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Are you here about an edit I made? You may want to check my [[User:Collectonian|user page]] first to get some general info on [[User:Collectonian#Answers to common questions about my edits|some common questions]] about edits I make. Here are some quick links as well:
'''Sid James''' (born '''Joel Solomon Cohen'''; [[8 May]] [[1913]] – [[26 April]] [[1976]]) was a [[South African]] [[actor]], who made his career in the [[United Kingdom|British]] film and television industry. James, who was often credited as '''Sidney James''', is best remembered for his roles in the [[Carry On films|''Carry On'' films]], ''[[Bless This House]]'' and ''[[Hancock's Half Hour]]''.


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==Early life==
*[[User:Collectonian#Why did you give X article Y tag(s)?|Why did you give X article Y tag(s)?]]
James was born Joel Solomon Cohen, to Jewish parents, later changing his name to Sidney Joel Cohen and then Sid James.<ref>{{cite news|url=|title=The Classic Carry On Film Collection|first=|last=|publisher=DeAgostini|date=2003}}</ref> His family lived on Hancock Street in [[Hillbrow, Gauteng|Hillbrow]], [[Johannesburg]], [[South Africa]]. He worked as a [[diamond cutting|diamond cutter]], hairdresser, dance tutor and reputedly a part-time boxer in fairgrounds, before becoming a professional actor.
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== Back to our conversation... ==
It was at a hairdressing salon in [[Kroonstad]], [[Orange Free State]] that he met his future wife. He married Berthe Sadie Delmont, known as Toots, on [[12 August]] [[1936]] and her father Joseph Delmont, a wealthy Johannesburg businessman, bought a salon for James. Within a year, however, James announced that he wanted to become an actor and joined Johannesburg Repertory Players. Through this he got work with the [[South African Broadcasting Corporation]].


I was just going to go to [[Kinokuniya]], and get ''[[Tokyo Tribe]]''. I'm still working on [[List of series run in Shōnen Book]], adding the first and last issues. : ) — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 01:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
He and Delmont divorced in 1940 mainly as a result of James's many relationships with other women; it was a pattern that continued throughout his life. In 1943, he married a dancer, Meg Sergei, née Williams (born 1913). They divorced on [[17 August]] [[1952]]. On [[21 August]] that year he wed Valerie Elizabeth Patsy Assan (born 1928), an actress who used Ashton as her stage name. During the later part of their marriage they lived in a house partly designed by James himself called Delaford Park situated in Iver, Bucks., a location close enough to Pinewood Studios to allow him to return home for lunch whilst filming. During his marriage to Valerie he had a well publicised affair with his ''Carry On'' co-star, [[Barbara Windsor]].


:Cool beans! I only have two on going series to pick up volumes for this month, so may go ahead and get those volumes of ''[[Free Collars Kingdom]]'' and some one-shots. :) -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 01:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
During the [[Second World War]], he became a lieutenant in the [[South African Army]] in an entertainment unit, and subsequently took up acting as a career. He came to Britain in 1946 on the back of his service gratuity. Initially he worked in [[repertory]] before being spotted by the nascent British post-war film industry.


::You haven't gotten Free Collars Kingdom yet? What one-shots are you getting? — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 18:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
==Early films and radio==


:::Nope, I picked up some video games last month so decided to wait instead. Not sure on the one-shots yet. Need to see whats on my wishlist. RightStuf is having a sale on Tokyopop titles so also debating picking up the remaining available volumes of Platinum Garden. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 19:36, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
James made his first appearances in ''Night Beat'' and ''Black Memory'' (1947), both crime dramas. In 1949 he played the alcoholic hero's barman in [[Michael Powell (director)|Michael Powell]] and [[Emeric Pressburger]]'s ''[[The Small Back Room]]''.


::::Good news! I finished the [[List of series run in Shōnen Book]] list! All the dates are on there, just need to source all of them and put translations of the titles. I definatly don't think it's a one-person job, wunna help? :D — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 18:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
His first major comedy role was in ''[[The Lavender Hill Mob]]'' (1951): with [[Alfie Bass]] he made up the bullion robbery gang headed by [[Alec Guinness]] and [[Stanley Holloway]]. In the same year he also appeared in ''[[Lady Godiva Rides Again]]'' and ''[[The Galloping Major]]''; in 1956 he had a non-comic supporting role as a journalist in the science-fiction film ''[[Quatermass 2]]''. He also had a supporting part as a TV advertisement producer in [[Charlie Chaplin]]'s [[A King in New York]] (1957).


:::::The prose seems to be the main thing that needs sourcing. For translations, I can try to help out, but kinda packed for the weekend. For any that were licensed, though, I think you can just put in the English title with the link to its article. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 18:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Meanwhile, in 1954, he began working with [[Tony Hancock]] in [[BBC]] radio's ''[[Hancock's Half Hour]]'' playing a character with his own name (but having the invented middle name Balmoral), who was a petty criminal who would usually manage to con Hancock. When this was turned into a television series his part was greatly increased to the extent that some viewers considered it to be a double act. Sid James was soon getting as many laughs as his partner. In the final series, the show was renamed simply ''Hancock'' and James was not included in the cast. The show was one of the most popular comedy series in Britain on both television and radio.


::::::Only one that was published in English would be ''Speed Racer''. I did put the English title. Why are you packing for the weekend? — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 19:10, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
==''Carry On''==


:::::::Oh, I didn't mean packing, just packed as in busy. Need to do some work in my garden and in the house. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 19:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
James became a leading member of the ''[[Carry On films|Carry On]]'' team, originally to replace [[Ted Ray (comedian)|Ted Ray]] who had appeared in ''[[Carry On Teacher]]'' in 1959. It was intended that Ray would become a recurring ''Carry On'' star, but he had been dropped after just one film due to a contractual issues (he was contracted to ABC films who had never used him). James ultimately made 19 ''Carry On'' films, making him one of the most regular-appearing of the cast.


::::::::Oooooh. :P I get cha'. Right now i'm sourcing the dates on the page. I still need to go to Kinokuniya. — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 19:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
The characters he portrayed in the films were usually very similar to the wise-cracking, sly, lecherous cockney he was famed for playing on television, and often had the name Sid or Sidney.


:::::::::Found a few items while out shopping this weekend. Two ''Sailor Moon SuperS'' volumes and a brand new copy of the first volume of ''[[Cromartie High School]]''. I bought them all and put them on eBay. :D -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 19:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
The exceptions were in Carry On Henry - a parody of Henry VIII - and Carry On Dick - a parody of legendary highwayman Dick Turpin, in which he played the titular roles.


::::::::::Cool. I'm just noticing how weird these squares are: ■. It looks like something you'd bleep out a swear with. STUP■D, D■MB, MEAN■E HE■D. :D — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 00:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
==Sid and Sidney==


:::::::::::LOL, I was thinking they look a little like those censor bars you see in government released documents where they mark out all to good parts :P -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Sid James was so identified with the similar characters that he played that they were often also called "Sid" or "Sidney". Apart from Sidney Fiddler, Sid Carter, Sid Plummer, Sidney Bliss, Sidney Boggle and Sir Sidney Ruff-Diamond in the ''Carry On'' films, he played Sid Abbot in ''Bless This House'' on television and its [[spin-off]] film, as well as Sids Jones, Turner, Marks, Stone, and Gibson in addition to four characters called just 'Sid'. His Sidney Balmoral James from ''Hancock's Half Hour'' also appeared in his own ''[[Citizen James]]'' series. His trademark "dirty laugh" was employed frequently.


