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Back to our conversation...

I was just going to go to Kinokuniya, and get Tokyo Tribe. I'm still working on List of series run in Shōnen Book, adding the first and last issues. : ) — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 01:46, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cool beans! I only have two on going series to pick up volumes for this month, so may go ahead and get those volumes of Free Collars Kingdom and some one-shots. :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:50, 2 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't gotten Free Collars Kingdom yet? What one-shots are you getting? — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 18:34, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, I picked up some video games last month so decided to wait instead. Not sure on the one-shots yet. Need to see whats on my wishlist. RightStuf is having a sale on Tokyopop titles so also debating picking up the remaining available volumes of Platinum Garden. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:36, 3 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good news! I finished the List of series run in Shōnen Book list! All the dates are on there, just need to source all of them and put translations of the titles. I definatly don't think it's a one-person job, wunna help? :D — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 18:19, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The prose seems to be the main thing that needs sourcing. For translations, I can try to help out, but kinda packed for the weekend. For any that were licensed, though, I think you can just put in the English title with the link to its article. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 18:33, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Only one that was published in English would be Speed Racer. I did put the English title. Why are you packing for the weekend? — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 19:10, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I didn't mean packing, just packed as in busy. Need to do some work in my garden and in the house. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:11, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oooooh. :P I get cha'. Right now i'm sourcing the dates on the page. I still need to go to Kinokuniya. — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 19:31, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Found a few items while out shopping this weekend. Two Sailor Moon SuperS volumes and a brand new copy of the first volume of Cromartie High School. I bought them all and put them on eBay. :D -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:37, 4 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Cool. I'm just noticing how weird these squares are: ■. It looks like something you'd bleep out a swear with. STUP■D, D■MB, MEAN■E HE■D. :D — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 00:44, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, I was thinking they look a little like those censor bars you see in government released documents where they mark out all to good parts :P -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:59, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Haha. They look like that too. : ) Ruplum og rænum! — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 23:04, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ruplum og rænum? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 23:49, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's icelandic for "You are a Pirate!". — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 21:10, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Anyway, what's new? — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 23:56, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Rurouni Kenshin

I've been eyeing up Rurouni Kenshin as a potential candidate for collaboration aiming towards good topic. You previously pointed out the article (currently a B)as a good example of a lead, but it needed info regarding reception. Since the previous message on the talk page as well as your previous reference to it, the lead has been edited on a couple of occasions. Would you be able to take a look at it and see what needs doing or if the tag can come off? I've compared it to other articles with better ratings and don't see a problem with it, but I'm hardly in a position to give a proper assessment :p

With regards to the associated articles, Himura Kenshin is GA, Sagara Sanosuke is currently B, but has been nominated for GA, and the rest of the characters with seperate pages are all/mostly start class, with several being suggested for merges (not that I've found the details regarding them but presumably into List of Rurouni Kenshin characters). Everything else is start. I'm after your opinion on what should be done first, I want to try and improve some of the "half done" pages before drumming up interest (Samurai X: Trust & Betrayal doesn't even mention it was adapted from a flashback in the manga, thats how bad it is) Dandy Sephy (talk) 17:43, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good question. I think good topic would take awhile, but its certainly a good goal, particularly for this series since it is one of our "biggest" in terms of popularity and the like. I'll take a look at the main article after work and see if the lead needs any tweaking. For doing first, I'm inclined to say deal with any needed merges, so then we aren't "wasting" effort maintaining/editing pages that aren't going to exist. For the characters, if there isn't a discussion yet, feel free to do the tagging and start a discussion at Talk:List of Rurouni Kenshin characters to get the ball rolling. The big challenges will be getting the character list redone ala Naruto's to go for that FL star, along with the chapter and episode lists. Then deal with the individual character, OVA, and film articles. I think its doable, though, as RK should have plenty of reference material out there already to really do some great stuff. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 18:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Voice actors

What is the criterion on mentioning voice actors of anime characters? Is it alright to list everyone so long as it's sourced, like this? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 04:42, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The original Japanese voice actors should be listed, along with the major English version actors. No other languages, like that one, should be included. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:00, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. But is there a particular guideline that I should know of? Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 05:03, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can't think of a specific guideline at the moment. It just falls under the general idea that this is the English Wikipedia, so we cover the original language and the English versions in detail, while the rest are not giving as much attention. Its the same basic reason we do not do more than maybe briefly mention other countries a manga or anime series is licensed it. It might be good if the MoS did specifically note that in the character section, though I think that whole character article part may be in for an review anyway. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:09, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You got a thank you card!

