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'''John Quentin Davies''' (born [[29 May]] [[1944]]) is a [[United Kingdom|British]] [[Labour Party (UK)|Labour Party]] politician, and [[Member of Parliament#United Kingdom|Member of Parliament]] for [[Grantham and Stamford (UK Parliament constituency)|Grantham and Stamford]]. He defected from the [[Conservative Party (UK)|Conservative Party]] on [[26 June]] [[2007]]. Davies is currently a [[Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State]] at the [[Ministry of Defence (United Kingdom)|Ministry of Defence]].


==Early life and education==
Quentin Davies was born in [[Oxford]], the son of a [[Physician|doctor]] who had been in the [[Royal Air Force]] (RAF) in [[World War II]] (being stationed for a time at Grantham). He went to the local [[Preparatory school (UK)|preparatory]] [[Dragon School]], before attending the [[Quaker]] [[Leighton Park School]], [[Reading, Berkshire|Reading]]. He attended [[Gonville and Caius College, Cambridge]], where he was awarded a first class [[Bachelor of Arts]] degree in [[history]] in 1966 and was a [[Frank Knox Memorial Fellowships|Frank Knox Fellow]] at [[Harvard University]].


==Career==
==Question==
First you say it's "played without skates" and then you say "it may be played in shoes or in inline skates". Which is it? [[User:Daniel Barlow|Daniel Barlow]] 17:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
===Diplomat===
After his education, he joined the [[diplomatic service]] and was appointed [[Diplomatic rank|Third Secretary]] at the [[Foreign and Commonwealth Office]] in 1967, and became a Second Secretary at [[diplomatic mission|HM Embassy]] [[Moscow]] in 1969, before returning to London as one of several First Secretaries at the Foreign Office in 1972.


===Businessman===
== Road Hockey? ==
Davies left the diplomatic service in 1974 when he joined [[J. S. Morgan & Co.|Morgan Grenfell]]. In turn he was an assistant director, the president of the firm in [[France]] in 1978 and a director of the international company in 1981, in which capacity he remained until his election to [[Parliament of the United Kingdom|Parliament]] in 1987. He continued as a consultant to Morgan Grenfell until 1993.


In all the years I've played "street" hockey, I've never heard it referred to as Road Hockey. Maybe someone could change the title to Street hockey to make this article more fimilar. Thanks!
===Politician===
He contested the [[Birmingham Ladywood by-election, 1977|1977 Birmingham Ladywood by-election]] caused by the resignation of [[Brian Walden]] to become a [[television presenter]] but was defeated by [[John Sever]] who won the [[Birmingham Ladywood (UK Parliament constituency)|Birmingham Ladywood]] seat with a majority of 3,825. He was elected to the [[British House of Commons|House of Commons]] ten years later at the [[United Kingdom general election, 1987|1987 General Election]] for the safe Conservative seat of [[Stamford and Spalding (UK Parliament constituency)|Stamford and Spalding]] on the retirement of the sitting MP, [[Kenneth Lewis]]. Davies held the seat with a majority of 13,991 votes and has remained an MP since. The constituency was abolished in 1997, and he has since represented the redrawn seat of [[Grantham and Stamford (UK Parliament constituency)|Grantham and Stamford]].


In Parliament he was appointed as the [[Parliamentary Private Secretary]] (PPS) to the [[Minister of State]] at the [[Department of Education and Science (UK)|Department of Education and Science]] [[Angela Rumbold]] in 1988, and remained her PPS in her incarnation as the Minister at the [[Home Office]]. After the [[United Kingdom general election, 1992|1992 General Election]] he was a member of the [[Treasury Committee]] until he was promoted to the Opposition [[frontbencher|frontbench]] by [[William Hague]] in 1998 as a spokesman on [[Department of Social Security|social security]], moving in 1999 to speak on Treasury matters, moving again in 2000 as a spokesman on [[Ministry of Defence (United Kingdom)|defence]]. After the [[United Kingdom general election, 2001|2001 General Election]] he joined the [[Shadow Cabinet]] of [[Iain Duncan Smith]], even though he had backed [[Kenneth Clarke]]'s leadership bid. Under [[Iain Duncan Smith]], he became the [[Shadow Secretary of State for Northern Ireland]], continuing until the election of [[Michael Howard]] in 2003, since when he became a member of the [[International Development Committee]], a role that he continued with until he joined the Labour Party in 2007.


