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'''Mike Lalor''' (born [[March 8]], 1963 in [[Fort Erie, Ontario|Fort Erie]], [[Ontario]]) was a [[Canada|Canadian]] [[professional]] [[ice hockey]] [[Defenceman (ice hockey)|defenceman]].Mike played in the [[National Hockey League|NHL]] with the [[Montreal Canadiens]], [[St. Louis Blues (hockey)|St. Louis Blues]], [[Washington Capitals]], [[Winnipeg Jets]], [[San Jose Sharks]], and [[Dallas Stars]].  He won a [[Stanley Cup]] with the 1986 Canadiens. Mike is one of only 20 players to score a double hatrick in a game. ( 6 goals)
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== Oxford Seasons ==


[[de:Mike Lalor]]
Thanks for the comment. I don't know why FCHD is a reliable source, but the first two seasons articles that are FLC that i have just looked at (York and Gillingham) both included it. Rage Online isn't reliale and i will try to phase that out with TwentiethApril's help. [[User:Eddie6705|Eddie6705]] ([[User talk:Eddie6705|talk]])#

== Thanks ==

{{User:Killervogel5/FLCThanks}}

== Reliability ==

Are these sources reliable?
*http://www.contactmusic.com/
*http://www.mvdbase.com/
*http://www.about.com/
Thank you. --[[User:Efe|Efe]] ([[User talk:Efe|talk]]) 03:28, 9 September 2008 (UTC)
:By the way, it is being discussed here: [[Talk:Some Girls (Rachel Stevens song)/GA1]]. --[[User:Efe|Efe]] ([[User talk:Efe|talk]]) 12:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

:: Sorry, Efe, I'm on the road and in Texas and trying to get things arranged at the ranch I'm at in time for Ike to come visit. I'll try to get to this this weekend. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 20:08, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
::: It's fine. I'll wait. --[[User:Efe|Efe]] ([[User talk:Efe|talk]]) 06:56, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
:::: Hello Ealdgyth. I tried to ask Sandy. I think you're still busy. Thanks by the way. --[[User:Efe|Efe]] ([[User talk:Efe|talk]]) 05:33, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

On contact music: [http://www.contactmusic.com/new/home.nsf/webpages/writeforus this] is thier submission guidelines. I think it would be reliable enough for a review, if what you were quoting was the review itself, not for general facts. On mvdbase, note at the bottom of the page it says "is produced and maintained by Alex S. Garcia" which leads me to believe its is a personal/fan site. [http://www.mvdbase.com/index.php?page=letter This] is their submission guidelines, which basically tell me they aren't very picky. Nothing at all about fact checking on there. About.com is covered here: [[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 16#Huffington Post.2C_Gawker_and_About.com]]. Sorry it took a bit of time to get back to you, life has been REALLY hectic. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 11:32, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
:I replied to Sandy's page. Thank you Ealdgyth. --[[User:Efe|Efe]] ([[User talk:Efe|talk]]) 09:25, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Bad Blood (2003)/archive1|Bad Blood Peer Review]] ==

Is it possible to comment on the sources on the above peer review? Thanks.--'''''[[User:SRX|<font color="black">S</font></font>]]<sub>[[User talk:SRX|<font color="orange">R</font>]]</sub>[[User:SRX/Guestbook|<font color="black">X</font></font>]]''''' 22:50, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks so much for your time, I completed your tasks.--'''''[[User:SRX|<font color="black">S</font></font>]]<sub>[[User talk:SRX|<font color="orange">R</font>]]</sub>[[User:SRX/Guestbook|<font color="black">X</font></font>]]''''' 20:37, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Little Miss Sunshine|LMS FAC]] ==

I know you are busy, so please take a look at this whenever you are free. [[User:Steve|Steve]], one of the reviewers of the nomination, has provided rationales for the five remaining external links that were not confirmed as reliable in the first FAC. I was wondering if you could look over the rationales and determine if the links are now deemed reliable. Thanks again for your help, you really helped to improve the quality of the article. --[[User:Nehrams2020|Nehrams2020]] ([[User talk:Nehrams2020|talk]]) 23:01, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
: I should be able to get to this Monday morning. I'm busy with an art fair and Monday looks like the best chance of me being free. That work? [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 23:04, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
::Of course, whenever it's convenient for you. --[[User:Nehrams2020|Nehrams2020]] ([[User talk:Nehrams2020|talk]]) 01:02, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

== Verifying the foundations of an old bridge ==

Hi, Ealdgyth! It is me again. This time, I would like to pre-FAC check on the sources I used for [[Niagara Falls Suspension Bridge]]. It is mostly books (published sources), so I think it mostly should be fine (but just to be safe). If you have the time to go through the article and leave comments at [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Niagara Falls Suspension Bridge/archive1]], that would be real super! Thank you. [[User:Jappalang|Jappalang]] ([[User talk:Jappalang|talk]]) 00:41, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
: Monday work for you? I really should be doing REAL work not goofing off on Sandy's page... [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 00:48, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:: Anytime within the following two weeks should be fine. It is under peer review now, and Dabomb87 has been finding several prose issues, so the article would not be going to FAC quickly... (but I hope for it to be in tip-top shape when the time comes for nomination). [[User:Jappalang|Jappalang]] ([[User talk:Jappalang|talk]]) 04:49, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Barbera FAC ==

This link is dead: [http://insidepulse.com/article_v3.php?contentid=63600 dealinks] and I don't understand what I'm supposed to do with it. <span style="font-family: verdana;"> — [[User:Rlevse|<span style="color:#060;">'''''R''levse'''</span>]] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|<span style="color:#990;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 13:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

: If its just an external link, you can cut it since it's dead now. Or you can try to find out where the page has moved on the site. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 13:08, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::AH, you meant deaDllinks, you wrote dealinks, so I at first didn't get it. Yes I know what to with deadlinks. <span style="font-family: verdana;"> — [[User:Rlevse|<span style="color:#060;">'''''R''levse'''</span>]] • [[User_talk:Rlevse|<span style="color:#990;">Talk</span>]] • </span> 13:15, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::: Heh. Typos for the win, I blame my lack of caffeine. Sorry about that. It's morning, my fingers don't always type that hot this early. I swear the edit box needs a spell checker... [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 13:18, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

== Horse ==

I'm a little confused... There are so many discussions going on in so many locations (see the GAN talk page for another one, if you don't have that watchlisted) that I can't keep everything straight. On Sandy's page the consensus seems to be that we should re-GAN it, on the article talk page people seem to want to either GAR it or take it straight to FAC, and Una seems to be trying to stir up trouble on the GAN talk page by accusing us of trying to "dictate who may review an article", which may end up with a bunch more comments by various people on various pages.