::::::::::::Haha. They look like that too. : ) Ruplum og rænum! — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 23:04, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
==Health==
In 1967, James was supposed to play Sergeant Nocker in ''Carry On [[Follow That Camel]]'', but suffered a massive [[myocardial infarction|heart attack]] and was replaced by the American comic actor [[Phil Silvers]]. In the same year in ''[[Carry On Doctor]]'' James was shown mainly lying in a hospital bed, owing to his real-life health scare.


:::::::::::::Ruplum og rænum? -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 23:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
He later enjoyed success at the head of casts of TV situation comedies, notably ''[[George and the Dragon]]'', ''[[Taxi!]]'', ''[[Two In Clover]]'', and ''[[Bless This House]]''. He suffered a [[myocardial infarction|heart attack]] on 26 April 1976, the opening night of ''[[The Mating Season]]'' at the [[Sunderland Empire Theatre]] and died on stage. The announcer called for the curtain to close and requested a doctor, whilst the audience (unaware of what was happening) laughed, believing the events to be part of the show. He was 62. He was cremated and his ashes scattered at [[Golders Green Crematorium]].


::::::::::::::It's icelandic for "You are a Pirate!". — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 21:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Later it was rumoured that Sid James's ghost haunted the dressing room he occupied on the night of his death. After one experience during a gig there, the comedian [[Les Dawson]] refused to play the venue again. He never revealed why and would not talk on the subject.<ref>{{cite web |url=http://www.shieldsgazette.com/CustomPages/CustomPage.aspx?PageID=58275&sectionID=6150 |title=Theatre Stage An Old Haunt For Sid? |accessdate=2008-03-15 |format=newspaper |work=The Shields Gazette }}</ref>


:::::::::::::::Anyway, what's new? — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 23:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Sid James's fate is touched upon in [[Bryan Talbot]]'s book ''[[Alice in Sunderland]]'' (2007).


== Strawberry Panic! ==
==Biography==
In 1995, Virgin Books published Cliff Goodwin's ''Sid James: A Biography''.<ref>[http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0753505541 Amazon.co.uk: ''Sid James: A Biography]</ref>


I'm very sorry that I never got back to you on this.. Alas, I think I've done all the anime/manga/video game reviews I can take for a while. Good luck with it, though, and hopefully I can be of more assistance in the future! [[User:Scartol|<span style="color:#060">Scartol</span>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Scartol|<span style="color:#060"><small>Tok</small></span>]] 15:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
It goes into detail about James's gambling addiction and the agreement he had with his agent, Michael Sullivan, whereby his wife did not know how much he was being paid, with a portion set aside for gambling. An inveterate gambler, James was also a largely unsuccessful one and lost tens of thousands of pounds over his lifetime.


:No prob :) -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 15:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
The biography also tells of James's obsession with [[Barbara Windsor]], and how it led to his returning home one day to find that her husband of the time, [[Ronnie Knight]], had put an axe in his floor.


== Grammar question on video formats ==


Apparently I owe you another response. =) Technically speaking, neither "to" nor "on" is appropriate when discussing VHS. VHS is a ''format'', which means "in" is best, and usually with an explanatory word after "VHS" – as in: "The first series was released in VHS format in 1998". If you're talking about discs or cassettes, "on" is more standard. (I don't know if we have a technical preference in the textbooks yet, since they're relatively new formats.) If you're saying DVDs, for example, you might say: "The first series was released on six DVDs in 1998".
==Filmography==
===Early Filmography===
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*''[[Black Memory]]'' (1947)
*''[[The October Man]]'' (1947)
*''[[It Always Rains on Sunday]]'' (1947)
*''[[Night Beat]]'' (1947)
*''[[No Orchids for Miss Blandish]]'' (1948)
*''[[Once a Jolly Swagman]]'' (1949)
*''[[The Small Back Room]]'' (1949)
*''[[Man in Black (1949 film)|Man in Black]]'' (1949)
*''[[Paper Orchid]]'' (1949)
*''[[Give Us This Day]]'' (1949)
*''[[The Lady Craved Excitement]]'' (1950)
*''[[Last Holiday (1950 film)|Last Holiday]]'' (1950)
*''[[Talk of a Million]]'' (1951)
*''[[The Galloping Major (film)|The Galloping Major]]'' (1951)
*''[[The Lavender Hill Mob]]'' (1951)
*''[[The Magic Box (film)|The Magic Box]]'' (1951) (cameo)
*''[[Lady Godiva Rides Again]]'' (1951)
*''[[Cosh Boy]]'' (1952)
*''[[I Believe in You]] (1952)
*''[[Emergency Call]]'' (1952)
*''[[Miss Robin Hood]]'' (1952)
*''[[The Tall Headlines]]'' (1952)
*''[[Gift Horse (film)|Gift Horse]]'' (1952)
*''[[Time Gentlemen, Please!]]'' (1952)
*''[[Father's Doing Fine]]'' (1952)
*''[[Venetian Bird]]'' (1952)
*''[[The Wedding of Lilli Marlene]]'' (1953)
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*''[[The Titfield Thunderbolt]]'' (1953)
*''[[The Flanagan Boy]]'' (1953)
*''[[The Square Ring]]'' (1953)
*''[[The Yellow Balloon (film)|The Yellow Balloon]]'' (1953)
*''[[Will Any Gentlemen...?]]'' (1953)
*''[[Park Plaza 605]]'' (1953)
*''[[Is Your Honeymoon Really Necessary?]]'' (1953)
*''[[Escape by Night]]'' (1953)
*''[[The Weak and the Wicked]]'' (1954)
*''[[For Better, for Worse]]'' (1954)
*''[[The Rainbow Jacket]]'' (1954)
*''[[Seagulls Over Sorrento]]'' (1954)
*''[[The Crowded Day]]'' (1954)
*''[[Orders Are Orders]]'' (1954)
*''[[Aunt Clara (1954 film)|Aunt Clara]]'' (1954)
*''[[The House Across the Lake (1954 film)|The House Across the Lake]]'' (1954)
*''[[Father Brown (1954 film)|Father Brown]]'' (1954)
*''[[The Belles of St. Trinian's]]'' (1954)
*''[[A Kid for Two Farthings (film)|A Kid for Two Farthings]]'' (1955)
*''[[The Deep Blue Sea (1955 film)|The Deep Blue Sea]]'' (1955)
*''[[It's a Great Day]]'' (1955)
*''[[A Yank in Ermine]]'' (1955)
*''[[Out of the Clouds]]'' (1955)
*''[[The Glass Cage]]'' (1955)
*''[[John and Julie]]'' (1955)
*''[[Joe MacBeth]]'' (1955)
*''[[The Extra Day]]'' (1956)
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Notice, too, that "as" also works if you're describing specific products: "The first series was released as six DVDs in 1998". Hope this helps! [[User:Scartol|<span style="color:#060">Scartol</span>]]&nbsp;•&nbsp;[[User_talk:Scartol|<span style="color:#060"><small>Tok</small></span>]] 15:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
===Later Filmography===
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*''[[Wicked as they Come]]'' (1956)
*''[[Ramsbottom Rides Again]]'' (1956)
*''[[Dry Rot (film)|Dry Rot]]'' (1956)
*''[[Trapeze (film)|Trapeze]]'' (1956)
*''[[The Iron Petticoat]]'' (1956)
*''[[The Smallest Show on Earth]]'' (1957)
*''[[Quatermass 2]]'' (1957)
*''[[Interpol (1957 film)|Interpol]]'' (1957)
*''[[Hell Drivers (film)|Hell Drivers]]'' (1957)
*''[[The Story of Esther Costello]]'' (1957)
*''[[Campbell's Kingdom]]'' (1957)
*''[[A King in New York]]'' (1957)
*''[[The Shiralee]]'' (1957)
*''[[The Sheriff of Fractured Jaw]]'' (1958)
*''[[The Silent Enemy (film)|The Silent Enemy]]'' (1958)
*''[[Another Time, Another Place (1958 film)|Another Time, Another Place]]'' (1958)
*''[[I Was Monty's Double (film)|I Was Monty's Double]]'' (1958)
*''[[Next to No Time]]'' (1958)
*''[[The Man Inside]]'' (1958)
*''[[Desert Mice]]'' (1959)
*''[[Make Mine a Million]]'' (1959)
*''[[Too Many Crooks]]'' (1959)
*''[[The 39 Steps (1959 film)|The 39 Steps]]'' (1959)
*''[[Idle on Parade]]'' (1959)
*''[[Upstairs and Downstairs]]'' (1959)
*''[[Tommy and Toreador]]'' (1959)
*''[[Carry On Constable]]'' (1960)
*''[[Watch your Stern]]'' (1960)
*''[[And the Same to You]]'' (1960)
*''[[The Pure Hell of St Trinian's]]'' (1960)
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*''[[Carry On Regardless]]'' (1961)
*''[[Double Bunk]]'' (1961)
*''[[A Weekend with Lulu]]'' (1961)
*''[[The Green Helmet]]'' (1961)
*''[[Raising the Wind]]'' (1961)
*''[[What a Carve Up!]]'' (1961)
*''[[What a Whopper]]'' (1961)
*''[[We Joined the Navy]]'' (1962)
*''[[Carry On Cruising]]'' (1962)
*''[[Carry On Cabby]]'' (1963)