A Thank You Card!

Dear Collectonian, thank you so much for your words of support, kindness, and your trust in me. My request for Adminship has been closed, and the support the community has shown will be with me forever. I have no way to properly express how grateful I am, and all I can tell you is this: I shall try not to disappoint you nor anyone else with my use of the buttons... and if I mess up, please tell me! :) If you ever need my help, either for admin-related stuff or in any other way, you are welcome to ask, and I shall do my very best.

Dear Collectonian, I would also like to thank you for your friendship, and your note of congratulations.

Please take care.

G.A.S 06:08, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Strawberry Panic!

I'm very sorry that I never got back to you on this.. Alas, I think I've done all the anime/manga/video game reviews I can take for a while. Good luck with it, though, and hopefully I can be of more assistance in the future! Scartol • Tok 15:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No prob :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 15:57, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Grammar question on video formats

Apparently I owe you another response. =) Technically speaking, neither "to" nor "on" is appropriate when discussing VHS. VHS is a format, which means "in" is best, and usually with an explanatory word after "VHS" – as in: "The first series was released in VHS format in 1998". If you're talking about discs or cassettes, "on" is more standard. (I don't know if we have a technical preference in the textbooks yet, since they're relatively new formats.) If you're saying DVDs, for example, you might say: "The first series was released on six DVDs in 1998".

Notice, too, that "as" also works if you're describing specific products: "The first series was released as six DVDs in 1998". Hope this helps! Scartol • Tok 15:53, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOL, so we're both wrong there then. Thanks and that does help. Never even though about VHS being a format. :p -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:01, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE: DBZ AfDs

Out of curiosity, Collectonian, why didn't you or Sesshomaru leave any notifications at Talk:List of Dragon Ball characters, where all the discussion was taking place? GlassCobra 18:07, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't nominate any articles for deletion, so why are you also pointing the finger at me? And if you noticed, User:JJJ999 already left a note at that talk page. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 18:15, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, apologies for dragging you into this, Sesshomaru. And yes, JJJ999 did leave a note there, but much much after the fact. As in, several days. GlassCobra 18:39, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Because there is no obligation to do so, what so ever, and I would presume that the editors who so vehemently argued against the merges would have had the articles on their watchlists considering they went and reverted them all. All of the AfDs were also posted to the public and highly viewed Anime and manga project deletion list. Also you may note that JJJ999 was the one who initially demanded that the merged items be taken to AfD because he felt talk page consensus for merges was worthless. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:50, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As you are an admin, I'd like to ask you to please either do something about JJJ999's continuing unfounded and vicious personal attacks and accusations of collusion, sneakiness, etc, or please advise as to where to report this. He is now repeating his false attacks in the Cell AfD and I'm getting really tired of it. He's even attacking Sesshomaru now and another admin (Sephiroth BCR) with such out right lies. It breaks all lines of WP:AGF and WP:CIVILITY and I'm shocked that he's been allowed to continue to get away with it. Far more experienced and productive editors have been warned for much less, yet he gets to do this for weeks? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:28, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Karakuridôji Ultimo article

I created a new Karakuridôji Ultimo article. It still has a few issues, etc. But so far i'm thinking it looks pretty good. : ) Do you want to help? — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 23:31, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hello? — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 00:51, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not familiar with that work at all, unfortunately. I can do MoS fixes once the info is there, but I'm curious as to how it meets WP:BK for notability? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:53, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOL. : ) The manga is created by former Marvel chairman Stan Lee and Shaman King creator Hiroyuki Takei. It is considered on of the most important manga in Jump history. : ) — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 01:23, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The creator doesn't really make it notable though :P Who says it is one of the most important manga in the magazine's history (and, outside of the magazine?) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I updated a few things there. I have a question about the nihongo:

Karakuridôji Ultimo (機巧童子ウルテイモ, Karakuri Dōji Uruteimo, literally: "Robot Child: Ultimo")

Shouldn't it be written like this:

Karakuridôji Ultimo (機巧童子ウルテイモ, Karakuri Dōji Uruteimo, lit. "Robot Child: Ultimo") or simply Ultimo

Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:30, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Where does the "or simply Ultimo" from from? Is that how its primarily referred to, or just a short nickname used casually? If the later, I'd think it wouldn'tneed to be at all. For the lit, yes, I think it is supposed to be shortened. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:32, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Something like that. In all the recent interviews I've seen with Stan Lee, he refers to it as "Ultimo". Not sure about the other guy though. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 02:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't very clear on that. ^_- That's how it is commonly reffered to by Stan and Viz. Sorry for the confusion. — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 03:42, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Is "Karakuridôji Ultimo" the official Viz title? Just want to make sure. Lord Sesshomaru (talk • edits) 03:43, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it is. Viz uses a circumflex for the "o". — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 03:45, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify...this is a single chapter story? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:11, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It will be created into a full series in Jump SQ. Ultimo also has millions of sources, which makes it easy to write the article. : ) — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 04:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Alrighty. I've done some MoS and grammar fixes to the article. Here is another source[1]. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 04:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dragon Ball merges: Episode 2, the attack of...(wait, how was it named?)

Now they called another group to see what should happen. I wonder what will happen? By the way, should now full dates be linked? Im a bit confused.Tintor2 (talk) 00:41, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yep...seems like they will never be satisfied with a merge closing, so now they are attacking the AfDs because they aren't going their way either. And no, full dates should no longer be linked per the updated Date MoS to stop the majority of the date auto formatting. This includes in the prose and the tables...I haven't found a good answer about the infoboxes yet though. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:46, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's not so much attacking the AFDs as attacking the AFDers. Ad hominem attacks are good arguments I heard. Sui get su 02:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

True, though it seems like they are doing both. The AfDs both seem to be going to merge, IMHO, so now they seek to invalidate them by attacking the nominators. *sigh* -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:12, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We should really merge them soon, since there obviously isn't a single valid argument for keeping the articles regardless of what the fanboys whine about. Sui get su 02:15, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually they all already were merged, but the complainers undid all three merges, then went on the attack on the talk page. When the AfDs are done and, presuming they close as merge, they each have links to the merged versions for easy remerging. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 02:18, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Goddamnit. Sui get su 02:31, 8 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Suigetsu, be considerate of what Collectonian wrote at the top of this page. What you just wrote sounded very rude, also notice how she didn't respond to you. While you're at it, also try not to be so vulgar here on Wikipedia, as some of the vulgraty can be offensive to some users. Not so much to me, but just keep that in mind. : ) — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 00:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its okay, I understand his frustration with the mess going on over there. I just didn't reply because that pretty much said it all :P -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:17, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, sorry. :nP I'm a hickalope. — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 01:19, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

hickalope? -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:21, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

LOL. Hickalope. It's a running joke with my cousins, along with "I'm a dorkfish!". — J U M P G U R U ^■TALK■ 01:26, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