What are your thoughts? I'd really like to get this article to GA status before we go to FAC, but if this doesn't seem to be possible, then we should probably go ahead with the peer review and take it to FAC. I've made a new post on the talk page discussing the proposed layout changes, with my proposal, so we'll see what happens with that. I'm in favor of either re-GA noming it and taking Malleus up on his proposal to review, or taking it to GAR, although that could be a bit of a circus.

Let me know what you think and I'll go through the proper procedure this afternoon. [[User:Dana boomer|Dana boomer]] ([[User talk:Dana boomer|talk]]) 13:10, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

: I vote GAR, simply because I think it's an important point to establish that you don't review articles written (even if not nommed by) people you've had several disputes with in the past. But it's your choice, I'm mainly on the sidelines. I tried to bring in outside folks who are familiar with GA/FA to give outside opinions, and hopefully that helps. I'm fine with reorging the article, I don't think we should pare it to the level Una thinks, nor do I think that's a valid choice at GAN, either. I could see putting the pure taxonomy stuff at [[Equus caballus]], but I'm not really in favor of making Domestic horse the main article, I prefer it stay at Horse, where folks will look for it. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 13:20, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

:: I completely agree with your points on paring the article and the Horse/Domestic horse suggestion. Honestly, there's not that much taxonomy stuff in the article, and so I don't really think it needs to be moved, although I could be swayed in this opinion. I've got a few minutes, so I'll put the article up for GAR right now. I'll be heading to class soon though, so hopefully nothing blows up in my absence as a result of the GAR :) I'll be back this afternoon to check... [[User:Dana boomer|Dana boomer]] ([[User talk:Dana boomer|talk]]) 13:28, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

::: Heh. Who thought this would end up blowing up like this? I certainly didn't. Luckily, I'm home until mid-November, so hopefully we can crank out some horse articles in the next two months! [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 13:31, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

:::: Hmmm...actually, upon reading the criteria for GAR, which include:
::::# If you disagree with a delisting or failed nomination, read the review first. If you can fix the concerns, find them unreasonable, or the review inadequate, it is usually best to renominate the article at Wikipedia:Good article nominations, rather than requesting a community reassessment: there is no minimum time limit between nominations!
::::# It is rarely helpful to request a community reassessment for an article which has not had a proper review: simply renominate it.
::::I think we may just want to renom it. Then possibly drop Malleus a note taking him up on his offer to re-review? [[User:Dana boomer|Dana boomer]] ([[User talk:Dana boomer|talk]]) 13:34, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

::::: Up to you, you're the nominator! (grins) [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 13:35, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

:::::: LOL, thaaaaankkkksss, put me out in front of the firing squad, why don't you :) Just kidding, I don't really mind, and since Malleus has agreed to do the review, it should go better this time. Thanks for your opinion. [[User:Dana boomer|Dana boomer]] ([[User talk:Dana boomer|talk]]) 13:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

:::::::::Hi all. 1) Equus Caballus redirects to horse, but see [[Equidae]] for the taxonomy stuff. 2) I say get GA before FA 3) Horses are, other than about 500 Prewalski's, ALL domesticated horses. We have [[wild horse]], [[feral horse]], [[Przewalski's horse]] and [[Tarpan]] for the rest. 4) I really find the taxonomy stuff rather annoying, I think it is boring and should not be leading the article. That said, if it's a deal-breaker, OK, what the #%@$! but I think readability and accessibility for the most likely audience (fourth- through sixth- grade girls) has something to be said for it too. All for now, catch ya later. [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 23:47, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

== Sources check ==

Can you check the sources for [[No Way Out (2004)]] on it's [[Wikipedia:Peer review/No Way Out (2004)/archive2|peer review]]? Thanks.--'''''[[User:SRX|<font color="black">S</font></font>]]<sub>[[User talk:SRX|<font color="orange">R</font>]]</sub>[[User:SRX/Guestbook|<font color="black">X</font></font>]]''''' 02:23, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Stigand TFA ==

Hi Ealdgyth, please let me know if there is anything I can do to help get it ready for TFA (and congrats!) [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub><font color="green">&gt;&lt;&gt;</font></sub><small>&deg;</small><sup><small>&deg;</small></sup>]]''' 04:30, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
: Shouldn't be, the article hasn't had that much change since it was promoted. Just need eyes on its day in the vandal eyesight... I'm going to add a bit from a new book I JUST got, but I don't think it'll be that much, most of the information is covered already. I can't say I'm completely excited... I dread the time spent fighting vandals... (I help out by watching [[Sparta]], that's no fun!) [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 13:20, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::It is on my watchlist and I will keep an extra eye on it when it is TFA. I thought it looked fine, but wanted to see if I could help in any way. [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub><font color="green">&gt;&lt;&gt;</font></sub><small>&deg;</small><sup><small>&deg;</small></sup>]]''' 16:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::: If you want to check over my additions for prose flow, that'd be great. Mostly just small tidbits, another quote about Stigand's artistic patronage, and some filling in of background. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 17:15, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

You might be amused: Stigand got a little extra exposure for [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hillary_Rodham_Clinton&diff=prev&oldid=241276351 48 minutes]. [[User_talk:Gimmetrow|''Gimmetrow'']] 16:36, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

== Dear Ealdgyth ==

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It's much appreciated, Graham. [[User:GrahamColm|Graham <font color="blue">Colm</font>]] [[User talk:GrahamColm|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 13:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC) <font face="Verdana">
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== Horses for courses... ==