:LOL, so we're both wrong there then. Thanks and that does help. Never even though about VHS being a format. :p -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 16:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
*''[[Carry On Cleo]]'' (1964)
*''[[The Beauty Jungle]]'' (1964)
*''[[The Big Job (film)|The Big Job]]'' (1965)
*''[[Three Hats for Lisa ]]'' (1965)
*''[[Carry On Cowboy]]'' (1965)
*''[[Don't Lose Your Head]]'' (1966)
*''[[Where the Bullets Fly]]'' (1966)
*''[[Carry On Doctor]]'' (1967)
*''[[Carry On... Up the Khyber]]'' (1968)
*''[[Carry On Camping]]'' (1969)
*''[[Carry On Again Doctor]]'' (1969)
*''[[Carry On Up the Jungle]]'' (1970)
*''[[Carry On Loving]]'' (1970)
*''[[Carry On Henry]]'' (1971)
*''[[Carry On at Your Convenience]]'' (1971)
*''[[Tokoloshe (1971 film)|Tokoloshe ]]'' (1971)
*''[[Carry On Matron]]'' (1972)
*''[[Carry On Abroad]]'' (1972)
*''[[Bless This House (film)|Bless This House]]'' (1972)
*''[[Carry On Girls]]'' (1973)
*''[[Carry On Dick]]'' (1974)
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==References==
== RE: DBZ AfDs ==


Out of curiosity, Collectonian, why didn't you or Sesshomaru leave any notifications at [[Talk:List of Dragon Ball characters]], where all the discussion was taking place? [[User:GlassCobra|<font color="002bb8">Glass</font>]]'''[[User talk:GlassCobra|<font color="002bb8">Cobra</font>]]''' 18:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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:I didn't nominate any articles for deletion, so why are you also pointing the finger at me? And if you noticed, [[User:JJJ999]] already left a note at that talk page. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 18:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::Fair enough, apologies for dragging you into this, Sesshomaru. And yes, JJJ999 did leave a note there, but much much after the fact. As in, several days. [[User:GlassCobra|<font color="002bb8">Glass</font>]]'''[[User talk:GlassCobra|<font color="002bb8">Cobra</font>]]''' 18:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:Because there is no obligation to do so, what so ever, and I would presume that the editors who so vehemently argued against the merges would have had the articles on their watchlists considering they went and reverted them all. All of the AfDs were also posted to the public and highly viewed Anime and manga project deletion list. Also you may note that JJJ999 was the one who initially demanded that the merged items be taken to AfD because he felt talk page consensus for merges was worthless. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 19:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:As you are an admin, I'd like to ask you to please either do something about JJJ999's continuing unfounded and vicious personal attacks and accusations of collusion, sneakiness, etc, or please advise as to where to report this. He is now repeating his false attacks in the Cell AfD and I'm getting really tired of it. He's even attacking Sesshomaru now and another admin (Sephiroth BCR) with such out right lies. It breaks all lines of [[WP:AGF]] and [[WP:CIVILITY]] and I'm shocked that he's been allowed to continue to get away with it. Far more experienced and productive editors have been warned for much less, yet he gets to do this for weeks? -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


== Karakuridôji Ultimo article ==
* Dictionary of National Biography


I created a new [[Karakuridôji Ultimo]] article. It still has a few issues, etc. But so far i'm thinking it looks pretty good. : ) Do you want to help? — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 23:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
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:Hello? — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 00:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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::I'm not familiar with that work at all, unfortunately. I can do MoS fixes once the info is there, but I'm curious as to how it meets [[WP:BK]] for notability? -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
==External links==
* {{imdb name|0416228|Sid James}}
* [http://www.thewhippitinn.com Carry On Films at The Whippit Inn]
* [http://www.carryonline.com Carry On Line: Official Website of the Carry On films]
* [http://sidjames.bravehost.com/ Sid James Fan site]
* {{Find A Grave|id=18709}}
*[http://www.aveleyman.com/ActorCredit.aspx?ActorID=8656 Sid James at Aveleyman]


:::LOL. : ) The manga is created by former Marvel chairman [[Stan Lee]] and ''[[Shaman King]]'' creator [[Hiroyuki Takei]]. It is considered on of the most important manga in ''Jump'' history. : ) — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 01:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
{{Carry On Films}}


::::The creator doesn't really make it notable though :P Who says it is one of the most important manga in the magazine's history (and, outside of the magazine?) -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
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:::::I updated a few things there. I have a question about the nihongo:
[[de:Sidney James]]
{{nihongo|'''''Karakuridôji Ultimo'''''|機巧童子ウルテイモ|Karakuri Dōji Uruteimo|literally: "''Robot Child: Ultimo''"}}
[[ro:Sidney James]]

[[sv:Sid James]]
:::::Shouldn't it be written like this:

{{nihongo|'''''Karakuridôji Ultimo'''''|機巧童子ウルテイモ|Karakuri Dōji Uruteimo|lit. "Robot Child: Ultimo"|or simply '''''Ultimo'''''}}

:::::[[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 02:30, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::Where does the "or simply Ultimo" from from? Is that how its primarily referred to, or just a short nickname used casually? If the later, I'd think it wouldn'tneed to be at all. For the lit, yes, I think it is supposed to be shortened. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:32, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Something like that. In all the recent interviews I've seen with Stan Lee, he refers to it as "Ultimo". Not sure about the other guy though. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 02:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::I wasn't very clear on that. ^_- That's how it is commonly reffered to by Stan and Viz. Sorry for the confusion. — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 03:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::Is "Karakuridôji Ultimo" the official Viz title? Just want to make sure. [[User:Sesshomaru|Lord Sesshomaru]] <small>([[User talk:Sesshomaru|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sesshomaru|edits]])</small> 03:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::Yes, it is. Viz uses a [[circumflex]] for the "o". — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 03:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::::Just to clarify...this is a single chapter story? -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 04:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::::It will be created into a full series in ''Jump SQ.'' Ultimo also has millions of sources, which makes it easy to write the article. : ) — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 04:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::::::Alrighty. I've done some MoS and grammar fixes to the article. Here is another source[http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/press-release/2008-04-04/comics-legend-stan-lee-and-shaman-king-manga-creator-hiroyuki-takei-present-their-new-collaboration-ultimo-karakuridoji-ultimo]. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 04:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== Dragon Ball merges: Episode 2, the attack of...(wait, how was it named?) ==