RE:Timmy Martin

I left a note on her talk page. One for you; even if you may be backed by policy in a matter, you're still not allowed to edit war. Since this is a content dispute, you can't just plainly revert edits as vandalism. Next time, come get me so that we can settle this before you guys make 50 revisions each, ok? :) Thanks, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 05:28, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Will do. This is why I gave up editing most of the Lassie articles awhile back. *sigh* Too much drama, even if I do love the series and want to see it have pretty FA stars beside its name. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:29, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You don't have to give up; just a bit less conflict would be great. :D Anyway, do you think you can figure this out with Lassie or do you want me to moderate and help you guys reach a decision? Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 05:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Abandoning them to their sad state is less stressful than dealing with her, as she seems determind to reject anything I do. I firmly believe this article (as well as the series article) could be fairly quickly and easily taken to GA and/or FA with some work, so I'm finding it very frustrating dealing with this kind of thing. The show has a ton of sources, and yet both are start class, and I honestly feel it is because the whole thing is "controlled" by a single fan who chases away other editors, including those experienced in the topic. When I took on editing Meerkat Manor, it was primarily "controlled" by some minor fans (uh, minor as in age not lessor importance), and they were far more receptive to discussing and actually learning from more experienced editors than ItsLassieTime seems to be. As someone who wrestled what was once a very badly done single lengthy fancruft piece into a featured article, two featured lists, a good article, and a featured topic, it is hard for me to deal with her complete lack of respect for other editors and her total disregard for many guidelines, policies, and other editor's experience.

You may notice from her talk page that after my nominating Ruth and Paul Martin's articles for AfD, she went on a pointy spree of AfDing obviously notable character articles.[2] We went through stuff over and over on the series page, though then she acted fairly polite at first and eager to learn, but I finally just walked away rather than deal with that kind of thing over and over. Anyway, I've asked for an opinion from the TV project on which version is "best practices" for this article. Some moderation would be good, though, as I do still at least edit the Lassie articles and would like to not have to worry about her coming behind and reverting everything I do simply because she doesn't like me anymore. Kinda sad if ya think about it, considering I was the one who welcomed her here and praised her earlier edits. No good deed and all that...-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 05:55, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I realize it may be hard to stay civil, but I find that the number one cause of these matters spiraling downwards is that people lose sight of what they're actually discussing and just begin a torrent of ad-hominem attacks or berate the other editor(s) for what they did that is perceived wrong, etc. I know it may be hard to try to keep working with someone who isn't exactly reciprocating, but hopefully Lassie will respond on my talk page and you guys can handle this just fine.

Thanks for keeping your cool (for the most part :P) up 'til now! Cheers, Master of Puppets _{Call me MoP! :)} 01:53, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Trinity Blood

The characters do exist. You can see them in many official pieces of art featuring the RCO and they are in the novels. You already know about Susann, amd Guderian is in ROM, but the book hasn't been released in America yet. Nothing I put was spam and I did not destroy the article. I simply added two secondary characters who fill out the remainder of the RCO's roster. The Trinity Blood series doesn't have that many notable characters (or many characters at all), but these characters are just as notable as some of the others on this page. I only ask that you let off this reversion thing only a little bit and stop reverting even the addition of a few sentences. It appears really controlling.74.193.217.105 (talk) 06:33, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And so that you know since you haven't noticed miss: Most of that list page is unsourced!74.193.217.105 (talk) 06:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I didn't say the characters don't exist, but that they seem pretty minor. The list probably has more on the page that need to go because folks just basically added all of the characters from all three versions, though we've culled others before per the talk page. I've removed Wendy and Peter (as I agree with you there). And yes, I know most of the list is unsourced...its still a work in progress since the novels are last to be released but the primary work. If you want to readd, I won't revert again. The whole list will basically be rebuilt from the ground up anyway when all of the novels are available. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 06:38, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ok then, I'll readd it. And Believe me: I am here to help and I understand how you feel. I don't think you are a bad person or editor, it is just discouraging to have even the edition of a word or pargraph reverted at the drop of the hat.74.193.217.105 (talk) 06:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks and no problem. I mostly am just trying to keep out the excess stuff, ya know (and I'll admit, the first time you added it, I was like "eh? a werewolf??" :P). If you could put in some notes (either as hidden comments or as basic refs) noting which novel they are in, it would be helpful for later. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 06:51, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What could help would be to add the official picture/roster of the RCO. I will see if I could add it later. We need a picture for them anyway74.193.217.105 (talk) 06:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A single official image of the RCO would be very helpful! If you can find one, though, I believe Wikipedia is set up such that you'd have to register before it will let you upload it (or if you don't want to reigster, you can leave me a note with the link to it and I can can upload). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 07:04, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion review for Cell (Dragon Ball)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Cell (Dragon Ball). Since you closed the deletion discussion for this article, speedy-deleted it, or were otherwise interested in the article, you might want to participate in the deletion review. -- Suntag ☼ 08:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Triple crown awards