I wouldn't worry about GAR; there is plenty of good feedback coming now to work on, and it all gets the article closer to FAC anyway..Cheers, [[User:Casliber|Casliber]] ([[User talk:Casliber|talk]] '''·''' [[Special:Contributions/Casliber|contribs]]) 01:06, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
: GA was more a step to get feedback and see what happens. We weren't exactly expecting a quick fail, given that there are three pretty dedicated editors who can and do get things fixed fast when we want to. But, yeah, PR is probably an option soon. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 01:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::Chanced upon this conversation & I looked over the article. Everything seems good, but the one thing you need to fix is size - the article is waay too big. Me and Cas had the same problem with [[Vampire]], but left it too late IMHO when the FAC was underway, and it was a big rush/hash/hassle to select text to move to subpages. Don't leave it that long; start chopping now and even consider just leaving the bare essentials of each topic. You'll thank yourself later on when the article comes to FAC and you don't have to make such major changes. Otherwise, the article seems well-referenced and topical - although I did just quickly skim through. Cheers, [[User:Spawn Man|Spawn Man]] ([[User talk:Spawn Man|talk]]) 03:21, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
:Dr pda is 8400 words for [[Horse]], within [[WP:SIZE]] 10,000 guideline. [[Sheep]], 10,000 words for comparison. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 04:37, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
::I was talking about page size: "''Readers may tire of reading a page much longer than about 6,000 to 10,000 words, which roughly corresponds to 30 to 50 KB of readable prose.''" Currently Horse is over 100KB, and people said Vampire, which was 80KB was too long, regardless of word space. Cheers, [[User:Spawn Man|Spawn Man]] ([[User talk:Spawn Man|talk]]) 02:20, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::The 30 to 50 KB is ''readable prose''. The 100KB of the horse article is ''total length'', which includes references, hidden comments, images, infoboxes, etc. The readable prose of the Horse article is just over 48KB, which is on the upper range, but still within the guidelines. [[User:Dana boomer|Dana boomer]] ([[User talk:Dana boomer|talk]]) 12:34, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Ya, I know readable prose. I'm talking about total length and my personal experience with vampire... Nevermind then... [[User:Spawn Man|Spawn Man]] ([[User talk:Spawn Man|talk]]) 06:56, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Um, check horse talk page. I'm TRYING to stay out of the discussion. Please...? [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 22:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::::: You're fine. I replied, again, and because she favors one layout does not mean that we will necessarily follow that. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 22:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Okies. But note [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Good_article_nominations#GA_review_of_Horse this also]. I added a short response and will need to go offline for a while, now. I will try to be good and not say more for now. [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 23:33, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Germanium FAC ==

Sorry! --[[User:Stone|Stone]] ([[User talk:Stone|talk]]) 15:58, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== FAC visit ==

As far as I can tell, no one has reliably reviewed sources at [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Legal disputes over Harry Potter]]. ON the other hand, some of these FACs lately are so messy I could have missed it. Every FAC regular should have to read through all 50 messes someday and think about how they might better keep their FACs on track and readable. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 18:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
: David got it up towards the top of the page. I did do a looksee at this one at PR also... [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 18:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:: Never mind; I see Awadewit reviewed them after all. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 19:13, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== List of Paul Kelly awards at FLC ==

At [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Paul Kelly awards|List of Paul Kelly awards FLC]], you've accepted the reliability of all but one queried reference: mvdbase.com

Whilst I believe it is reliable and gave a rationale for its reliability, I decided to use another ARIA ref as the primary reference for the claim that Claudia Castle directed the award winning video for "To Her Door". The mvdbase.com ref now acts as a secondary ref for Castle being the director. I hope this is acceptable for this article and will not stand in the way of it achieving FL.[[User:Shaidar cuebiyar|Shaidar cuebiyar]] ([[User talk:Shaidar cuebiyar|talk]]) 09:37, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

== [[Quark]] ==

I've attended to every citation issue you raised. Just thought I'd give you a heads up in case there was anything else. Best, &mdash;<strong>[[User:Anonymous Dissident|<span style="font-family:Script MT Bold;color:DarkRed">Anonymous Dissident</span>]]</strong>[[User_talk:Anonymous Dissident|<sup><span style="font-family:Verdana;color:Gray">Talk</span></sup>]] 14:05, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
: I'm headed that way on my "morning rounds"... thanks! [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 14:11, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

== Real Madrid C.F. FAC ==

Hi Ealdgyth, your residual issues within [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Real Madrid C.F.|Real Madrid C.F. FAC]] have been resolved. Please check them as soon as you can. Thanks.--[[User:KSA13|KSA]]<sup>[[User talk:KSA13|13]]</sup> 08:31, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

== The usual RS check before FAC ==

Hey, if you have time could you look over the sources in [[Pilot (House)]] and respond on the talk page if you have any issues? Thanks, <font color="#cc6600">[[User:David Fuchs|Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs]]</font><sup> <nowiki>(</nowiki><small><font color="#993300">[[User talk:David Fuchs|talk]]</font></small><nowiki>)</nowiki></sup> 15:44, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

== My RfA ==

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== RE: Harry Potter FAC ==

Hi there,

Thank you for you comments on the Harry Potter FAC, I'll get right on them. I'm unsure of your first comment,

You've mixed using the Template:Citation with the templates that start with Cite such as Template:Cite journal or Template:Cite news. They shouldn't be mixed per WP:CITE#Citation templates. - could you explain further either on my [[User talk:Thehelpfulone|talk page]] or at the [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Harry Potter|FAC nomination]]?

Thanks,

[[User:Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''The'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Thehelpfulone|<font color="black"> '''Helpful'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<font color="red"> '''One'''</font>]] <sup>[[User:Thehelpfulone/Review|Review]]</sup> 19:50, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

:Hi there, I have completed all of your comments, the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Harry_Potter&action=history article history] shows what I have done. Thanks, [[User:Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''The'''</font>]] [[User_talk:Thehelpfulone|<font color="black"> '''Helpful'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<font color="red"> '''One'''</font>]] <sup>[[User:Thehelpfulone/Review|Review]]</sup> 11:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

::{{Done}} your other comments! :) [[User:Thehelpfulone|<font color="red">'''The'''</font>]][[User_talk:Thehelpfulone|<font color="black"> '''Helpful'''</font>]][[Special:Contributions/Thehelpfulone|<font color="red"> '''One'''</font>]] <sup>[[User:Thehelpfulone/Review|Review]]</sup> 14:36, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