Davies is one of the highest paid MPs for his outside interests and has held many directorships and consultancies with several companies during his time in Parliament.<ref>[http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/quentin_davies/grantham_and_stamford TheyWorkForYou.com — Quentin Davies MP]</ref> He was awarded the 'Parliamentarian of the Year Award' by ''[[The Guardian]]'' in 1996, the same year he was named '[[Backbencher]] of the Year' by [[BBC Radio 4]]. Somewhat unusually, he is a [[Margaret Thatcher|Thatcherite]] [[Europhile]] and was the Chairman of the Conservative Group for Europe from March 2006 until his defection to Labour in June 2007. He was once fined for two charges of animal cruelty relating to sheep on his estate;<ref>[http://open.bbc.co.uk/catalogue/infax/programme/RNLN044W_A BBC news archive]</ref> following his conviction and the immediate dismissal of the shepherd who had been left in charge of the estate, he was greeted by Labour MPs with a retort of 'Baaa!' His estate is now rented to a local cattle farmer.


== Lifting Rule ==
====Move from Conservative Party to Labour Party====
Davies left the [[Conservative Party (UK)|the Conservative Party]] to join [[Labour Party (UK)|the Labour Party]] benches on [[26 June]] [[2007]], the night before [[Gordon Brown]] became [[Prime Minister of the United Kingdom]]. The defection was described by [[Lincolnshire]] County Council's Tory leader Martin Hill as an "act of treachery and betrayal".<ref name="BBC">{{cite news |url=http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6241928.stm |title=Conservative MP defects to Labour |publisher=[[BBC News]] |date=[[2007-06-26]]}}</ref> Davies made his decision public in a letter to the Conservative leader [[David Cameron]] in which he wrote, "Under your leadership the Conservative Party appears to me to have ceased collectively to believe in anything, or to stand for anything. It has no bedrock. It exists on shifting sands. A sense of mission has been replaced by a PR agenda."<ref name="BBC"/><ref>[http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=464511&in_page_id=1770&ct=5 ''Daily Mail'' story]</ref> Davies went on, "I am looking forward to joining another party...which has just acquired a leader I have always greatly admired, who I believe is entirely straightforward, and who has a towering record, and a clear vision for the future of our country which I fully share."<ref>[http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/quentin_davies/2007/06/why_i_am_defecting_to_labour.html ''Guardian''] website</ref> Two years prior to his defection, in a speech in the [[British House of Commons|House of Commons]] Davies described Gordon Brown in as "extraordinarily incompetent", "imprudent", "extraordinarily naïve" and said in conclusion "I trust and believe that something nasty will happen to the Chancellor in electoral terms before too long. He will have no one but himself to blame."<ref>[http://iaindale.blogspot.com/ Iain Dale's blog]</ref><ref>[http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200405/cmhansrd/vo050316/debtext/50316-18.htm House of Commons Hansard Debates]</ref> On [[5 October]] [[2008]], Davies was promoted to the government, becoming a [[Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State]] at the [[Ministry of Defence (United Kingdom)|Ministry of Defence]].


Usually the "right" to lift the ball/ puck is based on goalie equipement, if they have full sets of pads its allowed, when not using anything other than a glove, usually only light wrist shots and slow snapshots can be used
==Personal life==
He married Chantal Tamplin (daughter of Lt.Col Richard Tamplin) in 1983 at [http://www.irnham.org/pageID_3874565.html St Andrew's] church in [[Irnham]]; she is his Parliamentary Assistant and they have two sons (Alexander born May 1987 and Nicholas in August 1988). They live at Frampton Hall (built in 1725 by Coney Tunnard) in [[Frampton, Lincolnshire|Frampton]], in the borough of [[Boston (borough)|Boston]].