Now they called another group to see what should happen. I wonder what will happen? By the way, should now full dates be linked? Im a bit confused.[[User:Tintor2|Tintor2]] ([[User talk:Tintor2|talk]]) 00:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:Yep...seems like they will never be satisfied with a merge closing, so now they are attacking the AfDs because they aren't going their way either. And no, full dates should no longer be linked per the updated Date MoS to stop the majority of the date auto formatting. This includes in the prose and the tables...I haven't found a good answer about the infoboxes yet though. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

::It's not so much attacking the AFDs as attacking the AFD'''ers'''. Ad hominem attacks are good arguments I heard. '''[[User:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#120A8F">Sui</span>]][[User_talk:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#116062">get</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Suigetsu|<span style="color:#013220">su</span>]]''' 02:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:::True, though it seems like they are doing both. The AfDs both seem to be going to merge, IMHO, so now they seek to invalidate them by attacking the nominators. *sigh* -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

::::We should really merge them soon, since there obviously isn't a single valid argument for keeping the articles regardless of what the fanboys whine about. '''[[User:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#120A8F">Sui</span>]][[User_talk:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#116062">get</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Suigetsu|<span style="color:#013220">su</span>]]''' 02:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::Actually they all already were merged, but the complainers undid all three merges, then went on the attack on the talk page. When the AfDs are done and, presuming they close as merge, they each have links to the merged versions for easy remerging. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::::Goddamnit. '''[[User:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#120A8F">Sui</span>]][[User_talk:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#116062">get</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Suigetsu|<span style="color:#013220">su</span>]]''' 02:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::Suigetsu, be considerate of what Collectonian wrote at the top of this page. What you just wrote sounded very rude, also notice how she didn't respond to you. While you're at it, also try not to be so vulgar here on Wikipedia, as some of the vulgraty can be offensive to some users. Not so much to me, but just keep that in mind. : ) — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 00:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::Its okay, I understand his frustration with the mess going on over there. I just didn't reply because that pretty much said it all :P -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 01:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::Oh, sorry. :nP I'm a hickalope. — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 01:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::::hickalope? -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 01:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::::LOL. Hickalope. It's a running joke with my cousins, along with [http://www.something.com/ "I'm a dorkfish!"]. — [[User:Jump Guru|<span style="color:#BCBCBC; font: 90% trebuchet ms;">'''<span style="color: blue;">J U M P</span> <span style="color: magenta;">G U R U</span>'''</span>]] <sup><small>■[[User talk:Jump Guru|TALK]]■</small></sup> 01:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== RE:Timmy Martin ==

I left a note on her talk page. One for you; even if you may be backed by policy in a matter, you're still not allowed to edit war. Since this is a content dispute, you can't just plainly revert edits as vandalism. Next time, come get me so that we can settle this ''before'' you guys make 50 revisions each, ok? <tt>:)</tt> Thanks, [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 05:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

:Will do. This is why I gave up editing most of the Lassie articles awhile back. *sigh* Too much drama, even if I do love the series and want to see it have pretty FA stars beside its name. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 05:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

::You don't have to give up; just a bit less conflict would be great. <tt>:D</tt> Anyway, do you think you can figure this out with Lassie or do you want me to moderate and help you guys reach a decision? [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 05:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Abandoning them to their sad state is less stressful than dealing with her, as she seems determind to reject anything I do. I firmly believe this article (as well as the [[Lassie (1954 TV series)|series article]]) could be fairly quickly and easily taken to GA and/or FA with some work, so I'm finding it very frustrating dealing with this kind of thing. The show has a ton of sources, and yet both are start class, and I honestly feel it is because the whole thing is "controlled" by a single fan who chases away other editors, including those experienced in the topic. When I took on editing ''[[Meerkat Manor]]'', it was primarily "controlled" by some minor fans (uh, minor as in age not lessor importance), and they were far more receptive to discussing and actually learning from more experienced editors than ItsLassieTime seems to be. As someone who wrestled what was once a very badly done single lengthy fancruft piece into a featured article, two featured lists, a good article, and a featured topic, it is hard for me to deal with her complete lack of respect for other editors and her total disregard for many guidelines, policies, and other editor's experience.

:::You may notice from her talk page that after my nominating Ruth and Paul Martin's articles for AfD, she went on a [[WP:POINT|pointy]] spree of AfDing obviously notable character articles.[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ItsLassieTime&diff=prev&oldid=244075091] We went through stuff over and over on the series page, though then she acted fairly polite at first and eager to learn, but I finally just walked away rather than deal with that kind of thing over and over. Anyway, I've asked for an opinion from the TV project on which version is "best practices" for this article. Some moderation would be good, though, as I do still at least edit the Lassie articles and would like to not have to worry about her coming behind and reverting everything I do simply because she doesn't like me anymore. Kinda sad if ya think about it, considering I was the one who welcomed her here and praised her earlier edits. No good deed and all that...-- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 05:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

::::I realize it may be hard to stay civil, but I find that the number one cause of these matters spiraling downwards is that people lose sight of what they're actually discussing and just begin a torrent of ad-hominem attacks or berate the other editor(s) for what they did that is perceived wrong, etc. I know it may be hard to try to keep working with someone who isn't exactly reciprocating, but hopefully Lassie will respond on my talk page and you guys can handle this just fine.
::::Thanks for keeping your cool (for the most part <tt>:P</tt>) up 'til now! Cheers, [[User:Master of Puppets|<span style="color:#7d7d7d">'''M'''aster '''o'''f '''P'''uppets</span>]] [[User talk:Master of Puppets|<sub style="color:#7d7d7d">Call me MoP! :)</sub>]] 01:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Trinity Blood ==

The characters do exist. You can see them in many official pieces of art featuring the RCO and they are in the novels. You already know about Susann, amd Guderian is in ROM, but the book hasn't been released in America yet. Nothing I put was spam and I did not destroy the article. I simply added two secondary characters who fill out the remainder of the RCO's roster. The Trinity Blood series doesn't have that many notable characters (or many characters at all), but these characters are just as notable as some of the others on this page. I only ask that you let off this reversion thing only a little bit and stop reverting even the addition of a few sentences. It appears really controlling.[[Special:Contributions/74.193.217.105|74.193.217.105]] ([[User talk:74.193.217.105|talk]]) 06:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

And so that you know since you haven't noticed miss: Most of that list page is unsourced![[Special:Contributions/74.193.217.105|74.193.217.105]] ([[User talk:74.193.217.105|talk]]) 06:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

:I didn't say the characters don't exist, but that they seem pretty minor. The list probably has more on the page that need to go because folks just basically added all of the characters from all three versions, though we've culled others before per the talk page. I've removed Wendy and Peter (as I agree with you there). And yes, I know most of the list is unsourced...its still a work in progress since the novels are last to be released but the primary work. If you want to readd, I won't revert again. The whole list will basically be rebuilt from the ground up anyway when all of the novels are available. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 06:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

::Ok then, I'll readd it. And Believe me: I am here to help and I understand how you feel. I don't think you are a bad person or editor, it is just discouraging to have even the edition of a word or pargraph reverted at the drop of the hat.[[Special:Contributions/74.193.217.105|74.193.217.105]] ([[User talk:74.193.217.105|talk]]) 06:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Thanks and no problem. I mostly am just trying to keep out the excess stuff, ya know (and I'll admit, the first time you added it, I was like "eh? a werewolf??" :P). If you could put in some notes (either as hidden comments or as basic refs) noting which novel they are in, it would be helpful for later. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 06:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