== [[Roman Catholic Church]] ==

Hello, you are receiving this message because you voted in the last FAC for this article. Currently, it is undergoing a peer review and I invite you to come view the page and offer any suggestions for improvement here [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Roman_Catholic_Church/archive3]. Over the past three months, the page has been improved with additional scholarly works, trims, two new sections suggested in and attention to concerns raised during the last FAC. Thanks in advance for your time, attention and help to bring this important article to FA. [[User:NancyHeise|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#E75480">Nancy</font><font color="#960018">Heise</font></font>''']] <sup> [[User talk:NancyHeise#top|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#F6ADC6">talk</font></font>]]</sup> 00:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:I can tell that you spent a generous amount of time and effort to give us a thorough peer review and I want you to know that I am sincerely grateful for your help. I will be addressing your comments over time and I especially appreciate your help and suggestions for trimming. [[User:NancyHeise|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#E75480">Nancy</font><font color="#960018">Heise</font></font>''']] <sup> [[User talk:NancyHeise#top|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#F6ADC6">talk</font></font>]]</sup> 00:54, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

::Hi again, I have answered your first four comments but need some guidance before I go on. I have used the cite encyclopedia template but am not sure if it is supposed to look the way it does and am wondering if I have made a mistake somewhere. Can you take a look at refs 9 and 10 and let me know if they are in proper form? I also left a message for you on the peer review page under your fourth comment and would like to know what you think. Thanks again for your time. [[User:NancyHeise|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#E75480">Nancy</font><font color="#960018">Heise</font></font>''']] <sup> [[User talk:NancyHeise#top|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#F6ADC6">talk</font></font>]]</sup> 03:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Thank you for sorting that out for me, I have one more question relating to that same subject. Do I use the template in the Bibliography section only and put the reference that is in the body of the article in the same format as all my other references? That seems like a stupid question but I just want to make sure before I go and change all those refs. [[User:NancyHeise|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#E75480">Nancy</font><font color="#960018">Heise</font></font>''']] <sup> [[User talk:NancyHeise#top|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#F6ADC6">talk</font></font>]]</sup> 03:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

::: Already caught your queries. I've actually watchlisted the peer review (but not the RCC page) so I'll see queries as they come in and will be checking in there, so no need to drop me a note on my talk page everytime you have a question. I'll see them at the PR and will get to them as soon as I can. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 03:40, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::: Go ahead and format them like you would all the other book refs. (So... Wilkin "Christianity" ''Geography of Religion'' p#) If it helps you, check out [[Stigand]], which uses the Oxford Dictionary of National Biography (formatted as a {{tl|cite encyclopedia}} in the references and as a short note in the footnotes) which is an encyclopedia. That should help you with an example. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 03:42, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::I know I have already said it but I am very grateful for your help. Thanks.[[User:NancyHeise|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#E75480">Nancy</font><font color="#960018">Heise</font></font>''']] <sup> [[User talk:NancyHeise#top|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#F6ADC6">talk</font></font>]]</sup> 03:49, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== Peer review on Thomas ==

I saw that you'd made some edits at [[Thomas of Bayeux]]. I answered the request for a non-medievalist's peer review, and because [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Thomas of Bayeux/archive1]] doesn't show up on the talk page unless you look for it, I wanted to make sure you knew about it. [[User:JamesMLane|JamesMLane]]<small>&nbsp;[[User_talk:JamesMLane|t]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/JamesMLane|c]]</small> 21:22, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
: I've seen it, and it's on my list of things to do. My summer got very unexpectedly busy right after I put it up for PR, and it's been hanging around waiting for me to get to poor Thomas. He's on my radar to work on soon. I did very much appreciate the comments, they will be very very helpful. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 21:25, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks for your response. I almost never get involved in the PR/GA/FA stuff, so I'm not familiar with the process, and I was surprised to see that someone looking at the talk page wouldn't know about the PR except by clicking one of the "Show" links. I just wanted to make sure it hadn't vanished down the memory hole. BTW, after I did that PR, I surprised a friend of mine with the depth of my knowledge concerning the dispute over the primacy of Canterbury. :) [[User:JamesMLane|JamesMLane]]<small>&nbsp;[[User_talk:JamesMLane|t]]&nbsp;[[Special:Contributions/JamesMLane|c]]</small> 19:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::: For my sins, I know entirely too much about the GA/PR/FA process! And EVERYONE should know about the great York-Canterbury primacy fight... right? (In reality, I'm always vastly entertained by the whole spectacle... it dragged on and on and on... and some of the stories are great.) I'm glad you impressed a friend! [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 19:35, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== [[Epikleros]] ==

Hi, I saw you made a couple of minor edits to Epikleros today; just to let you know, I haven't forgotten my promise to help improve it :) I got a bunch of books out from the library just the other day, which I'm about to start reading through and taking notes from. I'll probably do my drafting offline, so it might be a while before any changes propagate to the article. [[User:Dr pda|Dr pda]] ([[User talk:Dr pda|talk]]) 07:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, they were mainly housekeeping edits, making sure the redirects don't multiply too badly, etc. I've still got it on my to do list also... just been really busy! [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 12:26, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
: And it's nice to know that no matter what length requirement we settle on at FAC, at 1600+ words, it's good to go... [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 13:25, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== RE: Footnotes ==

Yup, I caught your changes to Appaloosa and HiW on my watchlist run-through this morning. I like the changes, although I haven't totally figured out how the coding works (I probably just need to sit down and actually study it for a few minutes). Nice job...and thanks for all your help and hard work in getting Horse to GA! [[User:Dana boomer|Dana boomer]] ([[User talk:Dana boomer|talk]]) 19:45, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
: You can use it two ways... 1) which doesn't allow you to use a footnote on it, to do this you go <nowiki><ref name=blah>Blah<group=notes|/ref> (or something similar, I never use this since I always need footnotes)</nowiki>. 2) which allows you to add a source note is <nowiki>{{#tag:ref|(information)<ref>Sourcing</ref>|group=notes}}</nowiki>. I always use the later, since I can remember it, and it allows sourcing. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 19:51, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== Neat feature ==

I wanted to thank you for drawing attention to the ref group feature over at the FAC. While I haven't chimed in yet, I am very exited to learn of this feature in its own right. Could you tell me what template or page it is under, where the documentation for usage is located? I would love to get more acclimated with this tool. Thanks, [[User:Baccyak4H|Baccyak4H]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Baccyak4H|Yak!]]) 19:59, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
: Check out right above where I give the quick and dirty explanation on how it works. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 20:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::Thanks, I saw that. I was looking for more detail and not finding it in Template:tag, but have since found [[Wikipedia:Footnotes#Separating_reference_lists_and_explanatory_notes|this]] and [[Help:Magic_words#Formatting|this]]. Thanks again. [[User:Baccyak4H|Baccyak4H]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Baccyak4H|Yak!]]) 20:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

