:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, you'd best let me know when I can conveniently edit. I see the page is busy again and I don't want to conflict anybody. I'll be back to put in a few pets for the nice woman, for when Ezra's out being less faithful to his other mistresses — wtf does that even mean? Bishonen | talk 22:20, 16 January 2006 (UTC).

• I didn't write that, or mean it like that anyway - I'm foreign you know. Trust you to bring a women's perspective to poor old Ezra, men are not like women you know - we can't help it - Olga understood him so why can't you - I have wondered though what she did while he was locked up for so long - I mean she can't have just fiddled on her own can she - what a shame Fil's gone AWOL he probably would have known - never mind I'm sure she was fullfilled by Ezra when he was around - You are quite safe there now - I'm going to bed! Be sympathetic to her, I think she's rather a sweet old thing Giano | talk 22:27, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I can just image it. -- ALoan (Talk) 22:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Have you considered a career in television ALoan, a sort of alternative to Ian Hislop? Giano | talk 22:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Oh, after my well-received appearances in You and Me (no, not that You and Me - this one) and University Challenge (some years before Worldtraveller, who is still doing what his user name suggests), I was unable to live up to my early promise. -- ALoan (Talk) 22:48, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it's ready to go

I added some diffs. You still around? android79 00:35, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Only just awake :-). Well, mine doesn't have any diffs, and I won't have any time do dig them out until after work tomorrow. I think you'd better leave me out until I can do that (unless you have a few diffs to add to my statement yourself?). Accusations without diffs are just huffing and puffing, they're useless and don't make a good impression. But I'll be happy to be a party to the request, and I can add my bit tomorrow night. I think it's sort of normal that these things grow while on the RFAR page. Another thing, though: the "Involved parties" shouldn't be just you and me, especially since my involvement is marginal (to put it mildly). I think the other guys — the main defenders of the wiki against Beckjord — should add their signatures under "Involved parties", especially DreamGuy, but really all of them. "Involved parties" needn't be limited to people who have written a statement. Check out some others on the RFAR page: the KDRGibby request doesn't have any statement by User:172, for instance. And... hey! I just realized. You can't leave the confirmation that B's aware of the request blank. You need to post on his talkpage to tell him, then add a link to that post as confirmation. And so good night. Bishonen | talk 01:06, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Early train, eh? Well, I think I'll add some diffs to your stuff, put some more names on the thing, and post it. Whether that's tonight or tomorrow morning remains to be seen. android79 02:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

And, I can't really add the thing about notifying B if I ain't notified him yet, can I? :-) android79 02:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Heh, no, but just notify him already: write a note on User talk:Beckjord. If he's turned totally to riding the rotating AOL proxies and doesn't see it, it's not your fault. But do crosspost to any other commensense alternative he's got, any IP he uses frequently, and make a note of whether he shows in any way that he's seen it. ArbCom likes to see good-faith effort in this area. Otherwise, yes,, do it exactly like ... like ... what was I gonna ....exactly. Like. You. Say. ZZZZZZZZZ. Bishonen | talk 02:56, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thank you so much

Thank you for un-blocking me. I assure you that I will not lash out at Travb.

Sock-o-rama

I just posted this link to the talkpage of the Geogreshonen identity, and it strikes us/me that it would make sense if you/they posted it here at Bishogre as well. What can I/who say, we/you have been outed. Each talkpage will henceforth redirect to the other. Geobish | talk 02:25, 17 January 2006 (UTC)..

OMGWTFBBQ... better check me, too... android79 02:31, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

You're enjoying this a little too much. I'm disappointed that she didn't point out that you both write a lot about old, dead people who aren't pop stars. I'm also disappointed that she didn't go to the trouble of digging up something you both voted in, to at least, you know, make a case that you were abusive sockpuppets. I guess it's just obvious on the face of it. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 02:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

As if third person weren't bad enough. The puppy doesn't believe a word of it. KillerChihuahua^?!? 02:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I'm sorry, that should be, "The puppy identity" shouldn't it? KillerChihuahua^?!? 02:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

This was absolutely the funniest thing we have read in a long time. We are amused. We are troubled, however, as teachers, that our reader missed the "You are my best friend in real life" signed by our "Geogre" on our "Bishonen" user page and our "You are my best friend in real life" signed by our "Bishonen" on our "Geogre" user pages. We would like to remind our readers, as we acknowledge that they go by one name, while we go by two, that they should never miss the really, really, really, really obvious things before speculating on oddly illogical things. We manage the Atlantic Ocean and five time zones by magic which we shall not share. --Queen Geoshonen & Prince Bishogre

You're also Pcpcpc, his friend Oliver, and Oliver's niece and tenant Gillian too, aren't you? It's all starting to unravel, Bishogre. Give it up, mate. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 03:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

And the Lindbergh baby as well as Bruno Hauptmann. -- Geogre inter al

Phalanx Articles

Phalanx (Fourierism) superseded by North American Phalanx. ==

Rectify Phalanx (Fourierism), doubleplus obsolete. doubleplusgood article North American Phalanx :-) 84.160.213.98 02:16, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

? Have you got the right BOFH? Bishonen | talk 02:25, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I have no idea who is on the clean up detail... You just happen to be one of my favorite +sysop users. 84.160.213.98 03:17, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks! :-) That's very flattering, but I'm sorry, I'm spread awfully thin as it is right now. Could you please ask someone else? Bishonen | talk 18:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC).

Thank you for the heads up

thanks for the heads up about the reformed troll. I hope the troll and I never cross paths again. I appreciate your efforts.Travb 03:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Help

Hello Bishonen, Need some help and not sure where to even start to look for it. I would like to add some information on the page for Tuscarawas County in Ohio. I am a Trustee for the Tuscarwas County Historical Society and would like to add a little bit of info about the organization. Can you help me? MarcusTCicero 03:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)