::::What could help would be to add the official picture/roster of the RCO. I will see if I could add it later. We need a picture for them anyway[[Special:Contributions/74.193.217.105|74.193.217.105]] ([[User talk:74.193.217.105|talk]]) 06:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::A single official image of the RCO would be very helpful! If you can find one, though, I believe Wikipedia is set up such that you'd have to register before it will let you upload it (or if you don't want to reigster, you can leave me a note with the link to it and I can can upload). -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 07:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Deletion review for [[:Cell (Dragon Ball)]] ==

An editor has asked for a [[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2008 October 9#Cell (Dragon Ball)|deletion review]] of [[:Cell (Dragon Ball)]]. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. <!-- This originally was from the template {{subst:DRVNote|PAGE_NAME}} ~~~~ --> -- [[User:Suntag|Suntag]] [[User talk:Suntag|<b><big><font color="#FF8C00">☼</font></big></b>]] 08:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Triple crown awards ==

Just making a note that you qualify for one of [[User:Durova]]'s [[WP:CROWN|triple crown awards]], namely the imperial triple crown (2-4 DYK/GA/FC). Feel free to nominate yourself at [[WP:CROWN/NOM]]. Cheers, — <font face="Segoe Script">[[User:Sephiroth BCR|<font color="navy">'''sephiroth bcr'''</font>]]</font> <font face="Verdana"><sup>'''([[User talk:Sephiroth BCR|<font color="blue">converse</font>]])'''</sup></font> 08:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

:Oh cool! Thanks :) -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 13:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

:Man, if I had just one more GA, I could go for Imperial Napoleonic triple crown *grin* Alas, my current most likely candidate needs a copy editing. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 04:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Infobox links ==

Hello, I am thinking about going ahead and requesting the change to {{tl|Film}} to remove the external links based on the [[WT:FILM#External links in film infoboxes|community discussion]]. I would like to make sure that this does not deprive articles of links to IMDb, AMG, or the official site. Do you have any suggestions about setting up a bot or some kind of method to go through with this? —<font face="Palatino Linotype">[[User:Erik|Erik]]</font> ([[User talk:Erik|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Erik|contrib]]) - 16:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

:Hmmm...I'm guessing a decent bot editor could whip up something fairly quickly. The anime and manga project did a bunch of changes to some of our infoboxes recently, but I think a single editor just went through and changed all the articles using [[Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser|AWB]]. There is a page there where one can request tasks be done. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 16:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Spamming ==

I did resent being accused of spamming, though, even if you were joking. :-( --[[User:GentlemanGhost|GentlemanGhost]] ([[User talk:GentlemanGhost|talk]]) 19:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

:When a redlink user adds an external link to a guideline page like that, spam tends to be my first thought. Didn't realize at first that you were an active editor. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 19:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

::Heh. Yeah, I get more than a few askance glances because I haven't bothered to create a user page. I guess I feel that it isn't that important who I am, I'm just here to edit. Anyway, no harm done. Thanks for responding. Cheers, [[User:GentlemanGhost|GentlemanGhost]] ([[User talk:GentlemanGhost|talk]]) 19:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

:::No worries...you aren't the first to be here for ages and make one. Then I see some just make one that's blank to get rid of the red LOL. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 19:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== Unmerge discussion ==

Is this like an early April Fool's joke? I feel like we're on Candid Camera or something. '''[[User:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#120A8F">Sui</span>]][[User_talk:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#116062">get</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Suigetsu|<span style="color:#013220">su</span>]]''' 00:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:I wish. This guy is being total rabid. I suspect that unless an admin steps in and makes him, he is going to just keep restarting the discussion over and over and over until everyone gets sick of it and he drives all editors away so he can do whatever he likes. Either way, this is annoying and disruptive. No real work is going on with the list now because of all this mess.-- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

::Would it be insane to open up an RfA for this? (arbitration, not adminship) '''[[User:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#120A8F">Sui</span>]][[User_talk:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#116062">get</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Suigetsu|<span style="color:#013220">su</span>]]''' 00:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Not sure...they are two requests for mediation now on the Cell and Tien S. merges. *sigh* I'd say a RfC/U, but those are pretty useless. Maybe the information arbitration, as I don't think they will take a full arbitration unless the rest have been done? I think something should be done, though. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 00:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

::::Also, why are admins like DGG and GlassCobra supposedly supporting the articles and opposing the merges, or is that just a concoction by JJJ? '''[[User:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#120A8F">Sui</span>]][[User_talk:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#116062">get</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Suigetsu|<span style="color:#013220">su</span>]]''' 00:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Its mostly a concoction. They did both feel there was no clear consensus to merge on the Cell and Tien Shinhan discussions, which led to their being unmerged and taken to AfD instead. DGG has expressed no opinion on either article on the list page, while GlassCobra did note he supported keeping Cell separate and has been part of the discussion regarding what to do with Trunks and Future Trunks. JJJ999 however, has decided that this all means that the admins "yelled" at anyone who opposed the merges (false) and would help him save the articles (also false, both are fair admins who can put aside their own points of view to accepted a wider consensus). -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 01:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::[[Star Trek|Our vectors cannot handle stupidity of this magnitude, chief.]] '''[[User:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#120A8F">Sui</span>]][[User_talk:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#116062">get</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Suigetsu|<span style="color:#013220">su</span>]]''' 01:12, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I'm amused that after the pages of personal attacks and out right nastiness he has displayed, he is calling you rude. *eye roll* -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 01:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::In addition to that, '''I'm''' surprised that he thinks it holds any weight. I mean, around here, saying I'm rude is like saying that water is blue. /facepalm. '''[[User:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#120A8F">Sui</span>]][[User_talk:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#116062">get</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Suigetsu|<span style="color:#013220">su</span>]]''' 01:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I'm getting tired of this... I'm seriously having to restrain myself from going apeshit on this guy. Can you take over the debates for a minute while I have some water, or something to take my mind off of what is probably the biggest hit to my faith in humanity since Janet Jackson's Super Bowl flash? '''[[User:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#120A8F">Sui</span>]][[User_talk:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#116062">get</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Suigetsu|<span style="color:#013220">su</span>]]''' 02:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

::::::::::I suspect that until an admin actually puts their foot down, he will just keep up with the personal attacks. I'm rather disappointed that for a discussion with at least 3 admins, no one has done so yet. For the most part, I'm just trying to ignore him at this point and barely even read what he writes. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Saga Breakdown fix ==

I've been trying to fix the saga breakdown. The Namek saga is missing from the context. Can you help me insert it...the Namek saga ends in "Goku...Super Saiyan" and Captain Ginyu saga starts from the episode "Ginyu Assault". - [[User:Zarbon|Zarbon]] ([[User talk:Zarbon|talk]]) 02:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:The saga is not missing. Funimation does not include it in its list of sagas, hence it not being there. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

::You're wrong. Actually, Funimation DOES include it. Did you manage to buy the season 2 DVD set? You'd see on it, it says "The complete NAMEK and Captain Ginyu Sagas". The Namek saga is not a part of the Captain Ginyu Saga. Please take note of this. I'd stake my life on it. Do I HAVE to show you the actual capture of the DVD BOX released by Funimation to prove this to you? Because NEVER EVER were "Zarbon Transformed" and "Escape from Dodoria" a part of the "Captain Ginyu Saga". - [[User:Zarbon|Zarbon]] ([[User talk:Zarbon|talk]]) 02:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:::yeah, Funimation released a Namek saga box set. '''[[User:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#120A8F">Sui</span>]][[User_talk:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#116062">get</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Suigetsu|<span style="color:#013220">su</span>]]''' 02:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:::(edit conflict)Look at the official Dragon Ball Z page from Funimation. They do not have the Namek saga listed. A reliable source is needed to say the Funimation page is wrong. Looking at the covers of the official DVDs, I see no mention of Saga's at all, it uses season divisions instead. Was that an older DVD release? -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