== One for your files ==

Lovely. One for you to bookmark for the next time the question comes up. I just saw this over at the mess on [[WP:MEDRS]]. The FA [[Baby Gender Mentor]] (you don't see my Support on it) uses this source: http://multiples.about.com/cs/medicalissues/a/vanishingtwin.htm The author's qualifications to write about medical topics (click on her link) are ... ta da ! She is the mother of twins ! Yea, About.com!! [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:01, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
: Oh, gods above. While you're at being superwoman today, can you convince my kitten to quit being psycotic? She's tearing around the house, driving us all nuts. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 21:17, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::See, Ealdgyth, you can now write about.com articles on cat psychology and then cite them in WP articles. I will write the ones on potty training and the most effective way to bribe toddlers (unless Maralia wants them). Sandy's probably too busy to write articles on anything right now. [[User:Karanacs|Karanacs]] ([[User talk:Karanacs|talk]]) 21:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::: Heh. Can I do horse psychology too? (Spent the morning with the farrier and the horsies... fun was had by all). [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 21:22, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Even about.com might refuse to let ''me'' write about potty training :/ [[User:Maralia|Maralia]] ([[User talk:Maralia|talk]]) 21:27, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::: Imagine my house: I'm laughing at my computer screen and my husband keeps saying, "What?" "What?" What should I tell him? Well, I told a friend about a reliable source and she answered about a psychotic kitten ... [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:30, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::: [http://www.amazon.com/Princess-Potty-Aladdin-Picture-Books/dp/0689822537 Best book ever;] I even saved it. Still have it! [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:31, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::: LOL. Really though, how am I supposed to work on poor [[Robert of Jumièges]] when I am playing superhighway for a kitten???? [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 21:32, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Wait, is the psychotic cat potty-trained? [[User:Maralia|Maralia]] ([[User talk:Maralia|talk]]) 21:33, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::: Surely you can find a quarter tab of [[Risperdal]] laying around somewhere? [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:34, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::: Children's Benadryl makes dogs sleepy...surely it works on kitties too (it unfortunately makes toddlers hyper, though)? And Maralia, my secret to potty training is buy [[Elmo]] underwear, put it someplace conspicuous, and wait 6-9 months for your toddler to decide it's time to wear them. <small>That, and bribe said toddler with a "big kid bike" which unfortunately will not work if the rider wears diapers. Toddlers believe anything.</small> [[User:Karanacs|Karanacs]] ([[User talk:Karanacs|talk]]) 21:39, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::: All of these drugging suggestions assume I can CATCH said kitten/lightning bolt. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 21:48, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::: It sounds to me like you need to invest in some mice. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 21:58, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Anyone want to check my tack room? Ever since my parents adopted our barn cat, I think I have a ready supply! [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 05:41, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

== Checkin' sources ==

Heya. I'm thinking about helping you out with the really dull and tedious task of checking links. Partly because I should get off my fat butt and do something, but also because I don't ever think there should be one person to interpret the rules of anything. That's no knock to you - I think you're doing a fine job, but it's more of a personal philosophy of the benefits of checks and balances. At any rate, for giggles and grins, I was looking at [[Virginia]], which at first glance seems to be chock full of reliable sources, but they are almost all web-based and very general ones at that. There must be volumes of print information about the history of Virginia as the birthplace of American republic democracy, issues of slavery, and all sorts of good stuff. What kind of commentary do you make about the quality of sources that ''could be'' used? Is this an issue that is still being explored?

In a recent GA review of [[Martin Luther King, Jr.]], the article used Google Books sources (as does Virginia) as well as replicating information I had written in [[Birmingham campaign]]. I don't think it's a good idea at all to copy the lead from Birmingham campaign for King's article, but I'm having similar difficulty with the reliance on the scanning of information in Google Books when the actual books are much better to use. I recognize my own preference for print sources, but is that a standard to which I should hold all editors who come to FAC? Is this more of a question that should be asked at FAC? --[[User:Moni3|Moni3]] ([[User talk:Moni3|talk]]) 13:31, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

: Welcome to my world. Look at the old FAC for [[Virginia]] and you'll see that I ripped the thing to bits, as I recall. I have to step out for a bit, but I'll try to answer you in more depth when I get back. It basically boils down to I will point out that they probably aren't accessing the best sources, and that using Google books snippets gives you issues with not getting the full context, but it's not an easy fight to win, lots of folks think you should NOT use printed sources because you can't "verify" them. Of course, you can't "verify" any information on a web page either, if it doesn't give it's sources... [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 13:37, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
: To expand some, there is definitely resistance to going with printed sources over web sources. And lots of folks seem to think that because you can read a snippet on Google books, that that is as good as using the whole work. As far as specifics, I generally will post a note that an article relies mostly on internet sources, but unfortunately, there isn't much that can be done other than that if the sources are reliable enough. Some help from other reviewers would be beneficial, if more people were willing to step up and say "You should investigate other sources, including print ones" (like you've done) the culture might change more. Let's let the whole "Short Article" controversy fade out before we add another one to FAC (grins). [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 15:01, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::I'm trying to help fight this war whenever I run across it. To me, it is an automatic oppose on comprehensiveness grounds if a user does not consult print sources when they are available. They have no way of knowing if they've actually gotten all the information they should have and put the article at a disadvantage. [[User:Karanacs|Karanacs]] ([[User talk:Karanacs|talk]]) 15:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::: I agree, but I have a limited amount of "controversy" I can handle, so I like having backup (grins). [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 15:10, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Thrilled to see back up for Ealdgyth on such a difficult and thankless and important chore ! 1c and 2c are my secret favorites as rarely does a serious writer neglect serious sourcing; don't tell [[User:Tony1|1a, though]] :-) [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 19:58, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Robert of Jumièges]] ==

I will be glad to look at - somewhat busy so it will be in the next day or so. [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub><font color="green">&gt;&lt;&gt;</font></sub><small>&deg;</small><sup><small>&deg;</small></sup>]]''' 18:32, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
: No great worries. I worked a bit on [[William of Corbeil]] this morning before my sinus pills kicked in. Right now, I wouldn't trust myself to touch an article, who knows what drug-induced edits I might make...[[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 18:34, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

I think I've just about done with the old fella now. Hopefully my slashing and burning hasn't altered the sense of what you were trying to say. :-) --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 19:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:: Thanks so much Malleus, I owe you (again). Now to make Brian's corrections and I think we'll be ready to roll next week. I trust you didn't find anything missing/unclear? [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 19:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