==See also==
*[[List of British Members of Parliament who crossed the floor]]


Ball hockey leagues usually will require gloves and helmuts
==Publications==
* ''Britain and Europe: A Conservative View'' by Quentin Davies, 1996, London Conservative Group for Europe.


==References==
== Flickered? ==
{{reflist}}


Shouldn't flickered be flicked? And its not always "accidental"
==External links==
* [http://politics.guardian.co.uk/person/0,9290,-1324,00.html Guardian Unlimited Politics — Ask Aristotle: Quentin Davies MP]
* [http://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/quentin_davies/grantham_and_stamford TheyWorkForYou.com — Quentin Davies MP]
* [http://politics.guardian.co.uk/person/parliamentrmi/0,,-1324,00.html Register of interests]
* [http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/mpdb/html/279.stm BBC Politics page]


==Recent Reversion and Reversal of Reversion==
===Video clips===
In response to your message on my [[User Talk:Jerry_lavoie|Talk Page]]:
::==False Editing==
::May you tell me why you edited my hockey contribution, which was factual, cited, and of interest? Give a reason before you pull crap like that. [[User:Tktech|- TkTech]] 01:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
The content I removed was:
::''By law, street hockey is illegal in Canada, and numerous charges have been laid. Not one has yet been convicted, most likely to the fact that as reported in [[CNN]] news reports, a poll showed 80% of all Canadian judges played the sport at one time. ''
The reason I removed it was that it seemed to me that it was not [http://www.merriam-webster.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=legitimate legitimate] content (I assumed it was [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|article vandalism]]). Perhaps I was wrong; thank-you for bringing that to my attention. Please understand, that I had only the best of intentions, however, and you might want to review [[WP:AGF|Wikipedia Policy 'assume good faith']], before leaving so [[Antagonism|antagonistic]] a message for another editor.


Suggestions for improvement of the content you added:
* [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygPNM3jsLt8 Quentin meets Labour supporters in Grantham, after joining the Labour Party]
* State whether it is a Provincial law or Federal law, whether a statute or regulation, and Cite the actual proper legal reference (usually a formatted numerical sequence, eg. '''1980-81-82-83, c. 111, Sch. I “1”'''.)
* Use the verbiage of the actual law, not "street hockey is illegal in Canada".
* The phrase '''numerous charges have been laid''' is not proper legal terminology. Cite a number or eschelon (eg. 'hundreds', or 'thousands',) and provide a reference to back it.
* '''Not one has yet been convicted''' is not proper grammar. Instead, perhaps, say "Nobody has yet been convicted" or "Not one of the charges has been upheld to conviction."
* '''most likely to the fact''' is an incomplete idea. You might have meant to start a new sentence here, like "The reason for this is most likely..." But even this is problematic, because without a citation to a verifiable source, this has the tone of being your [[WP:No original research|own research]], which is not allowed.
* You cited CNN, a poll they conducted, and the results of that poll. You should include a link to the archived article, the actual name of the poll, and the date it was conducted/ reported.
* the phrase "of all Canadian judges played the sport at one time" seems to indicate that 80% of the judges got together and played at the SAME TIME. I am sure you meant that each judge has previously played. If you use the actual verbiage of the CNN poll, you may find the best way to phrase this.