You're being foolish. The site has not yet been updated for the past year. It's still missing information from all the sagas. You shouldn't rely on the website, they are still missing lots of information there. Here's your ACTUAL PROOF: http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/d7/ce/39e0eb6709a003409ba13110.L.jpg - [[User:Zarbon|Zarbon]] ([[User talk:Zarbon|talk]]) 02:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:Erm, although I begrudgingly agree with you, the "foolish" comment was uncalled for. In the future, remain [[WP:CIVIL]]. '''[[User:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#120A8F">Sui</span>]][[User_talk:Suigetsu|<span style="color:#116062">get</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Suigetsu|<span style="color:#013220">su</span>]]''' 02:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:There is no reason to insult me here. The back does indeed say that, but does it say where the division is? -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:::My pleasure. I didn't mean to insult at all. By foolish I meant that my edit was dismissed almost immediately without looking into the actual item. No offence, alright. Here's the actual amazon listing as you requested. Just check the images of the boxart for your convenience. The Funimation website is delayed with much of its data and is lacking with too much to name. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000MTOM8A/ref=cm_cmu_pg__header - [[User:Zarbon|Zarbon]] ([[User talk:Zarbon|talk]]) 02:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:::The episode break comes from "Ginyu Assault" starting the Captain Ginyu Saga. It was only 7 episodes. - [[User:Zarbon|Zarbon]] ([[User talk:Zarbon|talk]]) 02:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

::::I've restored your edits. Thanks for providing the source for that. Where does Namek start? You said its only seven episodes, but the division you put in gives it 27? -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

::::Namek is not 7. Captain Ginyu Saga is 7. I said Namek is much longer my dear comrade. Namek starts at Friends or Foes...and ends at Legend Revealed a.k.a. Goku...Super Saiyan. - [[User:Zarbon|Zarbon]] ([[User talk:Zarbon|talk]]) 02:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::Okay...you said It was only seven, I presumed you meant Namek. Gotcha. Thanks. -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 02:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:::::::You're welcome mate. Cheers. :] - [[User:Zarbon|Zarbon]] ([[User talk:Zarbon|talk]]) 02:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Trunks vs F. Trunks ==

There is some confusion regarding the sections. I placed your comments and all others in a section at the end of the page, as a "new" section. Hope you don't mind it. --[[User:Lord Opeth|<span style="color:black">'''LoЯd'''</span>]] [[User talk:Lord Opeth|<span style="color:red">'''۞pεth'''</span>]] 04:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:Actually, you moved some of comments to totally different sections :P I undid then redid it per what you just said here. Is that what you meant to do? -- [[User:Collectonian|<span style='font-family: "Comic Sans MS"; color:#5342F'>Collectonian</span>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Collectonian|talk]]&nbsp;'''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Collectonian|contribs]]) 04:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Warning ==

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Back to our conversation...

I was just going to go to Kinokuniya, and get Tokyo Tribe. I'm still working on List of series run in Shōnen Book, adding the first and last issues. : ) — J U M P G U R U TALK 01:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Cool beans! I only have two on going series to pick up volumes for this month, so may go ahead and get those volumes of Free Collars Kingdom and some one-shots. :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
You haven't gotten Free Collars Kingdom yet? What one-shots are you getting? — J U M P G U R U TALK 18:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Nope, I picked up some video games last month so decided to wait instead. Not sure on the one-shots yet. Need to see whats on my wishlist. RightStuf is having a sale on Tokyopop titles so also debating picking up the remaining available volumes of Platinum Garden. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:36, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
Good news! I finished the List of series run in Shōnen Book list! All the dates are on there, just need to source all of them and put translations of the titles. I definatly don't think it's a one-person job, wunna help? :D — J U M P G U R U TALK 18:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
The prose seems to be the main thing that needs sourcing. For translations, I can try to help out, but kinda packed for the weekend. For any that were licensed, though, I think you can just put in the English title with the link to its article. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 18:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Only one that was published in English would be Speed Racer. I did put the English title. Why are you packing for the weekend? — J U M P G U R U TALK 19:10, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh, I didn't mean packing, just packed as in busy. Need to do some work in my garden and in the house. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Oooooh. :P I get cha'. Right now i'm sourcing the dates on the page. I still need to go to Kinokuniya. — J U M P G U R U TALK 19:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Found a few items while out shopping this weekend. Two Sailor Moon SuperS volumes and a brand new copy of the first volume of Cromartie High School. I bought them all and put them on eBay. :D -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Cool. I'm just noticing how weird these squares are: ■. It looks like something you'd bleep out a swear with. STUP■D, D■MB, MEAN■E HE■D. :D — J U M P G U R U TALK 00:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
LOL, I was thinking they look a little like those censor bars you see in government released documents where they mark out all to good parts :P -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Haha. They look like that too. : ) Ruplum og rænum! — J U M P G U R U TALK 23:04, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
Ruplum og rænum? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
It's icelandic for "You are a Pirate!". — J U M P G U R U TALK 21:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Anyway, what's new? — J U M P G U R U TALK 23:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Strawberry Panic!

I'm very sorry that I never got back to you on this.. Alas, I think I've done all the anime/manga/video game reviews I can take for a while. Good luck with it, though, and hopefully I can be of more assistance in the future! Scartol • Tok 15:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

No prob :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Grammar question on video formats

Apparently I owe you another response. =) Technically speaking, neither "to" nor "on" is appropriate when discussing VHS. VHS is a format, which means "in" is best, and usually with an explanatory word after "VHS" – as in: "The first series was released in VHS format in 1998". If you're talking about discs or cassettes, "on" is more standard. (I don't know if we have a technical preference in the textbooks yet, since they're relatively new formats.) If you're saying DVDs, for example, you might say: "The first series was released on six DVDs in 1998".

Notice, too, that "as" also works if you're describing specific products: "The first series was released as six DVDs in 1998". Hope this helps! Scartol • Tok 15:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

LOL, so we're both wrong there then. Thanks and that does help. Never even though about VHS being a format. :p -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

RE: DBZ AfDs

Out of curiosity, Collectonian, why didn't you or Sesshomaru leave any notifications at Talk:List of Dragon Ball characters, where all the discussion was taking place? GlassCobra 18:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

I didn't nominate any articles for deletion, so why are you also pointing the finger at me? And if you noticed, User:JJJ999 already left a note at that talk page. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 18:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Fair enough, apologies for dragging you into this, Sesshomaru. And yes, JJJ999 did leave a note there, but much much after the fact. As in, several days. GlassCobra 18:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Because there is no obligation to do so, what so ever, and I would presume that the editors who so vehemently argued against the merges would have had the articles on their watchlists considering they went and reverted them all. All of the AfDs were also posted to the public and highly viewed Anime and manga project deletion list. Also you may note that JJJ999 was the one who initially demanded that the merged items be taken to AfD because he felt talk page consensus for merges was worthless. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
As you are an admin, I'd like to ask you to please either do something about JJJ999's continuing unfounded and vicious personal attacks and accusations of collusion, sneakiness, etc, or please advise as to where to report this. He is now repeating his false attacks in the Cell AfD and I'm getting really tired of it. He's even attacking Sesshomaru now and another admin (Sephiroth BCR) with such out right lies. It breaks all lines of WP:AGF and WP:CIVILITY and I'm shocked that he's been allowed to continue to get away with it. Far more experienced and productive editors have been warned for much less, yet he gets to do this for weeks? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Karakuridôji Ultimo article

I created a new Karakuridôji Ultimo article. It still has a few issues, etc. But so far i'm thinking it looks pretty good. : ) Do you want to help? — J U M P G U R U TALK 23:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello? — J U M P G U R U TALK 00:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with that work at all, unfortunately. I can do MoS fixes once the info is there, but I'm curious as to how it meets WP:BK for notability? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
LOL. : ) The manga is created by former Marvel chairman Stan Lee and Shaman King creator Hiroyuki Takei. It is considered on of the most important manga in Jump history. : ) — J U M P G U R U TALK 01:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
The creator doesn't really make it notable though :P Who says it is one of the most important manga in the magazine's history (and, outside of the magazine?) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I updated a few things there. I have a question about the nihongo:

