User talk:Gwen Gale
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BLP issue
Hi Gwen, sorry to bother you but I don't really know any other admins. Could you please comment on WP:BLPN#Sylvia Browne? I'm getting WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS arguments about a BLP issue. Surely if that's not a valid reason in a deletion discussion, it's not a valid reason to ignore BLP? Bob (QaBob) 13:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- While strong criticism from reliable sources is more than ok, a site with the name http://www.stopsylviabrowne.com/articles/montel_explainingthelevels.shtml can safely be kept out of a Wikipedia BLP about her as unreliably PoV, an attack site. You can link to this thread if need be and if you need help, please do ask. Gwen Gale (talk) 13:29, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia Images for deletion October 1
In this section, I added Image:A1GP Taupo Motorsport Park New Zealand.jpg. It hasn't been deleted yet. Taupo Motorsport Park has an .svg image. Fclass (talk) 16:47, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
Hi Gwen, can you give me some background on your recent indef-block of this user? It seems apparent that there is some history, however I'm unable to find any serious issues since the 24Sep08 block was lifted. There is of course the little flame-out against an anonymous editor who went far, far beyond baiting, into territory that very few 'pedians could respond to with an appropriately belittling response. Fclass may have responded over-the-top, but too-bad-so-sad, he just chased away a valuable new racist editor - our net loss is...?
And the other controversial activity I can see is image questions, where I'm finding it hard to see the block reasons. In fact, that's the only reason I'm here. The user is trying to resolve an image problem, raised also at VPT and pursued by myself at Commons. To the extent that Fclass's pursuance of that issue was a factor in the latest indef-block, it's a perfectly legitimate technical problem.
So, summing up - why the indef? I'd appreciate your pointers to the previous issues so that I may study them. I'd also ask on a preliminary basis for your forbearance - has this user been given the option of mentorship? I could try that. Thanks! Franamax (talk) 07:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- And just caught up on the AN thread, comments above stand as written. Franamax (talk) 07:27, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- The block had nothing whatsoever to do with his worries about image thumbnails not showing up. I've spent many hours of my volunteer Wikipedia time dealing with this editor. Yes, Fclass has made helpful edits. My block notice on his talk page and the thread at WP:AN are very clear. Fclass promised many times never to make personal attacks, ever: I've been over this with him and warned him time and again. I also warned him not to badger editors about deleting images which were already in the deletion process (diffs are in the block notice). Fclass ran several sockpuppets during his last indefinite block, which I lifted anyway, hoping he might at last find a way to edit here without being disruptive. My having blocked him again is the outcome of his behaviour taken altogether, not one or two edits. If you would like to offer mentorship, please do so in the AN thread and let the community have its input. As I said in the post which started that thread, I'll happily abide by whatever outcome the community settles upon. Gwen Gale (talk) 07:47, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- The troll who attacked Fclass very likely picked on him thinking it likely Fclass wouldn't be able to hold back. This is what trolls do, stir things up, hoping for highly emotional, time wasting reactions. Answering back to them hurts the project because it only gives them what they want and getting what they want, they come back for more, further disrupting things in never-ending loops of pithless gnashing of teeth. A new user who doesn't understand this and lashes back is one thing but Fclass, having been warned never to answer back with personal attacks, having promised many times never to make another personal attack, then feeding the troll anyway, is another. Gwen Gale (talk) 08:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- You are absolutely right that the answer to trolls is to not respond in kind. I personally have many resources to respond in ways ranging from humorous to acerbic to sarcastic. Those resources are not available to all editors, so they are provoked to flail away in response. We do have to convince them that's not the way to go - at least the productive editors, less so the random IP's. However, Fclass responded badly to a particularly egregious attack, I assign no particular fault for that - I would have stuck the knife in better, or not at all - but it's no surprise that knives came out.
- Sockpuppeting is plus-ungood - but also a natural response to a block, and depending on how you read the policies (ie. RTV) it's positively encouraged, especially for the naive reader (I'm not justifying here, it's a much wider issue).
- And as far as mentoring goes, I'll not post to AN. I've had enough upstream paddling lately. I've posted to Fclass talk page, if they respond positively, I'll follow up by investigating their history (likely with reference to your experience) and work from there. The block is indef not infinite, and I don't see a ban developing yet. Which is good, cause it's sleepy-time for me :) Franamax (talk) 09:20, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
- The troll who attacked Fclass very likely picked on him thinking it likely Fclass wouldn't be able to hold back. This is what trolls do, stir things up, hoping for highly emotional, time wasting reactions. Answering back to them hurts the project because it only gives them what they want and getting what they want, they come back for more, further disrupting things in never-ending loops of pithless gnashing of teeth. A new user who doesn't understand this and lashes back is one thing but Fclass, having been warned never to answer back with personal attacks, having promised many times never to make another personal attack, then feeding the troll anyway, is another. Gwen Gale (talk) 08:19, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
AfDs that went the wrong way, no. 34732
This one. What a time-waster the resulting article continues to be (see its talk page). -- Hoary (talk) 14:08, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
User:Wal0013
Hi Gwen Gale. I hope you are having a good day. I just wanted to bring this user to your attention because he/she has been doing some very destructive edits. This user Wal0013 did some really unconstructive edits on the article of Chris Tucker and some others I've seen by looking at his contributions.Mcelite (talk) 05:09, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
Itubot
Great, I create an alternate account as suggested by WP:BOT and you block it indefinitely within minutes without even letting me know. What gives? --Itub (talk) 16:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)