:::I'm not a historian, so I can't really speak to missing, especially on a subject like Robert. About the only thing I'm left feeling a little hazy about is this sentence in the lead: "His building works at Jumièges helped influence English building through Edward the Confessor's church at Westminster." That doesn't seem to follow from anything else that I see in the article. Edward himself was exiled in Normandy, so couldn't he have brought the style to England? I also have trouble reconciling the chronology of that statement with the later one that "... it is also possible that Westminster inspired the building at Jumièges, as the arcade there closely resembles Westminster's arcade, both of them in a style that never became common in Normandy." --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 19:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:::: The historians differ on this. Some think it was Robert, some think it was Edward, who brought it TO England. Some think it went the other way. The sentence in the lead aims to show that the consenus is that Jumiege influenced Westminster, but without saying whether it was robert or edward who brought it over. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 20:00, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Ah, I understand what you're trying to say now. What about something like "His building works at Jumiege were echoed in Edward the Confessor's church at Westminster, which influenced subsequent English ecclesiastical building style."? --[[User:Malleus Fatuorum|Malleus Fatuorum]] ([[User talk:Malleus Fatuorum|talk]]) 20:06, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Lipis ==

Hi E, Dana and I have been doing some cleanup work on [[Lipizzan]] to move it, albeit slowly, toward GA. There is now a discussion at [[Talk:Lipizzan]], with another editor who has a long history with this particular article. We have a mild difference of opinion over emphasis, sources and a POV question. The POV is put forth in a fair manner and I think all can be resolved amicably, but as you are the goddess of verifiability and NPOV, could you be so kind as to peek in and offer us some advice from the perspective of someone who is not often an editor on this particular article (we will want your feedback later on anyway, but maybe if you can remind us of the rules on sources...?) [[User:Montanabw|<font color="006600">Montanabw</font>]]<sup>[[User talk:Montanabw|(talk)]]</sup> 20:02, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Vithoba]] ==

Thanks for your comments. Have addressed your concerns. Please strike out comments that you feel are addressed satisfactorily. --[[User:Redtigerxyz|Redtigerxyz]] ([[User talk:Redtigerxyz|talk]]) 08:03, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
: Thanks for the feedback. Have answered your queries.--[[User:Redtigerxyz|Redtigerxyz]] ([[User talk:Redtigerxyz|talk]]) 12:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Reliable Source ==

Can this source, [http://www.wrestling-titles.com/thanks.html], be considered reliable. This source references title histories of every [[professional wrestling promotion]] on earth. (No lies). Also, I find the source reliable because it gets information from major sources, promotion's websites, and from websites that are third party that are from reliable sources (i.e. people who are considered prominent). It also get's it's information from a reliable book that has sourcing from early 1900s to 2000.--'''''[[User:SRX|<font color="black">S</font></font>]]<sub>[[User talk:SRX|<font color="blue">R</font>]]</sub>[[User:SRX/Guestbook|<font color="black">X</font></font>]]''''' 21:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
: Okay, this may sound petty, but the fact that TWO popups immediately popped up (past my popup blocker, no less) doesn't exactly give me warm fuzzies about the site. It's been my experience that a site that is THAT aggressive about popups, isn't going to be highly reliable right off the bat. I'd really like to see some information on reliable sources (preferably big media companies) using it as a reliable source. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 15:13, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
::That's odd, I have a pop blocker and none bypass it. Sigh, well I couldn't find any that used it, oh well. Forget about it, anyways I responded to your comments at [[WP:FAC#No Way Out (2004)]].--'''''[[User:SRX|<font color="black">S</font></font>]]<sub>[[User talk:SRX|<font color="blue">R</font>]]</sub>[[User:SRX/Guestbook|<font color="black">X</font></font>]]''''' 14:30, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:: Caught them, you're good to go on sourcing! [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 14:32, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/2002 NFL Expansion Draft]] ==

Please see if current revisions have addressed your concern and improved the list enough to change your mind. The intro section was considerably revamped. Thank you very much for your time and assistance.[[User:Advocate70|2008Olympian]] <sub>[[User talk:Advocate70|chitchat]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Advocate70|seemywork]]</sup> 00:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
*Does your strikethrough mean you are voting to '''Support''' now?--[[User:2008Olympian]]<sub>[[User talk:2008Olympian|chitchat]]</sub><sup>[[Special:Contributions/2008Olympian|seemywork]]</sup> 02:57, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:: If you look at the other FLCs up, you'll see that I've been investigating all the candidates sources, not just yours. While I'd love to have time to devote to every candidate and do a full review of the prose and other aspects, I just don't have the time. It has been a failing of FLs for a while that no one was investigating the sources and commenting on the reliablity or non-reliability of them for quite a while, and I've tried to step up and help with that. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 12:24, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Checking sources at FAC ==

