User talk:Ingolfson

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Museum Ships

Just wanted to say that I liked the improvements you made to Museum ships. Just a minor niggle, while you are doing such a great job - could the ships in the table be listed alphabetically! Viv Hamilton 12:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you too could do that ;-) I would find it very helpful once I get around to improving the table further by adding country (located in) and country (affiliated with) columnns! MadMaxDog 12:56, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well I didn't want to jump in if you were still in the middle of improving it, and I'm struggling to find enough time for all of the projects I've got on, but I've done the sort now. Cheers Viv Hamilton 18:46, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

An auto-sort function would really help! MadMaxDog 05:56, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Myers Park

Are you working close to Myers Park? If so could you pop down there one lunchtime for me? There's a sign just in front of the kindergarten saying that the area was declared a free speech zone sometime in the early years of the 20th century. That's probably worth a paragraph in the article, but my interest is in exactly what did the sign say. Did it call it a free speech zone, or a Speakers' Corner, or use some other equivalent wording? I ask because I am arguing at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Free speech zone that the term is generic and should not be used for a US-specific article.-gadfium 02:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I pass by often, can take a picture if you like. Which side is the sign on - Queen or Grey's? Directly on the building? MadMaxDog 02:27, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I recall it being a signpost on the grass on the Queen St side of the kindergarten, but close to the building, not the street. I last looked at it a few years ago, so I hope it's still there.-gadfium 02:47, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, spent 5-10 minutes earlier this evening checking the area. No such sign visible. May check next week during daylight again, but unlikely it is (still) there. MadMaxDog 09:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, thanks anyway.-gadfium 18:07, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I cruised past Myers Park today and the sign has definitely gone.-gadfium 01:20, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Any luck finding info on the Free Speech Zone itself? MadMaxDog 14:00, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No. It will be in some history books, but nothing I could find on the web. At some point I plan to take User:EdwardBennett's guided tour of Karangahape Road, and I'll ask him about it.-gadfium 18:28, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Coords Eden Park

Yeepers, nice enough of you to give a link to explain your action, but WHERE on this talk page is what you cite in support?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template_talk:Coor_title_dms

Cheers, MadMaxDog 14:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry for the delay getting back to you, been offline.

The coordinate stuff isn't official to Wikipedia, so there is no official guidelines, however I point to that page in hopes that you would read it (and the associated pages) and come to a conclusion where you would be happy to leave coor title out.

The coor title title was made in the first place because people didn't like seeing the coordinates inline with the normal text, but generally people agreed that the info should be placed in an infobox if one exists. There are many "issues" with the title template and as such there was a vote to kill it. However, the vote ended in a keep because a lot of ill informed people thought the vote was for the "coor" template. If you have a read through the log you'll see a lot of good reasons for removing the template.

The coor title template is popular with a lot of people because they think it looks cool, or because it provides "a consistent location" for coordinate data.

Looking cool isn't a valid argument for using it, since it doesn't "look" cool on all media. Plus it breaks a lot (as it is now) with different layout themes, when different banners on shown by wikipedia, and even depending on if the user is logged in or not. Having the information "near" the top of the article, but actually grouped with other text, or even overlaying other text makes it difficult to associate the information with the content of article. Also, because of location of the tags in the markup there is even less association of the coordinates with its subject.

Not all articles can have the content in the title (e.g. Articles may have several locations of interest which each have their own coordinates.), which means that it's a bad place for consistency.

Authors and template creators can't decide on which template should be writing to the title. On the page that I pointed to you'll see people claiming that their template is the more important one and therefore it should have the privilege of writing to the title. So this also creates consistency/overlapping text issues. (as was demonstrated with one of the stadium articles "enhancing" my edits.

There is a big benefit for coor title, tho. By putting the info in the title, you don't have to provide any supporting text or infobox, so it's a great lazy-mans way of getting coordinates into an article. Note that this doesn't provide any reason to have title as well as infobox, tho.

Another argument for not having it in the title as well as the infobox would be that almost no other pages do it. (I'm sure there must be some, but I haven't seen any that are consistent and not random occurrences for cool factor)

Info boxes provide a consistent and context relevant location to put coordinates.

I'm sure there's more that I could write, but it's late and you didn't want to read the other page, so I'm not sure you'll want to read this. If there's some good reason to keep it in the title, please let me know.