Karakuridôji Ultimo (機巧童子ウルテイモ, Karakuri Dōji Uruteimo, literally: "Robot Child: Ultimo")

Shouldn't it be written like this:

Karakuridôji Ultimo (機巧童子ウルテイモ, Karakuri Dōji Uruteimo, lit. "Robot Child: Ultimo") or simply Ultimo

Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 02:30, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Where does the "or simply Ultimo" from from? Is that how its primarily referred to, or just a short nickname used casually? If the later, I'd think it wouldn'tneed to be at all. For the lit, yes, I think it is supposed to be shortened. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:32, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Something like that. In all the recent interviews I've seen with Stan Lee, he refers to it as "Ultimo". Not sure about the other guy though. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 02:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
I wasn't very clear on that. ^_- That's how it is commonly reffered to by Stan and Viz. Sorry for the confusion. — J U M P G U R U TALK 03:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Is "Karakuridôji Ultimo" the official Viz title? Just want to make sure. Lord Sesshomaru (talkedits) 03:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it is. Viz uses a circumflex for the "o". — J U M P G U R U TALK 03:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Just to clarify...this is a single chapter story? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
It will be created into a full series in Jump SQ. Ultimo also has millions of sources, which makes it easy to write the article. : ) — J U M P G U R U TALK 04:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Alrighty. I've done some MoS and grammar fixes to the article. Here is another source[1]. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Dragon Ball merges: Episode 2, the attack of...(wait, how was it named?)

Now they called another group to see what should happen. I wonder what will happen? By the way, should now full dates be linked? Im a bit confused.Tintor2 (talk) 00:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

Yep...seems like they will never be satisfied with a merge closing, so now they are attacking the AfDs because they aren't going their way either. And no, full dates should no longer be linked per the updated Date MoS to stop the majority of the date auto formatting. This includes in the prose and the tables...I haven't found a good answer about the infoboxes yet though. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
It's not so much attacking the AFDs as attacking the AFDers. Ad hominem attacks are good arguments I heard. Suigetsu 02:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
True, though it seems like they are doing both. The AfDs both seem to be going to merge, IMHO, so now they seek to invalidate them by attacking the nominators. *sigh* -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
We should really merge them soon, since there obviously isn't a single valid argument for keeping the articles regardless of what the fanboys whine about. Suigetsu 02:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Actually they all already were merged, but the complainers undid all three merges, then went on the attack on the talk page. When the AfDs are done and, presuming they close as merge, they each have links to the merged versions for easy remerging. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Goddamnit. Suigetsu 02:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
Suigetsu, be considerate of what Collectonian wrote at the top of this page. What you just wrote sounded very rude, also notice how she didn't respond to you. While you're at it, also try not to be so vulgar here on Wikipedia, as some of the vulgraty can be offensive to some users. Not so much to me, but just keep that in mind. : ) — J U M P G U R U TALK 00:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Its okay, I understand his frustration with the mess going on over there. I just didn't reply because that pretty much said it all :P -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Oh, sorry. :nP I'm a hickalope. — J U M P G U R U TALK 01:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
hickalope? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
LOL. Hickalope. It's a running joke with my cousins, along with "I'm a dorkfish!". — J U M P G U R U TALK 01:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

RE:Timmy Martin

I left a note on her talk page. One for you; even if you may be backed by policy in a matter, you're still not allowed to edit war. Since this is a content dispute, you can't just plainly revert edits as vandalism. Next time, come get me so that we can settle this before you guys make 50 revisions each, ok? :) Thanks, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 05:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Will do. This is why I gave up editing most of the Lassie articles awhile back. *sigh* Too much drama, even if I do love the series and want to see it have pretty FA stars beside its name. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
You don't have to give up; just a bit less conflict would be great. :D Anyway, do you think you can figure this out with Lassie or do you want me to moderate and help you guys reach a decision? Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 05:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Abandoning them to their sad state is less stressful than dealing with her, as she seems determind to reject anything I do. I firmly believe this article (as well as the series article) could be fairly quickly and easily taken to GA and/or FA with some work, so I'm finding it very frustrating dealing with this kind of thing. The show has a ton of sources, and yet both are start class, and I honestly feel it is because the whole thing is "controlled" by a single fan who chases away other editors, including those experienced in the topic. When I took on editing Meerkat Manor, it was primarily "controlled" by some minor fans (uh, minor as in age not lessor importance), and they were far more receptive to discussing and actually learning from more experienced editors than ItsLassieTime seems to be. As someone who wrestled what was once a very badly done single lengthy fancruft piece into a featured article, two featured lists, a good article, and a featured topic, it is hard for me to deal with her complete lack of respect for other editors and her total disregard for many guidelines, policies, and other editor's experience.
You may notice from her talk page that after my nominating Ruth and Paul Martin's articles for AfD, she went on a pointy spree of AfDing obviously notable character articles.[2] We went through stuff over and over on the series page, though then she acted fairly polite at first and eager to learn, but I finally just walked away rather than deal with that kind of thing over and over. Anyway, I've asked for an opinion from the TV project on which version is "best practices" for this article. Some moderation would be good, though, as I do still at least edit the Lassie articles and would like to not have to worry about her coming behind and reverting everything I do simply because she doesn't like me anymore. Kinda sad if ya think about it, considering I was the one who welcomed her here and praised her earlier edits. No good deed and all that...-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
I realize it may be hard to stay civil, but I find that the number one cause of these matters spiraling downwards is that people lose sight of what they're actually discussing and just begin a torrent of ad-hominem attacks or berate the other editor(s) for what they did that is perceived wrong, etc. I know it may be hard to try to keep working with someone who isn't exactly reciprocating, but hopefully Lassie will respond on my talk page and you guys can handle this just fine.
Thanks for keeping your cool (for the most part :P) up 'til now! Cheers, Master of Puppets Call me MoP! :) 01:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Trinity Blood

The characters do exist. You can see them in many official pieces of art featuring the RCO and they are in the novels. You already know about Susann, amd Guderian is in ROM, but the book hasn't been released in America yet. Nothing I put was spam and I did not destroy the article. I simply added two secondary characters who fill out the remainder of the RCO's roster. The Trinity Blood series doesn't have that many notable characters (or many characters at all), but these characters are just as notable as some of the others on this page. I only ask that you let off this reversion thing only a little bit and stop reverting even the addition of a few sentences. It appears really controlling.74.193.217.105 (talk) 06:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

And so that you know since you haven't noticed miss: Most of that list page is unsourced!74.193.217.105 (talk) 06:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I didn't say the characters don't exist, but that they seem pretty minor. The list probably has more on the page that need to go because folks just basically added all of the characters from all three versions, though we've culled others before per the talk page. I've removed Wendy and Peter (as I agree with you there). And yes, I know most of the list is unsourced...its still a work in progress since the novels are last to be released but the primary work. If you want to readd, I won't revert again. The whole list will basically be rebuilt from the ground up anyway when all of the novels are available. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 06:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Ok then, I'll readd it. And Believe me: I am here to help and I understand how you feel. I don't think you are a bad person or editor, it is just discouraging to have even the edition of a word or pargraph reverted at the drop of the hat.74.193.217.105 (talk) 06:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks and no problem. I mostly am just trying to keep out the excess stuff, ya know (and I'll admit, the first time you added it, I was like "eh? a werewolf??" :P). If you could put in some notes (either as hidden comments or as basic refs) noting which novel they are in, it would be helpful for later. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 06:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
What could help would be to add the official picture/roster of the RCO. I will see if I could add it later. We need a picture for them anyway74.193.217.105 (talk) 06:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
A single official image of the RCO would be very helpful! If you can find one, though, I believe Wikipedia is set up such that you'd have to register before it will let you upload it (or if you don't want to reigster, you can leave me a note with the link to it and I can can upload). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 07:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Cell (Dragon Ball)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Cell (Dragon Ball). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. -- Suntag 08:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Triple crown awards