Hi Ealdgyth, sorry to bother you. I've been making an effort recently to review sources for reliability and otherwise at FAC, and I'm afraid I'm not doing a good job at it. For example, at [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Location of European Union institutions]], it seems I missed quite a bit. If you find the time, could you give me some suggestions about checking sources? Thanks. &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 01:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
: [[User:Ealdgyth/FAC cheatsheet|This]] will give you a start, and I'll try to give you some more pointers tomorrow when I have more time. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 01:22, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:: Probably the best thing to know is to always question if you have any thoughts that it might be self-published. Looking at the EU one you linked above, the reason I questioned the ecotrips one, is because it looks like it's an advocacy group, and the story was itself written by them, thus it's "self-published" and needs to satisfy the SPS guidelines. It may be reliable, but it's always better to question and get told why it's reliable than to let it slide. Our sourcing guidelines are pretty easy, honestly, especially compared to academia. For [http://www.taurillon.org/?lang=en this] I questioned because it's a "webzine" and I didn't find any sign that it actually publishes anything. Webzines are easy to set up, and in my mind, fall into SPS territory, thus are a question all the time, better safe than sorry type of site. YouTube is tricky. A LOT of the time, the video being linked to is copyrighted and needs to be queried on that basis. Also, it's subject to bias, because a lot of time snippets of things are cut in such a way to eliminate context. [http://www.eupolitix.com/latestnews/news-article/newsarticle/sarkozy-slated-over-strasbourg-seat/ This] is probably reliable, but again, easier to ask than to risk letting a sticky source past. [http://www.euractiv.com/en/science/france-build-european-institute-technology-paris/article-145671 This], same deal. Doesn't appear to be a site by a big media company, so question it and see where things go. That's the best advice I can give you, is question question question. Also, lulu.com is a vanity publisher, anything published by them should be regorously questioned. If you've never heard of a publisher, try to tack the book down through the ISBN. Folks are really bad with not giving authors and getting things like books of collected articles by many authors wrong, they often give the editor as the author. Always question use of Google Books, it's very easy to miss context there. As a general rule, I click on every website, and I compare the publishers listed by the link checker with the publisher listed by the article. If anythign doesn't match up, you need to question THAT also. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 15:23, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Those are great tips, thanks. Just one more question. When an FAC nominator gives you evidence to prove that a source is reliable, is there a general rule as to when to accept it as reliable? &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 16:37, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::: For me, I weigh the evidence and if I'm persuaded convincingly yes, I'll strike. If it's REALLY good evidence, I add a note on my cheatsheet noting that a whole site has been shown reliable, and linking to the FAC that did it. (Note I don't do this lightly, there are a LOT of folks that watch that list and it has to be reliable beyond question for me to put it there.) If I'm not convinced, I point out why, and don't strike. If it's borderline, I'll leave it out for other reviewers to decide for themselves, and leave a note to that effect. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 16:40, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Sounds good. Thanks for your time, &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 17:27, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
:Cool, good to know. :-) I'll be sure to keep an eye out for the mixing of those formatting templates. &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 15:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:: Julian, I know that Ealdgyth knows this, but I want to be sure you do, so I'll add my two cents. There is no such thing as a definitive best reliable source; that depends on the text being sourced (and to my dismay, very few reviewers at FAC are actually going beyond what Ealdgyth does and checking for that; Ealdgyth's work should be considered only the first cut). For example, the fact that a particular source appears on Ealdgyth's list as reliable for a pop culture article wouldn't mean it is necessarily reliable for a bio or medical article. I'm afraid that, as a result of the considerable hard work that Ealdgyth is doing, FAC has gotten lazy about going to the next step and making sure that the best possible sources are being used, and that each source is actually reliable for the specific text being cited. I've been shocked at how often Ealdgyth leaves a source for reviewers to evaluate, and no reviewer even comments, which forces me to check myself and drags me into the review, which compromises my position. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 18:42, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::: I have to agree with Sandy here. I think what I'm (and you're trying to get into) doing is important, but it's really just a first step, and shouldn't be taken as meaning that the sources are acurately represented or such like. That's one reason I bring up using Google Book Searches so often, that's a really lazy way to do research, and you can't know that you're accurately reflecting what the source is getting at. I often wish that we had a "use the best possible sources and survey the whole of the scholarship available" as a criteria at FAC, that might cut down on some of the hassles. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 18:52, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::: Maybe that should be proposed ... um ... after all of the curren kerfuffle dies down. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 18:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::::: Good choice Sandy (grins) [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 19:16, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'll keep that in mind, thanks. &ndash;[[User:Juliancolton|Juliancolton]] [[User talk:Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''T'''ropical</sup></font>]] [[Special:contributions/Juliancolton|<font color="#66666"><sup>'''C'''yclone</sup></font>]] 00:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Are these reliable? ==

Can you help me determine whether these are reliable or not?

*http://www.baseball-reference.com/awards/mvp_cya.shtml
*http://www.hickoksports.com/history/cyyoung.shtml
*http://www.athomeplate.com/awardshistory.shtml

Thanks in advance! <span style="font-family: tahoma">'''[[User:iMatthew|<span style="color:#900">iMa<span style="color:#090">tth<span style="color:#4682b4">ew</span>]] ([[User talk:IMatthew|talk]])'''</span> 00:13, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

: The first is, the second and third I'd want to see more data on. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 16:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== MTV video as a source ==

Hi Ealdgyth, I'm currently working on ''[[HIStory]]'' and it's corresponding singles and album tracks that have their own article. Jackson gave a very rare but informative interview to MTV
[http://www.mtv.com/overdrive/?id=1536070&vid=104441 here]. Unfortunately it's just the video and I haven't been able to find a transcript of the interview. Could I still use it as a source, since it's an official interview with MTV and if so, how would I go about sourcing it? Cheers — [[User:Realist2|<span style="color:#4173E4">'''''Realist'''''</span>]][[User_talk:Realist2|<span style="color:#D80B0B"><sup>'''''2'''''</sup></span>]] 13:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
: I concur with the reliable sources noticeboard decision. Since it's hosted on the MTV site, it's presumed that they approve of it and that they stand behind it, thus as long as you remember that it's a primary source, it can be used with caution. Sorry it took a bit to get to this, been busy this weekend. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 12:23, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Beyoncé Knowles]] ==

Thanks for the note. I left a message there. --[[User:Efe|Efe]] ([[User talk:Efe|talk]]) 09:10, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
== [[Roman Catholic Church]] ==

Thank you for your support vote and especially for your thorough peer review and source check. I know you must have spent a lot of time and effort on this and I appreciate your diligence. [[User:NancyHeise|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#E75480">Nancy</font><font color="#960018">Heise</font></font>''']] <sup> [[User talk:NancyHeise#top|'''<font face="verdana"><font color="#F6ADC6">talk</font></font>]]</sup> 13:08, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== Sources ==

Hi! As per your advice and comments [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of Prime Ministers of Sri Lanka|here]], I tried to find more sources but found only one so far. Would http://www.uklankatimes.net/Insidepages/OpenFile/OpenFile.aspx?SID=1 do as a replacement for the lankalibrary link? It provides the needed information in detail, but I'm not sure if this is a reliable source. [[User:Chamal_N|<span style="color:#000080">'''C'''</span><span style="color:#0000CD">'''h'''</span><span style="color:#0000FF">'''a'''</span><span style="color:#4169E1">'''m'''</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">'''a'''</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">'''l'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Chamal_N|<span style="color:#693"><sup>Talk</sup></span>]]</small> [[Special:Contributions/Chamal_N|<span style="color:#C6C">±</span>]] 13:02, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
: It's a published magazine in the UK, correct? If so, I'd call it reliable enough. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 13:05, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::Yes. I;ll add it too, then. Thanks for the help. [[User:Chamal_N|<span style="color:#000080">'''C'''</span><span style="color:#0000CD">'''h'''</span><span style="color:#0000FF">'''a'''</span><span style="color:#4169E1">'''m'''</span><span style="color:#1E90FF">'''a'''</span><span style="color:#87CEEB">'''l'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Chamal_N|<span style="color:#693"><sup>Talk</sup></span>]]</small> [[Special:Contributions/Chamal_N|<span style="color:#C6C">±</span>]] 13:08, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Thanks for comment on [[Louvre]]...brief follow up ==

