Talk:Eurovision Song Contest 2006

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Does anyone know how to enter the Eurovision song contest as a UK songwriter?

Thanks.

I don't think the UK have songwriting entrants. Best thing to do is contact the BBC. Hedley 20:13, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bosnia 2006

Is it sure that Hari Varešanovic will represent the country on his own? Cause according to esctoday.com it's the whole group, Hari Mata Hari, that will perform -> http://www.esctoday.com/news/read/5548 Erik 10:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Only Hari will represent Bosnia and Hercegovina. Evilperson 20 23:30, 12 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Greece

There is no set limit to how long a entry has to be. Even the Eurovision sites have mini bio's like that. This is perfectly acceptable, because it shows why Anna Vissi is good for Eurovision 2006. It states her success in the USA. And about the picture, I am good friends, with Anna Vissi's personal assistant. He says that they are planning to use pictures from Madame Figaro, since they are good pictures. 68.45.82.68 17:28, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Once again. You are NOT allowed to take something out that is not rubbish, that another author wants in there. I dont see anyone else complaining or chaning it than you. Please leave the info alone. And remember the 3 revert rule. You are not allowed to change a SINGLE article more than 3 times a day. That means the whole Eurovision 2006 article. 68.45.82.68 17:59, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think you need to read the rules you quote. The three revert rule is for vandalism and you are aloud to change an article more than three time a day, your just not aloud to revert back to previous information. The Greek section is not the only section that needs to be edited. A couple of sentences explaining career accomplishments is enough but three whole paragraphs is too much. If people want to read more information, you can posts more life story on the Anna Vissi page. Evilperson 20 18:57, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ummmmm Evilperson 20, it says under Wikipedia:Three-revert rule:

The Three-revert rule (or 3RR) is an official policy which applies to all Wikipedians.

The policy states that an editor must not perform more than three reversions, in whole or in part, on a single Wikipedia article within a 24 hour period.

This rule does not apply to:

* self-reverts

* correction of simple vandalism 68.45.82.68 19:40, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Correct, it does. Simple vandalism is "george w bush is gay". Removing material too detailed for the main article and duplicated from elsewhere is not vandalism at all. Hedley 20:12, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What are you talking about? I am talking about the 3RR rule. Evilperson 20, makes WAY more than 3 reviotons a day. 68.45.82.68 20:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I dont make reversions more than 3 times a day. I think you need to learn what a revert is! What I do is update the article. Evilperson 20 01:01, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That is exactly what I am doing. I am updating the Greek part with information. 68.45.82.68 02:11, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Finally you've hit the point of my constant reduction of the Greek info. As you can see the other countries have two short paragraphs. The first one explains the national final, the winner, and general info about the song. The second is a brief introduction to the artist which might be followed by a chart of participants for that national final. The biography of Anna Vissi is way to long and what is still there must be shortened by the time she chooses her song. It is too much uneeded information that can be easily found by clicking on Anna Vissi. I wont touch anything anymore just as long as in the upcoming weeked before the Greek National Final, you shorten the bio to a couple of sentences and change the photo from a magazine cover to an official picture. If you dont do it, then I will. Evilperson 20 02:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I planned to do that, but there is no set rule anywhere on Wikipedia limiting the length of the section. 68.45.82.68 03:26, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There's a set limit on article length, though, and it's 64KB. This article exceeds it. So yeah, if you want to play by limits, technically that section being too long is making the article too long. Hedley 13:12, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please show me that Wikipedia rule, because I have not seen it anywhere before. I am curious about it. Im not saying ur wrong, im just saying ive never seen it. Greekboy 18:13, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The rule is Wikipedia:Article Size, however this article is already broken up into different sections so it is okay, but that doesnt mean that it should contain an entire bio of someone. After someone is chosen to represent a country, I summarize the general info into a couple of sentences and another paragraph explaining the artist which is around 5 short sentences. The Greek bio is still too long so I'll have to edit that. Evilperson 20 00:20, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Okay everything is fine now with all the sections, the update on my paragrah is okay, so the only thing that should be added to the Greek section is the list of songs competing during the nf. Evilperson 20 02:21, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

68.45.82.68 please stop adding that Anna Vissi is the number one in Greece. In case you haven't noticed, this is Wikipedia, not a Vissi fan site. In fact I think there is way too much information in the Eurovision article about Vissi, whoever is interested they can always visit her page. --83.146.62.97 22:01, 16 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thank-you! Someone else see's eye-to-eye with me. There is too much information in the Greek Section! This also creates a bias towards the other countries since the others only have small paragraphs with 2-3 sentences in them describing their career. Evilperson 20 01:00, 17 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Anonymous user 68.45.82.68 I see you have a history with adding trivia. The Eurovision page is not the place to put every possible bit of information you happen to know about Anna Vissi. Let's keep it to a minimum. Do you think Vissi is the only one promoting her song? Why nobody else has put it in their respective pages? --Avg 04:57, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This is not trivia. All the other entrys have information about the artist's video clip and promo tour. And it has to do with the entry this year. STOP CHANGING IT! 68.45.82.68 14:07, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

That is not true, it is not all the other entries, it is only Greece and Cyprus which have references to promo tours. MLA 14:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If you really feel a need to write so much about the Greek entry, create Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2006, following the lead of Estonia in the Eurovision Song Contest 1996, et al. Esteffect 15:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Alright fine. If you want to take out the video clip information and promo tour info, then I should remove info promoting the other entrys too. Right? For example:

Turkey: TRT has chosen the song that Sibel will sing, and presented the video clip which involves Sibel wearing a red hat with the Turkish flag.
Monaco: The official video clip for the song was recorded on the 1st and 2nd of March

I can go on. I saw you took out Cyprus' information about her new cd that "why do the angels cry" is on. I can find examples ALL through out the article with similar information for other artist's. 68.45.82.68 16:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your revert to the Greece section now means that it is the only one that mentions a promo tour. You have identified the only two entries as well as Greece that mention the video. I think that is a less obvious removal as it does have some reference to the Eurovision but I still think it worth removing as it is minor information of close to zero notability. When I initially went through the article, it was to look for those entries with information about their own marketing and it was only Greece and Cyprus. Now it is only Greece which references the artist's marketing. MLA 16:25, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

For Turkey, that is just a note from when TRT officially presented the song which also included the presentation of the video. For Monaco, you put that information there so I can hardly see how you can use it as an example. That information should be removed as well. Evilperson 20 16:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

68.45.82.68, you are one revert (on the removal of promo information) away from violating WP:3RR. You are very much on your own in a lot of your arguments, and I still personally believe the detail on Vissi in the Greek sub-section is ridiculous. Esteffect 18:17, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I tried to reduce the size of the Greek sub-section many times, but 68.45.82.68 keeps changing it back to a huge paragraph that goes in depth. He/She claims that all her successes need to be outlined but if other users are seriously interested in reading more about Anna Vissi, they can click on Anna Vissi. I will reduce the information again and I hope the other users can help me in keeping it this way. Evilperson 20 18:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

THIS IS VERY UNFAIR! How come the other countrey are allowed to have the success of the singer in there section but not Greece? Look at belgium! It outlines kate ryans success with her english album! VERY UNFAIR. I will wait 24 hours til I am going to add it in again. I will add it in everyday until it is left alone. It is not fair to leave succeuss's of other singers in and take out Greece's. If you want no success's at all, then take them ALL out. And for your information, my information about the video clip comes from ERT. I find this very unfair that you take out Greece's parts, but leave every other country as is. 68.45.82.68 18:53, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just look at the size of Greece's section in this talk page. You have been doing the same thing for one and a half month. Don't you really understand that you're stressing everybody's patience here? Please try to understand a very simply thing. What is this article about? Is it about Anna Vissi? No. Is it even about the specifics of the Greek song at Eurovision? No. This is a place to provide a SUMMARY for the Greek entry, as a guide to someone who would browse through all entries. If you want to put more details, do so in their relevant pages. If there aren't relevant pages, create one. Browsing through the countries entries, I've found that in the summary there is a de facto consensus of putting two paragraphs of 4-6 lines each, one about the song and the other about the artist. This seems like a good guideline for this kind of article. --Avg 19:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Answer me this question. Why is it that the other countrys are allowed to have their current released cd in the info, as well as international successes, and Greece isnt? You say that it dosnt have to do with the article. If thats true, then shouldnt all the other countrys be fixed too? 68.45.82.68 19:25, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Now you are being awkward. If you look at this page, no-one but you is arguing the same points that you are. If you add it every day, you won't be helping anyone. I've already suggested creating Greece in the Eurovision Song Contest 2006, then making that a sub-article for the section. As for other countries - The length of the information is nowhere near that of Greece's. Esteffect 19:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Because it will look VERY stupid to have an article with just 2 paragraphs that should be on the eurovision 2006 page anyway.68.45.82.68 19:48, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Spain

Las Ketchup is not the chosen participant. It is only a rumour. If in fact they are chosen to represent Spain... then this information can be posted in the chart. Please stop putting incorrect information in the chart. Evilperson 20 20:50, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Republic of Nagorno karabak

This isnt recognised by any state - not even armenia. It was proclaimed only around the time when the USSR collapsed. When the armenian singer Andrej was born there, it was a part of the Azeri SSR (Azerbaijan soviet socialist republic). I think you should mention this and remove any specific mention to the Nagorno Karabak republic. It just seems to be a way to blurt out nationalism if you allow it to remain.Vank 07:05, 5 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I wrote that there and I dont see a huge problem with it. I summarized his biography and that piece of information was there and I dont plan to change it. Thanks. Evilperson 20 03:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I added Azerbaijan to the Nagorno-Karabakh reference as technically Azerbaijan would be the birthplace of anyone who was born in N-K. MLA 10:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sections?

This article looks like its going to get big when the results of the semi-final and final are posted. So is it neccessary to make a new page for the individual entries to the contest, something like Individual Entries at the Eurovision Song Contest 2006 or something like that? - Nick C 15:22, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Countries at the Eurovision Song Contest 2006 would be better naming. Esteffect 17:37, 9 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this will have to happen. I think a week before Eurovision, this information will have to move into a seperate article. Evilperson 20 03:37, 10 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Is this just basically just cutting and pasting the section on the Individual entries to a new page, as I think that all of the information about selecting the song for each country should be kept, unlike previous pages of the Eurovision Song Contest on Wikipedia, which deleted some parts to keep the information on the countries in the main article. - Nick C 19:28, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

ISRAEL

Here are two pictures of singer Eddie Butler who will represent Israel this year. [1]--80.230.43.173 12:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]