Cheers, Nosilleg 23:46, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the information. Sorry about being too lazy to read the whole discussion - but I do get your point now. At the end of the day I still feel that coordinates should (eventually) end up in one single place, at least for certain categories of articles, and that the top right would be a good place once the bugs are worked out. But sure, no need to force that now while it still breaks other things, so infobox will be fine with me. MadMaxDog 00:47, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Autumn

MadMaxDog, I was removing links to the disambiguation page "summer solstice." Normally I changed the link from "summer solstice" to "summer solstice," because there is no article page for summer solstice, but there is for solstice. However, in the case with the autumn page, there was already a link to the "solstice" article in the previous paragraph, so I felt that it wouldn't be necessary to duplicate a link. Let me know what you think. Dkreisst 21:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Responded. (Thanks for the suggestion.) Dkreisst 10:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Auckland Meetup 2 Scheduled - Feb 10 2007

You are invited to Auckland Meetup 2 on the afternoon of Saturday February 10th 2007 at Galbraith's Ale House in Mt Eden. Please see Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland 2 for details. You can also bookmark Wikipedia:Meetup/Auckland to be informed of future NZ meetups. - SimonLyall 08:52, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stupid Evil Bastard

I'm fairly certain that the banner at the top says "fuck" not "hell". [1] I wasn't reverting your revert, I just noticed that the article says "hell" whereas the site says "fuck". Sorry for any confusion. —Dylan Lake 07:47, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Egg on my face. You are right. MadMaxDog 07:51, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Post-scarcity

Thanks for the compliment. The topic is quite interesting. I think it could make a very good article down the road but it has a long way to go... --babbage 09:04, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah, in fact probably several centuries ;-) MadMaxDog 09:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

David Mott

There is nothing stopping the original creator from recreating it if/when they come up with sources. It is not unusual for articles that are extremely short, or articles that do not establish the notability of their subjects, to be deleted speedily. FreplySpang 10:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You have recently re-created the article David Mott, which was deleted in accordance with Wikipedia's deletion policies. Please do not re-create the article. If you disagree with the article's deletion, you may ask for a deletion review. JuJube 10:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree with you twice. First off, I disagree with what happened. The article should have been tagged with a speedy delete template as you did, NOT directly deleted immediately after being created. Heck, at the spped it got deleted, the user could have still been working on it! So instead, I placed a notice on the original users talk page to please provide notability references, went to the deleting admin and explained my actions - and then you come along and give me a talking-to... Loosen up people. Not every noob must have his articles deleted half an hour after he created them. Give them a blimmin' chance to provide notability. MadMaxDog 11:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to say, recreating the article yourself seems somewhat pointless to me. If I don't delete the article, some other admin probably will, as it still meets our Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion, specifically WP:CSD#A7. But User:Jujube beat me to it. FreplySpang 10:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

So? he did what should have been done in the first place, placed a tag instead of deleted it. MadMaxDog 11:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What I don't understand is why editors can't just wait to create an article until they get the proper sourcing required. It would save admins a lot of trouble. JuJube 11:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because he was a noob? I think the chance is high that it was a vanity article, but assume good faith! MadMaxDog 11:24, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re:Britomart transport centre

not really but i fort it was a great idea of putting a template on like they do with british,irish,american,canadian,austrailian,ect railway station templates that tells you what is the back and next stations. anyway pals :D thanks, User:Jonjoe

Réunion

Hi MMD - you wrote:

...to complicate things, if the decision to apply UN areas to Wikipedia is implemented, and Madagascar moves to East Africa (it appears on both maps, which is what tripped me up), then wouldn't Reunion sort of have to move as well?

Mmmm. Maybe. Not sure - probably depends what happens with Mauritius, since it's so much further out. It's probably academic anyway; slowly, all African countries are getting their own geo-stubs (Réunion's one of the last places that doesn't have one), so it'll simply mean changing the categories on the templates if the UN standards are adopted. Grutness...wha? 05:46, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Robbot

Re: your comment on my edit page. I had the bot remove this link on purpose, because simple:assassination is a redirect to simple:murder. By linking to the former, in effect we are linking to the latter. However, I have now changed the link so that it can remain. - Andre Engels 08:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]