Hey there, thanks for your comment. I've got a brief question: what do you think about the distribution of the citations? I've heavily relied on Mignot's book; which, I believe is the best overview of the museum. However, do you think that particular work is cited too much? Just curious, as it was something concerning to me. Btw, I have the same watchlist problem. [[User:Lazulilasher|Lazulilasher]] ([[User talk:Lazulilasher|talk]]) 15:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
: I wouldn't worry about relying too much on it, it's a travel guide, but that just makes it more likely to be more neutral. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 15:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Question on [[Wikipedia:Peer_review/Strawberry_Fields_Forever/archive3|Strawberry Fields PR]] ==

You said on the PR for [[Strawberry Fields Forever]] that [[about.com]] is not a reliable source. I replaced three of the four citations with other reliable sources. My question is that one of the sources that I replaced the website with is Mike Pinder's website. Since the info that the citation refers to is about Mike Pinder, would that source be reliable? '''''[[User:Kodster|'''Kodster''']]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Kodster|<font color="#990066">heLLo</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Kodster|<font color="#00FF00">Me did that</font>]])</sup> 20:50, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
: Throw me a link to the site in question? [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 21:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
::Whoops, forgot to add the link. http://www.mikepinder.com/mellotron.shtml '''''[[User:Kodster|'''Kodster''']]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Kodster|<font color="#990066">heLLo</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Kodster|<font color="#00FF00">Me did that</font>]])</sup> 01:46, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::: Okay, so it's basically, Pinder's site saying that Pinder introduced the instrument to the Beatles? As long as you're clear in the article that it's a claim by PInder, it should be fine. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 14:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok, thanks. '''''[[User:Kodster|'''Kodster''']]''''' <sup>([[User talk:Kodster|<font color="#990066">heLLo</font>]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Kodster|<font color="#00FF00">Me did that</font>]])</sup> 20:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== Mark Speight ==

Hi, you commented on the (failed) FAC; please can you help me out by leaving some feedback at [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Mark Speight/archive2|peer review]]? Thanks, and best wishes, -- [[User:How do you turn this on|<span style="font-family:Times New Roman; color:white; background:gray;">how&nbsp;do&nbsp;you&nbsp;turn&nbsp;this&nbsp;on</span>]] 12:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
: I will try to get over there sometime today or tomorrow... [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 14:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Flag of Japan/archive2]] ==

[http://www.mopedronin.com/kimigayo.html This] link is an copy of an article in the [[Asahi Shimbun]], one of the major Japanese papers. The FOTW site has been having issues, so I will try and replace those links when I got time. (Anyways, I am shooting for FAC, not FLC). [[User:Zscout370]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Zscout370|(Return Fire)]]</sup></small> 15:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, I noticed I was using the wrong boilerplate after I did a bunch of articles this morning at PR ... oops! [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 15:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
::Links replaced with live ones, and managed to remove FOTW links in favor of those belonging to the Japanese Government. I been asked to keep some FOTW links in, so people can actually read about the subject in English. [[User:Zscout370]] <small><sup>[[User_talk:Zscout370|(Return Fire)]]</sup></small> 06:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
::: Sounds good! [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 14:14, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[United States Naval Gunfire Support Debate]] ==

I have addressed all but two of the concerns you rasied at the FAC, but I require a clarficiation for one of the remaining two issues before I can adress it. When you have a chance, could you check out the FAC and clairify the issue so I can adress it? [[User:TomStar81|TomStar81]] ([[User talk:TomStar81|Talk]]) 22:55, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
: You got most of them, one more citation missing a publisher. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 14:16, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

==[[Rhinemaidens]] - sources==
Ealdgyth, could you pop back [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Rhinemaidens_(Wagner)/archive1#Rhinemaidens_.28Wagner.29 here] for a moment and check what I've said about the source you queried. If you still think it doesn't satisfy the reliability criterion, well OK, I'll find other sources, but I am reluctant to lose such an informative list unless I have to. Always ready to do as I am told, however.[[User:Brianboulton|Brianboulton]] ([[User talk:Brianboulton|talk]]) 16:31, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
: Heh .. I'm ahead of you! (preens) It's ... borderline. Might be best to try and find other sources to back it up, or find out what sources he used to find the information. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 16:34, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== FYI ==
I noted that you didn't review the sources at [[Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/TAM (tank)]], and I held off commenting for ten days. [[User:SandyGeorgia|Sandy<font color="green">Georgia</font>]] ([[User talk:SandyGeorgia|Talk]]) 23:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
: Julian got them, and I was busy at the time so I didn't check on top of his. [[User:Ealdgyth|Ealdgyth]] - [[User talk:Ealdgyth|Talk]] 13:24, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Rennell Island ==

Hello,
Just letting you know I fixed Rennell Island.
thanks
Peter
[[User:Phenss|Phenss]] ([[User talk:Phenss|talk]]) 12:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Peer review/Final Fantasy XIII/archive1]] ==

Done <font face="Verdana">[[User:Gary King|<font color="#02e">Gary</font>&nbsp;<font color="#02b"><b>King</b></font>]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Gary King|<font color="#02e">talk</font>]])</font> 16:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

== Colton Point State Park ==

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!bgcolor="#ccccff" |<font=3> Thanks for your reference and link review of [[Colton Point State Park]], which made [[WP:FA|featured article]] today! </font><br> [[User:Ruhrfisch|Ruhrfisch]] '''[[User talk:Ruhrfisch|<sub><font color="green">&gt;&lt;&gt;</font></sub><small>&deg;</small><sup><small>&deg;</small></sup>]]''' 17:18, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
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Mike Lalor (born March 8, 1963 in Fort Erie, Ontario) was a Canadian professional ice hockey defenceman.Mike played in the NHL with the Montreal Canadiens, St. Louis Blues, Washington Capitals, Winnipeg Jets, San Jose Sharks, and Dallas Stars.  He won a Stanley Cup with the 1986 Canadiens. Mike is one of only 20 players to score a double hatrick in a game. ( 6 goals)

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