I suggest you look over my comments, and review the article. I will keep it in my watchlist, and if you can improve it within a week or so, I will leave it alone. If it does not significantly improve in this time, I may remove this content again. I have moved a copy of this dialogue to the article talk page, and encourage you to keep any and all further discussion about this article there so other editors interested in the article may be able to review and comment.
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[[User:Jerry lavoie|Jerry lavoie]] 05:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
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==Information for above issue==
[[sco:Quentin Davies]]
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2002/01/06/roadhockey020106.html
[[sv:Quentin Davies]]
Is an article that shows there IS a law against Road Hockey; it is against the law 'in several municipalities in the country'.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2002/01/07/street_hockey020107.html further states:
'Many towns and cities have bylaws against playing sports in the streets. Ontario's Highway Traffic Act makes game playing on all streets in the province illegal. But rarely are those laws enforced. In general, as long as players clear the road when a vehicle comes along, street hockey is tolerated.'


This should give you a jump on making the edits required to keep your content in the article.
[[User:Jerry lavoie|Jerry lavoie]] 05:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

: Thanks. I'm drafting it before I start editing, almost done it. [[User:Tktech|- TkTech]] 18:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
:: Do you have anything like this for the U.S or other countries? I'll add it in a chart if there is. [[User:Tktech|- TkTech]] 18:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
:::Check these out:
:::* "Ball or Hockey Playing Prohibited -- By-law 522-78." These signs are posted throughout North York (Toronto).
:::* City of Ottawa - BY-LAW NO. 2003 - 530; "PEDESTRIAN PROHIBITED ON ROADWAY 91. Except for the purpose of crossing a roadway, where there is a sidewalk that is reasonably passable on one side or on both sides of a roadway, no person shall walk on the roadway."
:::[[User:Jerry lavoie|Jerry lavoie]] 16:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

::::I removed the following from the article, in accordance with the understanding we had above:
::::::By law, street hockey is illegal in Canada, and numerous charges have been laid. Not one has yet been convicted, most likely to the fact that as reported in [[CNN]] news reports, a poll showed 80% of all Canadian judges played the sport at one time.{{Talkfact}}
[[User:Jerry lavoie|Jerry lavoie]] 01:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

==Do we need the slashes?==
There are a couple of times in this article where instead of simply saying "road hockey" or "street hockey", it says "street hockey/dek hockey/ball hockey" or "street/dek/ball hockey". Do we really need the slashes? Can't we just pick one? It says right at the beginning of the article that they are all names for the same thing, anyway. [[User:Bsroiaadn|Bsroiaadn]] 03:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== The photo displays the wrong thing ==
Those guys are wearing rollerblades. That's roller hockey, not road hockey. --[[User:70.52.80.189|70.52.80.189]] 13:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


==About the pictures...==
I don't thint the pictures are showing the wrong thing. It says in the article that street hockey can be played with or without skates. So, each picture is showing the tw different ways to play street hockey.(with or without skates) So, the picures are correct.
-[[User:everysubjectman]]

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Question

First you say it's "played without skates" and then you say "it may be played in shoes or in inline skates". Which is it? Daniel Barlow 17:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Road Hockey?

In all the years I've played "street" hockey, I've never heard it referred to as Road Hockey. Maybe someone could change the title to Street hockey to make this article more fimilar. Thanks!


Lifting Rule

Usually the "right" to lift the ball/ puck is based on goalie equipement, if they have full sets of pads its allowed, when not using anything other than a glove, usually only light wrist shots and slow snapshots can be used


Ball hockey leagues usually will require gloves and helmuts

Flickered?

Shouldn't flickered be flicked? And its not always "accidental"

Recent Reversion and Reversal of Reversion

In response to your message on my Talk Page:

==False Editing==
May you tell me why you edited my hockey contribution, which was factual, cited, and of interest? Give a reason before you pull crap like that. - TkTech 01:58, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

The content I removed was:

By law, street hockey is illegal in Canada, and numerous charges have been laid. Not one has yet been convicted, most likely to the fact that as reported in CNN news reports, a poll showed 80% of all Canadian judges played the sport at one time.

The reason I removed it was that it seemed to me that it was not legitimate content (I assumed it was article vandalism). Perhaps I was wrong; thank-you for bringing that to my attention. Please understand, that I had only the best of intentions, however, and you might want to review Wikipedia Policy 'assume good faith', before leaving so antagonistic a message for another editor.