Just making a note that you qualify for one of User:Durova's triple crown awards, namely the imperial triple crown (2-4 DYK/GA/FC). Feel free to nominate yourself at WP:CROWN/NOM. Cheers, — sephiroth bcr (converse) 08:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Oh cool! Thanks :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Man, if I had just one more GA, I could go for Imperial Napoleonic triple crown *grin* Alas, my current most likely candidate needs a copy editing. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Infobox links

Hello, I am thinking about going ahead and requesting the change to {{Film}} to remove the external links based on the community discussion. I would like to make sure that this does not deprive articles of links to IMDb, AMG, or the official site. Do you have any suggestions about setting up a bot or some kind of method to go through with this? —Erik (talkcontrib) - 16:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm...I'm guessing a decent bot editor could whip up something fairly quickly. The anime and manga project did a bunch of changes to some of our infoboxes recently, but I think a single editor just went through and changed all the articles using AWB. There is a page there where one can request tasks be done. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Spamming

I did resent being accused of spamming, though, even if you were joking. :-( --GentlemanGhost (talk) 19:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

When a redlink user adds an external link to a guideline page like that, spam tends to be my first thought. Didn't realize at first that you were an active editor. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Heh. Yeah, I get more than a few askance glances because I haven't bothered to create a user page. I guess I feel that it isn't that important who I am, I'm just here to edit. Anyway, no harm done. Thanks for responding. Cheers, GentlemanGhost (talk) 19:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
No worries...you aren't the first to be here for ages and make one. Then I see some just make one that's blank to get rid of the red LOL. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Unmerge discussion

Is this like an early April Fool's joke? I feel like we're on Candid Camera or something. Suigetsu 00:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

I wish. This guy is being total rabid. I suspect that unless an admin steps in and makes him, he is going to just keep restarting the discussion over and over and over until everyone gets sick of it and he drives all editors away so he can do whatever he likes. Either way, this is annoying and disruptive. No real work is going on with the list now because of all this mess.-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Would it be insane to open up an RfA for this? (arbitration, not adminship) Suigetsu 00:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Not sure...they are two requests for mediation now on the Cell and Tien S. merges. *sigh* I'd say a RfC/U, but those are pretty useless. Maybe the information arbitration, as I don't think they will take a full arbitration unless the rest have been done? I think something should be done, though. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Also, why are admins like DGG and GlassCobra supposedly supporting the articles and opposing the merges, or is that just a concoction by JJJ? Suigetsu 00:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Its mostly a concoction. They did both feel there was no clear consensus to merge on the Cell and Tien Shinhan discussions, which led to their being unmerged and taken to AfD instead. DGG has expressed no opinion on either article on the list page, while GlassCobra did note he supported keeping Cell separate and has been part of the discussion regarding what to do with Trunks and Future Trunks. JJJ999 however, has decided that this all means that the admins "yelled" at anyone who opposed the merges (false) and would help him save the articles (also false, both are fair admins who can put aside their own points of view to accepted a wider consensus). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Our vectors cannot handle stupidity of this magnitude, chief. Suigetsu 01:12, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm amused that after the pages of personal attacks and out right nastiness he has displayed, he is calling you rude. *eye roll* -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
In addition to that, I'm surprised that he thinks it holds any weight. I mean, around here, saying I'm rude is like saying that water is blue. /facepalm. Suigetsu 01:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I'm getting tired of this... I'm seriously having to restrain myself from going apeshit on this guy. Can you take over the debates for a minute while I have some water, or something to take my mind off of what is probably the biggest hit to my faith in humanity since Janet Jackson's Super Bowl flash? Suigetsu 02:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I suspect that until an admin actually puts their foot down, he will just keep up with the personal attacks. I'm rather disappointed that for a discussion with at least 3 admins, no one has done so yet. For the most part, I'm just trying to ignore him at this point and barely even read what he writes. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Saga Breakdown fix

I've been trying to fix the saga breakdown. The Namek saga is missing from the context. Can you help me insert it...the Namek saga ends in "Goku...Super Saiyan" and Captain Ginyu saga starts from the episode "Ginyu Assault". - Zarbon (talk) 02:09, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

The saga is not missing. Funimation does not include it in its list of sagas, hence it not being there. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:11, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
You're wrong. Actually, Funimation DOES include it. Did you manage to buy the season 2 DVD set? You'd see on it, it says "The complete NAMEK and Captain Ginyu Sagas". The Namek saga is not a part of the Captain Ginyu Saga. Please take note of this. I'd stake my life on it. Do I HAVE to show you the actual capture of the DVD BOX released by Funimation to prove this to you? Because NEVER EVER were "Zarbon Transformed" and "Escape from Dodoria" a part of the "Captain Ginyu Saga". - Zarbon (talk) 02:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
yeah, Funimation released a Namek saga box set. Suigetsu 02:20, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Look at the official Dragon Ball Z page from Funimation. They do not have the Namek saga listed. A reliable source is needed to say the Funimation page is wrong. Looking at the covers of the official DVDs, I see no mention of Saga's at all, it uses season divisions instead. Was that an older DVD release? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:22, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

You're being foolish. The site has not yet been updated for the past year. It's still missing information from all the sagas. You shouldn't rely on the website, they are still missing lots of information there. Here's your ACTUAL PROOF: http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/01/ciu/d7/ce/39e0eb6709a003409ba13110.L.jpg - Zarbon (talk) 02:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Erm, although I begrudgingly agree with you, the "foolish" comment was uncalled for. In the future, remain WP:CIVIL. Suigetsu 02:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
There is no reason to insult me here. The back does indeed say that, but does it say where the division is? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
My pleasure. I didn't mean to insult at all. By foolish I meant that my edit was dismissed almost immediately without looking into the actual item. No offence, alright. Here's the actual amazon listing as you requested. Just check the images of the boxart for your convenience. The Funimation website is delayed with much of its data and is lacking with too much to name. http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000MTOM8A/ref=cm_cmu_pg__header - Zarbon (talk) 02:30, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
The episode break comes from "Ginyu Assault" starting the Captain Ginyu Saga. It was only 7 episodes. - Zarbon (talk) 02:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
I've restored your edits. Thanks for providing the source for that. Where does Namek start? You said its only seven episodes, but the division you put in gives it 27? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:32, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Namek is not 7. Captain Ginyu Saga is 7. I said Namek is much longer my dear comrade. Namek starts at Friends or Foes...and ends at Legend Revealed a.k.a. Goku...Super Saiyan. - Zarbon (talk) 02:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Okay...you said It was only seven, I presumed you meant Namek. Gotcha. Thanks. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome mate. Cheers. :] - Zarbon (talk) 02:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Trunks vs F. Trunks

There is some confusion regarding the sections. I placed your comments and all others in a section at the end of the page, as a "new" section. Hope you don't mind it. --LoЯd ۞pεth 04:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Actually, you moved some of comments to totally different sections :P I undid then redid it per what you just said here. Is that what you meant to do? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:14, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Warning

Please stop making test edits to Wikipedia. It is considered vandalism, which, under Wikipedia policy, can lead to being blocked from editing. If you would like to experiment again, please use your sandbox. --Tree 'uns 5 (talk) 13:59, 10 October 2008 (UTC)