Just making a note that you qualify for one of User:Durova's triple crown awards, namely the imperial triple crown (2-4 DYK/GA/FC). Feel free to nominate yourself at WP:CROWN/NOM. Cheers, — sephiroth bcr ^(converse) 08:48, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh cool! Thanks :) -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 13:30, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox links

Hello, I am thinking about going ahead and requesting the change to {{Film}} to remove the external links based on the community discussion. I would like to make sure that this does not deprive articles of links to IMDb, AMG, or the official site. Do you have any suggestions about setting up a bot or some kind of method to go through with this? —Erik (talk • contrib) - 16:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm...I'm guessing a decent bot editor could whip up something fairly quickly. The anime and manga project did a bunch of changes to some of our infoboxes recently, but I think a single editor just went through and changed all the articles using AWB. There is a page there where one can request tasks be done. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 16:20, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Spamming

I did resent being accused of spamming, though, even if you were joking. :-( --GentlemanGhost (talk) 19:01, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

When a redlink user adds an external link to a guideline page like that, spam tends to be my first thought. Didn't realize at first that you were an active editor. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:03, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Heh. Yeah, I get more than a few askance glances because I haven't bothered to create a user page. I guess I feel that it isn't that important who I am, I'm just here to edit. Anyway, no harm done. Thanks for responding. Cheers, GentlemanGhost (talk) 19:07, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

No worries...you aren't the first to be here for ages and make one. Then I see some just make one that's blank to get rid of the red LOL. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 19:12, 9 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Unmerge discussion

Is this like an early April Fool's joke? I feel like we're on Candid Camera or something. Sui get su 00:39, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wish. This guy is being total rabid. I suspect that unless an admin steps in and makes him, he is going to just keep restarting the discussion over and over and over until everyone gets sick of it and he drives all editors away so he can do whatever he likes. Either way, this is annoying and disruptive. No real work is going on with the list now because of all this mess.-- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Would it be insane to open up an RfA for this? (arbitration, not adminship) Sui get su 00:48, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure...they are two requests for mediation now on the Cell and Tien S. merges. *sigh* I'd say a RfC/U, but those are pretty useless. Maybe the information arbitration, as I don't think they will take a full arbitration unless the rest have been done? I think something should be done, though. -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 00:51, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Also, why are admins like DGG and GlassCobra supposedly supporting the articles and opposing the merges, or is that just a concoction by JJJ? Sui get su 00:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Its mostly a concoction. They did both feel there was no clear consensus to merge on the Cell and Tien Shinhan discussions, which led to their being unmerged and taken to AfD instead. DGG has expressed no opinion on either article on the list page, while GlassCobra did note he supported keeping Cell separate and has been part of the discussion regarding what to do with Trunks and Future Trunks. JJJ999 however, has decided that this all means that the admins "yelled" at anyone who opposed the merges (false) and would help him save the articles (also false, both are fair admins who can put aside their own points of view to accepted a wider consensus). -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:10, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Our vectors cannot handle stupidity of this magnitude, chief. Sui get su 01:12, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm amused that after the pages of personal attacks and out right nastiness he has displayed, he is calling you rude. *eye roll* -- Collectonian (talk · contribs) 01:31, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

In addition to that, I'm surprised that he thinks it holds any weight. I mean, around here, saying I'm rude is like saying that water is blue. /facepalm. Sui get su 01:47, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm getting tired of this... I'm seriously having to restrain myself from going apeshit on this guy. Can you take over the debates for a minute while I have some water, or something to take my mind off of what is probably the biggest hit to my faith in humanity since Janet Jackson's Super Bowl flash? Sui get su 02:04, 10 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Saga Breakdown fix

I've been trying to fix the saga breakdown. The Namek saga is missing from the context. Can you help me insert it...the Namek saga ends in "Goku...Super Saiyan" and Captain Ginyu saga starts from the episode "Ginyu Assault".