Suggestions for improvement of the content you added:

  • State whether it is a Provincial law or Federal law, whether a statute or regulation, and Cite the actual proper legal reference (usually a formatted numerical sequence, eg. 1980-81-82-83, c. 111, Sch. I “1”.)
  • Use the verbiage of the actual law, not "street hockey is illegal in Canada".
  • The phrase numerous charges have been laid is not proper legal terminology. Cite a number or eschelon (eg. 'hundreds', or 'thousands',) and provide a reference to back it.
  • Not one has yet been convicted is not proper grammar. Instead, perhaps, say "Nobody has yet been convicted" or "Not one of the charges has been upheld to conviction."
  • most likely to the fact is an incomplete idea. You might have meant to start a new sentence here, like "The reason for this is most likely..." But even this is problematic, because without a citation to a verifiable source, this has the tone of being your own research, which is not allowed.
  • You cited CNN, a poll they conducted, and the results of that poll. You should include a link to the archived article, the actual name of the poll, and the date it was conducted/ reported.
  • the phrase "of all Canadian judges played the sport at one time" seems to indicate that 80% of the judges got together and played at the SAME TIME. I am sure you meant that each judge has previously played. If you use the actual verbiage of the CNN poll, you may find the best way to phrase this.

I suggest you look over my comments, and review the article. I will keep it in my watchlist, and if you can improve it within a week or so, I will leave it alone. If it does not significantly improve in this time, I may remove this content again. I have moved a copy of this dialogue to the article talk page, and encourage you to keep any and all further discussion about this article there so other editors interested in the article may be able to review and comment.

Jerry lavoie 05:21, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Information for above issue

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2002/01/06/roadhockey020106.html Is an article that shows there IS a law against Road Hockey; it is against the law 'in several municipalities in the country'.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2002/01/07/street_hockey020107.html further states: 'Many towns and cities have bylaws against playing sports in the streets. Ontario's Highway Traffic Act makes game playing on all streets in the province illegal. But rarely are those laws enforced. In general, as long as players clear the road when a vehicle comes along, street hockey is tolerated.'


This should give you a jump on making the edits required to keep your content in the article. Jerry lavoie 05:11, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm drafting it before I start editing, almost done it. - TkTech 18:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Do you have anything like this for the U.S or other countries? I'll add it in a chart if there is. - TkTech 18:03, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Check these out:
  • "Ball or Hockey Playing Prohibited -- By-law 522-78." These signs are posted throughout North York (Toronto).
  • City of Ottawa - BY-LAW NO. 2003 - 530; "PEDESTRIAN PROHIBITED ON ROADWAY 91. Except for the purpose of crossing a roadway, where there is a sidewalk that is reasonably passable on one side or on both sides of a roadway, no person shall walk on the roadway."
Jerry lavoie 16:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
I removed the following from the article, in accordance with the understanding we had above:
By law, street hockey is illegal in Canada, and numerous charges have been laid. Not one has yet been convicted, most likely to the fact that as reported in CNN news reports, a poll showed 80% of all Canadian judges played the sport at one time.[citation needed]

Jerry lavoie 01:37, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Do we need the slashes?

There are a couple of times in this article where instead of simply saying "road hockey" or "street hockey", it says "street hockey/dek hockey/ball hockey" or "street/dek/ball hockey". Do we really need the slashes? Can't we just pick one? It says right at the beginning of the article that they are all names for the same thing, anyway. Bsroiaadn 03:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The photo displays the wrong thing

Those guys are wearing rollerblades. That's roller hockey, not road hockey. --70.52.80.189 13:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)


About the pictures...

I don't thint the pictures are showing the wrong thing. It says in the article that street hockey can be played with or without skates. So, each picture is showing the tw different ways to play street hockey.(with or without skates) So, the picures are correct.

                                                             -User:everysubjectman